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Bad_Omen
07-14-2007, 12:36 AM
I came across an interesting piece about, well TEOTWAWKI, I guess and thought I'd share it.

Link to original article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=468267&in_page_id=1770)

How the world would thrive without mankind
By MICHAEL HANLON

Six-and-half billion - and rising. That is how many humans crowd our Planet Earth. And there is no doubt that we are wreaking terrible damage on our world.


So much so that scientists talk about the "Anthropocene" - the destructive Era Of Man.


Our gases are polluting the atmosphere and warming the skies. Our chemicals taint the seas and the rivers; our farms and cities gobble up the landscape, pushing flora and fauna aside like sand before a bulldozer. Our green-and-blue world is still beautiful, but it is far from pristine.


Our mark is everywhere.


But just imagine what would happen if we were all to disappear, each and every one of us, tomorrow. That's right - think what would take place if every single man, woman and child were to vanish off the face of the Earth in an instant.


That is the bizarre premise of a new book which speculates what would happen in the days, months, years and millennia ahead if homo sapiens - surely the most extraordinary species ever to have evolved - were suddenly to be swept away.

The author, Alan Weisman, of Arizona University, does not speculate on the cause of the disappearance; this is immaterial, as this is not a book about the end of the world but about an imagined beginning - the beginning of The World Without Us, the title of his book.


The results of this huge thought-experiment are both fascinating and surprising. Fascinating for what they tell us about the impermanence of the works of man, and surprising for the simple reason that it soon becomes clear that our world would carry on regardless, indifferent to our demise.


In fact, the first things to happen after the disappearance of humanity would be very dramatic - and destructive.


Within a week, the emergency fuel supply to the diesel generators that circulate cooling water around the world's 441 operating nuclear reactors would run out.


After that, one by one, the reactors would overheat, burn, melt and in some cases explode. Several hundred Chernobyl disasters would play out, simultaneously, across the deserted world. Huge quantities of radioactive material would be released into the air, rivers and oceans.


What effect this would have on animal and plant life is unknown.


But much to everyone's surprise, the flora and fauna around the Chernobyl disaster site has thrived. The ecologist James Lovelock, a pro-nuclear Green, argues that wildlife, by and large, does not notice radiation.


Certainly, from then on, planet Earth would probably give a sigh of relief at our passing, as a spectacular environmental recovery would begin to take place. Quickly, the oceans would cleanse themselves; similarly the air, the streams and the rivers. In a remarkably short time, Mother Nature would reassert herself over her old dominions.


In the new, human-free world, a few species would do badly - the rats, cockroaches and starlings that cling to our coat-tails would suffer. So would cows, sheep and other farm animals. The human head-louse would become extinct within a year, and HIV would vanish.


In Africa, an orgy of feasting would take place as an exploding lion and leopard population guzzled its way through the continent's millions of cattle, no longer protected by the herdsmen's spears and guns.


Most wild species would thrive. By 2100, the half-a-million surviving African elephants would have multiplied to their pre-colonial population of ten million or so.


Africa's plains and forests would quickly fill with the great menagerie of game that once foraged and migrated unhindered across the continent. The jungles would start to regrow.


In the countryside, an even more rapid transformation would take place in the decades following our demise. Britain's mechanised farmlands - in truth, no more "natural" than London's Piccadilly Circus - would see the rapid growth of fescues and lupins, tangled swathes of grass and wild mustard.

Within years, oak shoots would sprout from the former fields of wheat, barley and rye.


After a couple of centuries, Britain would revert to a pre-medieval knot of forest and undergrowth, its ancient patchwork of fields and hedgerows gone for ever. Exotic species - wolves, wild boar and perhaps some African game species - might even make it through the Channel Tunnel to recolonise our island.

That is what would happen to the natural world - but what about the works of man?


The big cities would crumble with remarkable ease. London or New York, like all large towns near the sea, would start to rot from their foundations up, as underground tunnels and conduits that carried trains and cables, roadways and sewage, started to fill up with water within days. The pumps that keep them dry would have simply ceased to operate.


Indeed, the recent floods in northern England showed just how much damage can be caused when human defences fail. Without people to patch them up, and the rumble of traffic continually to keep them at bay, weeds would win their long battle with the asphalt.


Within a few weeks, grass shoots would begin to shatter every road surface in the world. Within 15 years, the M1 would look like one of those roads built in Africa in the 1960s and never since maintained.


Within a decade, the combined onslaught of weeds, waterlogging from blocked drains and the freeze-thaw action of water seeping into cracks would combine to turn the foundations of the urban world to rubble.


Many buildings would start to fall apart within 20 years. Walls would groan and creak, roof tiles lift, joints between walls and roofs separate. Without central heating, with gutters permanently clogged and no maintenance, most of Britain's homes would be in ruins by 2040.


