Are Canadians intolerant?!

[CarolAnn]

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Immigrants wishing to live in the small Canadian town of Herouxville, Quebec, must not stone women to death in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them, according to an extraordinary set of rules released by the local council.

The declaration, published on the town's Web site, has deepened tensions in the predominantly French-speaking province over how tolerant Quebecers should be toward the customs and traditions of immigrants.
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This is a joke, right? TENSIONS are deepening about not being able to stone women to death or throw acid on them or burn them alive in PUBLIC? (So it's still OK in private?) Heaven forfend anyone should have to hide their customs and traditions! :P

[bookwormom]

huh? what is this about? and who does it concern? I remember when I still lived in Germany there were occasionally problems with Turks forcing their very young daughters into marriage with unwanted men. there were/are murders involved when girls were/are killed by father or brothers for running away to escape an unwanted marriage, or marrying a European. There are girls in hiding right now who fear for their lives. Like one Turkish young woman said on TV: "the honor of the nation lies between my legs" (I hope this is not too explicit). are you talking about something on this line?

[tufhelp]

This at first blush seems laced with the typical way liberals approach a problem – make new laws and do not, what ever you do, enforce the existing laws. It isn’t against the law to do any of those things in Canada, that Province or community? Encouraging diversity has its limitations, and honor killings or disfigurements have no honor, any time, anyplace. Hoping not to offend the third-world immigrants by holding their hand and telling them it is not very nice to do those things anymore isn’t going to put a scratch in those ingrained 13/14th century methods of handling the family honor. Part of the immigration process must include intensive re-education, indoctrination and eventual integration into their new chosen society. Adjust or be deported, after your prison term…

[Matthew]

Adjust or be deported, after your prison term…

+1

Immigration without assimilation = Balkanization.

France had a small problem with this a few months ago...

[tufhelp]

+1

Immigration without assimilation = Balkanization.

France had a small problem with this a few months ago...


Hit the nail right on the head - I had to look it up, didn't remember the definition...

Balkanization:

1. to divide (a country, territory, etc.) into small, quarrelsome, ineffectual states.

2. (often lowercase) to divide (groups, areas, etc.) into contending and usually ineffectual factions: a movement to balkanize minority voters.

[Weezin]

And when pray tell were these laws written, if ever.
The town I grew up in still has laws on the books, such
as, a 4-horse team shall not be allowed in residential zones and that mens and womens undergarments shalt
not be hung on a clothes-line at the same time..
...................Dennis....................

[tufhelp]

Pray tell just what possible difference would it make as to when laws regarding murder and mayhem were written? If it was a REAL long time ago they don't apply to the new immigrants? We have to have NEW laws so that they will get the idea about how wrong these actions are?

Contrasting murder and mayhem to some antiquated and somewhat puritanical laws that are still on the books is way past an apples and oranges analogy. Communities struggling with the changes in society and trying desperately to legislate morals put those strange little statutes into print. Should we now revisit the statutes on murder and mayhem to "temper" them so as not to offend and prepare the society for the inevitable honor murders that will come with allowing immigration from the third world?

[bookwormom]

I have never been to Canada and would be lying if I said it had been heavily on my mind. However, I am well aquainted with the tensions and problems that occur when immigrants bring their own set of rules and disregard the laws and regulations of the host country. In the name of tolerance they do at times get away with murder. The native population may be frustrated but they are totally helpless. Especially as they are perpetrated as the bad guy.

[daphodil]

I guess I'd be more concerned if the new laws actually ALLOWED stoning of women, throwing of acid upon them, etc ;D

In Minneapolis, there was something also about Muslims at airports not wanting to haul folks in cabs if they were carrying alcohol. . . are Minnesotans intolerant?

I think we need to take a look over yonder across the Atlantic and ask if we really want to model Europe's immigration/Muslim policy--see how far it gets us.

[MNMOM]

The taxi drivers which were muslim weren't allowing blind people with seeing eye dogs in the taxis either.
I see no reason to make new laws for these immigrants coming in, they should know before they come what is expected of them as to following the laws on the books.

