Coincidences??

[SkooliesRock]

OK, I know this looks like alot, but I found this broken into smaller segments so it could be viewed "here & there". The longest segment is about 10 minutes, so keep trak if you had to take a break, but be sure & come back & resume where you left-off.

Also, watch these when you can give the screen your undivided attention, as they'll contain ALOT of information you weren't given through your local media.

For those who don't believe there was any more to 9/11 than hijackers flying 2 767 jets into the WTC towers & 1 into the Pentagon.....then I would like to hear your theories behind some of the questions posed in these videos. If needed, I'll be more than glad to post specific questions which I personally would like answers to, as I'm sure would the rest of America....atleast those who aren't buying the BS that the government is trying to force down our throats.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7BSt9jhxPQ&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQ8_Qy0zp8&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9BofDUXv0&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIx2CVRxRXg&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJHAp49Lh8&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x4TD0WP3pM&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWqNJI8Mjo&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5JVYTxjmdc&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4eHvD-BrE&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXk0LFVAgHE&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oYjsVdm7dE&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFqYf-ID5oY&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kxE6lftTWU&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUNvEfYDEQ&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yTgbZSATTU&feature=related

[rAcErRicK]

Well, I just finished the last one. Dozens of people, from NY firefighters, to witnesses on the ground, Newscasters, and just normal people. To see the huge pillars of the WTC cut off as if you did it with a saw. As they said, the building #7 was not even hit, yet did exactly the same thing as the twins, and firemen actually heard the command on the radios to "pull it", (the building), even heard the countdown to the blast. The lobbies completely destroyed yet the buildings still intact. I've seen other vids. where witnesses on the street said one of the planes did not even have any airline insignia at all. People that were there, on that day. Demo experts say there is only one way to put 3 buildings of that size, totally destroyed, into their own basements. Ever seen that done before, by accident ? Does anyone see anything suspicious here ? Did anyone see the molten steel pouring out of the building 20 floors below the plane damaged floor ? The only 3 steel buildings in the world to collapse from fire. The man had $7 billion invested, reinsured them for twice that 5 days prior, and collected. $7 billion in 5 days, 3000 deaths didn't even wipe the smile off his face. Did anyone see the asbestos on every beam in the building. Anyone wonder why dozens of firefighters and bystanders have died since then from lung cancer ? Anyone wonder anything ? Is everyone still asleep ? Not even one comment ?

[SkooliesRock]

RR- I can understand a conflicting story here & there, but the emergency rescue people, NYPD, NYFD, building maintenance workers, employees escaping from the buildings....heard the same things, series of explosions. The videos show them being interviewed plainly stating so.

The towers were condemed, I think the figure was $15 million for asbestos removal but the Port Authority wouldn't allow it. As far as building #7, let's say it was damaged for whatever reason and did infact need to be demolished. I wonder how long it would take a demolition crew to prep & wire it? Weeks is what I believe I'd heard.....yet it fell the same day as the towers......how could that be? Lucky Larry (Silverstein) gave the command to "pull it".....when was the building prepped & wired?

There's a well-known pic of a beam at the base of the building, it had been cut at a 45* angle. I've had people tell me "well, they probably cut it that way with a torch to remove it". Anyone who's used a torch to cut anything knows....the shortest cut is the quickest, and uses less gas. Straight across the beam, not 45*. Also, by blowing oxygen from the torch in the cutting process, the "slag" (melted steel) blows away from the flame, it doesn't run down the font of the piece you're cutting it runs down the backside.

FEMA gave the "all clear" regarding air quality for rescue workers, and people who lived and worked nearby.....yet they (FEMA) wore haz-mat suits while in the area. When questioned they said "we have to, it's procedure". I'm unsure of the total number of people who've died from cancer, as well as the K-9s that were brought in to assist in locating survivors or deceased victims. I'll see if I can find that video as well.

Did you also catch what was going on with NORAD the very SAME day? They were flying drills for the EXACT SAME SCENARIO which took place! I believe I'd read that the odds of all this happening had so many digits, they were more numerous than all the grains of sand in the desert. Now I haven't a clue as to how many that is.....but it's a few!

Pentagon? One of the most guarded buildings on the planet.....but no security camera caught a pic of the jet hitting the building?? Please
::)

Entirely too many unanswered questions. So all the steel was held as evidence and inspected in one of the worst disasters we've seen.....right? WRONG! It was taken to a guarded location where FEMA wasn't even allowed-in, and promptly sent overseas for scrap. There were a few pieces saved, and I'm sure you've all seen the new battleship.

Wasn't nearly enough proper investigation done.......makes me wonder if it's because they already had the answers.....

[SkooliesRock]

Bush Admin: 9/11 Rescue Workers Can Fend for Themselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TdumM9g54

On the video below, slide the bar up to the 3.44 minute mark & freeze it there. Look at the beam standing in the center of the pic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z-D8BVEa7I

Sorry, it's late...I stated FEMA but meant EPA. Pay close attention at the 5 minute mark. This is the one about air quality reports that were given.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gASB3A77yIw

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKLPUzJ_TmI

Now keep in mind who was given control (the VP) on 9/11 as per the earlier videos.........

Mineta Recalls Cheney Activity In White House Bunker On 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOFgekbanc

Minetta tells 9/11 Commission Cheney knew exact flight path
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO-9LQDFE2Y&NR=1

[SkooliesRock]

I also wondered if you knew the "conditions" the Prez & VP had for testifying in front of the 9/11 Commission? I would have thought this would have been made public.....wonder why it wasn't??

