Another new development in the O White House

[pcrowder]

Guess "Ameri-corps" volunteerism wasn't good enough, now it's gonna be mandatory.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80829

[madmac]

That is completely insane. So what are they gonna do if the kid doesn't participate or the parents refuse such conduct. What do they plan on doing if certain religious groups refuse based on beliefs. This is interesting and troubling at the same time.

[crafty2002]

All I am getting to come up is a picture of a cheeseburger and a little writing.
So what is this one about???

[pcrowder]

crafty - let it load awhile - it takes a minute....

[pcrowder]

crafty - I sent the text of it to you offline, but forgot to put the subject in..

[crafty2002]

Thanks, pcrowder. There isn't any chance you are Pam Crowder and 54 years old is it, LOL. I used to have a girlfriend in school with that name and lost her when I went in the army, LOL.
But back to the subject, that's about what it will take to get the ball rolling for a revolution.
I'll damned sure put my foot down on that one. I still have a daughter in school and 8 grand children. Hell no, this ain't gonna happen. Not with my daughter nor grandkids, not in my life time anyway.
I might die fighting it but I got to go sometime. At least I'll go out the way I would want to if it comes to this $hit.
Thanks for posting this. The more I look and read the madder I get. Makes you want to be the one that starts it all.

[pcrowder]

No, sorry I'm not Pam. Close to the same age, close, no cigar! Crowder is my married name.
I agree. The more we hear and read, the scarier it becomes. My husband for the last 2 yrs kept telling me to stop being an alarmist and quit watching the news and stuff, cuz NONE of the stuff was gonna happen. Well, guess what? He's a BELIEVER now! ;D ;D ;D Even HE is very concerned now. I shudder to think of what the future holds. :o :(

[Buck]

"would "require" all middle school through college students to participate in community service programs."

And tell me just what's wrong with kids giving back to our country
instead of take , take ,take. Many kids do this on their own all this
would do is help kids mature while they give back to many civic
groups that are starved for help.

There was a time in America where it was 'expected' to help thy
neighbor. Remember?

[kberg]

"would "require" all middle school through college students to participate in community service programs."

And tell me just what's wrong with kids giving back to our country
instead of take , take ,take. Many kids do this on their own all this
would do is help kids mature while they give back to many civic
groups that are starved for help.

There was a time in America where it was 'expected' to help thy
neighbor. Remember?

Citizen not subject! If you want to give then give, don't force others to because you don't want to!

[rivahmom]

"would "require" all middle school through college students to participate in community service programs."

And tell me just what's wrong with kids giving back to our country
instead of take , take ,take. Many kids do this on their own all this
would do is help kids mature while they give back to many civic
groups that are starved for help.

There was a time in America where it was 'expected' to help thy
neighbor. Remember?

We have laws against involuntary servitude AKA slavery. It is the job of a parent to teach a child how to be a good person not the governments.

[Cuznguido]

This country could just fine with a few million fewer social workers and civic organizations. Solitude and individuality are good things.

[Buck]

*Solitude and individuality are good things.

With 6+ BILLION people on the planet this is getting really hard to do! :o

[fnfredux]

BUT ...I am NOT responsible for 6BILLION people I am respobsible for ME and MINE...
Each of us MUST learn that.
I care NOT for 6 BILLION people I care for those that depend on me and those I depend on. If everyone felt that way the world wouuld take care of itself.
I suggest that if you are truly concerned for everyone and you think that involuntary slavery is GOOD...you divest yourself of all assets, do thwe same for your nearset and dearest and sell yourself and your nearest and dearest into servitude. Please don't tell me that MY grandchildren need to donate THEIR time to "community service". Their time should be spent at HOME doing chores around the house to serve their REAL community, their FAMILY.
Shades of Hillary...sort of reminds me of "IT Takes a VILLAGE...

[pcrowder]

BUT ...I am NOT responsible for 6BILLION people I am respobsible for ME and MINE...
Each of us MUST learn that.
I care NOT for 6 BILLION people I care for *those that depend on me and those I depend on. If everyone felt that way the world wouuld take care of itself.
I suggest that if you are truly concerned for everyone and you think that involuntary slavery is GOOD...you divest yourself of all assets, do thwe same for your nearset and dearest and sell *yourself and your nearest and dearest into servitude. Please don't tell me that MY grandchildren need to donate THEIR time to "community service". Their time should be spent at HOME doing chores around the house to serve their REAL community, their FAMILY.
Shades of Hillary...sort of reminds me of "IT Takes a VILLAGE...

