Child Molestation in America

[nancy1340]

Rather than to continue to hijack the Amish thread.
If anyone cares to get their head out of the sand and read the information, here it is.

I would venture to guess that most of the men here can't conceive of grown men really doing this to young girls and boys. Unless they have been themselves or had one of their children molested. But it happens all too often.

I may not be a expert and neither are you but I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do and not just by having it happen to me. I read.

The snide remark about me getting my information from CNN or whoever was a attack on me about something that I HOPE he knows nothing about one way or the "other". Or do you?

http://www.yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_child_molester.html
http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html
http://www.womenofsubstance.org/sexabuse.htm

[flatwater]

Nancy1340 , Stats are not very accurite ( nor is my spelling) But Idid run the sexual offenders unit as a corrections officer and found out that most offenders can molest up to 100 kids before they are caught. This holds true for the younger ones especially. Your numbers may be closer then others think. Most kids get threatened or are just to afraid to tell and others think it is their fault so they don't say anything. I can't prove this but it would be my guess that every family within two generations have at least one child who has been molested to some degree. Folks we live in a sick society and it's getting worse , but of course that has been written out in book form for a long time. (hint-starts with a B and ends with an ible ;D.
Flatwater

[otobesane1]

I would venture to guess that most of the men here can't conceive of grown men really doing this to young girls and boys. Unless they have been themselves or had one of their children molested.

Good decision to move the topic. I must take issue with your statement above. You may guess, but you do so without foundation or facts. My disagreement with your premise of being knowlegable about child abuse statistics has nothing to do with being unable to "conceive of grown men doing this to young girls and boys". It has strictly to do with the reliability of the statistics available and with the sheer magnitude of the swing in numbers depending upon the source.

Again, with respect, I have empathy for your past. However, I stand by my previous written statement. The numbers just don't add up for me. Perhaps you can point out any error in my logic.

After reading the URL's you provided, I found that only the first one contained information or statistics germaine to this particular discussion. The second URL was more of an advertisement for an ambulance chasing lawyer and the third concerned abused women.

If we may, consider rough estimates of 304,537,000 total people (estimated) in the US; 24.6% (7,491,610) of the total population is children under the age of 18; and that 25% (1,872,902) of these children is molested each year.

Yet, the figures given on the site state that a child is molested in the US every every 4 seconds. That would mean that there are 7,884,000 children molested every year. More than the entire population of children in the US. Granted, while the estimate of 1,872,902 molested children is deeply disturbing, how do you reconcile the difference? Let me clearly state that if even 1 child is molested, it is too many. I do not condone this behavior and think our laws should be much tougher.

Sorry if this looks like splitting hairs or minutia, but when one tries to win support or make a convincing argument, only hard facts get the job done.

TK

[nancy1340]

Sorry if this looks like splitting hairs or minutia, but when one tries to win support or make a convincing argument, only hard facts get the job done.

TK



Of which you have provided none.

[sethwyo]

I have known several men who wore faultsly accused of sex crimes, myself included. *One fella urinated in an ally behind a bar, was arested and now is a REGISTERED SEXUAL PREADATOR because of thet incident. *He is no preadator,
And i know some of the persons who make complaints arnt victims, Like the 16yer old who claimed RAPE when she turned up pregnant by her 17 yr old boy friend, because she was scaired of her parents. The six yer old who kissed a classmate and is now a regustered predator.
The numbers arent right. *We dont need any more laws. And thats a fact. *
My parents had spent some time in canada, thay told of a law there where a chid molester was tied to a post and beaten *every day and reminded of what she/he had done. that law is long gone but for a time canada reformed its child molesters.
grown persons who molest children have a problem with their emotional attractions. thay cannot bond with people their own age, These persons are not hard to spot, Thay are stupid, immature and think that thay know everything, think that thay can get away with anything, and are ignorant of the laws of cause and effect. Where i live their are a lot of a certain type of people who are quite ignorant and primitive, *But believe that thay are god almighty, Thay cannot work with a mature woman, with a mind of her own. Because she is smarter than thay are, and their up bringing wont allow them to accept this.
I have seen groups of them as thay watch children walk down the street, There is no doubt what will happen if there is an oppertunity. *This type of person must not be allowed, But with so many faulse claims, Who can tell who is really guilty?.

[msta999]

Rather than to continue to hijack the Amish thread.
If anyone cares to get their head out of the sand and read the information, here it is.

I would venture to guess that most of the men here can't conceive of grown men really doing this to young girls and boys. Unless they have been themselves or had one of their children molested. But it happens all too often.

I may not be a expert and neither are you but I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do and not just by having it happen to me. I read.

The snide remark about me getting my information from CNN or whoever was a attack on me about something that I HOPE he knows nothing about one way or the "other". Or do you?

http://www.yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_child_molester.html
http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html
http://www.womenofsubstance.org/sexabuse.htm

nancy,
I wasn't attacking you, it just sounded like you were greatly exaggerating. I had never heard of such a high number of molestation of women. After your "Rats Ass" remark, I went and did some looking myself. I did find some stats that said something similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

Still find it hard to believe though. With numbers like that, it must be real frequent in the cities.