They refused to be placed under oath, there were NO transcripts or recordings of the hearing allowed, and no 9/11 victims family members were allowed to attend. Again, it's late but feel free to Google away ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AoaU7LlTk&feature=related


DOH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdnwLdyfGKQ&NR=1

[SkooliesRock]

Now I know that there's alot of people out there who love to use the term "conspiracy therorist", and I have been called that more than once...no problem. But Ive asked for anyone to show the errors in some of the information (such as that I've provided here) showing a different side of 9/11 than was (is) given by the government.

If I am to be known as a "conspiracy therorist" even though I've asked to be "proven wrong" or shown the error in this information, or the error in my way of thinking.....but so far I haven't been, then wouldn't that lead others to believe there's more to the story than many choose to believe?

[Pitdog]

If you are like me, conspiracy theorist is not the worst thing you have been called.
You nor I have yet to be proven wrong, and so far most people I have vented to have not really argued, they don't always say 'I AGREE' but most of them say 'I don't know about that, but something isn't right.' Or 'Did you know about this or that and this is what I think.' So far no one has believe it all that I have talked to. Much like O K and C

[SkooliesRock]

lol.....you're correct in that I've been called worse (having 3 ex-wives ;D). I just don't understand the "conspiracy theorist" though if they don't have proof (or something of substance to show otherwise).

I see more actual proof of what happened in the info I've seen & read (some of which is contained in the links), and would take the word of eyewitnesses and what I see with my own eyes over what some double-talking government troll claims.

I guess my point is I think there's much more to the event, and people weren't given the truth.....and it's my belief we deserve it, as do the families and friends of the victims (especially them).

I also am aware there are certainly there are some far-fetched "stories" of the events, and those surrounding it. Storied of reptilian-humans, others who claim there were bombs strapped onto the planes, and the like. I think this sort of thinking is what leads others to think someone (like myself) is a "nut-job) simply because I don't believe the "official" accounting. In what I coin "believable" I will go so far as to discount footage where the audio & video don't "jive". I watched one recently that was supposed to be Katie Couric, yet it never showed her face. It was sidewalk footage but there was no reason for such poor camera operation short of being a hoax.

Trust me, I would like nothing more than to believe the events which took place on 9/11 were exactly as we are led to believe by our government. No one (in their right mind) want's to believe their government could have had knowledge, involvement, or part in covering-up said events. Our government isn't necessarily known for it's "honesty", so in my opinion they leave themselves open for speculation from others.

It'd be like trying to help a friend who spent time in jail for stealing, so you give him a place to stay. Say you live with your wife, give the guy a temporary place to live, and $200 turns-up missing....where's the 1st place you're going to look? Poor example, but you get my point.

[rAcErRicK]

Agreed Skoolie, thanks for the information.

[SkooliesRock]

You're welcome RR....here's something else I find interesting......

Amount spent on 9/11 investigation?
$15 Million

Amount spent to investigate Slick Willies sex scandal?
$40 million

Now, is it just me....or does that seem just a bit "odd"?

Did you catch in the 1st videos who owns the Security Firm which happen to provide security for the WTC AND Dulles Airport?

Or several of the 19 hijackers the FBI has identified, including the owner of the passport which happen to be found unscathed on top of the pile of rubble (somehow surviving fire intense enough to "melt steel").....who are still ALIVE??

To quote Johnny Carson....."Whacky Stuff'!

[flatwater]

The problem I have with conspiracy theories is which ever side you turn to has their own set of facts that seem to be backed up by something that can not be truthfully found because of some ones elses facts. It's like car salesmen , they all have the best car and the facts to back them up. Or the defense attorney and prosecutor. Both having expert witnesses saying the opposit things. Now I,m not saying your wrong , I just don't know. So I will be prepared oneway or the other.
Flatwater

[SkooliesRock]

Understood & agreed. That's why I'm asking these questions. I've yet to see any footage or interview with any eyewitnesses disagreeing with the accounting given by those who were there.

Then there's the obvious, like how could some of *the hijackers be alive? And the passport I mentioned, survived the crash, the fireball, and the collapse to land on the top of the pile to be found?

There are WAY too many holes in the story. What do all the people have to gain by fabricating stories? I think we already know the answer to the other side (the government).

OK, let me do this.....and anyone please feel free to just give it your best guess.

How could the towers fall at nearly free-fall speed without demolition having been used to take-out support columns. I think free-fall speed at that height was 8-9 seconds, they fell at about 10-11 seconds. Had the "pancake theory" infact taken place, it should have taken over 45 seconds for the collapse.

Then, how could building #7 have been brought down by demolition on the same day, when it would have to have been prepped & wired. It's no secret Silverstein had it demolished.....but when was it prepped? And it was prepped & ready for demo with people still working in it?

I have several "problems" with the entire event, but these 2 are really bugging me.

Here's the Empire State Building in 1945 after it was struck by a jet. It's still standing.

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=179

Did you know the July 7th '05 London bombing also took place on the EXACT same day they were having drills for the EXACT same scenario? Just like 9/11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvkhe3rqtc

Edit- I wanted to add another piece I just remembered. Here's footage of a woman standing in the hole in the side of the building left by the jet at impact. Now if the fire burned so hot so that it could weaken steel, how is it she can stand the heat?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3151MqXu52s&feature=related

[SkooliesRock]

I believe there's going to be a show on tonight at 8:00 on The Discovery Channel about the Towers. I'll be anxious to watch it & see how much of the info mentioned in some of my posts is included. I doubt much, and it will more likely be the "sugar-coated" version.

