New Broke Back Mountain Question. [Archive]

dinabug38

06-30-2006, 12:35 AM

well,

I have to admit that I saw this movie... I wanted to have an opinion and had to see it for myself before I could have anything to say....

so,

I can say it really disgusted me.... I consider myself fairly open minded... even though my christian beliefs conflict with this lifestyle I still try and love people because what they do is none of my business..since the last time I checked, I was not elected God...

but,

to flaunt this behavior in such a blatant way, just disturbed me... I did not like these characters nor did I find sympathy for them... and for a week, every cowboy I saw on the street turned my stomach.... so, if the purpuse of the movie was to further gay rights it backfired as far as I am concerned.....

this is an issue that is close to my heart as one of my dearest childhood friends is gay.... as teens and young adults we were very close and he is even the godfather of my oldest son.... this of course all came about before I and possibly even he knew he was gay....

as my son is the closest thing he will ever have to a child, he has been very good to him.... he has always offered him financial support and encouragement in all of his efforts... he has left him half of his estate in his will and is always there if he is needed... we do not live in the same state anymore and I am very glad of that... I fear that his lifestyle would become an issue if we lived closer... but he doesnt so it is not an infuential issue in our lives.... we pray for him and agree to disagree...

I guess I said that so show that if that movie turned MY stomach than I cant imagine it doing any less for anyone else...

and yes it probably would be better recieved by the general public if it were woman... however, not by me....

dina

and wasnt zena warrior princess suppose to be gay?
surpised to hear that about catwoman...

Rogue33

07-03-2006, 09:49 AM

Disgusting!

You guys get off on that lesbian stuff (whatever jangles your jingle)...............it is interesting for me as a woman to not be turned on by two gay men.

You guys sure are funny creatures sometimes. *;)

I agree with ya...I would never go to the movies and watch that about two women......I would just wait for the DVD and buy it..... ;D

nancy1340

07-04-2006, 11:10 AM

Rogue, you are such a bad boy. Tisk tisk. ;D

Johnny_Lee

07-07-2006, 06:24 PM

Disgusting!

You guys get off on that lesbian stuff (whatever jangles your jingle)...............it is interesting for me as a woman to not be turned on by two gay men.

You guys sure are funny creatures sometimes. *;)

We are funny creatures indeed! I guess men just find two women not as repulsive as two men; women being naturally soft and pretty and sexy...whats not to like about two beautiful women! ;D (I know, nice double standard we guys have, right?). I can understand how you feel about two men...I have never understood how one man could stare into another mans fuzzy butt and find love. :o

Horizon

07-08-2006, 07:10 AM

to flaunt this behavior in such a blatant way, *just disturbed me... I did not like these characters nor did I find sympathy for them... and for a week, every cowboy I saw on the street turned my stomach.... so, if the purpuse of the movie was to further gay rights it backfired as far as I am concerned.....

How in the WORLD did they "flaunt" this lifestyle in front of you??

You knew what the movie was about in advance, yet you drove to the theater, bought the ticket, got your popcorn, sat in the seat and watched the movie anyway, and then you're going to say that they flaunted it in front of you?

I'm curious, what gun did the homosexuals use to force you to do these things?

~Jeff

JAK

07-20-2006, 08:03 AM

Technically, was it a movie about two cowboys or two shepherds?

NYCBOY

08-29-2006, 04:55 PM

Becareful of the " buttered popcorn "

dinabug38

08-29-2006, 06:52 PM

you are right horizon ... I stand corrected in my phrasing....

I meant the graphic nature in which they presented the love scenes in the movie....

I didnt need to see it to know it was going on.... I just meant that it was shockingly GRAPHIC... of course I knew exactly what the movie was about...

as I said, I dont agree with it but I am not highly offended by the IDEA of it either... it was just the seeing of it that was so unnerving..

forgive,
dina

SubVetChief

08-29-2006, 07:10 PM

I have never understood how one man could stare into another mans fuzzy butt and find love.

ROTFLMAO! What a kicker that was.....LOL!