When you first stated anything about this, it looked like it was just your opinion and we are free to respond to someones opinion with our own opinion, are we not? I see that was not the case, but at the time, that is what it looked like.

Glad to see, saying you watch CNN, gets you up set. I don't like the channel myself. ;D

[WileyCoyote]

Back in the 80's and 90's, I helped start a group (and ended up as President) called VOCAL - Victims of Child Abuse Laws.

We had actual statistics. 80% of all child abuse accusations are false. 86% of all social workers employed by the States either were, or claimed to have been, abused as children. They became social workers to reaffirm their own self-worth by "protecting others". What really happened was that they had savior god complexes and loved having a job where, no matter what, they were always right. We had textbooks from college courses required for degrees in social work that stated, "Parents are only caretakers of children for the State" and other socialist approaches to childraising.

How did I get involved in such a group? A principal spanked my oldest son at the age of seven, left bruises, and to protect himself called Social Services and said that was how my son had been sent to school. The social worker locked herself in a room alone with my son for four hours, without lunch, without water, without a bathroom break, until he "admitted" the abuse. She than came to our house with a cop to take our other two children. The cop refused, saying he could see no abuse - but they had my son. The ensuing accusations included sexual abuse accusations against me and my husband, pertaining to ALL of our children - the youngest six months old. We were the first people in the US to sue a Social Service Agency for false accusation of child abuse - and WIN.

So please do not try to use 'child abuse statistics' to back up claims. Statistics lie; and Welfare and Social Service workers lie to keep themselves employed and to use the claims of "Child abuse is up ___ per cent!" to keep the money for their illegal activities flowing.

Anyone can accuse anyone else of child abuse, and that is the ONLY 'legal' accusation that can go to court and be proven to be a lie - and the accuser suffers no repercussions for filing a false police report, etc. Whch means that if your neighbor doesn't like you, they can report you for child abuse - and waltz happily away, ruining your life, destorying your family, taking away your children, and even getting you fired from your job. As a rep for victims of false accusation, I helped over 150 families find attorneys, hide their kids, get media attention drawn to these illegal acts, and save themselves from prison.

Yes, some people are sexually abused. And my attitude is simply this - anyone who abuses an innocent should not go to prison, but should be shot and killed outright. In Terre Haute in the 1930's, my mother told us (she was there) a man raped a 13 year old girl... and the community strung him up by his armpits from an old oak tree, and then walked or drove past him shooting at him - with the first shot going to the father of the victim. I am cool with that!!

Child abuse is not about love or sex, it is about power, and is as disgusting as rape and should be punished the same. Abusers and rapists - real ones - do not stop and therefore should be permanently stopped. But falling for a socialist, feminist lie like 'almost half of all women have been/will be raped at some time in their lives' or ''at least 25% of all women were abused as children' only opens the door to having our rights and our freedoms further taken away from us.

If you have been raped, or were molested as a child, I am angry and sympathetic on your behalf, and believe that your abuser should be killed, and you should be allowed first shot. But please don't try to justify your anger or your pain by being angry for the wrong reason, or at the wrong people, or by generalizing your comments as applicable to all. That actually trivializes the importance that it happened to YOU and de-emphasizes that such evil acts should be punished more vehemenently.

BTW, I am a woman, married to a decent man, with two decent sons - and if I EVER found out that any of them had harmed a woman or a child, I would demand that I get second shot.*

[msta999]

I found this too, which is somewhat related. I guess it explains a few things.

Abstract In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u10022r778788010/

[WileyCoyote]

I believe that early physical violence can and does influence sexual attitudes and direction - i.e., fear and loathing of the molesting sex, or a prediliction towards perpetrating that same sort of power-play onto either children or same-sex partners. However, again, please bear in mind that many folk who seek counseling do not see clinical psychologists or psychiatrists, but "therapists" - and some states do not regulate the professionalism of these paraprofessionals. There was a serious scam in the 90's where "therapists" - particularly those whose patients were gay and/or female - utilized "dream therapy" to convince their patients that they had been sexually abused as children, which "explained" their problems. When you plant such an idea into the minds of vulnerable people, you end up with many false accusations as well. *

We unfortunately experienced this firsthand, as DH's gay sister called me one day (we hadn't spoken in years) to inform me that my husband had sexually abused her when she was five. After a family meeting, it was determined that she had accused everyone including her mother of sexual abuse and even of each other viewing the abuse! Since no one remembered these events, we sent SIL to a real psychologist - later it turned out that about 60% of the "therapist"'s patients "remembered" sexual abuse that had never happened. The damage and upheaval in those families' lives because of an untrained person's belief that all problems were the result of "hidden memory" early childhood sexual abuse was great. She was finally prosecuted civilly and lost her license to practice... a license that was not difficult to get in NC.