[davidlj]

Grapes that all I can say about this issue. Just a bunch of non fire service members making things up.

[rAcErRicK]

Dave, I assume you are a first responder, and if so I thank you for your service in a many times thankless job, and that surprises me in that there are perhaps a dozen or more first responders on those vids. From ranking officers, to new firemen. In fact, it is they who give the most credibility to the vids.

You of course, have every right to do or say whatever you wish, but at least listen to what your brothers have to say before you judge them. They were there. They saw, they heard, and they felt. Don't they at least have the right to be heard ? It was my respect for them that caused me to listen to what they had to say. 7 years hence, my heart still goes out to them in the pain and suffering they endured. Many of them have since passed on and cry out from their graves with the truth. These posts are for them, and their memory, and for their service, and for their lives.
Thanks for your concideration.

[SkooliesRock]

Grapes that all I can say about this issue. Just a bunch of non fire service members making things up.

Thanks for your opinion.....now where's your proof?

[333]

Peace,

Gotta be honest in that I have seen many pieces of these videos before, but not conglomerated like this. Also they were used to support the theory of how the towers failed due to fire. That said how ever facts are facts, asbestos covered steel does not fail at 900 -1200 degrees, even bare steel does not fail at so low temperatures.
Never in the history of steel structures has one failed due to fire. On this day we have how many fail like this??? Remember the Maine? Remember the Luisitainia? Remember Hitlers false flag operation to invade Poland? History is rife with the powers that be; creating the situation they need to achieve the agenda they wish to implement. At best it is the biggest real estate scam ever, at worst it is the catalyst to excuse the 400 billion dollar money maker for certain folks. Either way the loss of life, and the rabid response of uncool heads in the mobocracy makes me ill.
For interesting reads, look into Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, and their propaganda machines and thoughts about the people or public at large and how to manipulate them. Striking similarities to say the least.

Imho of course

333

[davidlj]

Read the current editions of the NFPA Fire Protection Handbook and

I suggest that you review 2008 Edition of NFPA 921 7.3.5.2
NFPA 921 7.3.5.2.2, NFPA 921 7.3.5.3.2, Metal Construction

NFPA 921 7.4.2 Floor/Ceiling/Roof Assemblies

As far as the Pentagon well folks two fellow firefighters from the Fort Myer Federal Fire Department were on helo standby with the crash vehicle at the Pad when the aircraft impacted. They had to jump out of the two front seats and get under the crash truck to survive the crash. One firefighter was burned from the flash.

[crafty2002]

Thanks so much for this thread.
I told my wife right after this happened that it wouldn't surprice me in the least if I found out that it was our government that did this.
I have only looked at the first 3 videos but when I got to the 1:09 minute mark and watched it through the 1:23 mark, that was proof.
That was bombs going off maybe 20 floors below the fire.
Anyone that doesn't believe this was a conspiracy, just look at this time frame of the 3rd video.
If that isn't proof nothing in the world will keep you from being a sheeple......

[livinlite]

Don't look now, but they're doing it again...

The "Financial Crisis" is 9/11 all over again. They realize McCain has no chance of winning and are trying to grab power for good via a complete strangle-hold on the economics of the country.

Still too early to tell if it'll work.

Fool me twice...

[rice paddy daddy]

Don't look now, but they're doing it again...

The "Financial Crisis" is 9/11 all over again. *They realize McCain has no chance of winning and are trying to grab power for good via a complete strangle-hold on the economics of the country.

Still too early to tell if it'll work.

Fool me twice...
Nah, they're just trying to get their cash before Obama guts the economy.

[JAK]

Don't you mean the taxpayers cash?

[JAK]

There's that incumbent sense of entitlement of a party in power too long.

That's why we had to ditch the Liberals up here.

[crafty2002]

I am up to watching the 6th video now and the more I watch the madder I get. I knew in my mind something didn't smell right but these tapes are something else. I won't say I can't believe it because I smelled it from the start.
What I can't believe is they got caught with their pants down as they did, and 99.9% of the American public doesn't know a thing about it.
I am one of the .1% that is more than a little angry. Ready to go to war. That makes me one of the 280,000 people in America that is pizzed off enough to fight but can't do it alone and can't find anyone you could trust to help you.
Does anyone have any ideas of what we should do???????
They have stole my life as I knew it, even as far back as when I was in the army. Back then I was also one that brain washed, as the 99.9% are now.
I thought I was doing what was right. Now I know I have to meet my maker a lot more humble than I thought I did.
But if you think about it, if the .1 % of American's stood up the same day, we could take our country back from the slave drivers.

[crafty2002]

Nah, they're just trying to get their cash before Obama guts the economy.


That is funny as all get out. Obama gutting the economy. What part didn't you catch the last 12 years??
I hope you have a good rice patty. You may very well be eatting it for a 4 course meal before we change preidents this time.
What could the man do that is worse than Bush has done????

[rice paddy daddy]

That is funny as all get out. Obama gutting the economy. What part didn't you catch the last 12 years??
I hope you have a good rice patty. You may very well be eatting it for a 4 course meal before we change preidents this time.
What could the man do that is worse than Bush has done????
Well, for one thing The Annointed One has picked for his chief economic advisor the former head of Fannie Mae. That right there should scare the bejeebers out of ya. And let's not forget Obama is second on the list of politicians to recieve cash donations from Fannie Mae. Dodd is first, Pelosi 8th.
By the time he's done taxing and spending, he's gonna make that peanut farmer from Georgia look like an economic genius.

