Jerico

[Mysticdream44]

Did anyone watch the new tv show Jerico? About a town that sees a nuclear cloud in the far distance and what happens in the town.
What did any of you think of it, and I'm not talking about the acting or the plot, but about what it shows happening at the stores and gas stations, people carrying guns, etc. How realistic do you think any of that was?

[Faye]

I watched it and thought it was right on about what will happen. Maybe not quite that quickly but at some point. I liked the show but part of that may be anticipation because I have been looking forward to seeing it since I saw the first preview.

[hillbilly_mom]

We watched it. When we saw the gas station scene DH and I looked at each other and asked, "How are they getting gas without electricity?" ??? But, the way the people were acting about the gas were what I envision how people would act in a situation like that. People are prone to panic if they don't have a plan in place. Most people don't have a plan because they don't want to think about what if shtf stuff. IF shtf I will be staying home, hunkered down letting the rest of the world go nuts. I am as prepared as I can be in our financial situation. Sure I would love to be a millionaire and have tons of money to drop on my dreams. But I do what I can with what God gave me.

[mkh100]

Intersting to me that there was some mention (by the police chief?) that they didnt need any "civilians" to help. That sounded pretty real >:(

Im gonna give it another show or two......I bet the show gets pulled mid season.....or degenerates to a soap - opera and becomes just pathetic. No way the sheeple are gonna stay glued to a show on survivalism.....not when you have fat people over on six and all their drama and a bunch of maderately famous has beens "dancing" over on channel 4.

[tufhelp]

“Jericho” has all the earmarks of yet another liberal media platform to “educate” all of us on the PC way to think about the world as they see it. It was loaded with propaganda and glittering generalities – for instance – the wayward son returning home drives down “main” street and we see from his point of view a store window with Guns, Ammo & Gifts signage in the window, cut back to him slightly shaking his head and the knowing smirk of “That’s how it is out here in the sticks dealing with redneck gun nuts...”

Add to that the pervasive “Can’t we all just get along?” flavor of every single interaction and the inevitable assurances by the local government of “Just go back to your homes, everything is all right and we’ll take care of everything…” drivel and you have the makings of a simpering, unrealistic PC take on what would/should happen if there were a SHTF situation. Just remember the level of intense happenings and total lack of anything constructive being done by local and state government in New Orleans with the hurricane. Looting, shooting, raping, you name it, and that was just one natural disaster with plenty of warning ahead of time, regionalized and limited to a reasonably small geographic area. By contrast to nuclear war, very small peanuts but a very telling thumbnail look at what will really happen when a SHTF situation does erupt.

The goberment won’t save you, they won’t help you, they will only turn their back on you except of course if you happen to have something they want or think they need, and then they will commandeer it “for the public good” and then turn their back on you. Can you actually believe the a stern talking to by the mayor’s son will stem the panic and mob mentality at the local gas station… come on!

[Jeep]

I am going to see a couple of more episodes before I decide. The one thing that I see that may be coming is the only true "survivalist" is the nut with the ham radio. He will be the one with the food, weapons, and ammo. The guys getting out of the pickup truck with the shotguns was typical hollywood "rednecks with guns".

[jim]

What night/time does it come on?

[chloe3388]

It comes on wed. at 7.. Not bad show..Going to keep watching, see if it doesn't go all PC..

chloe

[jim]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

jim

[Shadow]

Back in the 1960's there was a book Alas Babalon that was written along the same senirio. Get a copy and even though its almost fifty years old it still has some very thought provoking ideas.
I have not seen the new series but it is the same, a small town, the books in Florida, survives a atomic bomb war untouched, then what happens in the aftermath. To us old survierlist it was a must read. But do not eat the armidallos.

[Geoff]

Travelling through Italy in the 70's we stopped in N Italy for gas. As the attendant was pumping the power went out. He didn't hesitate and opened the bottom of the pump, pulled out a crank and pumped the rest of the tankful by hand! The dials even worked, but they were not the liquid crystal type we have nowadays.

Wonder if US pumps can be hand cranked?

[Weezin]

Yep, Shadow
A good read, "Alas Babylon" by Pat Franks , 1st. published March 1959.
Im cheating, looking at my copy.

JERICO.. The ex-cop from St.Louis , Robert Hawkins may be the voice of reason in the long run. With "turn on the lights" and black out the name of the town on the squad cars....
We'll see......

Noticed at COSTCO last week in Anchorage, a whole aisle of long shelf-life emergency rations, F.S.R. radios and hand crank
flash-lights/AM-FM radios......
Very interesting...........Dennis.....................

[wolfe]

I've read "Alas Babylon" twice and loved it. When I saw the ads for the show I wondered if it was based on the book. A must read for all of us.

[Suzy]

I NEVER EVER watch regular network TV but that show was on last night at my mama's and I watched the ENTIRE episode...

One thing that I wondered....even with all the electricity out and their phone lines down and even with most cell phones not working, wouldn't someone with some other source of power and a sattellite hook up be still able to see what was going on in the rest of the world...

or someone with other sources of power with sattellite TV should have been able to see what was going on in the rest of the world...

even if they bombed all the major cities in the US there should have been TV reports, news, or emails from SOMEWHERE....

but the show's premise is that they are completely cut off and I just don't see that happening with techology the way it is now....

what do ya'll think???

[hillbilly_mom]

Could they be trying to say that the radiation and fallout is blocking any signals from getting through? I didn't get to watch it all, since I was cooking supper the same time it was on. I had to listen to most of it. Was the mayor able to talk to anyone on the ham radio?

[jim]

EMP will take care of most of those conveniences.

jim

[madengr]

I have seen allot of people worrying about EMP effects. In reality an EMP has to be deliberately induced by a high altitude airburst. Ground burts yield little EMP except in a short radius, where EMP is the least of ones worries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

[jim]

Power lines carry it a long ways away from the initial point of impact/detonation, and distribute the benefits of EMP in a somewhat irratic manner. Some places miles away will be knocked out (power stations?), and others closer in won't be effected.

jim

[Tightwad]

Movies,radio & TV have long been used to shape public opinion
or prepare the public for some known social change or disaster. *
*
After watching this "show" twice I firmly believe this is the *
motivation behind it the same as the old "Duck & cover" *
films of the 1950's when I was a kid. *
*
Makes one wonder just what the U.S. gov't is up to next. *
Don't think so? Remember that the world has to many humans
now. A few million wouldn't be missed on the grand scale of Gov't
planning because they are considered 'collateral damage".
Katrina & 9/11 proved that. *

[jim]

Missed last night, but watched it online. I'm guessing that our hero is an ex-con or something of the sort.

Many things I would have done differently.

I wonder if the towns folk will get "ruthless" with the criminal element?

jim

[Faye]

I think our hero is ex-CIA or some kind of covert agency. He knows to much to just be some crook.

[hillbilly_mom]

I was wondering how the two "bad guys" didn't hear the "hero" drive up. We live where it isn't flat and can still hear someone driving up from a mile away. No way they couldn't have heard him driving up. ::)

[Weezin]

Hero ?

Do you mean the mayors son , ex -army, navy and baseball player. does emergency tracheotomy.
My monies still on the ex- cop from St.Louis. The one at the end of last nights show sticking the pins in the map.....Dennis

[hillbilly_mom]

I think the ex cop from St Louis is a government man from the word go. Especially after telling his wife that he knew his children would be safe there. He knows what is going on when no one else does. I think he is going to be the one they turn into the new sheriff and he is going to be the one that ends up being the "bad" guy in the end. Especially since he knew all of those cities had been hit. How in the world would he know that, unless he had an outside source telling him that? When he took himself into his little room and shut the door I figured that this was the room where he communicated with the rest of the goverment people. Plus the way he commanded his son to get his daughter was too "military" for me.

[Jerngen]

Especially since he knew all of those cities had been hit. *How in the world would he know that, unless he had an outside source telling him that? *When he took himself into his little room and shut the door I figured that this was the room where he communicated with the rest of the goverment people..
He got the list of cities from the radio. Someone was sending it out in Morse code. He listened and translated it. The reason he didn't tell anyone right then is because there was enough turmoil in the air, trying to get everyone into the shelters.
I rarely watch tv but will watch this one until it turns into a soap opera as most of them do.