Again, I repeat - statistics lie. *Their results all depend on 1) who is asking the questions, and 2) who wants the answers, and 3) why those questions are being asked. *BTW, under REAL psychiatric counseling, SIL recanted her accusations and apologized to everyone - but not until after her accusations had caused some real suspicion and unwarranted anger in the family.

[otobesane1]

Of which you have provided none.

For pete's sake, I took the figures off of the URL YOU provided! Obviously this is not a subject that you can discuss with any objectivity. You come across as defensive and rude. (don't give a rat's ass) I'll just leave you to your wallowing in self pity.

The crimes against our children are real, horrible and life altering. Those who perpetrate those crimes deserve the harshest of sentences. However, those who make false accusations deserve harsh sentences as well. You can't unring that bell!

TK

[JakeLeg]

If we may, consider rough estimates of 304,537,000 total people (estimated) in the US; 24.6% (7,491,610) of the total population is children under the age of 18; and that 25% (1,872,902) of these children is molested each year.

Yet, the figures given on the site state that a child is molested in the US every every 4 seconds. That would mean that there are 7,884,000 children molested every year. More than the entire population of children in the US. Granted, while the estimate of 1,872,902 molested children is deeply disturbing, how do you reconcile the difference? Let me clearly state that if even 1 child is molested, it is too many. I do not condone this behavior and think our laws should be much tougher.




alright, while I want to post a real post about this, it'd take more time than i have at the moment, so i'll have to come back to it.

ONE MAJOR ERROR, though in the math above.

You missed a decimal. You are off by a factor of 10.

24.6% of 304,537,000 is 74,916,102, or 10 times what you said above (7,491,610)

Your figure of 7-million+ is actually 2.46%, not 24.6%. You probably multiplied by 0.0246 where you should have multiplied by 0.246.

I will get back to this topic later because I have a little input.

I just wanted to set the numbers straight first because the just weren't correct, and were used as 'facts' when they were only 1/10 of a fact.

[MooseToo]

one of the steps our society has taken to become progressive, civilized and compassionate that was actually a step backwards was removing such crimes from the capital punishment category -

[otobesane1]

When I make a mistake, it's a doozy! Sorry for the error. I look forward to your reply.

TK

[nancy1340]

I have known several men who wore faultsly accused of sex crimes, myself included. *


And for every one that is innocent there are dozens that are not and haven't been caught.

I am very sorry you were one of the innocent ones that was falsely accused. :'(

[sethwyo]

I dont know if i am sorry about it or not, I learned what people are really made of. *I was never officialy charged of found guilty of it. *But 'thay' made sure that every where i go i will be red flaged. *And ten years later there are still charges pending for numerous criminal accusations. One of the cops that had a lot of fun harrasing me was himself cought getting a 15yr old girl drunk, some of the items he had indicated that he was planning to rape her, *Nothing was ever done to him. * *Those women wore sadistic, thay enjoyed what thay did to me. Thay tore my life apart, and perverted every aspect of it. * my 'victims' would attack me in public
It really makes you feel dirty, *It made me scared of socializing with women.

[sethwyo]

[quote author=nancy1340 link=board=gen-general;num=1215812865;start=0#13 date=07/12/08 at 16:04:07]


"And for every one that is innocent there are dozens that are not and haven't been caught."

For every one hundred victims of faults accusation, *And about eighty % are faults, thear are at least *Twenty Four Hundred, * And possibily * Thirty Six Hundred * to Forty Eight Hundred * OR more *that are molesting and thay never get caught.
The time and resorses that it would take to find *out about all these *is Amazing. *That someone knows about Thousands and thousands of perverts, Who ARE molesting children, And isnt telling the police, Or the parents, And is keeping the evidence to themselves,
Is something that i cannot understand.

[nancy1340]

For pete's sake, I took the figures off of the URL YOU provided! *Obviously this is not a subject that you can discuss with any objectivity. *You come across as defensive and rude. (don't give a rat's ass) *I'll just leave you to your wallowing in self pity.

The crimes against our children are real, horrible and life altering. *Those who perpetrate those crimes deserve the harshest of sentences. *However, those who make false accusations deserve harsh sentences as well. *You can't unring that bell!

TK


This is why I was "rude".



[Quote] Come on Nancy! 25% of all girls in America are molested, by age 10!!!! I don't think so. Have you been watching CNN again.

There is a problem out there, but it is not any where near that high of a number. [Quote]

I think now he sees it a little differently. And I thank him for taking the time to read and try to understand.



And I can honestly say that there is not one man really knows me that I know thinks I "Wallow in selfpity". I like , really like, men too much for that to happen. I just want this not to happen to girls and boys that don't have the guts I have had.