[crafty2002]

It is hard for even me to believe what is on these tapes. I knew our government was the modern day mafia but I didn't ever fathon they could go this bad.
And the worst part is 99.9% or more of the people in the US believes everything they see on TV.
Even 99% of those that does realize what is happening will set and wait for TSToHTF before they ever try to do anything and by then it will be too late.
What am I saying???? *It is already too late.
I don't think seat belts for a bumpy ride will do any good any more. We couldn't ever do anything now if we assembled and fought back.
God what are our children and grandchildren going to do??

*

[rAcErRicK]

There are many hundreds more Crafty, you have seen only one days work so far. :-/

Too late ?
The day that we lose our will to fight will be the day that we lose our freedom.

There is no too late. But yes, it grows more difficult each day.

[LobsterPond]

Long but insightful video - worth every second.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

[side_job]

SO what happened to the passengers of flight 93 and the flight that supposedly crashed into the pentagon? How many folks would that be? maybe 300 or so? Did they just... disappear? Or are they being held somewhere? thoughts?

[rAcErRicK]

SO what happened to the passengers of flight 93 and the flight that supposedly crashed into the pentagon? How many folks would that be? maybe 300 or so? Did they just... disappear? Or are they being held somewhere? thoughts?
This will be a tough one to call, Side Job, since witness are few, so all I can offer is what the "officials" had to say about it. This might help, and there are more links at the bottom of the article.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112
Every one that saw the crash site said there was no way a plane that size could make such a small hole in the earth, and with such a small bit of recoverable wreckage. MHO is; if both darth vaders say it was shot down...... just maybe....it was shot down.

[crafty2002]

I have got to say this. I am haveing smoking arguments with friends because I can't get them to set down and watch the videos.
I went back through all off them and I think the main one that will get peoples interest is #12. Bush saying with his own mouth that they were taught to place ""Explosives"" so the people trapped above couldn't get out.
He fell all over himself trying to get out of that one. Anyone with a brain could see that.
And then Rumsfield, ????????
I wish there was a way I could make every American in the US sit down and watch these videos.
And Rick, I haven't given up yet. I haven't got over the crying for the people lost because of this.
And I haven't even got pissed yet. But it's coming. I started writing a book several years ago when I was laid up from a fall I took. I fell 48 feet in 1978, and started writing "The Terror Within A Man"!!!!
14 months later I went back to work and dropped the book. Never finished it. Most of it was based on my life. Far flung for sure, but still based on my life.
Maybe I can finish that book before I die. If not I will have enough copies of what I do have at the time, some one can finish it with a true ending.

[crafty2002]

Did anyone see the molten steel pouring out of the building 20 floors below the plane damaged floor ?
Anyone wonder anything ? Is everyone still asleep ? Not even one comment ? *

I was wondering Rick but after watching these video's, well it took any doubt I had away and that already wasn't much. I wasn't asleep as it was but I am wide awake now.
Can you tell me which video the molten metal was in???
This 4 year old computor and dial up takes me forever to down load a video from YouTube and I can't seem to save them for more than a day.
I think #12 is the one that shows some of the most important info. The words are coming straight from the monkies mouth. Several of them.
Why can't this be shown on national TV????

[rAcErRicK]

Crafty, believe me, I know the pain you are in right now. I've been there for many years. I will attempt to give you the only comfort that I have found for myself.
Moulton steel=I don't memorize the vids. there are thousands of them, this subject being only a drop in the bucket. I will however try to find the one you mention. Yes, dial up sucks.
Getting people to listen=Sorry, but it just ain't gonna' happen. You will never force an education on anyone, no matter how important, or necessary. Worst part being, they do not, and most will not believe that we are in fact, in the disaster that we are in. An education must be sought out, with a fervent desire and hunger. A little known man, Bo Grites, back in the 80's ran for president, and was really educated in these matters. His reason for your delema was, "no one will be told that your mother is a whore", which, very accurately is where this is. You can make a sample bit of information available to friends, and they will either accept it and learn, or they will reject it.
You will have no control whatsoever. I have lost friends by pushing, it is a mistake. A few have come back to me and said, wow, everything you told me is happening !
Nationwide TV coverage= Ain't gonna happen. The stranglehold on our neck is from the same ones who own those stations, or networks. You must understand, this is no small time thing here. It is huge beyond belief, and goes back hundreds of years, even beyond America. This is about total global ownership, and power. I have persued knowledge on this for over 20 years, prolly closer to 30, and learn more every single day. Evil is neverending, and all consuming.

I wish it were a simple matter of handing out an education on this, but unfortunately, it is not, and would be found out, and crushed. Every detail has to be dug out from under carefully hidden places. The inet has simplified things tremendously, but one must still persue it with diligence. Much info has been put here to help, but the great majority must still be done by yourself. The Genie on your desk, will answer any question you have, her name is google, get to know her, while she exists. Truthfully, there is little that will be done to stop it. One can, however make preporations as best you can. And learn what you can about where we are going, and be able to recognize dangers, and avoid them as much as possible. I think this is called survival, and you have found one resource. Many have been destroyed, and their authors harassed into extinction, but there are still many out there. I wish you well in your persuit of truth, and in your future. Try not to allow this monster to consume you, as you learn, anger and frustration will grow to enormous proportions, but do not allow it to control you. Not an easy task, I know. There are those that have been destroyed by this knowledge, as you will discover. They could not contain it, and lost control. Be careful, you are playing with fire.

rick

[rAcErRicK]

Crafty, one more thing needs to be said. I reread your posts, and see your anger and frustration. The natural reaction of a good citizen and family man, and a good American is to jump up and react to these insults, from a position of goodness and decency that has been instilled into your mind over your lifetime. You cannot allow this to happen. If you must, for your own survival, put it down for a time. Except to educate others, there is simply nothing you can do. Leave it, love your wife and kids, and family, and enjoy your friends, and make more. Help those you can, when you can, and love your creator with all your heart. Live your life. Do not allow this to control you, or your life. It will be a waste, and a shame. I have seen this happen. It did NOT help anyone.