[MNMOM]

When he was writing down the information from the morse code being sent out, it struck me funny, you never hear about the morse code anymore.

[Weezin]

Morse code is still use on SW and SSB.
I haven't used it for years, but I can still copy about 8 words a minute.
When I first started going to sea we carried a radio operator as part of the crew. Even today Ham's have to pass a code test at 40 wpm to get their General ticket.
As was said, I think he just wanted to keep the info under wraps until everyone was safe and under cover.
........................Dennis............

[nancy1340]

Even today Ham's have to pass a code test at 40 wpm to get their General ticket.


I thought that requirement was ending this year .

[jim]

What is the easiest/best way to learn the code?

[Weezin]

Jim..
I took a class back in High School. Our teacher was a real radio Geek. ( the term geek wasn't even coined yet. )1964 so now you can figure how old I am.
We started every class , 1st 15 minutes of sending and receiving CW.
Guess it worked because it's still in my head.....

Did a check on the net and this seems like a good place to start

http://www.cvil.wustl.edu/~gary/Ham/morse_learn.html

Good Luck.......................Dennis...............

[hillbilly_mom]

He got the list of cities from the radio. Someone was sending it out in Morse code. He listened and translated it. The reason he didn't tell anyone right then is because there was enough turmoil in the air, trying to get everyone into the shelters.
I rarely watch tv but will watch this one until it turns into a soap opera as most of them do.



Ahhhh, thanks for explaining that to me. Once again I was cooking supper while it was on. I have a TV in the kitchen, but trying to cook and watch is pretty much hard to do at the same time.

Any ideas of who was sending him the morse code? Especially when his wife said that she knew he always knew what was going on. When he sent his son up to get his daugher he sounded military to me. Not sure why, but it was the abrupt way he did it.

[jim]

Thanks for the link Weezin

I noticed the Missouri ex cop risked his life by suiting up and moving a steel drum during the storm from a storage unit and then began to wall it up in his basement. I what is going on with that?

jim

[spygrl]

Panic....panic.....panic....and mayhem! While this show is Hollywood made it does have some good pointers.

That ex-cop knows something! It is all mysterious! I too wondered what he was sealing off with all those concrete blocks and that drum. Also the older guy that died in the mine.....I know I kind of don't like crowded spaces. I also wondered if it was a nuclear fallout shower, would it not be unsafe to be branching outside without some protection? I am just wondering.

[Archangel]

I finially had a chance to watch it last night, a friend had taped all three shows. I loved it, a few laughs.

The gas station was my favorite, it showed how people can turn. The point of no electric, no pump workie was missed, the older model had hank crancks.

The long lost son and Ex- cop add some spice. My kicker is with all that supplies and no EB radio. ::) Did I miss something or did the HAM radio operator fail to come back with the change and use the radio.

I think it will turn into a soap but fun till it gets there. That's my 2-cents, MIchael

[Faye]

I still think the son is the hero and the ex-cop is going to turn out to be the bad guy. Wonder what is in the drum? Also, remember the brother coming in from the rain and saying there was a line of tankers on the highway? Hummmmmmmmm!

[jim]

I thought he said "tanks" on the highway.

jim

[TNDadx4]

I thought that he said "tanks", too. I also remember in a preview someone comes to town and says "...they're coming"

It certainly makes me think about preparation, though.

[jajbellsouthnet]

For what it's worth.....back in the early 80's I worked on developing a battlefield computer for the Army. It was a demoralizing exercise in futility. We finally agreed that the only way to avoid the EMP problem was to know when the device was going to be detonated and make sure your computer was in a Faraday cage when it happened. Involves Compton electrons, etc.. It helps generally robust electronics if it is disconnected from the grid and has an power cord no longer than 26". At least that is the way it was in 1981. Too bad we didn't have today's cars to test it one. I think lack of transportation and cellphones will drive most of the population over the edge in short order. As a part of the program, I had to read several papers on the likely behavior of society in a post-nuclear exchange environment. Nasty. Very nasty. Be sure you are a long way from the big cities. Or medium cities for that matter.

[Faye]

You could be right and I misunderstood what he said.This one really confused me so if they air it again as they have the first two I will watch it again.

[Weezin]

Hi All:

No Emp, the radio's are still working.
Any idea what was in those containers Robert Harkins pulled out of the storage lockers, after he suited up.
....................................Dennis........ ........................

[tufhelp]

I know he opened up a "Pelican" hard shell case that was stuffed with AR-15 like weapons while he was getting the mysterious drum, did anyone else see that?

But please, realistic? Lets just say for the conservative estimate that there really is only 1% of the population that is just bad, hard core biker like bad a$$ people, that would be a minimum of 50 people in their 5,000 population town. We all know that even small towns have their "element" which is fringe at best.

Not once, but twice the mayors in town son gives a stern talking to some of the problem folks and quells the situations (gas station and in the bar just before the big storm to the tough guys that ain't going nowhere, no how!) and everything is just honky dory. There is no shooting, looting, theiving, raping, commandeering (except for the grocery store goods...), gang/mob like activities, just all of the good hearted souls of Jericho lining up like good sheeple and doing the local gooberments bidding, all for the common good.

You know the black guy who knows Morse, has the storage locker with survival gear, survival shelter in the basement, stocked with what not and is well versed on atomic survival - most of you seem to be leery of him. He is US, those that strive to be prepared and ready for the SHTF situations that could arise. Knowledgeable and ready to react and adjust and survive while the rest go down in flames. It is a soap opera of the ugliest kind, teaching the sheeple how to act in a PC manner if there ever was a atomic situation.

It has so many holes in the story line you could drive a semi through them all... somewhat interesting fair, but for other reasons – seeing how they want us to act and react and planning around those propaganda attempts. Know the enemy…

[Archangel]

tufhelp,
I have to disagree on a couple of points. I've been through a few bad things and mostly people will work together. Second not many of us have second names. What would you think so important to go out in the rain for? Small town poeple tend to work together, because they know each other. Just my 2-cents worth, Michael

[tufhelp]

Archangel, I’m not disagreeing with the premise that most of the everyday folks might cooperate (in the initial first days anyway). I’m saying that they are glossing over the probable real life ugliness that would most certainly exist. New Orleans shows us that within hours there were all kinds of mayhem, and that wasn’t even close to the magnitude of an atomic attack. Even in this PC white bread Middle American town, there would be at least some out of control activities. Statistics alone would allow for at least some near-do-wells that would not give a hoot about the stern talking to from the deputy mayor, they would be making hay while the sun was shining so to speak.

[Archangel]

You are right there, my lady pointed out two guys fresh out of jail with two women and nothing. DA ::) :o ::) And why the bad guys just did not go after fuel with a hacksaw. I want a rosey picture. ;D :) ;D Mike

[Weezin]

Archangel:
Your right , people do stick together.
Heres what happened in my neck of the woods in the last couple of days.
http://www.adn.com/news/environment/story/8292428p-8188960c.html

Two shelters were set up for dislaced persons, No takers , stayed with friends etc.....
........................Dennis

[Archangel]

Dennis,
Thank You I needed that today. mike

[blackpowderbill]

I worked in a gas station in the early 70's during teh 1st shortage. It is not the bad criminal element you have to worry about. I had guys in suits realy to get tough.
Women and people fighting in the road and parking lots.
Threats and all that crap. I can't remember how many people I tossed around that summer.

They all thought because I was 18+_ I could be intimidated easely.
I had worked in my uncles stations since 12 yrs old and had 4 years of karate & 33 ring fights under my belt & I can even remember how many bar room dances.
LMAO
And I carried a shotgun in the car. What a group of loonies...then again in 1980 or so another shortage and the same fools again. ::)

Ice storms people flip out..I could do without the internet and phone systems.

But when the power plants & water pumping stations go down WOW look out.

I saw Red Dawn on the tube last night...One almost wonders if hollyweird is nothing more that an extention of the government proproganda medium.

Lets see what happens when Korea drops their test bomb---think Japan will attack them?

I don't think my neighbors will be much help..they don't even call when I leave my headlights on. ???