I had a friend that was a shrink tell me it's a wonder you aren't a dike with everything that had happened to me as a child. I asked him if he thought I'd be any happier. He said "No". So I said I didn't think I'd change now then. ;)


But you know what? Any child that has that kind of a childhood has earned the right to wallow in selfpity if they damn well want to.

[nancy1340]

sethwyo, I am still sorry this happened to you. Not all women are that way. Just as not all men are molesters. I was very lucky in that I never got bitter or scared for myself. It's just the children that I worry about.

False accusations are a fear of mine too. I have heard of too many 14 year old girls crying rape when they got caught. No, the adult man should have walked away if he was being come on to by a underage girl but this crap "Oh but they were too young, you should have not done it" just doesn't always cut it. I am not saying they should get off Scott free but they shouldn't have to carry the scarlet letter the rest of their life for one offense.

[Drawbar]

Being a foster parent I stand a 9 out of 10 chance of being accused of some sort of abuse. Its just the nature of the beast. Most of these children need very set and definitive boundaries, and its not uncommon for them to try and cross them. When that happens, and a foster parent uses appropriate punishment, its not uncommon for foster children to try and pull the "abuse card again." I mean that's how they got moved from their first home why why not try it again.

Luckily the state here has a review board that understands this and has figured out a way to truly investigate the circumstance and find out if this "abuse" is a call for attention or not. Still it's scary knowing me and the wife have a 90% chance of being accused of being the total opposite of what we are...people trying to help unfortunate children.

[Drawbar]

But you know what? Any child that has that kind of a childhood has earned the right to wallow in selfpity if they damn well want to.

I don't agree and I don't think many child phycologists would agree either. Self-pity is damaging to a person's self esteem and feelings of overall worth, beyond that Nancy you are allowing the person that hurt you to do it over, and over and over again even if they are no longer living. The cycle must stop at some point and only YOU can do that.

Its not about "getting over it", as that is an expression that is cliche and meaningless, its about stop living in the past. A person only has one life on this planet and only one chance to do something good, I don't see self-pity in this area as doing any of that.

My father saw unspeakable horrors in Vietnam, and yet when he came home he does not dwell on it. It certainly was not fair that he got drafted instead of some of his neighbors, but he does not let that self-pity get to him. Instead he took his medic training, volunteered for the local ambulance and has saved some lives. He did good DESPITE the horrors of Vietnam, and you can as well.

Have you ever considered being a foster parent? The demand is huge, the rewards even bigger though its a tough job? Myself I am not saving the world but I can assure you there is one kid in this country that will not get abused tonight. I get to say that every night, and there is true peace in knowing that.

[Drawbar]

one of the steps our society has taken to become progressive, civilized and compassionate that was actually a step backwards was removing such crimes from the capital punishment category -

I agree. It's just another example of judges gone amuck. You get a little upset at judges when they take 5 minutes to look at a foster child's paperwork and then send them back to their birth parents who abused them in the first place.

As for the death penalty for child rapers...my adopted sister was raped at 15 MONTHS by her real dad? Does anyone on here really, truly believe that there is a cure for something that disgusting? Does anyone really believe this man has the right to be inhaling oxygen?

I will give everyone fair warning, I only have one biological daughter, but if ANYONE rapes her, you can rest assured that the death penalty will be carried out. I don't really care what the Supreme Court says...they are wrong.

[MNMOM]

I have a friend that her father molested her when she was a little girl, and it still hurts her today as the day it happened.

These people are monster's.

I have nothing but contempt for people that drum up charges of molestation against innocent people, they are nothing but slime.

A guy that I know was telling me about his ex wife, she was quite a drinker and she accused his parent's of sexual abuse, luckily the authorities saw through this, but that usually isn't the case and people have to spend a fortune defending themselves, plus there will always be people that will believe it, so that is something else that they have to live with.

I will say that child molestation seems to be an epidemic anymore, and if ever one came near my grandchildren, you can bet that I wouldn't wait for the authorities to do something if I have my way.

[mom]

Child Molestation is something I just can't wrap my brain around. About 5 years ago 2 boys here were found guilty of molesting their little sister. She was diagnosed with a STD - BUT neither of the boys, who had confessed had the disease. They never served a day in jail although one was 17 and the other 20. Several years before that I had heard rumors that the parents passed the little girl around to other people in exchange for whatever. I dismissed it althogether at the time.

Long story short - I felt guilty. This is a town of 700 people. How could I/we as a town not know this was happening to this precious little girl. How had we missed this? Why hadn't we done anything to save her.

The worst thing is that the grandparents of this child and her sick brothers lives right behind me and they are in and out of tht hours almost daily. I suspect that they were the ones in my yard and in my house but I may never prove it. AND WHY ARE THEY STILL WALKING AROUND WITHOUT SERVING ONE DAY IN JAIL. Our judicial system sucks.

[nancy1340]

Your right Drawbar. What's a little poke now and then?
Just get over it.