America's cities, with their generally harsher climates, would fall apart even sooner.


Some of the first buildings that would decay are, paradoxically, some of the newest. The shoddily built box-homes that have sprung up across Britain in the post-war era, the badly-made tower blocks and the cheap conversions, would collapse like houses of cards.


Large, well-designed modern buildings with steel-framed constructions might survive for centuries, however, as would some of the thick-walled buildings of the Georgian era and before.


Of course, some constructions would last a very long time. Massively over-engineered, the Forth Rail Bridge could stand for hundreds of years. And one structure which, interestingly, would survive far longer than you might think would be the Channel Tunnel.


Dr Weisman points out that it wouldn't flood because it is built deep under the seabed, in a single geological layer. That is why it might prove to be a vital conduit for the recolonisation of Britain by dozens of animal species long banished by man.


Meanwhile, as the buildings crumbled and decayed, what about the other works of man?


Our world is still very much the Iron Age, but iron - and its modern incarnation, steel - is the most transient of materials: strong but powerless against corrosion.


"Don't be fooled," says David Olsen, an American materials scientist, "by massive steel buildings, steamrollers, tanks, railway tracks... sculptures made of bronze (an extraordinarily resilient alloy) will outlast the lot".


Again, we are faced with the paradox that some of the oldest artefacts on Earth might outlast the newest. Within a century or two, nearly all automobiles would have rusted away. Within a millennium - without maintenance and painting - the steel fabric of our civilisation would have crumbled.


But bronze sculptures from the ancient world - as well as more modern bronze artworks - might last millions of years.

Indeed, by AD10,000,000, the world would still be littered with hundreds of semi-oxidised bronze artefacts - sculptures and statues, reliefs and delicate instruments. Add to that billions of copper-alloy coins, which might survive just as long. Humans might vanish at the height of the steel age, but it is to the Bronze Age that the Earth would return.

We live in the steel age, but we might also be said to live in the plastic age. Depressingly, it may be the plastic bag that proves to be one of mankind's most persistent legacies.


The billions of bags blowing across the Earth like tumbleweed would continue to blow. Come back in ten thousand years, and most of them will still be there.


So would some other surprising things.


Most people think that paper is automatically biodegradable, but it is not. In the absence of air and water, it can last for millennia - that is why we can read 3,000-year-old Egyptian scrolls. Some of our books, printed on good-quality paper, may be readable for 10,000 years if they are buried in landfill sites.


So what would the world be like in, say, 100,000 years' time?


Billions of bits of metal - aluminium, stainless steel, titanium and bronze - would litter the forests and savannas. Some of these bits would still be recognisable - as nuts and bolts, tools and decoration, possibly even the skeletons of aircraft.

A few buildings might survive this long - the Pyramids and Stonehenge could soldier on, maybe some of the huge concrete casings around nuclear reactors. And the world would probably still be littered with plastic bags.

And then? Nobody knows. Nature abhors a vacuum, and Alan Weisman speculates that another species could quickly evolve to occupy the niche vacated by homo sapiens.


His favourite candidate is the baboon - they are less bright perhaps than chimps, but there are many more of them (meaning a far bigger, and healthier, gene pool), and baboons are very adaptable.

"Has their cranial capacity lain suppressed because we got the jump on them, being first out of the trees?" Weisman asks. With humans gone, baboons could become the next dominant super-primate.

We can only speculate what would happen if they did. What would happen in 250,000 years, say, when a curious, intelligent simian dug up a wheel, or a plastic bag, or a computer disc? Weisman speculates that "their intellectual development might be kicked abruptly into a higher intellectual plane by the discovery of ready-made tools".

Even as ghosts, we would continue to shape the future.


But not for ever - not on Earth, anyway. Eventually, even the baboons or whatever else took over would be doomed. For there are forces beyond any conceivable control that will shape the long-term future of the Earth - a future about which scientists are now as certain as they are vague about next month's weather.


Our sun is now a middle-aged star; in a few hundred millions of years, it will change noticeably, growing hotter and brighter as it gobbles its dwindling fuel supply at an accelerating rate.


By AD1billion, natural solar warming will wipe out nearly all species on Earth. By then, perhaps only a few insects and plants will survive, as the oceans start to evaporate. Evolution on Earth will grind to a halt as the planet starts to boil. In a few hundred more millions of years, Earth will be a sterile, hellish, lifeless desert with an atmosphere of super-heated steam.


Any visiting aliens would then be hard-pressed to find any traces that humans, or even intelligent monkeys, once lived here.

