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Tightwad
11-02-2006, 06:30 AM
Found on bikeforums.net today.......(post by: erraticrider)

Retired Federal Judges Join Detainees in Effort to Overturn Tribunal Law
Thursday, November 02, 2006

WASHINGTON — Seven retired federal judges from both political parties have joined dozens of Guantanamo Bay detainees in urging an appeals court to declare key parts of President Bush's new anti-terrorism law unconstitutional.

The judges, in a rare court filing Wednesday, said stripping courts of the right to question how the military handles terrorism suspects "challenges the integrity of our judicial system" and effectively sanctions the use of torture.

Bush signed a law this month allowing the military to arrest people overseas and detain them indefinitely without allowing them to use the U.S. courts to contest their detention. Bush hailed the law, which established a system of military trials, as a crucial tool in the war on terrorism and said it would allow prosecution of several high-level terror suspects.

For detainees challenging their imprisonment, the law locks them out of the civilian court system. Dozens of detainees argued Wednesday that the law is unconstitutional, and the retired judges echoed that in their own papers filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

"We believe that compelling this court to sanction executive detentions based on evidence that has been condemned in the American legal system since our nation's founding erodes the vital role of the judiciary in safeguarding the rule of law," the judges wrote.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227014,00.html

jim
11-02-2006, 06:33 AM
I don't care what they do to foreign national terrorists. American citizens should never be exposed to the same treatment though.

jim

Tightwad
11-02-2006, 06:45 AM
Jim, like it or not America must treat ALL prisoners
humanely to always take the high road to decency.

Once on the low road there's no going back. Once there
America becomes no better than the terrorist we are fighting.

jim
11-02-2006, 08:57 AM
I see your point, but historically, we've been extremely rough on Pirates, and "insurgents" (what we called terrorists before that term was coined). The US was harder on Confederate POW's than we have been on these muslim lunatics. I doubt in this age of advanced drugs that real torture would be as effective or take less time than a good dose of sodium tentithol or the like.

How do you feel about drugging them for questioning?

jim

Tightwad
11-02-2006, 09:08 AM
Drugs? No, that is on the low road, Sorry.

There are many, many mind games that work as
well or better since we have the time. *

Once captured a terrorist is at the mercy of a whole range
of tactics that are not physical. These tactics can break anyone
given the time to work them.

I will say that if "WE" were to discover a WMD device that can
cause massive harm all bets are off. In those cases only, one has
to do whatever it takes to save the many. *There will be shame
for walking the low road to be sure but if you save the many then
the shame will be blunted as a price of war.

jim
11-02-2006, 10:04 AM
Not even the sodium tentathol that is used as a seditive for operations, and causes no harm?

Tightwad
11-02-2006, 11:55 AM
Not even the sodium tentathol that is used as a seditive for operations, and causes no harm?

Nope, sorry. The use of ANY drug that is not medical in nature IS
un-American torture. A drug is a drug is a drug. Can't seperate the
use .....unless.....WMD are found to involved and we are positive
beyond any doubt that the suspect has knowledge of the WMD.

In those case ONLY "I" shall do whatever is required to save
the many. I'll answer to God later about how "I" got the info......

libertylover
11-02-2006, 02:52 PM
I do care what happened to any human being,
no matter if they be foreign or our own people.

For example, I want the Mexican illegals to go
back but I do not want any harm to come to them.
This ICE plan we have for the foreigners sound
so much like slave worker prison camps. No, no
this isn't right.