Need help with a tiller

[Oldman]

I took small engine repairs in high school two years and worked as one for a little better than a year and have always worked on my own things plus other peoples.
I let a nearly brand new, (3 years old but very low time on it) run out of gas. I put fresh gas in it, but now it won't run. I can use starter fluid in the carb and it fires up for a couple of seconds. I can squirt a bit of gas and it will do the same.
I bought a diaphragm, took it apart and all looked clean and the diaphragm looked a little stretched but not really bad, but I went ahead and changed it anyway.
Same danged thing. I can keep it running as long as I squirt a little gas in every few seconds.
I took the jet,,,, Not the jet, what do you call that thing? The needle and blew throught it. I blew through the gas tube. Nothing is stopped up that I can tell.
Just in case someone has an idea, the model # is 135202.
Type # is 0132 01
Code # is 92102927
5 H.P. B&S Horizonal shaft engine.
I am going to go down and take it apart again, but first I am going to open the needle a 1/4 turn at a time and try that.
This will be the third time of taking it apart and the first time in my life of having to take one apart 3 times to get it running. I never had to do that in high school.
I sure would appriciate it if someone has an idea that may have overlooked as an Oldman, something that might get it to running again. I am about lost on it. It just won't get any gas.
HEEEELP :-[
Oldman

[Anon001]

Oldman,
I had that same problem and took it today to have it fixed. When I get it back and find out what was wrong I will let you know, if you haven't fixed it by then. I'm hoping to have it bac, tomorrow (Friday).

Paul

[Oldman]

Thanks Paul. I might just work on the saw mill tonight because it's done about got on my last nerve already.
I hate to take some thing apart and think it's fixed and not be and especially the third time.
I think I will just wait and see what you say.
Thanks again.
Oldman

[DM]

I took small engine repairs in high school two years and worked as one for a little better than a year and have always worked on my own things plus other peoples.
I let a nearly brand new, (3 years old but very low time on it) run out of gas. I put fresh gas in it, but now it won't run. I can use starter fluid in the carb and it fires up for a couple of seconds. I can squirt a bit of gas and it will do the same.
I bought a diaphragm, took it apart and all looked clean and the diaphragm looked a little stretched but not really bad, but I went ahead and changed it anyway.
Same danged thing. I can keep it running as long as I squirt a little gas in every few seconds.
I took the jet,,,, *Not the jet, what do you call that thing? The needle and blew throught it. I blew through the gas tube. Nothing is stopped up that I can tell.
Just in case someone has an idea, the model # is 135202.
Type # is 0132 *01
Code # is 92102927
5 H.P. B&S Horizonal shaft engine.
I am going to go down and take it apart again, but first I am going to open the needle a 1/4 turn at a time and try that.
This will be the third time of taking it apart and the first time in my life of having to take one apart 3 times to get it running. I never had to do that in high school.
I sure would appriciate it if someone has an idea that may have overlooked as an Oldman, something that might get it to running again. I am about lost on it. It just won't get any gas.
HEEEELP :-[ *Oldman

It could be several things, and most likely you will need to soak the carb in carb cleaner (at least overnight) and then clean/blow out the jets and passages...

I just had a similar problem with a 20hp Kohler twin that i have, just a few days ago... It took some tracking, but i found the inlet "needle" under the float was sticking closed!

DM

[edward_4576]

I read a book once where an engine failure was caused by lack of fuel, even though the fuel line was clean and all, ended up being caused by the fuel tank cap. It was clogged and wouldn't allow the fuel to run to the carb. Just a thought.

[Oldman]

Thanks for the input ya'll.
OK, DM, it does't have a float. It's just the simple diaphram type carb. A small 5 HP B&S engine. But maybe soaking it in some carb cleaner would do it. I'll get some tomorrow. Thanks for that thought. Very well may work.
It is something stopping up something that I can't find or get to, so that is probably the best idea yet. It's a real pain in the butt. I just finished putting it back together again and still no dice. >:(
At least it teed me off so bad last night I got the chainsaw bar mounted on the sawmill last night before I knocked off. :)

edward, thanks for the answer but just so you will know in the future, the gas cap will stop an engine from running, but it won't stop it from starting if the sets for a while and allowed air to seep.
Useing the gas from the tank while it's running creates a vaccumn if there isn't air to replace the used gas and the engine starves for fuel and finally just putters out of power. But as soon as you open the cap, the engine should crank up OK and run.
I ran mine out of gas and it sucked something into somewhere that I can't find. >:( >:( >:( >:(
That's 4 angry faces for the four times I have took it apart and put it together and it still doesn't run.
If I ever get it started again, I will be happy. ;)
Where are you at paul? Tell me about yours. That might help me out.
Oldman

[Anon001]

Oldman, I didn't get mine back today. I know that mine is getting fuel to the carb but from there, I don't know. I did have a new carb put on it last year and I made sure that I ran all the gas out of it before storing it for the winter, which is what I was advised to do. If I have time, I will check on it tomorrow and see if it is near ready.

