Land and Your "Field of Dreams"

[WileyCoyote]

OK, some of you already have your land and are working on it, and some of us are still looking.

If you already have your land and are working it, what do you like about your location? what don't you like? How much land is enough? How much is too much to care for?

If you don't already have your land, what are you looking for?

What sort of climate, terrain, size of property, nearby amenities?

No, I'm not a real estate agent!

I'm asking because we don't have our land yet, and I have been looking at literally hundreds of sites, pictures, and descriptions for the last six months. We want snow and cold, along with a reasonable growing season and soil; although I do want another greenhouse. We want enough acreage to raise horses and some cattle so that they can have several different pastures, but not so much that we can't care for it.

We have been looking at everything from the huge haymows and barns to pole barns and quonset huts. Why the differences? Is there a reason the big old-fashioned barns are being replaced with quonsets rather than being kept up (other than price)? We want a fireplace - but many houses even in ND and SD don't have those; anyone know why?

Prices vary greatly in land costs; one wunnerful place we were excited about (30 acres with a 5 BR house, fireplaces, basement, several barns and outbuildings) has gradually dropped $30,000 in the past six months, while others with fewer acres and amenities have stayed at the same ridiculous prices... Is there any rhyme or reason that anyone knows about affecting rural properties?

I'm just wondering if anyone out there is having the same sort of problems we are in finding 'the right spot', and if anyone has any ideas - or can promote any particular area as being better than another. Remember, I'm asking for opinions, so some folks will be prejudiced in favor of their areas, and I know that! LOL

[Steve_L]

30 Acres with a house for $30,000? Or do you mean $300,000? If it's 30k$, what's wrong with it, or am I looking at overpriced places? How did you find all these thousands of places?

I am totally lost! You know much more about looking for a place than I do, care to share your technique?

[WileyCoyote]

No, no no... you misread... the price of the property has gone down $30,000 in the past six months; from $149,900 to $119,900. Still a heck of a deal no matter what... but my question would be WHY? While the pricing and selling of housing has fallen thru the floor recently, why would they have the price of the house/land marked so high if it truly was only worth $119,000?

I look everywhere; on real estate websites, foreclosure websites (I expect those to expand geometrically in the next few months), all within our particular area - ID, WY, MT, CO, ND, SD, even recently Wisconsin. We look at www.LandsofAmerica.com as well as other websites - some good and well-kept-up; others really poor and of little value or help (no pics, bad descriptions, poor writing, "sold" properties kept on the listings for three months, etc).

We like and want snow and cold, are avid outdoor people, and are tired of the Southern heat that has been killing off our plants and critters with alacrity. Besides, if global warming continues (hack coff ptui) ::) then the south will become a desert and the North will become a Garden of Eden! ;)

[Steve_L]

Thanks for pointing out my poor reading ability. I guess it was either wishful thinking on my part, or weak eyes. :o It's still a deal at the price but $30,000 is a lot to have come down by!

[WileyCoyote]

Yeah, I had to re-read my post too... LOL 30 acres for $30,000 with a house and outbuildings - my shirttail wouldn't have hit my backside before I bought that one! Grin.
But what do YOU have - or, what do you want to have?

[longshot]

ahhh the dream.

ten acres, a minium. *mostly pasture/hay gardens, and room for a garden, workshop barns, chicken coop, orchard instead of lawn, * room for a cow or two a horse and maybe a couple sheep- keep everything on community pasture for the sommer and cull to minimun to reduce the load over the winter. a 1200 square foot house and privacy.


ahh
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[BIGGKIDD]

Hi Guy's

You might try

http://www.unitedcountry.com/?SID=45725313

That's where I found the land we are getting ready to offer on. They seem to have good pictures and adds. Good luck with your search. I am hoping you find what you want.


You asked what different people were looking for. Good schools for our girls. We wanted privacy, space 20ac or more, creek, timber, rolling but not sharp hills. Oh and it had to be a rifle county for hunting. One other thing I wanted to stay with in an hours drive of somewhere to take our boat. If some one will tell me how I can post some pics of the land / creek. I wont sleep again until we get an answer. Well I wont sleep good. ;)

Larry

[ol_hoot]

Pics ain't hard to put on here Biggkid

First, you have to have the picture hosted somewhere (I use photobucket.com)
Your ISP may host pics for you
Put them somewhere and then use the HTML code or the IMG code (whichever works) from the hosting site that they will provide you with

After you get all that lined out come back to BWH, hit the reply button and a screen will come up with a place for your message
Right above the smileys there is some "add BB tags"
On the bottom line of them the second one is for "insert image"
Click it and then insert (copy & paste) the HTML code (or IMG code) and then preview before posting to make sure it shows up.
I usually have a little trouble but eventually get it done

At least that's how I does it

[BIGGKIDD]

Thanks ol_hoot

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/biggkidds/006-1.jpg

As you can see there was a resident on the property when I got down to the creek!!!~

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/biggkidds/008-2.jpg

A nother shot of the creek. Can you tell that my favorite spot.