I strongly advise you to leave this, at least for awhile. Go live your life. You must take this stuff with a grain of salt. Very slowly, persue if you must, but again I warn you because I care, do not allow it to consume you. It will if you allow it, and only if you allow it.

A very wise proverb, or prayer: God, grant me the strength to change the things I can for good; and to accept the things I cannot; And the wisdom to know the difference.

You will not do better than that. Live it.

rick

[crafty2002]

Very slowly, persue if you must, but again I warn you because I care, do not allow it to consume you. It will if you allow it, and only if you allow it.

A very wise proverb, or prayer: God, grant me the strength to change the things I can for good; *and to accept the things I cannot; *And the wisdom to know the difference.

You will not do better than that. *Live it.

rick *

Rick, if you look around, you will see it has already consumed us all. The corruption has us working for nothing while the "FAT RATS" get fatter!!!!!
Don't ask me what I think this skinney, broke down disabled guy can do, because I don't have a clue.
Other than rallying the rest of the people in the US, which is next door to impossible.
I have however, turned a few peoples way of thinking about it around.
My wife and daughter thought I was crazzy when I told them McVeigh did not do the fed building bombing. They never said so but they did. I could tell.
Well I searched throught all the stuff I have found since I joined BWH's and downloaded what I felt was the most appealing to a new comer, if you get where I am coming from.
Several people has set down and watched it so far and they all walk out with their jaw about dragging the floor.

Rick, it is presentation. Don't show any one anything you can't tell them you can see it is true.
Be ready to point out the fine points and have an explaination.
Most people will give you the curtesy of watching a short video.
You have got to hook them right there. You have to make them not have a doubt that what they just say is what you see.

I have nearly lost a friend because he won't stop and look and think. Some are going to be like that but if presented correctly, it won't be many.
My sister was the hardest to get on my side about this, but I traded of limbing a tree for 30 minutes of her watching what I had. Not only did that work, she has brought 2 of her friends to look at it.

Don't show them anything to start with that gives them a chance to say it is a fake. And there is a lot out there that does. I can read between the lines as I am sure you can, but most people can't. *
It has to be dead in their face the first chance or you will loose them.

Don't ask what I think we can do. I have ideas but I best keep that to myself for now. And don't for a second think that I think it will be a walk in the park. I went to Nam 4 times. That was a walk in the park. This will not be.

[nakor2012]

The "Financial Crisis" is another 9/11. Both partys a simply two parts of the same machine.I am a big Alex Jones fan and all should at least check out www.infowars.com. It sure opened my eyes!

[NowKnowYe]

Rhetorically, is it a mere coincidence that the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment (alleged income tax) were both passed in 1913? ;)

[Ocala]

CBS NEWS
Rumsfeld
2.3 Trillion Dollars missing
Pentagon 1 DAY b4/9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

Here is 911 truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4euJw6dbDI&feature=PlayList&p=99F4B78962E 14616&index=0

[rAcErRicK]

Thanks Ocala, man, you just dropped a gold mine of vids on us !

[Ocala]

Then you will like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xca6o38ZNY

[crafty2002]

bump, bump, bumpity bump, and the ride gets harder.
I can't believe with all the info here that is completely undeniable there is a whole 41 post so far.
Does that tell anyone what this country has became???
Is there anyone else here that was in the military that feels the same way I do about the oath we took???
To defend this country from all enimies, whehter foriegn or domestic.
When I took that oath it didn't say that when I get out of the army I can just say the heck with it.
I always figured that if Russia came bombing us, dropping troops and all that, that I would be shooting back, if I could still get to my rifle.
I never thought the enemy would be our own government doing what they are doing, but none the less, I took that oath and when I did so, for as long as I am alive and can still fight. I just can't do it by myself and it seems like nearly every one else has turned to sheeple.

I best shut up before I say something I will regret saying.

[crafty2002]

When and where is the uprising supposed to start at. ??? ::)

[sethwyo]

I have never been told there is a point to meet at. The few people who are planning to revolt and defend themselves are spread out and not in comunication with eachother.
I think folks from all over should consolidate themselves and resorces and move to several states bordering eachother. But you will find out how dedicated and serious people are when its time to do anything except talk.

[Mamsy]

Maybe people are still in a state of wonder and shock. I have dial up or I would like to see your video's. I saw the airplane's hit the towers live on tv that morning. I wondered HOW and WHY they could get such good shots of them LIVE on television....can anyone explain that or was I dreaming? My husband said a person standing by took the shots...not a newsperson. I'm still puzzled over that one and always will be I suppose. ???

[sethwyo]

Welcome to the club mamsy.
I have a wireless modem and videos usually play imedeitly. Or take a few seconds.
It is worth it to be able to have access to the info on line.