[blackpowderbill]

I went to check out what time it is on as I missed the last 2 episodes..WOW can not believe it was not blocked here at work.. Just saw the last 2 shows.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/jericho/photos.php?photo=7

[tufhelp]

on Oct 8th, 2006, 8:35pm, tufhelp wrote:
But please, realistic? Lets just say for the conservative estimate that there really is only 1% of the population that is just bad, hard core biker like bad a$$ people, that would be a minimum of 50 people in their 5,000 population town. We all know that even small towns have their "element" which is fringe at best.

My Reply: *
I have read and reread the above quoted post and really find it insulting. *The 1%ers I know, and I know a few, would be at home taking care of their families. *A few years ago our area was hit by the worse winter storm in our history. *The 1%ers were making sure their families were warm and safe from the "elements" not out robbing, etc. *

Remember New Orleans - how many bikers did you see looting and stealing television sets even though there was no electricity? * Now, think about the "element" you did see doing it. *It takes a real dumb a$$ to steal something on camera, especially something you cannot even use. *That is the "element" you better watch out for because they are too willing to take what you have instead of preparing for themselves. *


I am sorry that you took such umbrage with my characterization of the bad elements within any given population. Suffice it to say of course all motorcycle enthusiasts are either incapable of acting in a humane manner and or are all actually 1%ers.

"1 %er" motorcycle clubs, a euphemism for clubs that are considered "outlaw bikers" by most citizens . The phrase was adopted by the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club after the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) claimed that 99% of motorcycle riders were law-abiding citizens, while the remaining one percent misrepresented the family-oriented motorcycle culture that the AMA was attempting to perpetuate.

But it would not be a true characterization to ignore all of these extremely large organized “outlaw” motorcycle gangs throughout the United States whose sole means of income revolves around stealing, drugs (manufacturing and selling), prostitution, pornography, strong arm protection and extortion rackets. Now if that is not a bunch of nefarious groups I guess I don’t know what is. That aside, the idea of the example was not to paint all of the wanna-be 1%er motorcycle buffs who wear their “colors” and tow the civilized line with the same brush but to put a point on the nature of the beast that happens to include that element of the population.

Just for a little further calcification, my description was caged to draw a comparison of the caliber of the bad folks, inferring how bad these possible bad guys might be, not your regular neighbors running amok. Anyway, my apologies to you and those commendable bikers that do not fulfill the label I hung on them.

[edward_4576]

I just had a thought... :o

I've noticed a few posts here mentioning the guy with the barrel and the anti-radiation suit. Now a few posts were positive about the guy and few weren't. I bet the speculation will continue on the boards here but in the end I wonder if the guys not gonna end up being the bad guy. Follow me on this.

Could this be a way to condition the sheeple on how bad us "survivalists" are?

Could this be a way to teach the sheeple on how to identify us bad "survivalists"?

What do you think?

[TNDadx4]

I think that he has something to do with it with the secret "toughbook" laptop, email about a traitor, new identities for his family and his questioning of the stranger from Denver. It makes me wonder when he said something about "it was supposed to be only families"... hmmm

[blackpowderbill]

I want that laptop..LOL

I think he may of knew of the impending attack and he with other families after 911 decided to move to locations where they could all meet up;
At a predetermined spot where supplies and an easily defensible position..but off the beaten trail.
The barrel--a bug out kit enough goodies to get his family to the ronny spot. 4 rifles 1 for each family member.

The hospital generator was a diesel not gasoline.
Which surprises me as many are natural gas gen sets.

I think Steph committed suicide...

[MNMOM]

I don't think that he is the father of those two children, it was sort of like brainwashing when he had his talk with the young boy, he said to him, " now who is your father?" The young boy replied, "you are."
The mother seems to be far removed from the rest of the family members, and seems frightened.

[TNDadx4]

<puts on conspiracy hat>

I'm wondering if he is part of a team of intelligence agents and saboteurs that were trying to take down the US...

Jericho = "and the walls came tumbling down"

I think the traitor was one of his "team" who decided to tell the US of their activities.

His activities seem somewhat hidden from his family, although they certainly know a little because of the naming.

I think the "now who is your father?" / "you are." line was sarcasm from the boy, but them again I have no idea :)

The guns, bug out kit, and his knowledge of events does seem to place him in an interesting position.

<takes off conspiracy hat>

[blackpowderbill]

ya know what ;)..I just did a quick cyber search..and in 1966 their was a show with the same name...

*Drama / war type..

ANDDD episode 4 is name "walls of Jerico".

[TNDadx4]

Wow... that's really interesting. I was thinking of the song that I heard in Bible camp when I was a kid, but it is an intersting coincidence.

[RangerRick]

My travels are finally done for a bit and thought I'd check back in. Hi all.

I find the show a bit silly and most situations therein unrealistic to the extreme. I also find it interesting that Hollywood would intentionally produce a show of this type and intentionally give it a setting in Jerico, a city destroyed by God because it was in the path of His ark. Is there a sinister connection, ummm?

The Hebrew name for Jericho is Yeriho. It literally means 'Moon City' - the city dedicated to the Moon god, Sin.

Personally, I think the better setting would have been San Francisco.

;D

Ranger Rick

[Weezin]

Nobody has mentioned the drill Robt Hawkins put on his family..
Getting the family history straight!!
*Witness protection program or ??
............................Dennis................ ..

[MNMOM]

I mentioned it.

[hillbilly_mom]

DS and I were wondering about the "long lost son" who returned to town. DS made a point of noticing that the son was wearing dog tags when he came out of the shower. Does this mean that he was in the service and the mayor/father didn't like it? What was the son doing in the service that the mayor didn't like? Sniper? Covert Ops? The son knows a lot of stuff that a "normal" guy wouldn't know.

I did notice that they finally came around to addressing the "looting" that the people were doing, but not on a grand scale you would think they would be doing. Yet they didn't show any looting going on. They just asked the guy to become a deputy to help control the situation of looting.

And the other son of the mayor gets ticked because everyone wants to keep their gas? Get real. I wouldn't give up any of my gas. If the town isn't prepared... tough tootie. It is my job to prepare my family, not the town.

[jim]

And notice where that 75 gallons went. To the bar so he can get something on the side later. Now that is a bureaucrat in action. ::)

jim

[tufhelp]

Did you catch the set up for confiscating private property? The mayor told his boy that they may have to be a little less polite when asking for gas…

I must have missed the looting mention, glad they finally addressed it, all I heard was the “teens” were doing some malicious mischief or words to that effect and that is why they were recruiting Hawkins for policing duty.

[scoutinlife]

Yes you have to love the fact in a SHTF the bar is still going and getting fuel for it is a priority as well! ;D. Also interesting como is out and Hawkins laptop works!!!! MMMM makes you wonder and nice twist when the wayward son who returns has Dogtags on when he gets out of the shower. Explains more of his interesting knowledge all and all I like the show.

[Archangel]

I'm getting cuaght up in the show, I like it. The good son is not that good and the bad son is not that bad.
I loved when the good son had 75 gallons and the wife said "we" took care of it. ;D
How did you like how Hawkins got him out so he could talk to victor alone.
A town out of the way, supplies on hand, planning ahead. Could the media want to make US look bad? Or maybe suggest the USA get ready they are a major target? ;D :) ;D My 2- cent Michael

[Mysticdream44]

What I find totally crazy in this espisode was the little rich girl having a party. Where were her parents? Were they killed? It didn't seem to bother her. And the bar is open and people are sitting there drinking beer and playing pool. Come on!! ::) Would you be doing that or would you being doing your best to try and get supplies, meds, firearms, water, gas/disel fuel, wood for winter. I know that is what I'd be doing, not sitting in a bar or having a party.
I admit I do like the show, but I think that what they are showing on some things is crazy. Shows like this in my opinion should be educating the public, even in a quiet way...how many fools will go out now and get gas to put in a disel generator for instance? Or come out of their shelters a couple of hours after a blast? :( All because they watched this show, and never did any preps or research? I know...I know this is hollywood and I probley shouldn't expect any better ::). Still it just doesn't seem responiable for any network to have a show with such errors, when people (sheeple) may be watching and take to heart what they are seeing as lessons on how to survive a nuclear blast should it ever happen. That is JMHO.