;D

[rivahmom]

BUT ...I am NOT responsible for 6BILLION people I am respobsible for ME and MINE...
Each of us MUST learn that.
I care NOT for 6 BILLION people I care for *those that depend on me and those I depend on. If everyone felt that way the world wouuld take care of itself.
I suggest that if you are truly concerned for everyone and you think that involuntary slavery is GOOD...you divest yourself of all assets, do thwe same for your nearset and dearest and sell *yourself and your nearest and dearest into servitude. Please don't tell me that MY grandchildren need to donate THEIR time to "community service". Their time should be spent at HOME doing chores around the house to serve their REAL community, their FAMILY.
Shades of Hillary...sort of reminds me of "IT Takes a VILLAGE...

Thank you for speaking the truth.

[fnfredux]

"Somewhere between the age of 18 to 25 you will do three months of training. You can do it at some point in your college time," he said. "There can be nothing wrong with all Americans having a joint, similar experience of what we call civil defense training or civil service."

Emanuel said the planned requiring service "will give people a sense of what it means to be an American."

Evidently Emanuel does not KNOW himself what it means to "be an American". The true meaning of being ans American means the you are not forced into "civil service" or "civil defense training" unless in a time of national peril; or does he mean to provide that. I do believe he means to use our kids to make "reparations".
God I can see them marching the MARJORITY race down to places like Louisiana after Katrina and using our kids as slave labor to rebuild. *No, this has GOT to stop.

[crafty2002]

Buck, when I was in Columbus Ohio, in 1979, it snowed 27" while I was on a 13 hour shift at work. I drove home that night courtisy of my bosses 9" wide snow tread tires and 3 - 100 lb. bags of sand in the trunk. A few day later I was riding a bus and had to walk 4 blocks to get to where the bus route had stopped at. It had went further until the blizzard of 77-78 hit.
I had a cop pull up in front of me and ask me for an ID.
I handed him my drivers licence. I hadn't did anything. My time card proved I just got off work a few minutes before.
He rolled the car window back up and got on the radio. Then, after I stand there in the 15* temp and snow up to my @$$ and miss the freaking bus, he rolls the window back down and tells me I jay walked at the block behind me.
I looked back there and the weren't any don't walk signs that blink like they had back here in Danville.
I told him there isn't any Don't walk lights there.
He says there is a stop light.
I ask him "what do I look like to you, a Fu#$ing car"
"Watch your mouth son."
To make this short, after he gave me a $2 tickey for jay walking in 15* COOOLLLDDD weather, and him calling me down for my language several times, I ask him if it would be against the law if I told him he was the sorryest SOB I had ever met????????
(The only reason I hadn't already beat him senseless is because he had already called my ID in. I was straight out the army and in the best shape this body has ever been in)
He said hell yes and started to get out of the car. I grabbed the door and slambed it shut and told him I wouldn't say he was the sorriest SOB I ever saw and walked off, stopped about 10 feet from the car and turned around and yelled at him. He rolled the window back down and I told him I was damned well able to think it and if he didn't like it, go ahead and try to arrest me. He set there like a puppy dog.
I covered my @$$ that time. I'll cover it again now.
I am not going to call you the stupidest person I have ever heard of on the computor, but I can damned well think it. ;D
You actually think it would be right for obozo to force every kid from 18 to 25 to do this. When I was that age I slap didn't have time to give any more time to help than I already did.
This is bull$h!+ and if you can't see that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??????,,,, Hell I can't even think of anything else to say. Dumb. Just dumb. I guess I am just dumb because all I can think of is just dumb. ::)

[Funkhouser]

So it's like civilian conscription, right? It sounds like the CCC back in the 30's and 40's, minus the whole 'voluntary' part. It's like FDR with the volume turned all the way up. ::)

[Buck]

So it's like civilian conscription, right? *It sounds like the CCC back in the 30's and 40's, minus the whole 'voluntary' part. *It's like FDR with the volume turned all the way up. * ::)

Yes, Obama's "idea" isn't new at all. FDR used the youth to do many public
works projects inspite of what the chest pounding naysaysers say.

