prediction for 2009:

[macgeoghagen]

Mr. obama would make a poor president, but an excellent martyr. Joe Biden knows this.

Stop me if this sounds far fetched:

Election day 2008: landslide obama victory

Inauguration day, 2009 joe biden does something to get obama killed. He either has his goons take obama out, hires neo-nazis or KKK to do it, or learns of a KKK or neo-nazi plot and just lets it happen

what next?
media outrage. this sparks public outrage
media demands who killed the chosen one.(the martyr)
an "investigation" reveals that it was white supremacist gun owners and red-staters!
The media demands government action, sways public opinion.
meanwhile, joe is inaugurated.
Here comes the next patriot act! with new laws that target gun ownership, militias, and free speech(dissent will be called "hate speech")
White people who are conservative are treated the same way we treated arabs after 9/11, with suspicion, violence, unlawful arrests, etc.
some will be taken to death camps.

[madmac]

Bidens dirty but not that dirty. I see it happening differently but interesting chain of events.

[madmac]

Obama wins presidency. Country goes into economic depression. New gun laws enacted shortly after Obama takes office. Civil unrest along with riots. Food shortages and loss of jobs contribute even more to crime. Martial law is inacted and civil war breaks out. Troops from the United nations are brought in. Many will parish. Outcome? Not really sure. I know I would like to see this country taken back and given to it's people, the true Americans.

[fordguy]

I can see what madmac said happening, I can also see this:
If McCain wins presidency - major cities on fire, riots. Martial law enacted and civil war breaks out.
Outcome? Not sure.
Sound like pretty much the same thing that mad mac said with a different person elected.

I still prefer McCain over Obama.

[crafty2002]

I have a friend that said he would never vote for Obama because he wants to raise taxes.
It took me 30 minutes to get him to tell me his best year ever was something over $160,000. He was pissed as all get out because they took $55,000 in federal taxes and he don't think any one that works hard enough to make that much money needs any more taxes so he is against Obama.
He is smart enough to clear $160,000 after all expences, but before taxes, owning a painting company but still can't figure out with Obama's plan he would have paid less taxes.
Obama is shooting for 1/4 mil and above where I would put my sites at also.
There are all kind of loop holes for a person that owns a company to avoid taxes.
Your wifes car can be deducted. Every penny you spend on it from insurance to gas and oil. Your house can be deducted.
All these people get taxed for is what they can not show as an expence and they are good at even having a steak and lobster at the restuarant without taxes.
That is the people that Obama wants to tax more and that needs to be done.

As Far As The Guns Go. He best not come to my door wanting them. And no one should be stupid enough to listen if he wants to send them.
All I need is a 30 second head start and there will be a war on.
And as far as McCain goes, after many nights thinking about his shit eating grin, I wonder why I risk my life to free people like that.
I would have died before becomeing a POW. I have no doubth about that. How did he become a POW????
As far as I am concerned he is a useless piece of junk.
Sorry Mac, that's just the way I feel about it. I don't see how a chicken shit POW, and he had to be Chicken vulgarity removed to become a POW to start with can help this country out.
Hell I got a Bad Conduct Discharge for not shooting a woman and beating the hell out of the sarge and Lt. That's better than saying OK, I give up, take me prisoner. Maybe I should be president. ::)
I actually think I would be better than anyone running, until they killed me. That wouldn't take long to happen unless I could hand choose my compamy of men to protact me because that is what it would take after I started rocking the boat.
I don't care for either one of them but McCain is off the scale for me. Clinton, Bush and then McCain. Check Mate.
Bush has us in Check already.
JMO
Dennis

[Buck]

Mr. obama would make a poor president, but an excellent martyr. Joe Biden knows this.

Stop me if this sounds far fetched:

Election day 2008: landslide obama victory

Inauguration day, 2009 joe biden does something to get obama killed. He either has his goons take obama out, hires neo-nazis or KKK to do it, or learns of a KKK or neo-nazi plot and just lets it happen

what next?
media outrage. this sparks public outrage
media demands who killed the chosen one.(the martyr)
an "investigation" reveals that it was white supremacist gun owners and red-staters!
The media demands government action, sways public opinion.
meanwhile, joe is inaugurated.
Here comes the next patriot act! with new laws that target gun ownership, militias, and free speech(dissent will be called "hate speech")
White people who are conservative are treated the same way we treated arabs after 9/11, with suspicion, violence, unlawful arrests, etc.
some will be taken to death camps.


You gotta lay off the bad booze yer drinking, mate. It's rotting your brain!!

This is the worst kinda fear mongering to put up on the web or anywhere
else. Can't you see it's nothing more that "crazy talk"? If one were to
believe that you ment one word of it one would be convinced you are
mentally ill and that can't be so......IS IT??