[tufhelp]

One of the incongruent parts of the show to me is that the bar apparently is doing business as usual, presumably exchanging the now really worthless money for goods (booze) and the grocery store being “looted” by the town for the good of the “people” – why didn’t the store get paid for the goods, all be it still with worthless currency?

Another is the lack of even rudimentary actions to conserve the precious recourses they do have. The bar seemed to be running lights, bar signs, and presumably beverage coolers and icemakers and a big screen television. Instead they could monitor a very small TV then switch to the big screen if anything besides the same loop of visuals played hour after hour after hour. When they went to see if the could help/save the refuges outside of town, they took multiple vehicles, lots of vehicles, instead of maybe say a school bus that would have more than likely have fuel in it, be big enough to gather all the refuges and not tax the already dwindling fuel reserves in town. After the public meeting in the church (had maybe 100’ish people present) People left and used flashlights for finding their way home – mostly in twos and threes, each with a flashlight and all of them turned on simultaneously – not at least conserving batteries and use one flashlight per group (if they even actually needed a flashlight at all) and save the other one.

Enough carping, but just one more thing, how will they disseminate the information/pep talk to the other 4,900’ish people in town? All heart felt and what passes for dramatic effect, but as with most the efforts – useless.

[Archangel]

What is. "That is JMHO. "?
Remember it show time and it has been less than a week after the blast. Mommy and Daddy dumped her and ran off to NY city. We're not talking close family here. Most people don't want to be alone, so have a party. Check out the house Paid cash for it, generator big enought to run the whole place, what next?

[jim]

Since I know I'll be badly disappointed, I'm not watching for anything but gross failures (plenty of them).

One thing for sure, if there was a town intact like that, you could bet your sweet behind that there would be some idiots partying to the last. Beats facing reality I guess. ::)

I did like the grocer lady's answer to the gasoline request. She already donated plenty thank you. Maybe some of them will get some gumption.

jim

[MNMOM]

I think the rich teenage girl's parents were killed in one of the cities where the bomb's were dropped.

[Mysticdream44]

JMHO means: Just my humble opinion.

[Archangel]

Have you noticied the guns have disappeared? MOS

[lost1]

I'll bet it goes the "only really bad guys have guns" bit.

[Mysticdream44]

So did anyone one watch Jerico tonight? What did you think? I thought it was just a bit predictable about the sprinklers coming on in the Library just as they were about to be over come with smoke ::). Somehow in real life I don't think that would happen. But it did get somewhat interesting at the end when you saw missles going off :o. Next week people will start taking the law into their own hands and it should be interesting to see how that is played out.

[blackpowderbill]

yea waited all week to watch.. ??? What happened to the train of food? IMHO that out weights much of their BS they went through tonight.

Looks like the base line in the show is preparedness.notice that when something important is need it is broken.
hospital with only one AMBU bag and no mouth pieces for mouth to mouth,Shelters as storage, fire systems, gas station with no generator,
Everyone is clueless on equipment operattions except for 3 people.

The show has to many open clues and jumps around to much. That I feel makes the story loose it believability.

Well, for as much as hollyweird can give us. ;D

Bill

[hillbilly_mom]

Sooooooo, does anyone else think the dude with the laptop sent the missles off?

It is already turning into a soap. Who cares if the mayor's son is or isn't sleeping with the bar keep?

[Gatorbait]

Hello everyone, I have been reading posts on here for quite sometime and finally decided to register. I also thought I could contribute to this discussion by giving some discrepancies that I have seen. Overall I like the show in fact I was almost late for work this morning because I did not want to stop the tape from last night. The first discrepancy I saw was if it only took two hours for a storm to reach them from Denver then they must be located on the western edge of Kansas. If that is true then there would be no salt mine for them to go into since the KS salt mines are located in Central Kansas (Lyons, Hutchinson). In last nights episode they said they would try and get in touch with the National Guard base in Great Bend. There is only a National Guard Armory there meaning very few full time workers to answer the phone. I realize they would have been activated, but Goodland, Colby or even Hays would have been closer for them.
Oh I forgot to mention that I know this stuff because I am originally from south central KS my wife is from Great Bend and my Grandparents had a farm in NW KS. Feel free to shoot my remarks down but I thought I could share some Geographical context to the show.

[jim]

Nope, the spook (spy) didn't launch the missiles. That's a very complicated thing requiring at least "The Football". I don't think there are any silo's in that area either, so one couldn't see a missile launch from Kansas. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

jim

[Gatorbait]

Jim, I want to say there use to be a missile defense site of some kind NNE of Quinter KS or at least thats what we called it as kids whether or not it had any missiles I don't know.

[nightshift]

I saw most of the same errors but try to look at it as entertainment. I look at it as anytown USA as most folks don't know Kansas. I think the returning son is ex-seal/special forces or similiar. Hawkins, the "spy" is either a high level. My bet is he is ours though CIA/Homeland defense "operative" or less likely a long term foreign plant. (Like a sleeper cell). I am enjoying it even with errors.

[jim]

I got to wondering if he was some type of smuggler or something. He'd learn all the same stuff for the most part, only quicker. I'm just going to watch and enjoy too.
jim

[Faye]

I'm enjoying it but somehow it doesn't seem very realistic. That may be because we are able to see what is happening with a lot of people whereas in real life we couldn't. Did anyone see the gun they used for leverage to open the water pump? At the end Hawkins found a profile of Jake on his computer. Couldn't miss that smile he had. By the by, I care if the mayor's son is fooling around on his wife. I'm rooting for family.

[Archangel]

Jim how do you get to it on lline? Mike

[jim]

I went to CBS.com and then looked at current shows and followed to Jericho.

jim

[chloe3388]

I just got through watching the latest episode, that counter strike was scary..

I have to watch it online seems like I never get to it when it is on TV..

[blackpowderbill]

not for nuthin, but all that fantastic knowledge is nothign but normal everyday stuff to some folks.
I mean , using a pool to fight a fire..backwash mode.
That drum pump they used for the gas station would no way have the suction to lift fuel 20 feet up.

Now their is an intresting idea, "government sleeper cells"!! No shift ! I wonder how many their really are??
;)

Past all the BS the show is OK I'd rate it a 6-7.

Government sleeper cells ready to cause CHAOS to keep everyone in fear.

Hummm , looks like job for moose and squirrel.

[jim]

What took so freaking long for the counter strike. Fifteen minutes should have been more than enough time to start. ::)

I think most folks here know as much or more than the show's heros. Most country folks wouldn't do the stupid things I've seen, but that's showbiz.

jim

[Archangel]

Good News it has been picked up for a full season. Maybe old news, Michael

[Archangel]

I was watching last week's show and it caught the scene where he says "I was a pool man, too" If that is not a OH S##t line I've never heard one. Looking forward to tonight. Michael

[Mysticdream44]

Well I watched tonight and I think alot of what we were seeing was pretty good, like the bad guys from Jakes past stealing the horses, and the food that kid found on the wrecked train.
And even the lady at the store demanding half that mans crop for pesticide. But the ending was lame, we came to help harvest your corn, no strings ::). I DON'T see that happening. And the lady from the IRS threatening the farmer with the corn that the goverment was going to take his farm for taxes, but she would deduct her room & board from his tax bill. I know she is a sheeple, but come on she has to know that the goverment has other things on their plate, if the goverment is still there that is. I admit I'm hooked on the show, but I wish they would show more reality type stuff, that is what will help people if the reat SHTF were to take place, they may see it on this show and remember.

[hillbilly_mom]

I liked the fact that the father was teaching his daughter how to shoot the gun and finally came "clean" to her about some stuff. No sense in keeping them in the dark about the SHTF, when she can obviously see that something went down.

Anyone want to bet that the mayor is going to die and his wife will be the new mayor?