When it comes to movies like this I think of the old line: "A fool and his money are soon parted."

mohican44

08-30-2006, 05:56 AM

just saw the movie poster today!!!

http://12.111.217.195/bb2.jpg

Rogue33

08-30-2006, 06:15 AM

Mohican,

Now i am there for the second one!!!!!!!!! *;D ;D ;D

It is time for me to be open minded *;)

scoutinlife

08-30-2006, 04:52 PM

Mohican44 Can you get premier night tickets lol!

NYCBOY

09-02-2006, 02:20 AM

Nice.......time to break out the big screen and surround sound !!! And set it up close to the mens room !!!! lol............i wont go blind right ???? LMAO

gypho

09-02-2006, 03:57 PM

Okay boys....... ya'll go to the movies.....

While you're there, "us girls" can find men who'd rather be with women than fantasies.... it's a win-win situation.

;) ;) ;)
gypho

Arkansas_Fat_Man

09-03-2006, 01:26 PM

>:( John Wayne & Audie Murphy have turned over in their graves! ;)

rickpaul

09-16-2006, 02:30 AM

you guys n gals can make fun of this all ya want, but, i got no use fur queers, its choice, they weren`t born that way.....rick

nancy1340

09-16-2006, 04:05 AM

you guys n gals can make fun of this all ya want, but, i got no use fur queers, its choice, they weren`t born that way.....rick

Is this view from personal experence ? ::)

rickpaul

09-16-2006, 07:59 PM

why ?

nancy1340

09-17-2006, 05:57 AM

its choice, they weren`t born that way.....rick

How do you know "they" weren't born "that way " ?

When my nephew was three I told my husband that James was going to grow up to be gay . He did . Do you really think a three year old has made a choice to be gay when he turnes 21 ?

mangyhyena

10-18-2006, 01:27 PM

Well, if someone is not hurting me or mine then I've got nothing against him or her. If God has an issue with them then I assume He does not need me to harass or punish them. He'll deal with them in time, much in the same way he'll deal with me for my sins, eventually.

I've known a few gay people, both males and females. In my opinion some are born with a predisposition to it, or hardwired that way from the start. Others seem to have been molested during childhood, or rewired that way. For still others it seems to have been a choice. But unless you're gay, there's no way to know for sure. And if you are then no one will believe you anyway. :o

As for Brokeback Mountain, I found much of it disgusting due to the graphic way it was filmed. Since I'm a heterosexual I find that sort of sex gross. Maybe homosexuals feel the same about sex scenes between men and women. Who knows? And for the record, lesbian scenes don't do much for me either.

All in all, it wasn't my cup of tea. Even if they had made the lead characters a male and a female it wouldn't have been my cup of tea. I mean, the only guns going bang were when they shot an elk. No laser guns, no death-defying escapes, no werewolves or vampires---What the heck kind of movie is that? ;D

gypho

10-18-2006, 02:12 PM

All in all, it wasn't my cup of tea. Even if they had made the lead characters a male and a female it wouldn't have been my cup of tea. I mean, the only guns going bang were when they shot an elk. No laser guns, no death-defying escapes, no werewolves or vampires---What the heck kind of movie is that? ;D
YAY!!! Another Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, X-Men, Spider Man, and Van Helsing fan on board!!! Yippee!!!

gypho

P.S. I'm sure I left out something...... perhaps Tom Selleck in a good western? Oh yeah.

mangyhyena

10-20-2006, 11:32 AM

Yep, I've seen every one of those movies more than once. Nailed me down quite nicely there. But don't forget Underworld 1 & 2, The Matrix, The Fifth Element, and my all time favorite TV series Forever Knight. ;D And for the record I've enjoyed Tom Selleck's work in the westerns he's done and felt bad for him when Bad-Ole-Rosey attacked him without provocation.

Good to find like-minded folks who are even more like-minded than I imagined. lol.

fud24682000

10-28-2006, 06:23 AM

For me it's a lot easier to understand two women getting together than two men. So many women get mistreated by men it's a wonder more women aren't lesbians.
Ray Mac.

