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Backwoods_Bob
01-15-2007, 10:26 AM
Hey y'all -
Been a while since I posted.

In the past I've written about our little off grid backwoods homestead and the staw bale cottage my wife and I built.
Our latest project is this barn -
As I got a digital camera for christmas I thought I'd share a bit.

This barn was designed to house two horses and a few milk goats.
It needed to also hold a long winters supply of feed, and it was very important that it be designed in such a way as to minimize the amount of work associated with the daily chores associated with keeping such animals, not add to the burden.
For me, the last meant that it must have a hay loft for the convenient storage and feeding of the animals, and an area dedicated to milking, and a small area for tool and tack storage.
I know to many folk ho have hay stored outside under tarps, or in a building several hundred feet from the animals. Some folk have separate milking parlors.
I wanted none of that.
It needed to be as easy as possible to build, and use only the tools we had on hand and the skills we already possessed because no labor other than my own and my wife's would go into the building of it.
It needed to have enough windows for light inside, because we're off grid. I didn't want a gloomy interior.
It needed to hold up to tremendous snow loads.

Perhaps above all else, it needed to be cheap, too!

What we came up with is this rustic looking building. The bottom half is 22' wide and 24' long. The top part is 24'x24', giving a foot overhang on the sides.
One side will house two 10'x12' horse stalls.
A six foot isle runs from the front of the building to the goats stall in the back.
The goat stall is L shaped. The back 12' x 6' area is raised up almost a foot with dirt and bedding.
The lower 6' x 6' area faces the feeder.
The four animals currently living here seem to like the arrangement.
The feeder opens into another 6' x 6' bay which is where the ladder to the loft is located, and this space will also be used to hold tools and tack.
The last 6' x 6' bay is for milking.

On the sides it has full length plastic panels up high enough so as not to be damaged by animals ( hopefully ) and covered by the overhang so as not to be covered with snow. They have worked out great, and admit a great deal of light.
It was my wifes' idea to build it against a bank, so we could walk right into the second story hay loft.
It is quite nice to be able to back a pickup right up to the door and just throw the hay in!

The design of the back wall was, for us, the biggest design problem. I didn't want to pour a huge concrete wall because of the difficulty and cost involved.
Many ideas were tossed about, and we decided to dry stack blocks and fill them with concrete by hand, one coffee can at a time.
The rest of the structure is an ordinary pole building, supported by a great many cedar logs I cut from my property.
The longest span under the hay loft is only ten feet.
All the poles also gives us plenty of uprights to connect interior framing to.
It is sided with old rough cut 1" boards, tar paper and old metal roofing.
The roof is made of new metal, new OSB, old salvaged tar paper and most of the 2x4s used for the trusses are new.

Total cost was a bit over 3,000 bucks, not counting the excavating.

Backwoods_Bob
01-15-2007, 10:34 AM
I started work on the barn the winter before last, felling trees and peeling the bark off them where they lay, then leaving 'em there in the woods till I needed them.

That summer I scrounged building material from all over town, and came away with a big pile of OSB scraps and misc lengths of 2x4s, 2x6s, and 2x8s.
I even scrounged up a bucket of old hinges and plenty of old roofing metal.

We had been saving our coin to hire an excavator and hired one at the beginning of the fall.
He carved us a new flat spot where a hill formerly was, as well as dug us a pond, pulled stumps, made new roads and generally changed the face of "Planet Bob", our homestead.

Then came the hard part - My wife and I dug a footing trench, filled it with gravel and poured a little footing slab over that.
Then we dry stacked concrete blocks to make the back wall, and filled the blocks with concrete as we went along. This was a lot of work, and took the two of us a total of seven days work, often working in the fall rains and mixing all the concrete in our little electric mixer. Total weight of the back wall ( wet ) was about 12,000 pounds.

We set the cedar uprights after the first snowfall in freezing weather, and raced to get the top on. We managed to deck the hayloft, then covered everything in tarps for the winter.

Next spring, the building site was a sea of mud - After all, it had been newly excavated
just last fall.
So, rather than stomping around in all that mud, we decided to tear down and remove an old barn from a relatives property to make use of the materials.
We worked six weekends in a row to do this, often in the rain and once during a nice, wet, driving spring snow storm. Ever dismantle a metal roof in the rain? It ain't fun.

When summer rolled around, we started work on the trusses for the barn. We laid them out on the hayloft floor because it's the biggest flat spot on the homestead!
oddly, we never seem to get much done in the nice weather. It's to hot to work!

By the end of the summer 25 trusses were all piles up. They are on 12" centers because of the heavy snow load they need to support, because they are only 2x4 trusses, and because I was being conservative.

we had a barn raising party, and with the help of a few friends raised all the trusses in one day.
When the fall hit, we went into overdrive again to get the roof on before snow flew again.