I agree with the corn thing. No way was everyone going to come help pick the corn with no strings attached. Then again we would come help out our neighbors here, but I can't see a whole town doing it. I am talking about the 4 or 5 families that live within 3 miles of us. We help out each other all the time, but there is no way the town folks are going to come to my place and help us or any of them out. ::)

[Gatorbait]

What caught my eye was when the farmer made the comment that he is not the only farmer so why us he being singled out. I have been thinking that it is strange that we haven't seen anyother farmers in the show. I also that all of the large floppy straw hats at the end were a bit cheesy and made them look a little too much like country bumbkins. I know people where them and thats fine. I am just going off of much knowledge of Kansas most of the people would be wearing either cowboy hats or ball caps with their favorite implement, seed brand of sports team ie. K-State Wildcats (will maybe not this year).

[Tightwad]

Large brimmed hats will,in time, become the norm
due to loss of ozone to protect humans from the
suns rays (and maybe radiation?).

I've recently stopped wearing ball caps due to sun burn
on my neck and ears. I find the brimmed hats to be much
cooler just as they always were. *;D

This TV show may be a bit wacky & overdone but there are
some truths in it to learn from.

P.S. the Bush adminstration now has in hand a approved plan to
use first strike nukes at any time the President wants to use them.
Congress would not be involved in the decision to use them at all.
Ain't that a kick in the head. ::) ::)

[jim]

The Presidents have always had that option. This is nothing new.
jim

[Tightwad]

The Presidents have always had that option. This is nothing new.
jim

UMMMM....NO. Now the president has first strike without congress
approval which is why the congressmens letter. All Bush has to
do is.............push the button. ::) ::)

[jim]

He's ALWAYS had that option. We never could wait for Congress to get their act together before we could launch whether it was a retaliation or first strike. I don't care what law was just passed, the ability and power has always been there. The Prez wouldn't need "The Football" if he had to wait for Congress. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Just curious, have you spent any time in the military?
jim

[blackpowderbill]

First strike, you can bet whom ever launches first within 15 mins the other side will launch as well. It all depends on who can hit ground first!.

I can imagine huge atmospheric fire storms from the surface to air counter strike missiles exploding airborne nukes.


I just finished reading Alas Babylon this week.
That was one good book on SHTF for 1959!

[Tightwad]

Just curious, have you spent any time in the military?


This has no bearing on this thread.

[jim]

So you're afraid to admit you have no background and therefore aren't qualified to make the statements you have?
jim

[Tightwad]

So you're afraid to admit you have no background and therefore aren't qualified to make the statements you have?
jim

Hmmmm......No, I'm not "afraid" of anything... even you. As to
my qualifications and how I got them.........that's none of your
business. A person's military background in this thread is not
relevant to this thread.

You can stop now with all the baiting..........

It does no one any good. ::) ::)

[Mysticdream44]

Ok, this is a discussion about the tv show and weather anything on the show, shows a bit of realityabout what might happen. Let not bait each other here :( . Weather someone has a military background or not is not relevent on this thread. You can be very well read and not have a military background. So lets just try and get along, ok?

[jim]

I'm not the one baiting or making erronious statements. I do however have the background, knowledge and experience to know what I'm talking about. The statements i made are fact, and I dare anyone that doesn't believe me to check it out with the proper authorities. And by proper, I don't mean some screwball bloggers. Do you even know what DARPA means?

I simply ask that Tightwad prove me wrong, but he can't and he knows it.

jim

[DavidOH]

"One almost wonders if hollyweird is nothing more that an extention of the government proproganda medium. "

More and more so.....

"Could this be a way to condition the sheeple on how bad us "survivalists" are?

Could this be a way to teach the sheeple on how to identify us bad "survivalists"? "

Yes, anyone with more than 1 can of food must be hording. ::)

"I'll bet it goes the "only really bad guys have guns" bit."



Saw the first two. Loved your comments! ;D
I think I like watching it online.

[blackpowderbill]

DavidOH wrote: "One almost wonders if hollyweird is nothing more that an extention of the government proproganda medium. "

Thank You David

I tell this to people and they look at me like I'm nutz!
Look at the 911 movie out just in time to ask for more money and help boost or question the canidates up for elections.

I told the misses the other night that teh amine cartoons are starting to have more of a real story line.
Really they are trying to be as real as possible, when the live actors are trying to play make believe. :o

I do think in the end it will turn out like a soap.

[Mysticdream44]

Jim I'm not trying to start a fight here, I'm simply asking everyone to try and get along. I'm sure you have plenty of experience & knowledge that the rest of us don't have. So lets just try and get along with each other, without being condensing ok? Weather you realize it or not, that is how some of your comments come across.

[Weezin]

This show may or may not turn into a soap opera.
It may be criticized by folks that feel they are prepared better than the average Joe.
Whats happening is that the average Joe is watching this show and starting to think.....Hopefully......
Just a thought.........Dennis....

[tufhelp]

Good point Weezin. I got locked in on the improbables and overlooked the point that it is bound to start some to thinking about survival and preparedness, and maybe even self-sufficiency. We all started someplace…

[edward_4576]

Just a thought but couldn't this program be a way for hollywierd to attract a growing number of a certain type of individuial (i.e. US)?

[meancoyote]

ive been watching this show from the begining online, and i dont see how the show is making "survivalist" look bad? must be missing it.

[Archangel]

I think there are two ways to project the show; people who are into SR are bad guys taking what they want or everyone needs to be into SR? My vote is still out? Michael

[mangyhyena]

I've enjoyed watching Jerico so far. I don't think it will turn into a soap, though. So far it is an events-driven show with some character-driven side stories. I guess that could change, but I hope not. And I don't mind the side stories as they keep my interest, especially Hawkins and what he's up to.

Yes, there are inaccuracies. But all in all I hope it gets other folks thinking about preparedness and self sufficiency, as stated in an above post. Further, I hope they show some survival techniques in action, like fire starting with a steel and flint or water purification using commonly found items like charcoal and coffee filters. Just some simple things folks can learn by watching.

[pancho]

I don't think the idea is to educate people on anything. The idea is to make money. As long as it is a popular show it will be continued. The minute it isn't popular anymore it will go the way of many other shows.
It will soon have to go more in the line of a soap opera. There is just so much they can show in the way of prepardness before it becomes boring to most people.

[Tightwad]

Good point Weezin. I got locked in on the improbables and overlooked the point that it is bound to start some to thinking about survival and preparedness, and maybe even self-sufficiency. We all started someplace…

Great gobs of gopher guts! It's about time sombody besides me
noticed the point I tried to make earlier. That is..........

EVERY FAMILY NEED TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF PREPAREDNESS
NO MATTER WHAT THEIR INCOME IS.

Th old excuse "It can't happen here so why worry" is about as
stupid as a human can get. ::) Maybe this TV series will wake
up enough brain cells in some of these delbert dumbutt's that
they get that unless YOU provide for your family.....nobody else
will. Katrina proves that. :o

[DavidOH]

Yes, this show is definetly NOT out to educate the public with real information. It's just entertainment.

Don't try drinking Iodine as in the show. ::)

"Toxicity of Iodine
Excess iodine has symptoms similar to those of iodine deficiency. Commonly encountered symptoms are abnormal growth of the thyroid gland and disorders in functioning and growth of the organism as a whole.

Elemental iodine, I2, is deadly poison if taken in larger amounts; if 2-3 grams of it is consumed, it is fatal to humans." :P


I like the part where the IRS agent's watch stops because of "EMP". She says her watch is a Rolex!
Rolex watches are mechanical! Not electronic.
EMP has no effect on mechanical devices.
She must have a cheap knock off instead of the real thing. ;D

[hillbilly_mom]

OK, commenting on the show that was on tonight (11-1).

When everyone was gathered around the police station finding out which cities did or didn't make it, the guy said that New York made it because the police stopped 3 guys from detonating a bomb in a 55 gallon drum. Does anyone remember what the black guy took out of his storage unit on the night of the "radiation" rain storm?? ;) And did anyone notice how shocked he was that New York was still there? And why did they buy their house, for cash, 3 days before the SHTF?

And even though I do think it will come down to bartering if anything like this does happen, I think what the grocery lady is doing is just plain wrong. I was proud of the kid for walking out on her because she wouldn't have had any of her store goods if it hadn't been for him bringing them from the train.