Av8rTx

03-13-2008, 12:41 PM

Why is heterosexual adultery and promiscuity more acceptable in various media than homosexual monogamy? It makes no sense

Runaway_Slave

03-31-2008, 05:49 AM

Mangy said what I felt about the depictions of sex in this movie. I found it uncomfortable and it's one of those movies I won't see again. That said, I always take some time to ponder what the writer and the performance is saying. I think this one comfirmed my heterosexuality because I can't understand how a man can have these feelings for another man. However, love is love and the story was, for me, about a tragic set of circumstances between 2 people whos love simply didn't fit their life and time. At the end, I was moved and touched by Heath Ledger's portrayal of the empty, aching, lonliness of his hopeless situation.
The screenplay was written by Larry McMurtry, who also wrote "Lonesome Dove". The character, Woodrow Call, also had emotional dysfunction. He was powerfully loyal to Augustus, yet incapable of acknowledging his parenthood.
So, Brokeback is a very human story. One that creeped out of that place that most of us prefer not to give thought of, and now, brought to mind by this movie, want to go back to those places that we avoid.

idealist

04-01-2008, 12:41 PM

Aside from the sexual side of the movie I found it very interesting. 2 people venture out in the wild with a mass amount of sheep and are required to use primitive techniques to survive while doing their job. It led me to look into sheep herding, I found it incredibly fascinating how many sheep could be controlled by just a few dogs and 2 people on horseback. Also they cured game meat, which I found educational since I've never seen a set-up like that before.

aerontg

05-12-2008, 05:14 PM

you guys n gals can make fun of this all ya want, but, i got no use fur queers, its choice, they weren`t born that way.....rick

I'm positive your post was intended to piss someone off, and well..by golly...you did. You see, I am NOT gay but I AM bisexual. It is not a "choice" at all. Sure I can make the decision as to whether I want to pull my pants down for someone (I'm a guy), man or woman. I do NOT have the choice as to what I am attracted to. No one does. Are you telling me that straight people make the decision to be attracted to the opposite sex? And, to add piss to the fire you started (I can't wait to read your next ignorant post on this subject) I am also VERY MUCH transgendered. Fire away, wise one!

Aeron

Ann61

07-07-2008, 12:16 PM

you guys n gals can make fun of this all ya want, but, i got no use fur queers, its choice, they weren`t born that way.....rick

How do you know this? Did you hit the age of fifteen and find yourself torn between hot man-on-man love and man/woman love? Struggling, you "decided" to be straight? I doubt it. I'm a lesbian and I want to remind you that not everybody on this site is straight. Incidentally, I don't know anybody for whom sexual orientation was a "choice".

walls0stone

07-07-2008, 01:53 PM

Like my father used to say,
I don't care if a M or a W likes to snuggle with Chickens...
I don't think anyone elts needs to know about it.
(and he didnt say snuggle)
we don't need Pride day, rainbow flags, any more than we need straight day.

WileyCoyote

07-07-2008, 02:24 PM

Well, I don't have much use for gays or bisexuals either. But I think that is simply because I don't, um, er, what's the word - oh, yeah, CARE what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes. Hetero, homo, bi, trans - don't make a hill of beans to me. Just keep yer hands off my knees and we'll be fine. I don't want to know about it or hear about it; any more than my adult children want to think about their Mom and Dad still goin' at it. :P :P :P I don't have "gay-dar", I'll never know whether you sleep with a man, a woman, a goat, or a group, if you don't tell me. But why are some of you so DRIVEN to tell - me, and everyone who comes within two feet of you?

I don't watch chick flicks or read Harlequin romances, so I sure won't go see Brokeback Mountain. I only like comedies, and fantasies; if I want to THINK I'll read a book, TYVM. If I want to feel I can feel for real people in real situations - those whom I know and can do something about. I don't care what those two guys did or didn't do, and I don't see the purpose in telling a story about it. (I didn't watch "Lonesome Dove" either.) None of my business. Got a life. Don't need someone else's PRETEND angst and agony wasting two hours of my life. TV and movies are PRETEND, folks...

As for most of the gay people I've met/known/been related to, dang few of them can keep their mouths shut about it. Do ya'll want to hear about my and hubby's 26 years of nightly sexual play, in vivid detail? No? Why Not? Then why do I have to hear about, or see, theirs in vivid live detail, endlessly? Do hubby and I shove our hands in each others' pants at every opportunity, or stick our tongues down each others' throats in public? No. Guess why. Cause what we have and what we do isn't anyone else's business. If some of the gay folks I know would show some decorum... but some of them don't and won't; they want to shove it down peoples' throats as hard and as invasive as tongues. That's why I avoid those types and dislike them - NOT because of WHOM they are doin it with, but because of WHAT they are doin in front of everyone. No. Class.