Either you didn't take the time to read my post or you have a comprehension problem. I'm doing fine now. Just because you "get over it" doesn't mean you forget it. My fear is not for me it's for children today and tomorrow.


My half brother knows what would happen to him if he ever showed up at my door. And it would not be me inviting him for milk and cookies.

[msta999]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

Still find it hard to believe though. With numbers like that, it must be real frequent in the cities.



I still have trouble with this, this means 25% of American men are child molesters..........I just think the stats are off on this one. I am not down playing the problem, just can't believe they are that high. 1 out of 4 women were molested? 1 out of 4 men are child molesters? If this is so, then we need to start giving the death penalty for this crime, should have been giving it anyway. And I'm not talking of the 18 year old dating the 15 year old. One thing I have learned about stats, is they tend to be "stretched" or "shrunk" by the media to attain what they, the media, want.

Here is some more info on this subject.

How Many Children Are Sexually Abused?

Three million children! I don't believe it. How can you possibly know that there are exactly three million child victims?" As you begin to tell others the facts, this is the first question they may ask you. The answer: Of course, we don't know exactly.

Children seldom tell. Those millions of children are a secret. They are the secret in family after family after family. Even adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse seldom tell. What we do know from studies of adult men and women is that the number is at least three million. At least three million children are molested before they finish their 13th year.

http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/tell_others_the_facts.html

[Dobelo17]

I agree it is hard to beleif how many child molesters there are around. In THe small town where I live there are at
least 19 sexual preditors listed on the watch dog web site.
I was not even aware of this until they released another
sex offender last year. The police came to all the business
handing out flyers and telling everyone to watch out for this
peice of crap. THey have released 3 more into our town since then. THey always put them by the schools or the
Library. Supposedly there will be more people watching them in a more high traffic area. One got sent back to jail
becasue he raped someone else while out on parole. I think he was out for a whole 3 months before he reoffended.
So Iam not sure of the numbers nation wide but we have a
whole crap load in our town of only 3000 people. One of the biggest problems are relatives of this losers. Oh my little
pumkin wouldn't do that. We have a guy in jail right now that was caught soliciting a 14 yr old boy to meet at the park so they could go have sex somewhere. Except it was a police officer and he is now in jail. This is the park right next to the Library that all the kids go to. His mother was at the Post Office mailing something to him and was bawling up a storm he poor son. Was she sad for him or herself.
Was it the fact he was a peice of crap and needs to be shot or the fact that she was humilated? I think half the time it is the later and so everything these freaks do is kept quiet since it might look bad for the relatives. I know in my family it is the later. My mom still denies that my nephew went to jail twice for molesting a child once and molesting a girl with the mind of a child. ALways someone elses fault because
poor little pumpkin never did that. THey called my house when my son was 3 yrs old and told me never to let my nephew near my son because he would harm him. You only have to tell me that once. ALl the rest of my relatives are still making excuses for him. My mother even moved the peice of crap to the town where I live and exspects me to still take care of her. I finally told her if I ever see that SOB
near my house I will shoot him like a dog. I would do the time rather do the time then ever have him near my children.
I watched him one day and it is like watching and animal sizing up some prey they want to eat. He was looking at my son who was 3 at the time and ran him down with a
bicycle. So I think that they should be shot just like a sick animal. Sorry to ramlbe but I get totaly disgusted when on this subject becasue I am on the side with a molester in
my family and realtives to self centered and stupid to admit he should be in prison some where.

Becky

[WileyCoyote]

Ditto, Becky.

My brother was arrested by the FBI for porn on the Internet - he was molesting teenage girls that he picked up at his job as a movie house projectionist, and putting pictures of them on the Internet, as well as pics of him and his stepdaughter. The molestations happened in his house with his wife in another room. My mother came to my house when he was arrested and demanded that I give her the $3000 to bail him out!! I refused - so my stepfather came up with the money and they took him into their home to await trial. While there he attempted to molest a neighbor's teen; my stepfather caught him and threw him out and he went to jail to await trial. When convicted, he went to federal prison, then when he got out he returned to his wife's home, she took him back and told her (then adult) daughter to leave!!!! I told both her and him - ever step foot in my town, much less my yard, and I shoot to kill.

What pissed me off was that I had reported him to Social Services and the police several times and they had done NOTHING until he started posting those videos on the Internet. They will go after innocents that they think they can convict, but won't touch someone who is guilty. Part of the problem is that these predators are con artists of the highest order, and can schmooze their way out of anything. And their own families protect them! His wife told me that her preacher had told her that she had to take him back; that it would be unChristian for her not to forgive him and give him another chance. Chance to do WHAT? Our society is SICK if it protects these predators and allows them to live and go after more victims!!!

And no I doubt even Federal prison stopped him. After he got out, he was still the same shiftless, smarmy, manipulative SOB he always was. My mother moved in with him and his wife - and I stopped speaking to any of them. When mother died, he had her cremated and didn't even pick the ashes up from the funeral home. (I found THAT out from the funeral director.) He took her money and her possessions and sold everything. What goes around... I only hope that he gets what he deserves - a slow painful agonizing death. And if that is "unChristian" - too da**ed bad. Abusers and the people who protect them - including family and cops and social workers and preachers - should all rotinhell.