Why does it take both sons to get the medicine for the dad? I discussed this with my 17yo old son and told him that neither his father or I would want him to go get medicine for us. His main priority would be to stay here, on our place, to protect his 6yo sister. If either of us were so sick that CPR was having to be done to keep us alive there is hardly a chance that the "life saving" medicine would work anyway.

Just a few things to wrap you minds around and think about. ;D

[jim]

Good points mom. I wouldn't have left the wannabe mayor there alone either. He needs adult supervision as he can't seem to be trusted with anything but his own agenda.

I'm thinking we can all learn something from this show whether they intended it that way or not. ;)

Why don't they get off their behinds and elect a Sheriff and/or a City Marshall?

jim

[Tightwad]

OK, commenting on the show that was on tonight (11-1). *

When everyone was gathered around the police station finding out which cities did or didn't make it, the guy said that New York made it because the police stopped 3 guys from detonating a bomb in a 55 gallon drum. *Does anyone remember what the black guy took out of his storage unit on the night of the "radiation" rain storm?? *;) *And did anyone notice how shocked he was that New York was still there? And why did they buy their house, for cash, 3 days before the SHTF?


From the clues being dropped one can guess that the black fella
is part of a gov't terrorist conspiracy of the blackest kind. A war
on it's own people. (sound familiar?)

Black fella ( Please note that I use that description ONLY as a reference not a race statment) is part of a trained "seal" type team all with specific jobs to do. BF has a drum that contains..?? BF has cache
of military weapons. BF knows when & where the bombs went off
and on what schedule. BF ,alone, can contact others on his computer
via satellite. BF seems to be guiding the population in a yet to be disclosed direction. BF is distressed that the "plan" didn't go down with the military precision expected leaving him to do damage control.

BF.alone, knows the "Endgame".........

[Mysticdream44]

The one thing I wondered about was why were they celerbrating Holloween? Aren't there more important things to worry about? Or was it because they were trying to keep it normal for the kids? Hummmm. But I really like that part where the mayor's wife came in with the Jack-o-Lantern and said after they celerbrate Holloween that the pumpkin would be made into pies, "we use every part of the buffolo" I liked that ;D , it showed that she knew not to waste anything.
I was happy that kid told off the store lady, I personally think she is a jerk >:( , she kept saying to him "after all I've done for you" what had she done for him other than giving him a cot in the back room? I was really glad he stood up to her and told her that if it wasn't for him she wouldn't have a store and walked out.
I also thought it was pretty funny when the farmer poured the warm cows milk on the cereal of the IRS lady ;D The look on her face ;) priceless.

[blackpowderbill]

Ahh but!

What if Hawkins was an inside undercover brother and took his drum? Maybe he was part of a government plant into the plot to blow America up.
Remember he had a message saying his contact was compromised.
Little brother , when Hawkins looked up his profile the left side of the screen showed a passport photo and part of the document.
Bad kid maybe gets picked up by big brother the past 4 years?
Saving the mayor, really drive 90 miles into the hot zone , not to smart.
I thought the old man would die off this show.

I like the farm boys look when Ms. IRS came in and sat down with 10" of cleavage showing. :o

The store clerk is bout 2 dollars short of a 5..why didn't he tell the town about the food when transportation was around?
He could have held that lil' rich girl at bay with a few cases of diet sodas.

I still want to know where the electric power came from? And who sent up the emp?

And Jim, they can't elect a sheriff because the town was celebrating Halloween. LOL

Wait till Thanksgiving and Christmas weeks come around.

OH look Mommie its Santa and Rudloph see the red glow from his nose! :o

Bill

[Archangel]

I did not like calling those guys at the edge of town "survivalist or something like that." My dad dying I'd be heading for Hell also. I want to know what the black man and boy had to say to each other? EMF blast pure Hollywood, but I like it I'm hooked. ::) :o ;D :) Michael

[Weezin]

When Robt. Hawkins got into passport control records on Jake. It looked like Jake has been a busy young man.
The list of entry and exit visas looked like a list of all the political hot spots of the world. Not your normal list of fun vacation destinations.
Have to review a couple things like that question. Started recording the show at the second show. Too bad I missed the season opener.
................................Dennis............ .......

[blackpowderbill]

Dennis if you have high speed internet go to cbs.com you can watch all the shows on line.

[Weezin]

Thanks Bill:
Yes I have High-Speed connect. See if I can down load to DVD.
This is strange, sitting here in my log cabin in Alaska and having all this techno stuff................Dennis

[Archangel]

I finally got to see it on the same night it was shown. ;D I thought the Merc.s idea was far fetched until I remember the military is using contractors to guard the bases in the US. I could see the next step happening. I enjoyed the action, ;) ;D ;)

[Tightwad]

Take partcular note of the mercinaries. These are the
troops loyal only to the $$$ involved. I ran into these
guys years ago in Asia and they are a heartless bunch
with no souls. It also stands to reason that any take
over of America would have to involve an army of these
bastards as most of our military wouldn't attack American
citizens.

Yes, todays mecinaries are no different than those of the past.
Gimmie the money or die.

[Weezin]

Now we have Robert Hawkins an F.B.I. agent , with a smile on his face and his daughter is still telling the story she was made to learn.
Jake now says he was a truck driver in the the green-zone of Iraq. Let's see now
Army, Navy, minor league ball player and truck driver in a war zone ? Im so confused!!!!!!
...............Dennis..............

[hillbilly_mom]

I think both of them are NOT telling the truth!

[MooseHeadRider]

On another board I read that the morse code message at the beginning of the show said Rob not F.B.I. I didn't think he was even after they found the badge. He wouldn't have left it somewhere they could have found it. If he was undercover he sure as hell would keep that somewhere well hidden.

As for Jake he was no truck driver, but I do believe he was there.

[Tightwad]

Why does Jake know so very much about the mercinaries?
Being "just" a truck driver don't get it. Jake knows way
to much about the ways of covert war to be such a
simpleton.

Why does Hawkins have to "prep" his "family" with a
story? Why didn't the fellas find Hawkin's secret room?
Why does Hawkins have a stash of weapons? Why
does Hawkin's have "canned" nuke? Leaving his badge
where other's can find it is nothing more than a distraction.

Just what the hell is this show really all about? Tin hat or not
the more I watch this show the more I see real military info
hidden in it. I was stunned when the show told very clearly
what FEMA's mission was during a nuke attack. I was also
stunned when they hauled out the merc's. :o :o I haven't
seen this kinda stuff since our incursion into Laos & Cambodia
in the early 70's. I didn't like Merc's then and I don't like'm now.

[blackpowderbill]

I haven't
seen this kinda stuff since our incursion into Laos & Cambodia
in the early 70's. I didn't like Merc's then and I don't like'm now. >> ???

Tightwad you been in a cave the last 36 years?
In the late 70's the government /military was working on new weapons and light personnel armored systems. I was stationed at a Base in Pa that was a developmental center. I was also on a "civil disturbance team" = riot squad and we were on teh cutting edge of night vision and new light support weapons right beside the fa-18 guided landing system.
Over the years especially after the Internet came out groups have been claiming the local law enforcement was obtaining way to much military equipment.
Wacko's they were called, black helo spotters..looks liek they were correct.
BUT those folks who want the cops to come every beckon call asked for tougher laws and more controls.
The main objective of the personnel weapons systems our troops now use was to afford them the opportunity to do home to home searches.

No more bomb the hell out of em...and sweep up. Home to home--they /military has been practicing for 20 years now perfecting their trade for law enforcement here at home.

Look around and ask why does Albany NY Gov pataki his own state troopers need 3 armored personnel carriers? Why does any law enforcement need black on black ops outfits to do a home invasion or strut around in fatigues?
Some of these in law enforcement are their through affirmative action..and if you think for one rosy minuet they would not use there new found power to slap someone around you are sadly mistaken.

Waco was a test to see how far the government could go, and what they could get away with.

Now we Americans are just short of anal probed while trying to fly to Grand Ma's.

What's next?