Folks like that DEMAND acceptance for classless behavior and use the excuse "I'm (gay, young, old, black, white, Chinese, Hispanic), so you have to tolerate it!" No I don't - and I won't. And it isn't because you are gay! If you are gay and don't do that, we'll get along fine, as long as the topic isn't solely about your gayness (or my sex life, for that matter). And no, I don't think it is a conscious choice, any more than skin or eye color or ancestry. But behaving selfishly, immoderately, rudely, or obnoxiously, or excusing one's behavior because of a geneological trait, IS a choice.

I. Don't. CARE. Who's. Gay. I want to talk to adults about adult topics, like SHTF, Conspiracy Theories, gardening, canning, preserving, peak oil, politics, and animal husbandry. Sex, other than the breeding of vegies and animals is, after all, just sex. :o ;D

Ann61

07-07-2008, 03:50 PM

Typically, I don't care who's gay or straight, either. But when someone who doesn't have a freaking clue comes on board and declares that being gay is a "choice", well yeah...I'm going to say something. When has any gay or bi person "thrown" their sexual activities in anybody's face here? Apparently, declaring one is gay is doing so to some folks here. Just as a clue to some of you- Brokeback mountain is a gay male love story. Many of you payed to see it, knowing this. Is it any shock that perhaps it wasn't your cup of tea?

flatwater

07-07-2008, 07:24 PM

I find it interesting that a lot of gay/lesbians seem to have an anger problem with hetorosexuals that can't except them as they are. That anger really is misdirected. Be mad at the ones that flaunt themselves and or git in every ones face about being that way. In the wild most animals stay away from the hawks. Now with that said , I will say this , I have met some very nice gay people and I'm still trying to meet some nice lesbians. :o ::) ;D.
Flatwater

WileyCoyote

07-07-2008, 09:11 PM

Exactly.

You cannot help anyone else's ignorance, and getting angry about it simply doesn't help. It won't fix it or change it... like the woman in one forum who had a fit because "the stuff on TV made my son turn gay!" - You can't fix stupid, why bother trying? Or raise your blood pressure, get defensive, over it?

Most people really don't care who anyone else is sleeping with. But making it a cause de celebre, or using it as an excuse to behave with equal or even greater defensiveness, stupidity, gracelessness, or childishness, only draws attention to that lack of decorum, not the problem of initial ignorance. Then we all spiral downward instead of aspiring to greater things...

It's like arguing with a troll - it gets you nowhere, and only encourages and flatters the troll, making him feel more important than he is. I have a good friend who uses as his tagline - "Never argue with an idiot - he'll bring you down to his level and beat you with experience." Why bother with them... yawn...

aerontg

07-20-2008, 10:05 AM

Well, I can understand the frustration of some with those that flaunt their stuff, so to speak. I've never been a fan of flaming queers and lesbians with exaggerated masculine mannerisms. If you're queer, you're queer. The problem I have is that *most* of us simply can not be ourselves in everyday life, without ridicule. And it has NOTHING to do with society being negatively affected by the flamers in minority. It has EVERYTHING to do with the 'straight' society just not like anyone that isn't straight.

flatwater

07-21-2008, 07:43 PM

I really don't think that we don't like un-straight people , It has more to do with I just don't want you around my kids. I say that because I will protect my kids at all costs so they have a chance to grow up normal until they can make their own discisions. Is there a check list that one can tell the "nice" alternitive lifestylers from the pervert type? It's just to bad out there to take any chances. You say your a TS. What the hell is a TS.
Flatwater

Funkhouser

07-25-2008, 07:08 AM

TS = transsexual (born one gender, but in the process of changing over to the other)

Aerontg, I noticed you're from Kentucky. *That may explain your dilemma, as KY is probably one of the more socially conservative places in this country. *Most people in KY are Christian, and the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a grave sin. *The Bible also teaches us not to judge, and to love our enemies. *The people you are running into apparently are not true Christians, else they need to pick up their Bibles and do some reading.