Here are 2 of some of the land.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/biggkidds/003-2.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/biggkidds/012.jpg

The second one is the "road" in the front of the property. Its completely wooded. With that big creek is the back line right in the middle. And the front line is in the middle of the "road" on the sides one is basically strait and the other is like a sideways *W. OFF grid since no one wants to give an easement for utilities and if they did we couldn't hack what it would cost to bring power 2.5 miles.

I hope its ok I posted this here. Let me know what you think of my dream property.

We are putting a bid in on it tomorrow.

Thanks for looking
Larry

[jen_in_southtexas]

That sure is pretty BIGGKID. I hope ya'll get it. Good luck.

-j

[Txanne]

That would translate to millons here.


oaks and water ----a highly prized commodity.


Txanne

[WileyCoyote]

Well, what I want is something a little less wooded, clearing is hard work for old farts; altho yer pics of the property are nice, BIGGKIDD!

What is griping me is the online realtors. OK, I want nothing smaller than 10 acres, I want a preferably older farmhouse with at least three BR and two baths, and a fireplace or two is optimum. I want outbuildings that will support at least four horses, four cattle, and chickens, as well as our workspace (he does metal, wood, and fiberglas, I do pottery). We not only want to house any equipment but room for a buckboard and a sleigh, with all of the accompanying tack. I want room for a garden (at least an acre) because I am an avid gardener; a greenhouse or room for one would be perfect. Rolling property without a lot of rock features. Mountains would be OK, as long as my animals wouldn't have to have shorter legs on one side to stand, and I can plow without filling the bin on the tractor every three feet with rocks! Available groundwater (preferably uncorruptible) for both the house and the animals, and a septic that perks.

But what irritates me about some realtors is that they have no idea how to go on the internet and post. They throw up a couple of dark pictures so that you really can't see anything, show off thousands of kitchen cabinets (who cares? If I don't like them, he'll build them or I'll paint them!) and don't provide any hard information about the property until you weed thru all of their flowery crap.Some even think that only one of their crappy pictures is all they need to post; no description, nothing (I bet they think that having a webpage is a waste of time - and for those types, it is!) Some won't tell you how big the property is - you have to figure it out by the pictures or "codes" like "country living - your nearest neighbor is two acres away". Some you have to search thru literally thousands of crappy pics - because they don't have a decent category listing (the least they could do is list it by the zoning (or lack thereof) on the property, but nooooo); a way to separate residential from acreage with residential, a way to separate out pricing (I really don't want to look thru 6 pages of multimillion dollar homes, TYVM!) or a simple, easy list of the amenities on the property. Many do not even understand that folks are not all looking for the same thing. A gas stove and a pellet stove are not the same things as a woodburning fireplace. Pavement and 10 minute accessibility to the nearest town and/or interstate turns me off, not on.

When we do finally buy, I will not use any of those realtors who cannot take enough interest in the property that they represent by showing more than a few pictures and effusing - "Great Buy! Just what you're looking for!" Shaddup already and tell me what I need to know to make an informed decision.

OK - rant over!
;D

[bookwormom]

Realtors know exactly what they are doing. Down the road from us lived a somewhat simple minded family in a small house on seven acres. that's just what they are, no offence meant.
well, the son sold the place out from underneath his old mother to the local realtor for 4000 bucks (fourthousand). The guy advertises in all kinds of back to the land magazines, you may have seen his ads. a month later I saw the place advertised as the bargain of the month for 21ooo.
My experience is that they lie through their eyeteeth and try to pull the wool over your eyes.. Walter's place is for sale now (again) and folks we know looked at it. first of all, the realtor took them to the place in a way roundabout way (took the scenic route) to give the impression you are really out in the country and it is just what you want. He told them water was available, and I just know it is not. the man who knew his way around asked, why are you taking us this detour, why aren't we going up by the normal road. (you go through cracktown and half a mile down the road is the colored section of town with a whole bunch of trashy trailers, The realtor insisted this was the shortest way. They also did not get to go across the railroad tracks. I have often wondered why nobody ever shot an engineer when he blasts the horn for 27 seconds at 2 AM (I counted). He advertised heavy about deer and turkeys, yeah, and Jack and Judy are forever upset about the neighbors trespassing on their land while hunting.
Beware of realtors.