Of our civilisation, nothing will remain - except perhaps a few unusual metal structures buried in the rocks, maybe one or two piles of suspicious rubble where some of the largest monuments stood. Maybe even some plastic bags. The aliens would probably conclude that nothing interesting had ever lived here.

But they would be wrong, and if they knew where to look, they could discover that even now, even with the sun dying, billions of years hence, there will still be evidence of homo sapiens.


On the moon, a couple of tons of assorted metalware, three electric moonbuggies, six American flags and thousands of footprints will - in the absence of rain and air - survive until the dying days of the solar system. Similar human-made ironmongery litters the surfaces of Mars, Venus and Saturn's moon Titan.


And in deep space, a quartet of probes - the Nasa Voyagers and Pioneers, launched in the 1970s - will continue their long, silent journey through the galaxy. Unless they collide with a star or planet (unlikely) or are grabbed by a passing alien (even less likely), they will sail on for aeons: the last concrete vestiges of man and his works for millions upon millions of years.


But even these little robots may not be man's last gasp. As the Voyagers and Pioneers erode away to stardust, billions of years hence, there will still be a relic of mankind.


This is the shell of radio waves - bearing sound and television images, military radio traffic and, latterly, the internet - that has been expanding out into the cosmos at the speed of light for the past 100 years since Marconi's first transmissions.


There is no reason to suppose that our radio and TV signals will not continue to do so for eternity. They will weaken with time and distance but, theoretically at least, they could be picked up at colossal distances.


It is easy to conclude that the world without us would be a cleaner, better place. Yet without humans, something would be lost.


We are the only species to have evolved that can contemplate not only our own existence, but also the grandeur and beauty of our planet and its other inhabitants as well.


We may be making a terrible mess in places - but without us, the world would surely be a duller place.

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It made me think about a couple of things. For instance, I'd never given much thought to what would happen to things like nuclear power stations if TSHTF. Unless they were shut down properly TS would really HTF!!! They're not alone either. How many other man made disasters are waiting to happen if the power goes down for good? Chemical storage facilities, bio hazards, oil depots, the list is long.

The rest of it sounds like paradise to me though ;)

wax
07-15-2007, 05:22 AM
Good post... and a very important issue for humans to understand.

Radiation is not the "boogyman" many people have convinced themselves it is.
Three Mile Island is the most ecologically diverse section of the east coast.
Chernobyl of course shows that an absolute worst scenerio... with every human error imaginable... is not the terror inducing prospect some make of it.

Of course the fact that both Nagasaki and Hiroshima are ecological paradises with people still alive who were exposed to radiation burns on the day those sites were bombed proves the point.

The problem with the scenerio described of course is that man would be very hard to completely wipe out.

The only way it could be done is if somehow every ecology of earth were destroyed above the microbial level.

Man could fairly easily be reduced by upwards of 75%.
But passing beyond the magical 10 percent barrier would be an extremely hard endeavor.

Most people don't realize it but a substancial number of humans are immune to aids!
I know they don't like to point it out but it is a scientific fact.
In fact, there has never been a biological agent known to have existed which could produce higher than a 90% mortality rate.
No virus, no parasite, no weaponized biological agent could ever kill more than 90% of "us".

Nuclear war would be even less affective at wiping out man.
It would be bad... very very bad... but the fatality zone is clearly below a biological disaster.

So... instead of Earth without man we are realistically talking about Earth with far far fewer men.

6.5 billion is mentioned as our current population... an insane number to be sure. So let's say we are reduced to a more expected 650 million.
That is a vast reduction.
Let's say half of those left starve to death or die from violence of others.
That still leaves 325 million humans spread across the earth surviving on the aftermath of modern society.

40 million is a great number concerning human population as far as nature is concerned, but 325 ain't too bad really.
Divide by six and we are talking around 55 million per continent... much higher than the "Dark Age" numbers following the fall of Rome but there would be plenty of room to breath!

The funny thing to me is that modern man appears to want to resent himself while declaring a false importance concerning nature.
We have false standards concerning life because we have forgotten what life is supposed to be like for a pack hunting predator.

For millions of years 30 was a good age to die.
You could witness the birth of your grandchildren and guide the next generation and yet still get out of the way and stop using up important resources.
At 40 you would be an elder, providing important leadership, and at 50 you would be worth a great deal to any group you lived with.
But 60... 70?
Not very likely and for good reason!

There have been discoveries in Northern Europe of societies 5,000 years or so ago in which one was likely to die before they reached the age of 30. No problem because most gave birth at around 14.

The point being that our idea of "human society" is so new that most do not realize how odd it is as far as nature is concerned.

BTW: Elephants were on the way out 50,000 years ago.
They will be on the way out in the coming years no matter what man does.
Far too big... far too specialized.
Nature likes specialization to be sure, but it is a very temporary thing.
Mega-fauna and flora both fail quickly due to specialization.
So nature aims toward adaptability.
It has not created a better creature concerning adaptation than man so far.
Unless it does create a better one... and one that directly competes with man... "we" as a species will be just fine.