SO CALM DOWN ALREADY!! THE SKY ISN'T GOING TO FALL AND AMERICA
WILL SURVIVE NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED !!!!

[MooseToo]

I would have died before becomeing a POW. I have no doubth about that. How did he become a POW????
As far as I am concerned he is a useless piece of junk.
Sorry Mac, that's just the way I feel about it. I don't see how a chicken shit POW, and he had to be Chicken shit to become a POW to start with can help this country out.

*

sorry - i just can't see this garbage issuing from a sane, let alone sober, mind -
you end your post with IMO - well, the above is not opinion, it is delusion -

[crafty2002]

sorry - i just can't see this garbage issuing from a sane, let alone sober, mind -
you end your post with IMO - well, the above is not opinion, it is delusion -


Moose, you can look at the vulgarity removed eating grin he has when Obama says anything, and I mean anything that cuts just a little deep, the vulgarity removed eating grin he gets.
He's like, let me lay my weapon down and give up and grin at the enemy. Maybe he won't whip me so bad.
I don't like Obama either, but at least he isn't some made up poster boy just because he was a POW.
I will say I said I would have died first and I don't know if that is true or not. I was robbed once with a .38 stuck to my nose and no, I didn't do a damned thing about it.
I was setting in a truck that wasn't running, had no gun, as soon as the pistol came in my window someone grabbed me from the back side and I gave it up. That's what he said, give it up and yes I gave it up.
I left there and went and bought the first 9mm I have and went hunting. Never found him but I went hunting.
So I can't say what his situation was but riding to the White House on the coat tails of being a POW isn't what I would want to be doing.
I would like to have a video of just how he was captured tho.
He just strikes me as a wimp that almost walked into the camp because he was hungry. I can't see him even trying to fight his way out.
Please don't get me wrong here. I know there were a lot of POW's that simply didn't have a choice but to give up and go through what they had to go through and that is why I did what I did. But McCain doesn't strike me as someone I would risk my life for again.
Him or Obama either one. They both crawled out from under the same rock as far as I am concerned.

[333]

Peace,


Election day 2008: landslide obama victory

Inauguration day, 2009 joe biden does something to get obama killed. He either has his goons take obama out, hires neo-nazis or KKK to do it, or learns of a KKK or neo-nazi plot and just lets it happen


For the sheer fun of it;

Theoretical attempt on potus elect, initiated by vpotus elect, goes extremely awry and both are deposed, new potus, the speaker of the house. NOW WHAT LOL

333

[madmac]

I am not for assasinations. We may be looking at a real bad choice but that's what we have been dealt and that's what we will have to live with. I don't think the president no matter whom my take office will or can fix our economy. Nor can he unravel the foreign BS policies we have written over the years. Nor will he hold banking and other lenders accountable. Maybe we should start with congress. Make them accountable or throw them in prison. They are the true crooks. Then maybe go after the media for all their lies, failure to report and give complete details. They have done well in supporting Obama and kicking McCain every chance the could. Their media hipe is nothing short of a crime in its self.

[MooseToo]

Moose, you can look at the grin he has when Obama says anything, and I mean anything that cuts just a little deep, the grin he gets.
He's like, let me lay my weapon down and give up and grin at the enemy. Maybe he won't whip me so bad.
I don't like Obama either, but at least he isn't some made up poster boy just because he was a POW.
I will say I said I would have died first and I don't know if that is true or not. I was robbed once with a .38 stuck to my nose and no, I didn't do a damned thing about it.
I was setting in a truck that wasn't running, had no gun, as soon as the pistol came in my window someone grabbed me from the back side and I gave it up. That's what he said, give it up and yes I gave it up.
I left there and went and bought the first 9mm I have and went hunting. Never found him but I went hunting.
So I can't say what his situation was but riding to the White House on the coat tails of being a POW isn't what I would want to be doing.
I would like to have a video of just how he was captured tho.
He just strikes me as a wimp that almost walked into the camp because he was hungry. I can't see him even trying to fight his way out.
Please don't get me wrong here. I know there were a lot of POW's that simply didn't have a choice but to give up and go through what they had to go through and that is why I did what I did. But McCain doesn't strike me as someone I would risk my life for again.
Him or Obama either one. They both crawled out from under the same rock as far as I am concerned.

again - your depictions of mccain's pow experience are beneath contempt - not even the most fanatical obama campaign worker has the gall to attempt something as stupid as your ridiculous smear -
you nauseate me - probably nauseate nearly every reader of your garbage -

[crafty2002]

again - your depictions of mccain's pow experience are beneath contempt - not even the most fanatical obama campaign worker has the gall to attempt something as stupid as your ridiculous smear -
you nauseate me - probably nauseate nearly every reader of your garbage -



Do you mean to tell me you can watch that wimp on TV and not see wimp wrote all over his face.
Like I said, I don't like Obama either. They are both the scum of the earth. It just really gets me by the balls to think I risked my life to help free McCain if he came out after my last trip. He is a wimp of all wimps if I ever seen one.
And no, Obama isn't any better.
I guess what really pisses me off is they are the only ones we have to choose from.