To wit....

"Youth corps are state and local programs that engage youth and young adults (ages 16-25) in full-time community service, training and educational activities. Corps are heirs to the tremendous legacy of the Civilian Conservation Corps, a Depression-era program that engaged six million young men in conservation work. From 1933-1942, President Roosevelt's "CCC boys" dramatically improved the nation's public lands, while also receiving food, shelter, education and a precious $30-a-month stipend that saved many of their families from hunger. Like the legendary CCC of the '30s, today's corps are a proven strategy for giving young men and women the chance to change their communities, their own lives and those of their families through service. "

http://www.milehighyouthcorps.org/about_us/mission.html

[pcrowder]

Yes, Obama's "idea" isn't new at all. FDR used the youth to do many public
works projects inspite of what the chest pounding naysaysers say.

To wit....

"Youth corps are state and local programs that engage youth and young adults (ages 16-25) in full-time community service, training and educational activities. Corps are heirs to the tremendous legacy of the Civilian Conservation Corps, a Depression-era program that engaged six million young men in conservation work. From 1933-1942, President Roosevelt's "CCC boys" dramatically improved the nation's public lands, while also receiving food, shelter, education and a precious $30-a-month stipend that saved many of their families from hunger. Like the legendary CCC of the '30s, today's corps are a proven strategy for giving young men and women the chance to change their communities, their own lives and those of their families through service. "

http://www.milehighyouthcorps.org/about_us/mission.html

[pcrowder]

Yes, Buck, but if he thinks it's gonna work this time, he doesn't know much about the Economy. Because of FDR and his "build roads and national parks", the Depression went on 8 yrs longer than it should have. It was the PERFECT solution to implement all of the failed social programs we have now, and Obama is just getting started. You think it's such a GREAT idea, YOU go do it Buck...the rest of us are against INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

[Funkhouser]

CCC was a good program in theory, but in practice it helped drag out the Depression, due to the drain in funds it created. A modern-day CCC would be a great voluntary program provided the funding came from local and state budgets. Or...perhaps it could exist as a 'prison work' program for non-violent offenders, where those incarcerated would earn their 'three hots and a cot'.

[stbernardm]

I think the public schools have a right to require community service as part of requirements for graduating. But to what extent, I don't know, that can become debatable because it is taxpayers that fund the schools.

I think it would be a good thing for students as long as it is reasonable and the schools have a good system set up. It would be a lot of work to have a solid system, and it would also be a lot of trouble issuing exemptions for certain students and how to base that.

[MooseToo]

I think the public schools have a right to require community service as part of requirements for graduating.


and just which portion of the constitution can you distort sufficiently in order to come up with that idea ?

[fnfredux]

Yes, Obama's "idea" isn't new at all. FDR used the youth to do many public
works projects inspite of what the chest pounding naysaysers say.

To wit....

"Youth corps are state and local programs that engage youth and young adults (ages 16-25) in full-time community service, training and educational activities. Corps are heirs to the tremendous legacy of the Civilian Conservation Corps, a Depression-era program that engaged six million young men in conservation work. From 1933-1942, President Roosevelt's "CCC boys" dramatically improved the nation's public lands, while also receiving food, shelter, education and a precious $30-a-month stipend that saved many of their families from hunger. Like the legendary CCC of the '30s, today's corps are a proven strategy for giving young men and women the chance to change their communities, their own lives and those of their families through service. "

http://www.milehighyouthcorps.org/about_us/mission.html


Now you old coot! I have two dogs I bred and donated who have done more for other humans than you have I'll bet! Tell me, no SHOW me with all your claptrap, what have YOU done. My dogs are waiting to hear.

I just happened to have this on my blog...Happy Thanks giving to you guys too. Well, most of you!