[otobesane1]

WileyCoyote said it perfectly. *Nothing to add or change.

TK

[nancy1340]

I1 out of 4 men are child molesters?
Here is some more info on this subject.
How Many Children Are Sexually Abused?
Three million children! I don't believe it. How can you possibly know that there are exactly three million child victims?" As you begin to tell others the facts, this is the first question they may ask you. The answer: Of course, we don't know exactly.
Children seldom tell. Those millions of children are a secret. They are the secret in family after family after family. Even adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse seldom tell. What we do know from studies of adult men and women is that the number is at least three million. At least three million children are molested before they finish their 13th year.
http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/tell_others_the_facts.html


I marvel at your naivete . But it's not 1 in 4 men that molest. Men molest multiplue times.


One man = many chidren.


[Name-calling removed by admin]

[sethwyo]

Reguarding MSTA999 *last post.
It is NOT TRUE. The numbers of victims of big bad men*i mean. It has been pointed out here that about 80% of all molestation accusations are FAULTS, NOT TRUE.
It has also been claimed that for every one that is faultsly accused their are dozens who are molesting and never get caught, That is IMPOSIBLE. besides, if thay never got caught then no one would know that thay wore doing it. *Its not the media, its the MAN-HATERS. *There are molesters, well, DUH.
Has anyone here claimed that there are not?
Molestation does not only mean sexual violation, And there are women that do molest children, sexual and otherwise. *And thay like to molest men, and sometimes even other women. The word RAPO, go look it up, Two or more women trapping a man, accusing a him of violation. Its historical. How many *more women are there faultsly accusing men of rape and molestion than there are men commiting rape and molestation?

[flatwater]

There does seem to be a little double standard me thinkest. When women have sex with an underage male The thinking seems to be lucky kid. But it is still rape and or molistation of an underage child. Not so many of those ever get reported. So you add that up with the male sickos and what do you get?--Even higher numbers.
Flatwater

[Cil]

There does seem to be a little double standard me thinkest. When women have sex with an underage male The thinking seems to be lucky kid. But it is still rape and or molistation of an underage child. Not so many of those ever get reported. So you add that up with the male sickos and what do you get?--Even higher numbers.
Flatwater


And as a woman, it pisses me off to no end that female molestors seem to get away with it. But lately, I've seen from the news that more and more of them are getting punished like the men. IT'S ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME!

[msta999]

Like I said before, I think the numbers are too high. If you read the last stats I put up there, they are saying 3 mil out of 330 mil Americans, and acknowledge that that is an estimate. Know one knows the true number, with that said, I guess it could be higher, but I don't think so (my opinion), if it was so high, you would hear of more dads killing molesters, and that is very rare.

[Cil]

Like I said before, I think the numbers are too high. If you read the last stats I put up there, they are saying 3 mil out of 330 mil Americans, and acknowledge that that is an estimate. Know one knows the true number, with that said, I guess it could be higher, but I don't think so (my opinion), if it was so high, you would hear of more dads killing molesters, and that is very rare.

One is one too many in my book.

[nancy1340]

Like I said before, I think the numbers are too high. If you read the last stats I put up there, they are saying 3 mil out of 330 mil Americans, and acknowledge that that is an estimate. Know one knows the true number, with that said, I guess it could be higher, but I don't think so (my opinion), if it was so high, you would hear of more dads killing molesters, and that is very rare.

Well it's going to be real interesting what you have to say when you find out someone in your family has been molested. And there have been one or two. Maybe not your children or your sisters, but here has been someone.

3 in 330? Your either a very naive man, inappropriate name-calling and accusation removed by admin. And it's "No one, not know one". If you can't spell how do you think you can comprehend the written word? I am really hoping your just naive.

There was another report a few years ago that said molesters didn't' think the numbers were correct either. They didn't think there were a lot of others like themselves. They thought they were unique. Too bad they weren't eunuch.

[msta999]

I marvel at your stupidity. But it's not 1 in 4 men that molest. Men molest multiplue times.


One man = many chidren.

It is not "stupidity", I was mocking you. You sound so dam rude. Yes I know, you don't give a "Rats Ass"! and that’s find, just I thought this was a discussion board not an insult board......but what ever.

One thing I have learned it molestation means more than what I had thought it meant. I had originally thought it was the sexual act, now I know it's also through in any touching that could be interpretative as a sexual touch. So I learned something new.

Child molestation can include

* Fondling or touching

* "Flashing" or exposing adult genitals to a child

* Showing sexually explicit material to a child

* So called "normal" sexual activity such as vaginal or anal intercourse or oral stimulation of the genitals

* So called "deviant" sexual activity such as urination, defecation, sadomasochism, or bondage

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1502

So there is more than one way to molest a child. This changes the picture. In the beginning I thought you were saying 25 percent of women were raped as children. I now see the term in not used that narrow.