[BIGGKIDD]

Hi yall

Well we did it just got back from lunch with the Realtor. She is ok I told her up front that I did not want to meet up until I was ready to sign. Told her we would like to look at certain kinds of properties and she set up a page for me to check them on line. Then we spent the last months going and looking walking the properties we were interested in. My father is an agent / broker and I did not want to have him tell me what I needed so I am spending the money and have an agent who does what I ask. Well I found what I want & the wife likes it so now we are making a offer so now I am back to wait and see. I offered 2/3 of the asking price and for the seller to have it perked. Also put into the contract that we want all mineral rights, don't even know if the seller owns them but doesn't hurt to try. We will have to clear the land as we go. No power or phone it would cost a fortune to bring it 2.5 miles into the house. If we could get an easement. So this will be off grid. ;D I am thinking at first we will set up a battery bank and gen set. Then later I will add in hydro / wind if possible. I don't think I will go solar due to the cost of the system. There are 2 places on the 35 Ac that seem to have a constant breeze. Also there is a smaller creek that runs the length of the land we could draw power from about 8 months of the year I think. I does go dry in the summer. The big creek in the pic we would only own about 100' and there is little fall there and looks like it would flood bad so that's out for making power as far as I can tell. I am planning on building a log home. But you know plans some times they change. It looks to me like there is enough stone on the land for a nice foundation and plenty of timber for the house. Long as I have energy and we can work a suitable deal for the land we are on our way.

Any advice from people who have done this sort of thing is welcome.

Larry

[Catalpa]

I second the cautions about realtors. They're in it to make a living, not to make sure you get what you really want.

I did buy my ten acres. I love it because it has the perfect hill for building the house, a few trees, and quiet neighbors. (Amish on two sides and a swamp on a third).

What I don't like is the noise from the highway 1/2 mile away, and the fact that I couldn't afford to buy the two 15 acre parcels behind me, so someone else can buy those, and build a house right where my best view across the hills is. Sigh.

I plan on planting lots of trees to screen out unwanted views and noise.

For my small, local dreams, this parcel is just right. It's within easy driving distance of my daughter's school, my job, and my relatives. There's power to the property, and a rudimentary driveway. The foundations left from the 1840's farmhouse will provide more than enough field stone for me to build a stone wall behind the soapstone woodstove I want to get.

I don't know yet if I'll get a manufactured home or try to stick build, much depends on selling my current home.

There's an old hand pump well on the property, too. Good, sweet water. I've been using it to water the trees I've already planted. I've already perked the property and gotten my septic permit.

The property is only about three miles from where I live now, so we go over almost every day, and let the dog run. I've built a deer blind and put out some mineral blocks; there's deer sign around, but I haven't seen any yet.

Can't overestimate the importance of making sure you can get a water supply and septic permit before putting any money down.

Maybe someday when my daughter is grown, I can dream my big dreams, and homestead someplace less tame, like the UP, or maybe out to Montana or Minnesota.

By the way, anyone looking for less expensive land....Michigan's economy is in the toilet, and prices are falling, in some places acreage is down to 2k an acre. Of course the downside is there's no jobs to be had.....

Cat

[bookwormom]

we bought our 40 acres 15 years ago from an associate of the above mentioned realtor. found the address in MotherEarth News. When I drove into town the first thing I noticed was an amish buggy comp clomping down the middle of the street, there was no McDonalds. I told the Realtor exactly what I was looking for, he said that is hard to find but he might just have what I wanted. He took me by the long around scenic drive (lovely) up the road, then we turned right at a gravel road and went for another four miles through the woods. Only a couple of houses. We turned off the gravel road at an old black cemetery. you would not think there was a lovely little valley back in there. It said yes to me. I still like it. The weather was right and it was still, at the top of the hill you saw waves upon waves of wooded low hills. there is a well on the place. we drove out a different, also scenic route. after we bought the place we found out that is not the closest way to drive in, you go up to cracktown and turn left, go across the railroad tracks up through colored town til you hit the woods and there you are. the free way is just on the other side of cracktown. Our little valley seems to act like a mega phone on certain days, you hear every truck that goes by on the freeway like it was just down the road. I do not mind the railroad, I got used to it, though they could do a lot less blaring going by at night. OUr neighbors to the right are a colored family. We get along fine with them. decent folks with their own hard row to hoe. ( wife just had a heart transplant). I have found marijuana growing on the place and found plastic containers with meth parapharnelia. Neighbor on the north we suspect heavily to be in the production of same. the sheriff has been here a couple of times. The drug people are white. We paid too much for our land considering the location. I thought I had all the pertinent questions to ask, but it did not cross my mind to ask, is the place right in the middle of drug country? Is there a slummy crack town just down the road? Is the freeway just a mile to the east? Who would have thunk it, I mean I told the guy we were trying to get away from it all. Well, my fault I guess.