[crafty2002]

Mamsy, according to the reports, there "Just happened to be a french news cast" that just happened to be standing in the middle of an intersection and just happened to hear the jet engines and just happened to get a shot of it when it hit. That is the first one. And then of course all the camera's was on the towers when the second one hit.
I have yet to see an airplane in any video actually strike one of the towers.
Even if you have dial up as I do, it is worth taking the time to down load the videos to watch them.
It takes my computor ove an hour to down load a 10 min video but I let it play for a few seconds and start it over.
It keeps gaining on the video each time you do this and buy doing it this way, you watch the beginning over and over and over but that in itself makes you catch things you wouldn't catch if you just palyed it one time.
I feel blessed now that I have dial up, because I saw a lot doing it this way that I know I would have missed even if I watched it a couple of times.
I hope you will take the time to try that.
Dennis

[crafty2002]

Bump, bump.
How many people here have not watched the videos yet??
So far I have gotten, "SHUT UP DENNIS"
Will my big mouth ever learn to shut up.
I won't say what I have succeded in doing, but showing these videos does actually wake people out of the slumber of stupidity and whatever else it was I was thinking before I could get it typed because of my hug I got from my Grandson. :) It was worth forgetting. When they just walk in and give you a hug, kind of like makes everything else seem useless at the time.
I can't remember the word I was going to use but you all get the point.
Watch the videos. Over and over again.
And show them to others please.
Dennis

[Michael32170]

What a buch of BS. They can't even keep their facts straight. They even conflict with their own information. Playing tapes that earlier claimed were ordered destroyed....etc.

[rAcErRicK]

What a buch of BS. They can't even keep their facts straight. They even conflict with their own information. Playing tapes that earlier claimed were ordered destroyed....etc.

Yeah, It's all BS. These people are BS.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

And these.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469

And thousands more. Should we sent these people a message and tell them that we here on this forum have much more knowledge and wisdom than they, and we have decided it is all just BS, and to call off the investigation ?

I am done with it, and will post no more. Not worth the hassle any more. Find out the truth the best way you can. Or not.

[sethwyo]

The tapes wore Ordered destroyed, Ordered destroyed, So they can NOT be shown because they wore Ordered destroyed? Even though they ARE being shown?
Speaking of B S

[Mamsy]

Mamsy, according to the reports, there "Just happened to be a french news cast" that just happened to be standing in the middle of an intersection and just happened to hear the jet engines and just happened to get a shot of it when it hit. That is the first one. And then of course all the camera's was on the towers when the second one hit.
I have yet to see an airplane in any video actually strike one of the towers.
Even if you have dial up as I do, it is worth taking the time to down load the videos to watch them.
It takes my computor ove an hour to down load a 10 min video but I let it play for a few seconds and start it over.
It keeps gaining on the video each time you do this and buy doing it this way, you watch the beginning over and over and over but that in itself makes you catch things you wouldn't catch if you just palyed it one time.
I feel blessed now that I have dial up, because I saw a lot doing it this way that I know I would have missed even if I watched it a couple of times.
I hope you will take the time to try that.
Dennis

It certainly is odd. I have thought and thought about it and about the Lusitania, then I think....no! Couldn't be....or could it be. For shame to even think it. :-/

[crafty2002]

What a buch of BS. They can't even keep their facts straight. They even conflict with their own information. Playing tapes that earlier claimed were ordered destroyed....etc.

I stay this way lately, but I am confused even more now. What are you saying is the bunch of BS? You have the right to think whichever way you wish to, but I would like to know if you watched all the tapes and think they are BS or if it is the gubbernuts that are the BS?
If you think it is the video's, please watch #12. I have rewatched them all and that is where Buch can't keep his facts straight or his foot out of his big mouth.
He s@#$s all over himself and it isn't any two ways about it.
I anyone watches that one video and doesn't see the truth, they are blind and death both.
Dennis

[gregabob]

Rhetorically, is it a mere coincidence that the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment (alleged income tax) were both passed in 1913? ;)
No, not a coincidence-they are part and parcel of the same plan to steal the wealth of the American people. And don't forget the 17th-taking away the state's power to appoint Senators by the Legislature. Now Senators are bought and sold like Representatives. State's rights took another hit with this ammendment.

[crafty2002]

gragabob, how do they do that and get away with it? It looks like they will but but I don't see how.
How long is it going to be before we get fed up with there evil shit and start to fight back.
It doesn't do any good to vote for anyone. All we do is vote for the lesser evil. What kind of a choise is that?
Well this guy is going to be a lot worde than this guy is so let's vote the one that won't rape us so bad.
I have had enough but one man can't do a damned thing by himself. Especialy when he's next door to broke.
We need a million man march on DC and this time they all need to be armed.
Remove the whole damned lot of them and start with a fresh bunch.
JMHO.
Dennis.