Who will be the group they go after?
:o

[preliator]

a cut and paste from another forum:

I am a licensed amateur radio operator.
The morse code in JERICHO intro changes each week:

#1 JERICHO PILOT
#2 JERICHO FALLO
#3 JERICHO THREE
#4 HE KNOWS ROB
#5 THERE IS A FIRE
#6 THE EMP HITS
#7 PRAY FOR NYC
#8 ROB NOT FBI

The messages copied by Robert Hawkins in program #2 were:

I have been thinking about the messages Mr. Hawkins copied in the "Fallout" program. I previously copied the messages as:

DELTA CODE DELTA 2 MINUTE WARNING U
SCORE REMAINS SCORELESS

I now offer the following possible message instead:

CO DE....DELTA CO DE DELTA 2 MINUTE WARNING U

"DE" means "this is"

We heard the message already in progress so missed the preceding CO DE...
I now think the messages Mr Hawkins copied were:

" CO this is DELTA CO this is DELTA"
" 2 MINUTE WARNING"
" U... we missed about 1 minute of copy between scenes
were I believe he copied a list of map coordinates for
cities that had been bombed.
"SCORE REMAINS SCORELESS"

I didn't see him transmit back anything, so the entire message would have been repeated over and over again.

hope it clears up the morse code questions
anthony

[Gatorbait]

So it sounds like Hawkins might be a Delta Force Operator or even a Commanding Officer within Delta. If Jake was a civilian truck driver in Iraq then why does he were dog tags, or do they issue id tags to civillians over there.

[Tightwad]

"If Jake was a civilian truck driver in Iraq then why does he were dog tags, or do they issue id tags to civillians over there. "

More important why does Jake STILL wear his tags? Is he STILL active
military? Why does Jake keep his "recent" past such a secret?

[scoutinlife]

I keep thinking ol Jake is or was special ops! :o

[Dixie]

Gerald McRaney has a cushey part. About all he has had to do is either lay unconscious on the floor, or else lay in bed and pretend to be in a coma. - The son's (Eric's?) mistress is a real winner . . in the witchy-poo category. I don't watch t.v. much, but thought I could learn some survival skills by watching "Jericho" so I would have something to post over on another thread asking for Jericho skills. No luck so far. - Just about every show I get interested in finally lapses into a fairy tale and is abruptly jerked off the airwaves; but it's okay so far.

Dixie 8)

[MNMOM]

It seems after next weeks episode they are going to take a fall break, who knows when the show will continue. *I've enjoyed this series.
Last night the commandoes were after the food supply for the common good, who'd have guessed? ::)
So it would be a good idea for the ones of us that have a good food supply not to talk about it, in an emergency they wouldn't think twice about taking it from you.

[Gatorbait]

There doesn't seem to be any sign of anybody else around so what common good are they collecting for, and what kind of refugee camp are they running? Would you have showed the mercs more force and made them leave what supplies they had along with there weapons or do you think they would have fought it out. One last question the previews showed the boxes being dropped as chinese do you think that is who attacked?

[scoutinlife]

I don't think it was the greatest idea letting the mercs go Hawkins Killed their sniper and look what the merc did at the hospital and town the previous episode. Though it was funny when they asked for them to go around and collect spare ammo from the towns people least they asking this time.Once again the girls dad comes and bails the town out with help I thought was interesting specialy when he made a point towns people better learn how to fight! :D

[jim]

Leaving all the multitude of mistakes aside Jericho's manpower/combat power is a total joke. Any population can sustain 15% of it's manpower for a long time (almost indefinitely) as a military force. Fifteen percent of 5K is 750 men years 17 to 40. That's more than a battalion. Up to 30% can be fielded if some of the less physical people get placed in a static position and not be made to run around a lot. Some of that extra 15% will still be physically able to do what the first 15% does. I never see much more than a dozen or so people armed and moving around protecting the place even though they are mentioned.

The mercs would not face 200 men armed with .22 LR's as they know for a fact that they'd have gone down in a blizzard of .22 low velocity lead.

After backing down from the town at the bridge, the mercs would have crossed the river in another place and been in the town after dark the same day.

jim

[tufhelp]

I keep thinking ol Jake is or was special ops! :o

I was thinking that till I saw him "fight" - no apparent selfdefense skills there... and at the time, no reason to keep them to himself if he possesed them. For all the jams he gets himself into, I don't put much stock in him being a highly trained operative.

[Tightwad]

Anybody catch the two clues dropped that the
Chinese nuked america??

One clue was when they found ( for a brief moment)
a Chinese TV broadcast that told of the attack.

Then on last nights show that the Chinese were airdropping
supplies for troops near Jerico.

Another Odd thing is that there have been no U.S. troops anywhere
to be found. The merc's are all we've seen.

[Viv]

Last week Robert Hawkins told his daughter he had something he needed her to do, she was seen in his secret room with a light stick - next the cop found his "FBI badge". Obviously she planted it where it would be found and the search stopped before they found his secret room. He then made fools of the cop guys by turning the tables on them.

Robert Hawkins is the only major black character on a "white" show. Do you think for one minute that the NAACP will allow him to be the bad guy?

The writers are uninformed. If the Hawkins were really prepared they would not have made the following obvious mistakes:
#1 If you are black and want to blend you don't move to a white town in Kansas.
#2 If you want to fly below the radar you don't move to a small town and pay cash for a house - everyone will know about it.
#3 I can't say for sure but I doubt the FBI lets agents live with their families while undercover - in a house the agency paid for in cash.
#4 If you have lots of cash, know or suspect TEOTWAWKI is coming and want to fly below the radar
A) Put a normal down payment on a house in the middle of nowhere so you have a well and privacy.
B) Have a full size propane generator installed with the biggest propane tank available
C) Stock up on Emergency Essential type products
D) Stock up on barter supplies
E) Stock up on ammo

Where is everyone in town getting water from? I assume they had city water but what power source is getting it to each home/business?

It has been over a month and (unless I missed it) there have been no funerals. By this time almost all diabetics would be dead. Dialysis patients would also be dead as would anyone needing heart med, oxygen, etc. Since April was the only Dr. in town she should have been very busy trying to save them and not had time to look after the Mayor constantly and certainly not have had time to get pregnant by a cheating husband.

Also, am I the only one who has noticed that very few people on this show have parents or siblings. Why aren't April, Heather, Mary and Emily, etc. worried about their own families instead of the mayor's? Did I miss the roundup of all parents and siblings or something?

As for this weeks episode. Not really a meaningful hour. I have missed 1 1/2 episodes so am not sure who the guys were that saved the day in the end. Are they a preparedness group from outside of town? Apparently no one bothered to tell them the bridge was going to be blown. Also - how many towns in Kansas have only 2 ways in and one requires a bridge?

I personally think the writers are waiting until they read what everyone is speculating about on the Internet before they decide just who is who and what is going to happen. I can't wait until winter sets in to see how they manage in the cold and snow without heat. I guess everyone will crowd around fireplaces.

[MNMOM]

Just maybe they come to forums like this to get some of their information. ;)

[tufhelp]

Just a little extra burr under the ole saddle, they aren't conserving! The end of the show had the girl going into a church - there had to be 50 or more candles burning... to what end? One would probably be one to many. On it goes from there - by this time any and all would be closely guarding and hoarding, not going on about their business as if nothing is a miss. Sorry, but it is just another not so realistic aspect that takes the edge off of the presentation.

[Mysticdream44]

Your right about their not conserving things, like candles. Also why don't they show them trying to put in winter gardens? After all something would be better than nothing. You don't see anyone out cutting or collecting wood or anything else to keep warm in winter in an area where we all know they get cold weather and at least some snow.
One thing that also bothered me was about the horses, how did they survive & how are they going to feed them come winter? And I haven't seen any other livestock, cows, pigs, chickens, or even a dog. Although they did show the farmer putting warm fresh milk on the IRS lady's cereal in one espiode. I haven't seen anyone out hunting either, although they keep saying things are getting in short supply, and food sure won't last forever.
I really do like the show, and if it even make a few people think "What if" then its done its job, if they start trying to prepare in some way and help themselves in case some kind of disaster, natural or manmade happens.