[Terri]

I gvot sick right after I got 5.5 acres, and I will never be able to put in sweat equity now.

What I like about it is that it is CLOSE!

I WAS able to put in some asparagus, and I am looking forward to picking it this spring. Also I keep bees out there. And, I am cosidering trying winter squash, just for giggles. IF it rains like this year it will do fine: if it rains like last year it will all die from thirst.

I would not be able to do this if it were far away!

[bgarrett]

I know exactly what I want.
I wonder if I will ever find it
Been looking 3 years

I want 40 acres with a pasture and a wooded slope to the south or east with a good spring
I want to be more than 5 miles from town but less than 15.
I want to be a mile or less to pavement.
I will settle for 10 acres or more with a well, still gotta slope right and be near pavement

[333]

Peace,

I Scouted for several years with and with out realtor's.

When you have the means they hot foot to get at their commission, when you do not its phone tag forever. Unfortunately most sales include them.

Make sure they understand you mean and are ready to do business.

Assert that: "your money", "you're the boss".
Ask all the stupid questions in the world, point is, ask when you aren't sure. Consider a small retainer to consult an attorney when a serious offer is on the table.

BE PATIENT and do not settle out of anxiety, fatigue or pressure.

One last thing, be careful if you use more than one Realtor in the same area, they do talk, but use as many as you want.

Good Luck

333

[Deberosa]

Peace,

I Scouted for several years with and with out realtor's.

When you have the means they hot foot to get at their commission, when you do not its phone tag forever. Unfortunately most sales include them.

Make sure they understand you mean and are ready to do business. *

Assert that: "your money", "you're the boss".
Ask all the stupid questions in the world, point is, ask when you aren't sure. Consider a small retainer to consult an attorney when a serious offer is on the table.

BE PATIENT and do not settle out of anxiety, fatigue or pressure.

One last thing, be careful *if you use more than one Realtor in the same area, they do talk, but use as many as you want.

Good Luck

333

I have a really different take on realtors. Find one you trust and trust them!!! I have a realtor friend who got me into Deberosa and out of the gated community jail I was in! He and his wife just stopped by yesterday for tomatoes and squash. One of the frustrations he constantly has is people being the "wheelers and dealers". They don't let him know exactly what they want and exactly what they are willing to pay so he can't find good matches. Then they get mad because he doesn't read their minds!!!

Now, there are lots and lots and lots of realtors that won't return phone calls, try to sell you things you don't want, won't show you cheaper properties, etc. Don't use them and you can tell them right off! But there are those that have connections to funding sources, want to see you get in a place you like and will truly be your agent. It's not very hard to spot the difference either. Just keep looking till you find a good one. I had an excellent realtor like that in Denver and she handled many deals for me I met her at an open house after several other realtors tried to stuff me into a condo(what would a single divorcee do with a large yard???).
I met the realtor I have here by walking into his office one Sunday after becoming totally frustrated with living in a gated community. Again I met alot of lemons here too!

Make your wishes clear and things go alot smoother. He would have liked to have held out for a higher price on the gated community property, but I had a deadline on getting Deberosa as a contingent sale. His fear was that I would be upset with a "bad" deal and to this day I have to assure him that I would do it the same way again, even though I took a lower price just to get out.

Also - we mentioned we may be interested in more acreage as the housing slump brings down prices and my local realtor can handle a sale for anywhere in the state. So if you find someone locally you like, then they can do some searching at least within the state for you. I have a huge list to go through now!

Good luck!

[BIGGKIDD]

I just wanted to add that we came to an agreement with the folks selling the land we want. We have a signed contract with owner financing. The only bad news is we don't close until the 2nd of Jan.