Sheathing the roof was a challenge because I am certainly no carpenter, and there wasn't a single straight or true line in the whole structure.
So, I snapped a chalk line from one side of the building to another, and used that as a reference to set the roof on, shimming where absolutely necessary.
The roof overhangs the sides by a full foot, and this greatly simplified the building. The top and bottom are separate structures, and don't need to line up with each other.

The bottom gable of the roof is quite steep. To work on it I had to hang from an improvised rappelling harness while my wife worked on the lower end of the metal sheets from a ladder.

Once the roof was on we hastily stacked five ton of alfalfa in the loft.
We got the animals out of the pasture on Thanksgiving night, having worked all day to complete the goat stall.
Good thing, we already had a foot of snow on the ground.

Then we put the metal siding on the lower part of the exterior, and built a door.
The door will ride on a slider, which must be bolted clear through the side of the building to support it's great weight.
Seems we stacked a few tons of hay in the way, so I can't get at the bolts - *
Out smarted myself, I did.

We've decided that we don't need a door this winter after all!
It feels good to take the rest of the winter off! *

From the side it looks much smaller than it really is!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010040.jpg


The front -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010027.jpg

Showing the overhang -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010020.jpg
*

The back door is actually almost two feet off the ground - lottsa snow.
The door was salvaged from a bar that was torn down near where I work. http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1040083.jpg

Inside the hay loft - It easily holds way more hay then I'll ever need.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010051.jpg

The goat stall -

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1040031.jpg

Backwoods_Bob
01-15-2007, 10:37 AM
Where the horse stalls will be. That's the front door behind me. -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1040033.jpg


Milking area - http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1040032.jpg


and the little window -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010025.jpg

So what do y'all think?
- Bob

ChoochCharlie
01-15-2007, 12:07 PM
Very cool. Like it a lot. The feel of a structure is as important as the function. Looks like a comfortable place.

You packin' heat?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/P1040031.jpg

Backwoods_Bob
01-15-2007, 12:34 PM
Thanks ChoochCharlie!

I'm certainly comfortable with it, and the animals are better off out of the weather.

It was 4 degrees last weekend!
We do take the goats out for a walk just about every day, so they do get fresh air and a chance to run around a bit.

The horse stalls will be 10x12', and some folk tell me that's just to small, but again, it's only for the winter.

Heh, yeah I'm packin' heat!
That's my Trusty Rusty Ruger!
It's a Ruger bisley .44 which I always wear around the homestead in a "coyboy" rig.
My wife calls it "male jewlery", I call it being carefull!

desdawg
01-19-2007, 04:42 AM
Looks like a good well thought out plan. I use as much recycled material as I can also. Waste not, want not. But it usually takes more time. If I had all of that dandruff on the ground I would want to take the winter off too. Where are you located Bob? I'm AZ spoiled when it comes to snow. I grew up in northern Montana and spent 14 years in Colorado. Now I keep two places, one in the mountains for summer and one for winter in the desert. Like I said, spoiled but I paid my dues.

grandmajoy
01-19-2007, 01:17 PM
Great pics Bob,I like the way you banked the barn I may try that. Now that our frame is up we will be stacking bales soon for our house. wish us luck!

StatHaldol
01-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Great job and great pics, Bob!

Backwoods_Bob
01-22-2007, 10:48 AM
Thanks everyone!
Desdawg, I'm in northern washington.

Grandmajoy, are you building a straw house?

Our cottage is load bearing, no framework.
I do think starw bale is the best way to go!
Our place doesn't look like much from the outside -
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/P2230071-1.jpg


but it's nice on the inside -
*http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/P1010146-1.jpg *

desdawg
01-27-2007, 01:09 AM
I like the exposed post and beam look. You can always doll up the outside later when the necessities have been met. Nice looking work!

greenacres
01-27-2007, 02:26 AM
Where did you get that really cool looking window in the milking area?

mistyriver
02-02-2007, 05:51 AM
Very cute place Bob! The stall size should be just fine for horses. The recommended size is 10X10 for ponies and 12X12 for horses but I also have 10X12 and they are just fine.
I love the airy feeling of your barn. Now that I've seen your picture, maybe if I run into you in All Seasons, I'll recognize you!

clawhammerdan
02-05-2007, 02:14 PM
I am very impressed! Looks great! Thanks for sharing.

Backwoods_Bob
11-25-2008, 02:56 PM
Thought I'd update this old post -

Our homemade 2x4 trusses have held up well despite sizable snow loads -

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/P1010333.jpg

The horse stalls are finished -

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010079.jpg

And just to prove the snow does melt sometimes...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/etdbob/the%20barn/P1010148.jpg

Funkhouser
11-26-2008, 09:04 AM
Great photos, Bob. *I'm inspired by what you've done there. *It's really holding up to the harsh winter climate. Being in NC, our winters are quite mild compared to yours, but such sturdy construction would also serve a person well against flood, tornado, etc. *Well done sir! * 8)