[Archangel]

I see a lot of OOPS's on the show also, but consider this. The show made to the airwaves, ;D and is staying on the air. ;D People picking out what is wrong has given me some food for thought. Your right a large generator, like the house on the hill would be smart. Only one candle burning is correct. I've gone back and looked at my supplies. I was short matches, of all the simple things. Keep picking it apart your are teaching me things as we go. My 2 cents Michael

[Tightwad]

Hmmmm......"No one is hunting". Make me wonder
that only farm animals under cover would be safe to
eat with ALL wild game being radioactive or dead
from fallout.

[Mysticdream44]

Hmmmm......"No one is hunting". Make me wonder
that only farm animals under cover would be safe to
eat with ALL wild game being radioactive or dead
from fallout. * *

You do have a point there Tightwad, I didn't think about that, but surely not all livestock was under cover, there must have been some out grazing in the fields. Don't you think? :-/

[jim]

I thought it turned out that the rain contained no radioactivity? Am I wrong?

jim

[Archangel]

Where you were, remember the birds and the town 90 miles away. MOS

[Tightwad]

I thought it turned out that the rain contained no radioactivity? Am I wrong?

jim

I think the rain washed away(?) the dust that settled over all that
was outside. Makes me kinda wonder just were the dust in the
rain water wound up.

also......
Depending on the kiloton of the nuke the blast zone could easily
exceed 90 miles or more.

[pancho]

I think the rain washed away(?) the dust that settled over all that
was outside. Makes me kinda wonder just were the dust in the
rain water wound up.

also......
Depending on the kiloton of the nuke the blast zone could easily
exceed 90 miles or more.

I think you mean megaton, not kiloton. *A nuke measured in kilotons would not do very much damage, if any 90 miles away.
Something else to think about. The name of the town, Jericho. There is an old saying "gone to Jericho" which means an indefinite or nameless place. That would be a fitting name for a town that does not exist.

[jim]

I had forgotten the birds (senior moment), and just remembered them coming out from shelter and there being no radioactivity, which would be all over the place after the rain if it existed. I guess they had their cake and ate it too.

I went to the CBS site and they mentioned a 100KT surface blast, so that should have kicked up lots of radioactivity.

jim

[pancho]

I had forgotten the birds (senior moment), and just remembered them coming out from shelter and there being no radioactivity, which would be all over the place after the rain if it existed. I guess they had their cake and ate it too.

I went to the CBS site and they mentioned a 100KT surface blast, so that should have kicked up lots of radioactivity.

jim

When the U.S was testing nukes at their Nevada site they exploded nukes over 20 kt and had troops standing watching within 6 miles of ground zero.

[Archangel]

The death rate from cancer was very high, somewhere around 80%. It has been sometime since I read about it. Michael

[Morning_Owl]

I don't think it was the greatest idea letting the mercs go Hawkins Killed their sniper and look what the merc did at the hospital and town the previous episode. Though it was funny when they asked for them to go around and collect spare ammo from the towns people least they asking this time.Once again the *girls dad comes and bails the town out with help I thought was interesting specialy when he made a point towns people better learn how to fight! :D

I agree letting the merc's go was dumb. In reality they would have just found another way into town. Once there they would have done the same thing to Jerico as they did to the first town. They do what they do for money and wealth, they are nothing more than modern day pirates. I would have killed them and be done with it. Do you honestly think they would just say "bummer I guess we'll go else were" Not bloody likely.
On another point I hope they don't turn this into another soap opera. This whole love triangle going on with different actors is annoying. But I guess that's just me because I watch it for the survival and in-site not for who's doing who. ::)
What about all the dead bodies? I mean you would have a lot of dead people and even more dead animals. The stench would be awful and the dead would need to be taken care of or disease would set in. But I guess they don't want to show that kind of reality on tv. :-/
I also wonder about the meat. Would the game be any good to eat after that radio active rain? I would think that after a week or two any animals that were effected would be dead and what was left would be ok to eat. Yes / No what do you all think? ???

MorningOwl

[dannanchieftain]

You can't take the show as literally how it would happen, remember its a TV show not a training course . When it comes to fallout and radiation there are many factors involved. Size of weapon,type of weapon, height of burst,wind direction and speed, humidity,storm conditions,cloud height (not the nuke cloud but the actual clouds), type of terrain etc..

I attended a NBC warfare course when I was in the Army and it isn't as hard to survive a nuclear attack as most might think provided you survive the initial delivery of the weapon, like the people in the show did as they were far away.

A good rule of radiation decay is called the 7:10 rule meaning that for every time multiple of seven radiation decays by a factor of 10.

seven hours after the blast the radiation is 1/10th of the intial dose and 49 hours after the blast it is only 1/100th as strong as the inital dose and so on.


if the inital dose rate at the time of the blast is 1000 r/hr
in seven hours it will decay to 100 r/hr and in 49 hrs it will be 10 r/hr and in 343 hrs it would be down into the millirads. For most healthy people a 400 r/hr dose is lethal and 50 or less would produce no sickness at all provided there was no long term exposure to this amount.

I should note that this rule only applies to nuclear weapons not "dirty nukes" or cases of nuclear accidents such as a nuclear power plant. Most dirty bombs are by far less lethal in terms of dosage and may contain a different spectrum of radiation. a nuclear accident could be either far more lethal or far less lethal than a nuclear weapon depending on the material used and the circumstances of the accident.


A nuclear attack is far more easier to survive (as long as you survive the primary effects of the weapon) than a chemical or biological attack

[Archangel]

I finally had a chance to watch Jerico last shows, I love the line, "If your wrong justice will come fast!" I'm hooked so I'll wait until Feb. to see what is next.
The air drop to make it look like China has me confused. Just my 2-Cents Michael

[Tightwad]

I finally had a chance to watch Jerico last shows, I love the line, "If your wrong justice will come fast!" I'm hooked so I'll wait until Feb. to see what is next. *
The air drop to make it look like China has me confused. *Just my 2-Cents *Michael

There have been several "red herring" clues to confuse the viewer's.
One way to get your viewer's hooked. I know it worked on me! ;D ;D

[Archangel]

Me Too! ;D :) ;D I never would have thought the show would make it. Michael

[dannanchieftain]

I too am hooked. They are quite heavy with the mystery and I guess thats working in their favor. If you go to the show website people on the forums are near losing their minds trying to figure out all the mystery stuff. They even have a teaser clip on there for next season and its of Jake (the original mayors son) applying for a job as a pilot for a high profile private outfit and the hiring guy is concerned about the state department having Jake flagged as a person of interest. Now we have to wait till spring though to get our Jerico fix. :(

[RangerRick]

I too enjoy the show but wish they spent a bit more time on reality, aka, anarchy as it would really run amock. It probably wouldn't make good TV but at least it is getting attention from a few that wouldn't otherwise care.

Rick

[edward_4576]

Now that we're mid season I stopped by and reread the posts here. It's rather interesting that many of the things that are discussed here have been addressed one way or the other. For instance someone mentioned there was no hunting and in the one episode it shows them out hunting turkeys. Not saying anything Just interesting.

[Archangel]

I think they are reading our posts, put on your tin hats. "Just joking" we talk about hunting and then there is hunting, talk about anarchy and there is the first killing in 30 years, now a second. Talk about Merc.s and there they are. I feel it is developing along the correct paths. I don like the red herring clues. Just my two cents, Michael

[hillbilly_mom]

I find that a lot of shows seem to "read our minds" and start doing what everyone is wondering why they don't. Even on a closed site I go to we discuss other shows and things that would be more appropriate for the story line. Lo and behold, within two weeks what we were discussing comes up on the story. Could Hollywood be reading our minds? ;D

[tufhelp]

Nope, just our posts… Back in the day there were news clipping businesses that combed almost everything in print and “clipped” articles about their clients and provided the articles to them – for a fee of course. Now it is done electronically and with greater efficiency than manually reading print media. Sophisticated search engines do the digging now days. Wouldn’t be surprised that just like politicians bow to polls, viewer input via internet forums and blogs et al surely effect the story lines of popular shows.

[Archangel]

If they are reading here an idea for them.
The boy that gets into the truck with the deaf girl is the new mayor's son and gets caught raping her. The town wants to hang him, so what the mayor going to do? Let them read that!!! ::) ;D ::) Michael