[pcrowder]

Obama wins presidency. Country goes into economic depression. New gun laws enacted shortly after Obama takes office. Civil unrest along with riots. Food shortages and loss of jobs contribute even more to crime. Martial law is inacted and civil war breaks out. Troops from the United nations are brought in. Many will parish. Outcome? Not really sure. I know I would like to see this country taken back and given to it's people, the true Americans.

madmac - Your scenario seems the most plausible to me. Am hoping for the best, but alas, am having to prepare for the worst.

[cinok]

Crafty, Mac Didn't lay his weapon down it was blown out from under his butt.

[Buck]

Moose, you can look at the grin he has when Obama says anything, and I mean anything that cuts just a little deep, the grin he gets.
He's like, let me lay my weapon down and give up and grin at the enemy. Maybe he won't whip me so bad.
I don't like Obama either, but at least he isn't some made up poster boy just because he was a POW.
I will say I said I would have died first and I don't know if that is true or not. I was robbed once with a .38 stuck to my nose and no, I didn't do a damned thing about it.
I was setting in a truck that wasn't running, had no gun, as soon as the pistol came in my window someone grabbed me from the back side and I gave it up. That's what he said, give it up and yes I gave it up.
I left there and went and bought the first 9mm I have and went hunting. Never found him but I went hunting.
So I can't say what his situation was but riding to the White House on the coat tails of being a POW isn't what I would want to be doing.
I would like to have a video of just how he was captured tho.
He just strikes me as a wimp that almost walked into the camp because he was hungry. I can't see him even trying to fight his way out.
Please don't get me wrong here. I know there were a lot of POW's that simply didn't have a choice but to give up and go through what they had to go through and that is why I did what I did. But McCain doesn't strike me as someone I would risk my life for again.
Him or Obama either one. They both crawled out from under the same rock as far as I am concerned.


CLEAN IT UP, MATE!! Swear words are not allowed on this board.

[madmac]

Crafty, Mac Didn't lay his weapon down it was blown out from under his butt.

And what is this all about?

[cinok]

Reponse to his rant the third paragraph he starts in on McCain

[crafty2002]

. Maybe we should start with congress. Make them accountable or throw them in prison. They are the true crooks. Then maybe go after the media for all their lies, failure to report and give complete details.

Mac, to start with, I have no idea why cinok put your name into anything.
Second, The part I left of your post above, is what I have been saying for 2 decades or more.
I don't think there is a single person in elected office that has been there for more than a single term that shouldn't be in jail for one reason or another.
If we could put a fine tooth comb on them and search everything we could about each one of them, I would bet 3 to 1 that 90% of them are felons, one way or another.
If it were me that done what most of them do, I wouldn't ever get out of jail nor anyone else that has ever worked for a living.

The big business doesn't give a fart about a little guy, or gal. They never have.
Unions use to be a good thing when they could be put together but even the danged union leaders started being corrupt and that didn't take long either.
I know it won't do any good but I am voting for the under dogs this time around. It won't be MaCain or Obama either.
And for the rest, it won't be for any one that has already held whatever they are running for this time.
And I still feel the same way about McCain. Maybe it's because he reminds me of a wimpy Lt. that danged near got us all three killed on one of the trips to Nam, with his snibbling crying.
The fatherless child looks just like that Lt. That cheshire eating grin and all.
I would rather have a dog for a president. At least I could train him to bite when needed and sey when needed.
McCain would be just like Bush. A bulley with no bally wallys of his own. Spend the countries welfare and not get squat done after all this time in a country that isn't as big as several of our states. ::)

[333]

Peace,

Crafty2002,

Please refrain from the vulgarity inferred and actual, this is a family site.

Thank you

So we are all happy with pelosi as potus then???

333

[crafty2002]

I apoligize 333 to you and all else. This whole dang election thing has just got my blood boiling.
Our whole government isn't anything but the mafia anymore. They just rob us leagally is the only difference. They make a law, steal 10 billion bucks a month from all of us and no one cares. Oh well, easy come, easy go.
Sell the companies our fathers and grandfathers built with their bload and sweat, and sometimes their lifes, and they just sell them to other countries. *They don't care.
Pay for our troops, out sons and daughters to go to other countries to fight wars we shouldn't be in and teach them how to fight against people and not give a dang about them. No one cares.
It has just got my goat.
I am just praying there are enough of us old soldies still willing and able to fight WTSHTF.
If not it is going to be a bad time. It's going to be a bad time as it is.
I just pray we can hook up and fight a common enemy. Our own government. *

PS. No, I am not happy with a single one of them.