[msta999]

Well it's going to be real interesting what you have to say when you find out someone in your family has been molested. And there have been one or two. Maybe not your children or your sisters, but here has been someone.
I must have said something that hurt some one, that wasn't my intent.


3 in 330? Your either a very naive man, inappropriate name-calling and accusation removed by admin. And it's "No one, not know one". If you can't spell how do you think you can comprehend the written word? I am really hoping your just naive.
Those were numbers I found when searching for info on this. I didn't make them up. The link is posted. Contrary to your belief, not everyone in the world has been molested.......................................... .................................................. .......................................You just called me a molester!?.

There was another report a few years ago that said molesters didn't' think the numbers were correct either. They didn't think there were a lot of others like themselves. They thought they were unique. Too bad they weren't eunuch.[/quote]

[Dobelo17]

I agree 100 % Wiley.

Becky

[jott]

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I think it is time everyone takes a short break on this one. I think there are no good statistics on this topic, and there is no way to collect good statistics on the topic. We all know that there are way too many children being victimized, and there are way too many innocent people being wrongly accused. If there was an easy answer I’m sure the problem would be fixed by now.

I’m not saying we should not talk about it but we need to remember there are people personally involved and yelling and name calling will not help.

I hate to see several people whose posts I normally read with great interest, be nasty to each other. Maybe take a day or so off before continuing this topic if you feel you have more to be said.

[WileyCoyote]

There is a fascinating book that summarizes it all - don't know if it is still in print - called "The Child Abuse Industry". It was written in the 80's, when false accusations became virulent, and had many references to facts about child abuse prosecution, accusation, and the stated goals of those who profited from children's misery.

The most important thing is not the statistics and numbers, which are of course skewed by a number of factors. The important thing to remember here is that children are being injured and the government, instead of protecting them by ensuring that the abusers are not excused and turned loose over and over again, made laws that encouraged the abusers to weasel out of their responsibilities, made criminals out of innocent people, and made 'child abuse' a profit-making, ongoing and self-promulgating industry instead of a violent crime with swift and permanent repercussions. The evil and reprehensible crime of child abuse was taken out of the criminal courts, where facts proved guilt and punishment was certain, and put in 'family court' where it was used to emotionally promote the State's socialization of our children.

[sam12six]

I totally agree Wiley.

While I agree that one kid abused is too many, the biggest problem is that is not treating a crime as a crime, but creating a bureaucratic monster that needs to be fed.

When you have a huge industry whose livelihood and funding increases depend not on stopping real abuse, but rather lowering the standards of what constitutes abuse so there are more cases that 'need administration', then your real offenders get a slap on the wrist compared to what they deserve since there would be too much of an uproar if it worked the other way and the innocents got what justice says the crimes of the guilty have earned them.

It's no different from the DUI industry. Long ago, police cruised the streets and looked for someone whose driving seemed to be impaired. Now, the standards have been lowered to the extent that you can get convicted for a single beer (unless you take the blood test that they won't tell you you have a right to). Because of this, instead of cruising the streets, the police simply set up shop near bars and pull over everyone who's driving alone. I know, I know, if you jump the curb and take out a sidewalk cafe you'll still get pulled over, but there are at least 2 stretches of road that I've had cop friends tell me if you drive down alone between the hours of midnight and four, you'll automatically get pulled over.

Just like abusing someone, driving drunk is a bad thing, but the laws (and the agencies that benefit from them) have missed the boat by striving for volume, volume, volume in their approach rather than real investigation and decisive sentencing.

As for stats, I haven't trusted them since I read the old classic '1 in 4 college women are raped each year'. Now this means getting a bachelors degree is an automatic ticket to being raped for a woman since it generally takes 4 years to get one. Or alternately, a chance to get raped 4 times for one out of four women.

I look at that stat and think what if it were a much less emotional and damaging crime than rape? Let's say it's being punched in the nose. Now let's say that 25% of all the people who walk through a mall get punched in the nose - can you imagine the security at malls? You wouldn't be able to walk 10 feet without bumping into a security guard. There would be laws stating that nobody is allowed to walk alone through a mall.

Now, let's ramp the severity of the crime back up to rape, RAPE!! If the stat were accurate, there would be no parties on campus, you wouldn't be able to be alone with anyone, ever... but that's not the case. I've had sex in classrooms late at night many times and never got interrupted by security ( I know I'm weird, but there was a thrill to doing it on the big table at the front of an auditorium).

Obviously, to anyone who's been molested as a child or raped it's easy to accept the stats. It's also easy to be bitter at anyone who doesn't accept the stats. But, regardless of how much sympathy and anger people have on your behalf due to your experiences, the fact that this happened to 100% of victims doesn't mean 25% of everybody are victims.