THANKSGIVING!!! There are many things I have to be thankful for, first and foremost my wonderful family. I have many blessings, most important of which are not of a tangible nature. This photo represents a more tangible blessing. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i164/wingspot/cares3-1.jpg
This is a photo of Scout Jr. at his graduation. He is the one wearing a harness.
I am the breeder of this lovely gent.
I gave him plenty of love exercise and a bit of training in his early puppyhood.
Before I bred his litter I vowed that I would donate one of the pups as a service dog. I chose the pup that I thought would be the best candidate, even BEFORE they openned their eyes. Scout Jr. was the one.
I arranged for his placement with an organization (I won't name it, might be to easy to find out about him then), he was place with a young man whom he helped earn his Eagle Scout badge for his next year. Following this he was placed with a trainer in the Rocky Mountains (yeah!). The photo you see here is his GRADUATION picture! He is with his new owners who were thrilled to have him. He is the arms and legs for this gentleman.
I am thankful that I was able to donate this pup. I am thankful that this pup of mine was able to achieve the level of "education" which allowed him to be of service to mankind. I am grateful to the organization which accepted him while harboring doubts about his breed as assistance dogs. He is, I was told at the time, the first and only German Shorthaired Pointer to BE a service dog. I am grateful to have had a small part in making at least one persons life easier...This is a rich reward in life...at least for me. You cannot BUY this. Along the line this dog was nothing BUT giving on everyone's part. And yes, even the gentleman that recieved the dog...he is giving Scout Jr. a purpose and lots of love.



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A couple of litters later, it was as if Scout Jr. was reborn. I saw this pup and knew...so he went on to become the second German Shorthaired Pointer to be a service dog. I lost touch with the gentleman that raised this boy (he named him Max, for maximum of everything he said). I do know that he graduated and was placed with a young girl.

For these things I am truly grateful.
Houses, cars, tangible assests, I learned a painful lesson in my early 30's, they can be taken away without warning. A life based on them is a truly poor life. Life is more about who you are and what you give than what you have and what you pose as.
What ever you "have" can run to zero...What you are, that is what matters. You'll surely leave this world with only what you came in with. YOU... it you're not happy with that, you've wasted your life.
Next year Scout Jr. is turning 12 in March. I suppose if he is still working, that will probably be retirement time. I'll bet he has earned his kibble all along. Hope he gets to go back to the Rockies for retirement. The man who trained him for a year actually cried at his graduation because Scout Jr. had to leave...

[fnfredux]

oh, and PS I am an EXTEREME conservative as are my dogs, goats, horses and even my cats! That;'s what conservatives DO, thay act, they don't TALK about OTHERS owing and OTHERS giving.

[fnfredux]

I think the public schools have a right to require community service as part of requirements for graduating. But to what extent, I don't know, that can become debatable because it is taxpayers that fund the schools.

I think it would be a good thing for students as long as it is reasonable and the schools have a good system set up. It would be a lot of work to have a solid system, and it would also be a lot of trouble issuing exemptions for certain students and how to base that.



AND WHO PRAY TELL WOULD OVERSEE THIS? The same people who have so efficiently caused our kids to drop far behind a large percentage of the world in math and science?
I cannot be lieve you think ANYONE but a kids parents dhould be able to force that kid to do any labor. What do you believe that a child is a second class citizen?? Are you active in community service? If not you have no right to expect it from anyone else.

[Terri]

Yeah, I would urge my Congress people to vote against this.

It is HARD to get started in America, when you need a job history to GET that first job, and so how is a person to get started? Let ALONE getting a part-time job as a senior, when your would-be employer KNOWS you will be taking off for 3-4 months!

Kids have it hard enough!

Now, in the CCC, those kids were WANTING work and could not find it, and looking to the CCC to give it to them! That is TOTALLY different!

[Buck]

Thanks for supporting my viewpoint. ;D ;D ;D

[MissouriFree]

Buck Buck Buck

Oncve again you miss the point..

The FDR CCC program did good work and " voluntary service " to your country is great

BUT this is not about " voluntary service .. it is about mandatory service. and that is wrong !

[pcrowder]

Thanks for supporting my viewpoint. ;D ;D ;D


To which post are you referring, Buck? You inserted an EMPTY QUOTE BOX and attributed it to me.

[Buck]

To which post are you referring, Buck? You inserted an EMPTY QUOTE BOX and attributed it to me.

The last post (your post) on the first page of this thread. You quoted me
then said.........nothing.

I took that as agreement..no?

[pcrowder]

No,I was not agreeing with you - I accidentally hit post - in my next response I answered you.