[wr]

I don't think we Canadians are intolerant as a group but I do think that Quebec dared to say aloud what so many are thinking. When people immigrate to a country, they have researched that country to a certain degree and it would seem that in making applications to immigrate that they accepting of the laws and practices of their new homeland. We have recently had a couple of trials involving honor killings of daughters who chose not to marry chosen husbands and we are expected to accept the concept that it's okay in the homeland so it's okay in Canada. I don't think anybody expects these particular 'rules' as they are set out to be enforceable but they are more intended as a warning that old country rules do not apply in Quebec.

[tufhelp]

...we are expected to accept the concept that it's okay in the homeland so it's okay in Canada. *I don't think anybody expects these particular 'rules' as they are set out to be enforceable but they are more intended as a warning that old country rules do not apply in Quebec.

That is the frustrating and aggravating part of this Muslim invasion immigration that is being dealt with in many parts of the world - in their previous location they enjoyed the cloak of a one religion environment and were fortunate enough to be practitioners of the only religion allowed/accepted and enjoy all the "benefits" of that association.

Now choosing to live in a freer "western" environment, their intolerance is no longer valid and in most cases against the law. They flaunt the laws, disregard the mores of the society they have chosen to live in - probably for the very tolerance, laws and prosperity they are enjoying but without feeling the need abide by those laws they feel don't or shouldn't have to apply to them. These immigrants want instant recognition for their "customs" and religious laws and zealotry without sacrificing, assimilating, and changing the system from within by being a part of the system. No can be above the laws of the civilization where you choose to reside. Had one of us infidels broken the “law” of their land in their country, these same whiners would be in the front row stoning you to death, no offering you the excuse of following your own customs. They may have enjoyed the mandate they felt in their previous life as the dominate group, but if that was so hot why immigrate with the infidels.

These immigrants not only need to assimilate, they need to bring themselves into the 21st century and leave the 14th century where it belongs - in the past. No murdering, mayhem or female circumcision allowed just because “that is the way we have done it for thousands of years back in the old country.” You want that luxury, go aback to the old country; you don't need or deserve your new country until you are ready to participate in a civilized manner – with THIS civilizations constraints.

Break the law and you pay the price, if you don’t like the law, change the law. THAT is the method you get to use because you are a part of a society now where change is allowed.

[wr]

Our problems aren't just muslim. We have Asian gangs taking over major cities as well and it's certainly not intended for the average immigrant that simply wants to move to our country and start a new life and many have. It's too bad that the police are always monitoring the Hell's Angels but seem to turn their backs on the asian gangs - one is equally as dangerous to the general public as the other. This is simply a comment from Quebec, who agressively protects it's own provincial identity to those that may wish to come into their province and try to force cultural change.

[nancy1340]

*It's too bad that the police are always monitoring the Hell's Angels but seem to turn their backs on the asian gangs - one is equally as dangerous to the general public as the other. *

"one is equally as dangerous to the general public as the other."

You obviously don't know Jack about the Hell's Angles.
No, I am not a Hell's Angle's ol' lady. But as a rule of thumb if the general public leaves them alone they leave you alone. The Asian gang's doesn't respect anyone. And NO I don't think they are the "good guys".

There is only one "biker" ( ::) ) here that goes to events they help sponsor and it AIN'T me.

[wr]

I actually know more than most about the Angels because many years ago, I lived in an area of Calgary that was developing into one of those trendy upscale neighborhoods but my street wasn't at that point yet so I shared the street with many of them and it was the greatest neighborhood a gal could ask for. *We had no crime, neighborhood watch was the best and they were always civil and polite to me. *I actually lost my basset hound and one of the guys had taken him in. *I couldn't figure out how else to thank them so I took homemade cookies over every time the little beast escaped the yard and I can assure you that nobody bothered my place and I was treated with the greatest respect and became known as 'Little Sis'. *They generally don't want too create public messes and they take care of their problems quietly. *We don't find the same with the Asian gangs, they like to make their hits quite public, including tossing bodies out of vehicles and shootouts in restaraunts and such which harms innocents. *

We have had situations down east where the biker wars have been played out on the streets and it has gotten messy and harmed innocents but it's very rare.

[SARGUY]

I m from Canada and I do not think we are intolerant,but if these immigrants refuse to obey our laws and want to change the country heres an idea for them.Go back to whatever third world cess pool you came from and change it,we were doing fine before you got here and will continue to do OK after you leave,GOODBYE!