[gregabob]

The Federal Reserve was put in place by the likes of (the original) J.P. Morgan and his New York banker buddies, with the complicity of certain Senators-on both sides of the aisle. It was, and is, a collossal rip off of the American people, sold as a way to 'get' the rich of the time. Funny thing is, the Federal Reserve Act was written by the ultra rich of the time, to solidify their control of the financial industry. Want to know how we've been stolen from? Since 1913, a dollar has lost 95% of it's purchasing power thru inflation of the money supply. The Fed, a private cartel, controls the money supply. It inflates it by the scourge of fractional banking-a whole 'nuther subject. Constitutionally authorized money (gold and silver coins) doesn't suffer from inflation, because you have to mine the stuff, you can't create it out of thin air, like paper dollars. Think of it this way-the value of an ounce of gold in 50 AD, 1300AD, 1885, or today can buy a nice suit of clothes. Hard money can't be fiddled with by bankers or gov't easily, that's why they hate it so. But imagine how nice it would be if we could count on the value of our money to stay the same over our lifetimes! As a nation, we would be the envy of the world-and we were in the late 1800s-goods were getting cheaper, but our earnings weren't being eaten up by inflation. People were starting to use 'private capital' bypassing the big Eastern banks. The bankers worst fear is someone saying 'I don't need your funny money, my business can function on profits without loans to pay for supplies and payroll'. The bankers had to do something, so they and their bought Senators lied to us and enslaved this nation. The final shoe dropped when Nixon de-linked the dollar from gold in 1971. It was only a matter of time till we ended up where we are now. The Fed and Treasury have just pumped,what, $2 trillion of fiat money into the system recently? Just a matter of time till that works its way thru the system, and here comes inflation......big time.... :-/ Keynesian Economics is a disaster.... >:(

[crafty2002]

You are 100% correct about that gregabob. Our whole govenment is a thieveing bunch. They are like leaches. They are just sucking the blood out of the country and I'll be damned if I see anything we can do short of one heck of a march into DC, locked and loaded. But it'll surprise me if that ever happens. Evem if we threw every scum bags in DC in prison where they all belong, it would still take decades to get America back on track.
Dennis

[Michael32170]

You are 100% correct about that gregabob. Our whole govenment is a thieveing bunch. They are like leaches. They are just sucking the blood out of the country and I'll be damned if I see anything we can do short of one heck of a march into DC, locked and loaded. But it'll surprise me if that ever happens. Evem if we threw every scum bags in DC in prison where they all belong, it would still take decades to get America back on track.
Dennis

Well guess what, socal programs are more than 1/3 of th budgets, and is growing fast...........So, who else is doing some blood sucking?

[crafty2002]

Michael, that may have been true 8 years ago. But it is not true today. In two years they are going to have stole two+ trillion dollars from the working man.
I am on disability but I paid enough into SS that if that money had been managed correctly at 5% interest compounded monthly, but I would be a 3/4 millionair right now. I could buy 50 acreas of land, a tractor with implements, several goats, pigs, couple hundren chickens, some turkeys, rabbits and even in the shape I am in, I could manage it at my pace.
But nope, I get $694 a month that's not enough to buy a good pot to piss in.
That's what makes my blood boil. I worked my @$$ off all my life. Worked every shut down I could get and the more hours I could get the better I liked it. I worked 106 hours one week. We were working 7/12's and a few days they needed me to hang in there a few more hours.
The job always came first to me. Well, my familly always comes first, but the paychecks was for my family to start with so there you go.
They took out more money out of my checks a lot of times than most of my friends made in a week. And there were many weeks paychecks like that. They would take out $300-400 a week and damn it, I earned that money. They took it and want to pay me pennies back when I need it. THEY STOLE IT FROM ME AND THEY REALLY STEELING NOW.
I snap at a few people here but it is because I see what is going on and most people has got their eyes closed to it. And then they want to cut me down, and act like I am the stupid one. You said yourself that building 7 worried you.
If that worries you, why doesn't the twin towers worry you. Mike, if they took one down, they took them all down.
Go back and watch the #12 video and watch it several times. Bush is the lieing SOB on the planet today.
If you will watxh that three times, you will go back and watch the rest of them without anyone asking you to.
It is time for an uprising while we can.
The uninformed is going to be the loosers.
Dennis

[crafty2002]

I just watched the video at the end of reply #11 for the first time.
This video is supposed to show a woman standing in one of the gapping holes in the building, but I never seen her.
I couldn't see what it was supposed to be the reason for this video, But What I Did See was something that shows more proof of what I belive than anything I have saw yet.
The places the holes were at in the building.
I pulled up a picture of a 767 jet airliner and just as I thought, the fuselage stands well above the two engines. The wings are attached at the bottom of the fuselage and the engines hang from the wings.
The only way a 767 hit that building and made the holes where they were is if the plane was flying upside down.
The one hole in the middle was several floors below the two outer holes. How did the engines get above the fuselage in a split second when they were hanging below the wings that were mounted at the bottom af the fuselage??
Look at the video with this in mine and if this doesn't make you see something is amiss, you are blind at a bat.

[crafty2002]

How come non of the videos will play any more??
Out of 8 or 9 I tried I got one to play.
Dennis

[rAcErRicK]

How come non of the videos will play any more??
Out of 8 or 9 I tried I got one to play.
Dennis

Dennis, I played 6,7,12, and 19, all are ok. It must be a problem with your hookup.

It would not surprise me if they were to be pulled though, I have found many of the telling ones on other subjects that have been removed. :-/

[rAcErRicK]

US Senator Karen Johnson speaking to congress on the 9-11 matter.

Is she too, a conspiracy theorist ? And most of all, who is it that must bring this to you ? The MSM ? Or for that matter, anyone on this planet who has the ability and the equipment to do so ? Not to mention the intestinal fortitude (read balls) to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLRIq_gahM

[333]

Peace,

Sorry it brought me to a National awards day ceremony that lasted 59 seconds, perhaps a title of the video we're supposed to see, there was none related to Karen Johnson. *:-/

I will however check a couple others out ::)

Nice blimps HUH

??? ??? ???