We went out to the property yesterday and almost got the van stuck, left 6 inch ruts in the road. Its 1.6 miles from the front corner of our land to the pavement, almost 2 miles from the back to the road. Looks like we will drive the truck (4X4) from now on till we get some gravel in the bad spots. One thing is for sure there wont be many visitors ;D ;D ;D ;D

Larry

[DM]

I've be filling those bad spots with rock before i put gravel on them, or you will be buying gravel every few years for the rest of your life!

DM

[BIGGKIDD]

DM,

I was thinking of using #3s. Do you think that will work ok? It mostly gets logging & hunting traffic. Once they are done logging the roads will stay in better shape till the next time.

Thanks
Larry

[DM]

I'm not sure what will work in your case, but if it's muddy and deep, i'd use some big stone on the bottom.

One time i had a drive way that had serious ruts in it. I took my 3/4 ton pu and loaded stones in it by hand, any and every place i could find them! Most were football size on down. I then backed up to the ruts and threw them in, load after load, untill it would support the weight of my pu. I then graveled over it and never had another problem! EVER!

I did it over a peroid of time, and it took something like 25 or 30 loads!

I didn't have any money to "buy" rock, so it was all sweat equity!

DM

[BIGGKIDD]

DM,

That sounds like it worked well & theres lots of rock like that along the creek bottom on my back property line. Thanks for the tip.

Larry

[ol_hoot]

Is it your road biggkidd or is it a county road
If it was mine and the loggers tore it up the loggers would be fixin it
If it was the counties my commissioner would hear from me

[BIGGKIDD]

ol_hoot

The road is owned and maintained by the land owners. For example my property line goes to the middle of the road for the length of my land.

KIDD 8)

[bookwormom]

so theoretically you fix one rut and the other owner fixes the other. ;)
good advice DM.

[flatwater]

For me there is never enough land but I had to settle for a 20acre parcell that came with a cabin 12X16 (and I just completed a 14X20 addition to it) A water cistern and a view that would knock your socks off. It is way up north in eastern Washington about a quarter of a mile from the Canadian line. All for the grand total of 29,500.00. It sets about 3500 feet and has Gods blessing written all over it.
Flatwater

[BIGGKIDD]

For me there is never enough land but I had to settle for a 20acre parcell that came with a cabin 12X16 (and I just completed a 14X20 addition to it) A water cistern and a view that would knock your socks off. It is way up north in eastern Washington about a quarter of a mile from the Canadian line. All for the grand total of 29,500.00. It sets about 3500 feet and has Gods blessing written all over it.
Flatwater

WOW That sounds like a nice place Please show us some pictures.

Larry

[BIGGKIDD]

Hi All

We finally closed on our land yeterday. ;D :D I can't believe its finally ours. Of coure its raining here for the last few days so we can't move the camper or tractor up. I am sure we would end up stuck. Soon as it dries out though we will be on the way.

Larry 8)

[nancy1340]

Good for you. :D

Don't forget PICTURES!!! :)

[CountryKitty]

Hey wiley,

Your original post was about the size you needed for house, workshop, barn, garden and some horses, right? My elderly neighbor has a place that sounds like a fair example to go by.

He has 70 acres here in rural SW KY divided as follows:

50 is pasture, with 10 acres that could be closed off from the rest *to let the grass grow, and 3 that hold his barn and can also be closed off.

1/3 of the barn is to shelter 'the girls' (the dozen cows that used to provide calves for market til this past Fall), with a 15x20' section reserved for feed; 2/3 was for tractor and implement storage, with the loft reserved for smoking tobbaco (the method used here for curing 'Dark-fire' tobacco) in Fall. A 15x30' workroom is attached to one side, but could easily fit in the 2/3 section.

The other 20 held large gardens for his truck farming--also given up in Fall due to his health--and for growing hay around the gardens for wither feed. In winter, the round bales were lined up along the fence, protected by a strand of electric fencing and the cows were allowed to graze where the garden had stood.

Mr. C grew about 3 acres of tomatoes each year, plus 1-2 more in pumpkins and melons, plus okra and corn and turnips for greens. Started all those tomatoes from seed in a smallgreenhouse10' by 12' by 5' tall made of *2x4's covered with 6 mil plastic and protected from frost by a single floodlight fixture.

For your purposes, a pasture that size could be partitioned one more time for 3 sections and each coulld raise hay while one was grazed and another 'rested'. A barn that size (50x40 ish?) would be more than sufficient, and the remaining 20 would be plenty for house + gardens + a small orchard. And then some.