[Buck]

I apoligize 333 to you and all else. This whole dang election thing has just got my blood boiling.
Our whole government isn't anything but the mafia anymore. They just rob us leagally is the only difference. They make a law, steal 10 billion bucks a month from all of us and no one cares. Oh well, easy come, easy go.
Sell the companies our fathers and grandfathers built with their bload and sweat, and sometimes their lifes, and they just sell them to other countries. *They don't care.
Pay for our troops, out sons and daughters to go to other countries to fight wars we shouldn't be in and teach them how to fight against people and not give a dang about them. No one cares.
It has just got my goat.
I am just praying there are enough of us old soldies still willing and able to fight WTSHTF.
If not it is going to be a bad time. It's going to be a bad time as it is.
I just pray we can hook up and fight a common enemy. Our own government. *

PS. No, I am not happy with a single one of them.





We all can understand the passion during this election season BUT most
of us use our MATURITY to reign in what we say here and in mixed
company. So should you.............

Apoligize accepted but please be more mindful that this is a 'family' board.

[Quietgentleman]

My predictions for 09 are the sun will rise in the east and set in the west all yr long. It'll be colder in Jan than in july here in Iowa. Government spending will go up and also along with it becoming bigger and more intrusive. Either under a demo or repub president. Because the united states didn't vote for real change they voted for the continuation of imperial america. Sad to say they still are convinced there is a difference between both parties.

QGM

[madmac]

Crafty, it wasn't my name but Mccains. I thought so too at first. Anyway no biggy. QGM, it is true what you say but we as citizens are not really given much choice or say in what's being done these days. We seem to have grown so big as a country we can't get on the same page on any given day. What we have now is hind site. maybe I am wrong and missing something here. A lot of folks want to blame the baby boomers. Well as far back as I can recall we have been told one thing from government only to see something completely different as an outcome. Bad choices in political leaders? You bet. It was no different back then than it is now. I feel our government has been slowly molding us into what we have today through lies and smoke screens. Personally I would like to see the members of congress in prison for the money they have taken over the years. Maybe a few senators as well. Hey as individuals we are defeated. Team work seems out of the realm and everyday the American dream get's a little piece carved away from it by yet another greedy politician.

[flatwater]

crafty2002
Did you smoke a lot of pot when you were in Nam ?
flatwater

[crafty2002]

Crafty, it wasn't my name but Mccains. I thought so too at first. Anyway no biggy. QGM, it is true what you say but we as citizens are not really given much choice or say in what's being done these days. We seem to have grown so big as a country we can't get on the same page on any given day. What we have now is hind site. maybe I am wrong and missing something here. A lot of folks want to blame the baby boomers. Well as far back as I can recall we have been told one thing from government only to see something completely different as an outcome. Bad choices in political leaders? You bet. It was no different back then than it is now. I feel our government has been slowly molding us into what we have today through lies and smoke screens. Personally I would like to see the members of congress in prison for the money they have taken over the years. Maybe a few senators as well. Hey as individuals we are defeated. Team work seems out of the realm and everyday the American dream get's a little piece carved away from it by yet another greedy politician.

I am sure you heard of the milion man march to Washington. We need a 10 million man march and I would walk every step of the way if it took me a year to get there. Ya'll just got to give me a head start. ;D

And no, I dang sure didn't smoke any pot in Nam. Why, did you?
Hey it may have helped us both. I just wasn't ever there long enough to think about it.

[333]

Peace,

Understand you are not alone on a great many of your arguments, the passion behind them is understood as well. Lots of folks been around here for some time and for certain they empathize with you. Everyone needs to keep in the back of their mind that there very well might be some ones child visiting the site and forum.
No sweat though, we appreciate your remorse and understanding.

Thanks

333

[wabbiter]

Obama wins presidency. Country goes into economic depression. New gun laws enacted shortly after Obama takes office. Civil unrest along with riots. Food shortages and loss of jobs contribute even more to crime. Martial law is inacted and civil war breaks out. Troops from the United nations are brought in. Many will parish. Outcome? Not really sure. I know I would like to see this country taken back and given to it's people, the true Americans.

do you mean indians?????

[macgeoghagen]

so much venom returned for a fairly innocent conspiracy theory presented in the spirit of conspiracy theories everywhere.

[madmac]

so much venom returned for a fairly innocent conspiracy theory presented in the spirit of conspiracy theories everywhere.

True. Seems like everything goes that way. Just theory and nothing more.