There is a fascinating book that summarizes it all - don't know if it is still in print - called "The Child Abuse Industry". *It was written in the 80's, when false accusations became virulent, and had many references to facts about child abuse prosecution, accusation, and the stated goals of those who profited from children's misery.

The most important thing is not the statistics and numbers, which are of course skewed by a number of factors. The important thing to remember here is that children are being injured and the government, instead of protecting them by ensuring that the abusers are not excused and turned loose over and over again, made laws that encouraged the abusers to weasel out of their responsibilities, made criminals out of innocent people, and made 'child abuse' a profit-making, ongoing and self-promulgating industry instead of a violent crime with swift and permanent repercussions. *The evil and reprehensible crime of child abuse was taken out of the criminal courts, where facts proved guilt and punishment was certain, and put in 'family court' where it was used to emotionally promote the State's socialization of our children. *

[Drawbar]

What goes around... I only hope that he gets what he deserves - a slow painful agonizing death. And if that is "unChristian" - too da**ed bad. Abusers and the people who protect them - including family and cops and social workers and preachers - should all rotinhell.

As I said before, there is nothing Unchristian about that. When it comes to Farm, Family and Friends there are no laws. An eye for an eye...

As for these sickos...I hope I am behind one come Judgement Day just to see what they get. Keep in mind the big guy who is handing out these final days of judgment told the disciples to remain quite when they shoed the little children away from Jesus. He said "come unto me." Someone who loves children as much as the rest of us, is not going to let these scum off easy.

As for my best friend. he is an attorney but him and his wife can just not physically have their own children. He told his law firm that he will not take child custody cases and evictions because he gets upset by these people who should not breed and are working the system over and need lawyers to help them do that. Good for him. A lawyer with ethics. I am proud to be a friend of ONE anyway :)

[walls0stone]

I find myself forced to sit across from one such sick-o. The subject came up and I informed him that... I hoped I'd never be forced to deal with that and my little girl... but if anyone were to to harm my girl, I have a brush chipper, and a bag of lime.

I'm not talking some little ol DR toy eather.. you could drop a goat in this thing. He almost s*** his pants. In another case some one made a rude remark of a sexual nature as to my child (she's 3) I had a stone hammer in my hand at the time...drew it up half and inch off his nose and said...no she won't. ran like a rabbit.

[TNDadx4]

In another case some one made a rude remark of a sexual nature as to my child (she's 3) I had a stone hammer in my hand at the time...drew it up half and inch off his nose and said...no she won't. ran like a rabbit.

I had a guy that I worked with once say something similar. He stopped by my house with his wife and saw my 5 month old daughter sucking on her pacifier and made the comment. "Oh, she's practicing for later in life." It sickened me and we asked them to leave. I soon left that job, thank God.

I can't stand any sexual references made about children.

[walls0stone]

Based on the quote bellow your pic, I'm guessing you have the same Mountaineer Mentality I was raised with.

[HockeyFan]

I had a guy that I worked with once say something similar. He stopped by my house with his wife and saw my 5 month old daughter sucking on her pacifier and made the comment. "Oh, she's practicing for later in life." It sickened me and we asked them to leave. I soon left that job, thank God.

I can't stand any sexual references made about children.

I'd likely have ended up in jail, but I probably would've beaten the crap out of him right then and there.

Interesting thing would've been him going to court to testify against me, and having to explain in a public forum about what started the beating. Maybe I wouldn't really go to jail after all.

[TNDadx4]

walls0stone - Definitely. I love the mountains (no matter where they are) and the ethic and freedom that go along with that lifestyle.

HockeyFan - I don't think that jail time would be involved at all. It would seem that his statements would justify it. The funny thing is neither he nor his wife thought that it was inappropriate. Sheesh...

[nancy1340]

I find myself forced to sit across from one such sick-o. The subject came up and I informed him that... I hoped I'd never be forced to deal with that and my little girl... but if anyone were to to harm my girl, I have a brush chipper, and a bag of lime.
I'm not talking some little ol DR toy eather.. you could drop a goat in this thing. He almost s*** his pants. In another case some one made a rude remark of a sexual nature as to my child (she's 3) I had a stone hammer in my hand at the time...drew it up half and inch off his nose and said...no she won't. ran like a rabbit.

Good for you!!! Too many men and women are afraid to say anything to these monsters.

Big Brother says I need to apologize to 999, so I do.

[admin]

nancy1340 apparently has decided to leave the Forum rather than make a proper apology for accusing msta999 of being a child molester which caused him to leave soon after she first posted it.

This Forum allows members wide latitude in their conversations, but accusing someone of a despicable crime, whether done seriously, as an emotional response, or for any other reason simply cannot be tolerated.

nancy1340 was a long-time member here, and we are sorry to see her leave, but such was her decision.

I thought some folks might want to know what happened.


Oliver

[WileyCoyote]

Thank you, Oliver.