Water to burn

[CarolAnn]

I posted something about this under the Energy tabs, but there's been surprisingly little notice. Has anyone seen the news report about burning sea water?!

OK, so it's not actually the sea water that burns, but the radio waves that are used to bombard the water have an effect on it that causes hydrogen to be released - and that burns hotter than the sun!

Wow, what a concept! Ocean-going shippers, at least, should be excited about having a never-ending fuel supply on hand!

Imagine what it would be like to flush out those oil pipe lines and then extend them to the ocean where they could be used to suck up sea water for fuel!

Power-poor countries would suddenly be power-rich.

And we could tell the Arabs to keep their oil. Excellent!
Has anyone here had enough chemistry to tell what the by-products of burning sea water would be?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/11/can-saltwater-be-burned-as-fuel/

[Quietgentleman]

When hydrogen burns you get water. ;D

QGM

[CarolAnn]

Well, yeah - H2 O - but I'm talking sea water - disolved salts & stuff. Destabilize the water molecule and burn the hydrogen (and doesn't burning anything require oxygen?) - you're still left with some other elements that were part of the mix.

There's no free ride - so what kind of toxic gunk are we likely to be left with? Is it better than what we've got with burning oil or coal for power?

[Quietgentleman]

It all depends on how much of the water molecule is spit. If it releases both the hydrogen and the one oxygen atoms then the only thing left would be salt. Though it is a interesting prospect I just wish I had payed better attention in chemistry class to know if it only releases one hydrogen atom if the remaining sodium chlorine hydrogen and oxygen atoms could combine and make one or more molecules.

QGM

[DavidOH]

"Something looks fishy here. Hydrogen burns with a blue flame so it cannon be Hydrogen. The flame looks yellowish and that may possibly be Sodium. This also make logical sense because of presence of NaCl in sea water. This should also be accompanied by release of Chlorine gas. I am interested in finding out what is the reddish-orange smoke coming out."

I heard about this. Now that I see it, it is bunk! *::)

You don't get Hydrogen without a LOT of energy going into it to split it from the Oxygen.

I've seen Hydrogen burn. It produces NO flame.
Colorless! * This flame appears RED.
That would be the Sodium burning. *:P

Now if you had an endless supply of electricity...... *::)


The question is: *Is this method of breaking the H2O bonds more efficent than electrolisis ? * ???

[ericknowschrist]

Apparently this has been tried by a number of folks and supposedly it is not bunk. Energy is being expelled; it is a radio frequency being blasted into the water. The question is will there be a net "profit" of energy using this process?

[Steve_L]

You can't get back more energy from the hydrogen than you put into the radio waves to make the hydrogen out of water.

Conservation of energy is not just a good idea, it's physical law.

[Rancher]

You may not be able efficiently get hydrogen from water but that will not stop the program if the Greenies get on to it.
Notice the current Ethanol prduction furor. All it takes is money. It takes more energy to produce Ethanol that is created by the Ethanol produced. That is why there has to be a huge susidy to enable production.

The history of humans has been that over time, more efficiency is developed, in many things, including production of energy. I suspect that this will continue and new methods of developing sourced of energy will be seen. It may be hydrogen from sea water, or some other source. However, much will depend on how much influence the Enviormentalists exert, one way or the other. Take note that the presently most efficient, cheapest, and safest source of energy, Atomic energy, has been and still is very restricted by Environmentalists in the U.S.

Hydrogen for energy use may be in our future but more development needs to be done.

[GREEN_ALIEN]

Before stating that it "cannot be hydrogen.........burning red" go back and really look at the pics. It is really clear that the test project is being illuminated for clarity.

It is actully an old test. Hydrogen has been split from water using RF since the late 60's or so.

Ted

[Mac_Muz]

I have my doubts... Once there were water misting systems used in cars from the 40's- late 60's which made steam, and were said to improve MPG's.

RF is no more than micro waving water. The salt adds the conductivity making a electric flow easier, than in sweet water.

My guess is it will take more current than it puts back out as usable energy.

If it did work there would be far more that just salt as a by produce, since many minerals are borne in sea water, IF sea water was used, and so i would assume since gold is also suspended in sea water gold would also turn up, and in a few hundred years you might get an ounce.

I would be reluctant to invest thinking any return will be in this life time and the next for that matter.

I agree the What IF would be great news IF it could be done, and in a way less energy went in to get more power out. The fact he has melted glass means little, with out the figures on the current that went into melting the glass in the first place.


Largely due to making engine simply breath better than they did before is what is responcible for less waste in petro fuels. Still internal combustion engines waste as heat, and friction better than 70% effientcy. And the air we breath is a far greater part to the combustion.

A proper fuel to air mix is still a law of nature in 14 parts to air to one part fuel as petro. 14:1

The industry has leaned out the fuel with limited success to 17:1, and dangerously close to total engine failure in common cars, being that this lean mix is getting very close to melting the internal engine componets such as valves.

This has resulted in new tech in anti-knock sencors and other sencors that tell a computer different things to adjust mix, and to stop the engine from running in any overly too lean conditon, which currently stop spark untill the condition passes.

Perhaps a day far in the future will show these words are wrong, but with current tech these are correct just now.
Once it was said man would never fly.

[Ocala]

look here

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/Low%20Voltage.html

or do a search on stan meyer

hope this helps

also i have posted a post in the energy section earlier b4 i seen this one
http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/yabb/forum.pl?board=ene-other;action=display;num=1192204399;start=2#2