333

[rAcErRicK]

Peace,

Sorry it brought me to a National awards day ceremony that lasted 59 seconds, perhaps a title of the video we're supposed to see, there was none related to Karen Johnson. *:-/

I will however check a couple others out ::)

333

Thanks 333, it is me who is to apologize. My machine has either crashed, or been partially disabled. I am able to post this now, and am working to identify the problem. I ask your patience. *

OK, I think I am back in business. One of the links to the senator should now work, and there are more, I am searching for them.

[rAcErRicK]

And here is, finally the video I originally tried to post. Again, sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWcXgQ9RcEo

Blimps ??

Anyone want to make me a bet that this will also be coming out of the consp. theory and into the light of day soon ?

Actually, it already IS ! Is not the Senator presenting it RIGHT NOW to congress ? And is that not news, and current events ?

How about an official ruling 333 ?

[rAcErRicK]

bump. and blimp ? :D

[333]

Peace,

Sorry I was away for the weekend but I finally did get to see the video thank you. I am not sure where she was giving her address to the folks in that room, however I believe it is irrelevant where she was the fact remains she is standing up.

Even though I felt disgust as the camera panned around the room to those that were "listening" to her, they were out right bored or dismissive, they did not even open her handouts.

By all means start a new thread in current events, there is a fella starving himself over the issue, and a senator calling for reinvestigation, Bobby Sands got his attention why is the media not covering Mr Blair?

The blimps were another video about Homeland Security High altitude zepplins spying on americans, caught on tape they created quite a stir in the UFO business, then no more news at all about them.

Yes I agree the senators remarks and Mr Blairs behavior are a current event.

333

[rAcErRicK]

Thanks much 333. As time permits, I will repost on the now appropriate board, and link down to this one, for additional info, as there is much. Amazing, how fast now, the old "outcast" news, becomes accepted as new truth, OVERNIGHT ! But it must first be covered by the MSM, to be awarded it's credibility. What's wrong with this picture ? Talk about mind control ! *Which only gives more credit to Alex Jones motto, "it's the battle for our minds". Unfortunately though, some have been so long since gone, they no longer function. Which brings to mind, the 3 monkeys.

** * ::) 8) :-X

;)

[huckelberry]

took a long time to get thru all that,wow....so we,ve been had ...again...now what,if somebody has a good answer im all ears >:(

[333]

Peace,

House cleaning, that's the only way I can see but the monster is too big, and too needy, so many people on the tax payers dime, I wonder how many thousands if not hundreds of thousands of jobs are useless positions that we pay for....

333

[Oldman]

You are talking millions, 333.
Millions

[rivahmom]

Bump

[huckelberry]

if the whole gubermint went home tomorrow,i wouldnt notice..... ;D

[Oldman]

Thanks Rick, for posting this and thanks 333 for allowing it to spread somewhat, but it should be posted on the general board so more people will see it. They can keep their eyes closed if that's what they want, but I am using post like this one to open eyes that would never open without the vids stuck in my favorites so pull them up in an instant.

I will tell you the way I see it. From everything I have seen, G.w. Bush was pushing the buttons on this. I don't have a doubt in my mind.
Cheney was in on it. Cheney may very well been the one pushing the buttons. He seemed the meanest of the two. But that, we'll never know for sure.
And I know there were senators on both sides that were, and are still in on it or else it wouldn't have spread worse than the swine flu spread, and that's getting worse.
But this tape was made June 8, 2008 I think it was. How far did that get us???? What has happened since then?? It has even gotten worse that it was.
I wonder if Johnson is even still alive and if so, if she is still after the truth ? My money says she's shut the heck up by now. They don't care about one woman any more than they care about us.
You can't fight these crooks with the pen and paper like so many of you think we can. It just doesn't work.
It'll take torcher to get to the bottom of this and Amerioca can't stand for that.
That's evil, but look what they did to helpless people. Bush knew it was going on and for what reason? He's the one that started the crap to start with.
Thanks again Rick and 333.
Oldman

[rAcErRicK]

Well, I kinda' got mixed feelings about moving it Oldman. Here it at least is handy, and near the "top" where anyone seeking knowledge can find it. If it were moved to "current events", it would in a matter of a few short hours, be buried under a mountain of stuff, never to be seen again. Not to mention, having to argue with a half dozen sheeple every day about it belonging here. Most are happy and content with their heads in the ???? So, my thinking is, if they wanna' sleep, let 'em sleep. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. Far be it from me, to wake up anyone who chooses to sleep. If you want to repost any of it though, have at it, and good luck. :D ;D Actually, being in two places would not hurt a thing.

The part that gets me is that they call this a conspiracy, which could not be farther from the truth. The conspiracy has already happened, our nation has already been taken. How can the truth about what has already happened be a conspiracy ? A conspiracy is a plot to takeover, or an attempt to overthrow a government, and this is not an attempt to overthrow anything. Only to show where it went. That's a done deal, and it was not done by we the people.

[Oldman]

You are sorta right Rick, but I am finding that my little group of sleeping people are waking up from post like these and it is spreading.
I have more people that I would call a friend now than I ever had in my life. And it's because I woke up a few to start with, with the video's that I have found right here on line.
People I had never met before are bringing people that I have never met before to see what I have saved in the favorites or on a disc.
Word is spreading bro. A little at a time, but eyes are being opened.
On the other hand, you are true that one can lead a horse to water but not make it drink. But sometimes you can kick it in the butt and make it bend it's head down.
We need every person we can get to open their eyes.
If posting this stuff on GF would get one person, then just maybe that person will get another, etc.
That's what is happening at my house.
Oldman.

[333]

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