The author is absolutely correct in that our false constructs can be lost without a moments hesitation.
But man would be a hard victim, he will not fade into the night, he will not die easily!

bookwormom
07-16-2007, 11:20 AM
It would do fine without us. Where we did not mow for the last 12 years we now have a thicket that I would not want to have to get through this time of year, oaks are 10 feet tall and cedars, poplar, sourwood is standing thick. In a few decades this will be forest if I don't do anything about it.

DaNgEr_KiTtY
07-16-2007, 03:19 PM
now matter how much we get blamed for everything life will continue to exist & thrive along with the normal obstacles & the food chain.

bigjack
07-17-2007, 08:44 AM
It reads like an orgy of self hate to me. Since the author believes that we "evolved" then everything we do or produce is therefore "natural" Right? Is the Hoover Dam any less natural than a beaver dam?-Jack

wax
07-18-2007, 04:55 AM
bigjack- Since the author believes that we "evolved" then everything we do or produce is therefore "natural" Right?

Wax- Great point, and something that far too many "environmentalists" overlook.

It is only common sense that we manage ourselves concerning natural resources. Peeing in ones own pool eventually causes a problem after all.

But eco-terrorists also want us to hate ourselves for the position our species holds in nature.
And they have created a myth in order to sustain that hatred.

The very concept that we could harm the Earth is... delusional at best!
And attempting to "save" something we could not control even if we wanted to is downright dangerous.

Man is the best predator that nature(God if you wish) has ever produced... but we are still nothing more than a product.
It is only the last three or four decades which has allowed such delusions, and even then only the truly affluent have them.

Ask an Ethiopian how the Earth is doing.
Walk the steets of India and ask the kids searching for food in the gutters if man is making too much of an impact on the Earth today.

Most Americans suffer from a particular form of insanity.
Only a group of predators who have become so affluent as to forget they are predators (or pretend they are not) can even suggest to themselves that refusing to eat can be a "disease"!
We have convinced ourselves that a human being can be "lactose intolerant" or alergic to peanuts!

Don't get me wrong... these are real problems, but only in the western world!

Unfortunately someday soon many people will be taught a very important lesson.
One doesn't need to be a survivalist to understand this to be a fact.
We lost hundreds of thousands of people in a tsunami recently and something similar will happen again.
But then that was "them" and they were "over there".
America lost a handful of people in Katrina and allowed citizens to believe that it was the governments fault!

Funny in a way... but very sad.

bigjack
07-18-2007, 06:42 AM
The very title of the article is ridiculous. "How the world would thrive without mankind". The "world" cannot thrive or suffer, it just is what it is.

It has gone through continuous change for billions of years. In the mind of some twisted eco nuts humans are a plague that must be wiped out to save the Earth.
Save it from what? What good is an empty desolate world with no people to enjoy it?

I believe in good stewardship but to think about the world as some kind of living thing that would be better off if humans had never existed is just nuts.-Jack

Southern_Gent
07-18-2007, 07:13 AM
I remember that an author by the name of Poul Anderson once wrote a short story that focused on the world after all humans had perished. I think he wrote it about 12 years ago and it appeared in a magazine, darned if I can remember the name of the story or the magazine that ran it. It was an interesting read.

jim
07-18-2007, 07:43 AM
I read somewhere that nuclear reactors have many safegards, and that one of them is an auto-shutdown that will keep it from self-destruction. Anybody know if that's true?
jim

jott
07-18-2007, 03:49 PM
Jim I believe you are right I have not worked on any design for nuke plants but have been in them and talked with operators. I don’t know if it is 100% automatic or if a person must push a stop button to start it. But one person in the control room can shut it down quickly. You can not run reactor if you have no place for the energy to go. A few years ago when the northeast had the black out nuke plants in the area had to shut down since there was no place to send the energy it all happened without a hitch.

Chernobyl happened because the safeguards where disabled at the time so they could run experiments. At TMI operators where confused and where not sure what was happening and safeguards where bypassed since it was assumed it was instrument errors. The industry learned a lot from those incidents

If society ever falls apart I do not think I will worry much at all about nuke plants, they will be shut down as soon as the grid goes down. Having talked to workers at plants if society is gone and it is clear that the plant will not be working anytime soon I think they will disable the plant before they leave so the average person could not come in and do anything. The nuke waste that basically sitting in parking lots at many sites is another story. I think it is time to gov dose what it has said it will do and has charged the industry money to do and that is open a waste storage site, so it is not sitting everywhere. But that is another topic.

Jott