I think 40 acres would work for you (tho' I'd go for 70 -100 given my druthers).


As for a quonset hut--the shape would withstand snow and --if turned so the sides rather than the ends faced the prevailing winds--high winds better than traditional barns.


As for me, I live on 14 acres next to the neighbor's 70. 10 of mine are in woods and 3 hold the house trailer, a mini orchard/henyard, a workshop and a coupe large sheds. The remaining 1 acres is spread out in the form of a 1-5' wide by 4-8' deep 'branch'--local term for a seasonal creek-like tributary to the main creek (fed by runoff and springs, and tends to dry up in late summer). God willing my neighbor, one of the finest people I know, will live to bee 100...but after he is gone, hubby and I want to buy his property, plant tons of native trees, maybe run a few feeder calves Spring thru' Fall, and just generally keep the world at a good shootin' distance as my love says.


By the way, have you looked at small towns in Northern KY? Little places in counties with small populations are more likely to have what you want for a decent price. (the populations here is about 15,000 in the county, and we're so rural that one of the big events each Spring is Tractor Day, where the High School kids drive the family tractor to school. After school they all seem to circle the town square, 'cruise' down to the Dairy queen and back several times with several classmates shoehorned into the cab or sitting on the fenders, before easing homeward.) We have a state income tax, but the cost of living tends to be fairly low.

Good luck finding your little slice of eden.

[WileyCoyote]

Thank you for your posts!
Thank you, CountryKitty - we haven't really thought a lot about KY. I lived in OH for 4 years, and the weather and land were OK. (I had a 'stepfamily' that adopted me and my kids. They owned 1,000 acres, where I learned how to run a tractor and harvester.) But hubby didn't like the area when we went back after we were married; too flat and the people were too midwestern and citified, even outside of the cities. He wants to be near the Black Hills or some real mountains, and we want to be 'neckline deep to a tall giraffe' in snow in the winter. So we haven't really been looking anywhere but NE, ID, ND, SD, and MN; a little in WY and MT but the californians have taken over there pretty much and in ID with prices to match... But thanks for the heads up about the prices. That's worth looking into. I would like a 'crick' or branch or even a pond on the property, but those are hard to come by.

We were thinking that 40 acres would about do us, and anything over 60 would be too unmanageable. Again, it depends on where it is and what it has on it... fencing and cross fencing, barns and outbuildings, if we would haveta clear trees or not, etc.

We've done the 6 mil plastic greenhouse but I like the hard-sided one better; in a very bad year of wind and rain, the sides of the greenhouse tore to shreds, even with patchings, and destroyed all my seedlings. The hard-sided one we built for $200 has lasted 10 years.

I just don't want to move to a 'growing' area; seems like once a place gets discovered, everyone moves there, prices go up, and then they start ordinancing everything out of existence. I used to be able to have fencing and chickens and even goats in the backyard, now they've zoned everything out. I want to move to where the population is declining!

[bgarrett]

After looking for 3 years, I settled for less than I wanted.
I got 16 wooded acres (paid too much, $55,000)
Its on pavement, about 5 miles to town,has a gentle slope, and has a spring feeding a small creek which accumulates in a pond.
It does NOT slope to the South or East, so that part is Very Wrong--I got tired of looking and settled for this

[bgarrett]

I have a picture of the pond.
Its pretty enough to be on a calendar.
How can I post a pic on this forum?

[landshark]

I am looking for approx 80+ acres to go in with the rest of the family (2 siblings plus parents) to start a family homestead.

Ideal location would be somewhere a bit warmer than Utah with better soil for gorwing the garden. Also would like to have a good mix of pasture and trees (would be willing to clear if needed), a constant flow stream would be nice, a few ponds (spring fed?), a spring or two, natural caverns for underground storage, nice south facing views....have I forgotten anything? I know we will probably have to sacrifice on some, but one can always hope.

[bgarrett]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34245039@N00/2237059616/
This is the pond on my 16 acres

[flatwater]

BiggKidd

Go to simplesolarhomesteading , then to forum then to photos. This is another forum that you can upload your pictures right to the forum, pretty neat forum also.
Flatwater

[bgarrett]

Thanks for the link Flatwater.
Its just what I need

[BIGGKIDD]

BiggKidd

* Go to simplesolarhomesteading , then to forum then to photos. This is another forum that you can upload your pictures right to the forum, pretty neat forum also.
Flatwater

Thanks Flatwater I will have to check it out. I do have some neat stuff to show you all.

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