[Oldman]

Paul, a lot of people says to run a tank dry before storing but as far as I am concerned, that is the worst thing you can do. If they have any type of diafram, or parts like that the parts dry out. Heck, just running my out of gas one time and putting gas back in it in less than 5 minutes caused it to not run.
If you leave gas in it, 99 times out of 100 it will run ruff at the worst the next spring until you fill it up again.
To store a mower, tiller etc., I like to do so with about 1/4 tank of fuel. Then before starting the next time top her off with fresh fuel and I have never had a problem.
This happened to a tiller that was running great and ran out of gas. I put new gas in it and it just won't start back again unless I put gas or spray starter fluid in the carb.
I would never run one completly out of fuel before storeing it for the winter.
As for mine, I just can't figure out where it is stopped up yet. Can't be but so many places on that little sucker.
I hope yours comes back running good and don't cost you and arm and leg.
I am going down to make one more trip on it. What really gets me is I know the guys at the mower shop aren't any better than I am at fixing them. They just have better tools to take them apart and put them back together, and I don't have an air compressor. OUCH.
Oldman

[Anon001]

Oldman,
I did leave gas in it one time and come Spring the carb was go "gunked up" that it couldn't be cleaned and had to be replaced. Not too cheap. So, I don't leave gas in it. The carb on my tiller is not a diaphragm.

The place I take my stuff to is our locally owned farm and home store. The guy there that works on their small engines is good. He is young, but was raised on a farm and then they sent him to school for small engine repar. They also don't charge a lot for the work.

I'll let you know when I hear something.
Paul

[WRTN]

I treat the gas double strength with Stabil. I stored my rotor tiller (Ardisam Model 5020 with Briggs 5 hp. engine) in our open barn for a little over 5 year with Stabil treated gas in the tank. When I went to get it out and use it, about 1/3 of the gas had evaporated so I just topped the tank off with fresh gas and cleaned the tiller up. It started on the 2nd pull of the starter.

Your carb as you have already mention has apparent ingested something that is blocking the fuel going into to the carb. Is their any carb or screen between the gas tank and carb? (perhaps a suction screen of some sort in the bottom of the tank) I am sure you have already checked but take another look.....you may find a glob of gue or something blocking the fuel line. Blowing out the fuel lines and carb with compressed air taking care in the sensitive areas would be my next step.

Good luck on the fix. Let us know what you find.

[Oldman]

Well, I just put the carb back on for the last time for this carb. If I take it off again I am going to beat it to death with the 4# beater.
I took it up to the tire store and blew it out good, put another new diaphrame in it, and it still won't run unless I keep pouring gas in the carb.
I worked on these things for a living for over a year and never had one to beat me, but this one has got me beat.
My father bought me a go kart when I was 9 years old. He got me some gas on his way home from work because I was out, and I had the whole engine torn apart when he got home.
All laid out on cardboard from boxes and he went off. He wouldn't ever buy me anything else if I was going to tear it apart like that.
I just took it apart, I guess to see how it worked.
My mother laughed about this for years, because about an hour later I was riding it after I put it back together and daddy asked her what that noise was.
"It is your son riding the go kart."
They are a very simple engine to work on. But this one has me beat all to heck.
Now I am bebating on wheather to just go ahead and order another carb, or take it to the shop. I wanted to order it online because they are usually cheaper than what they charge around here but can't find one. Haven't yet, anyway.
Anyone have any idea where the best place to order one from might be.
Thanks again for the help.
Oldman

[Anon001]

Oldman,
I told you I would let you know what happens with my tiller. It had a hairline crack inside that was causing the fuel to go somewhere other than where it was suppose to go or something... *I just got off the phone. After putting a new $60.00 carb on it, it ran fine. *I will pick it up tomorrow.
Paul

[Oldman]

Thanks Paul, but more so to DM. After more than 40 years working on them, I always thought soaking a carb was BS, but I went ahead and bought a can of spray cleaner for $2.89 and spayed it several times and let it soak over night.
Put it back together, almost, and it fired right up. I won't get into it, but I ended up starting it with two of the screws still out that holds the carb and tank together, and hadn't mounted the muffler. I got side tracted and was thinking I had finished the assembly.
As soon as she fired up I had gas running out the top of the tank and blue flames come out the exchaust port and couldn't get the dang thing to turn off.
All I could see was it blowing up and burning the house down. Finally I pulled the plug wire. I'll never start another engine in the basement. That scared, what did I say grandma used to say? Oh yea, that scared my pants into the wash tub.
Thanks DM, cause I wouldn't have tried that. I still don't understand it. I could blow through every hole I could find. But it worked, so thanks for the tip.
Oldman.

[Oldman]

Wouldn't you know, I finally got it running, two rows tilled and before I could plant the the bottom dropped out. I just talked to a friend and he said he has a inch and a half of water in the rain gauge.
Atleast it will soften the dirt in the field so I can till it and mix the compost in easier.
But I sure would like to be out there planting some of these plants I have started. Can't win for loosing some times.
Oldman

[reedb66]

if it has that little push button to prime the carb you can have lots of trouble as they get tiny holes in them ( they wont leak gas just suck air )and it will run just like you said and it is hard to figure out.By soaking the carb it will swell it just enough to work for a while,maybe several days.I have had this happen to me several times on briggs products and like you I do work on small engines for people and usually figure out things fast(except typing)unfortunatly the only cure I have found is replacing the carb.Just my 2 cents :)

[Oldman]

Im not sure if I told this one on this forum or not. If so, I'll do it again anyway.
I went by Southern States yesterday and could help but to stop and see what they had. I bought a bunch of plants, came home, started tilling, and the tiller stopped running again.
After some searching, I found the needle vavle gone. I never could find it. No one here has one so I had to order it and it will be Thursday before it gets here. It will be a miracle if I ever get a garden planted on time. It just doesn't work for me. I am glad I am not the type to just give up. I sure want to sometimes. Just can't do it. But one day. :-[
Oldman

[reedb66]

Dont feel bad oldman ,I havent even tilled my garden yet!!!

[Anon001]

Oldman, I just today finally disked my garden. Now I will just run the tiller to pulverize it and knock out the clods. It's still not too late for gardens.