I believe your lifestyle is a sinful one, but also that God will take that up with you in His own good time, as He will take up my sins with me in His own good time. *It is certain not my place (nor anyone elses) to judge you or persecute you in any way.

Drawbar

07-26-2008, 04:51 PM

I always thought I was pretty open-minded. The ex-wife liked other woman and while it was fun while it lasted, it did have to end I guess.

At Lie Nielsen we had a guy there that came out with some big news. We all thought he was going to say he was gay (which is just fine by me), but he shocked us when he said he was going to be a woman.

Now its one thing to talk about it, and I was pretty good about it as far as supporting him and all that, but it was another to actually see him come in one Friday all dolled up in heels and a dress. That was just too much for me. I left soon after that.

Now there is another side to this that no one has talked about yet, and that is from the parents perspective. I always wanted a little girl and my new wife always wanted a little boy, and with this baby being the first Grandchild and great grandchild on EACH side of the family, this was a big event. I can remember the day seeing the ultrasound and finding out we were going to be parents to a little baby girl. We were so happy...so excited.

I think I would be devastated if Alyson came up to me in 20 years and said "Daddy I want to be a boy now." I guess it's her choice, but she will ALWAYS be my little baby girl, no matter how old she gets to be. I can't imagine that being taken away from me.

http://www.railroadmachinist.com/images/Aly_and_Dad-Park_Bench.JPG

Ann61

07-28-2008, 05:01 PM

You know, I would never have disclosed my lesbian status if somebody hadn't posted a freaking rude comment about disliking a gay sex scene and describing us all as "queers". For some of us middle aged people, that word is an insult. Also, one of you seems to have confused gays with pedophiles. Gays are attracted to adults of the same gender. All of my brothers and sisters trust me completely with their children. I grew up in the same god-fearing, straight household that they did.

So many of you consider yourselves to be libertarians, but I think not. Libertarians believe that each person is the owner of his or her own life, and to be lived accordingly. You're not supposed to care what anybody does in the privacy of their own homes. When you come out to insult gay, bi and trans people, some of us are going to raise a fuss.

flatwater

07-28-2008, 06:47 PM

If one of your brothers came up to you and said " I want a sex change to be a woman. Wouldn't that concern you just a little. If my brother did that to me it would freak me out. When we hug it's a man hug and no kissing allowed. If I hugged him after the change , I would be afraid of smashing a boob or something. Sorry Ann61 But I'm just not understanding any of it. It doesn't mean I hate gays I'm just and old dinasour that likes things like Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Flatwater

RangerRick

07-28-2008, 08:21 PM

Seems to me on an individual basis indivuals are usually nice folks regardless of "how their stick floats" and I can for the most part take em or leave em based on personality, attitude and political make-up. *When sodomites feel they must get "in my face" with their depravity they cross the line of good taste and social norms and I am quick to lose all respect for them on a personal level regardless of their personality, attitude or political make-up. *Personally, I don't care if you're lappin your lady till the kitty purssssss or polkin your pal till the moon waines home. *I don't want to know about it, I don't want to see it or hear about it and I damn sure don't want you or some "chickenhawk" passing off this sickness as a normal lifestyle or hitting on young innocent children under the age of 18 under any circumstances. *To do such IMHO is to be deserving of the most extreme corrective action I could imagine. *Unfortunately, when several sodomites get together publicly there seems to be the need for acting out in the most outragous manner. *The vast majority of petifiles that molest children that we routinely here of is man on boy - to my way of thinking that is a homosexual/sodomite experience and some sick twisted pile of dog dung should die every time it happens because they are making a choice.

Ranger Rick

whiskeycellar

07-28-2008, 09:25 PM

sorry ann,
but the world we live in now everyones sexuality is shoved down our throat. if we don't accept it then we have a phobia. i've known many gay people that just lived with the rest of us without creating a scene slobering all over each other. i've been married 33 years to the same lovely woman and never have we behaved that way in public. imho if you want to be accepted keep your personal life just that personal

but life goes on
Jesse

Coleen

11-29-2008, 08:41 AM

Why would it be "more acceptable"?

1) Only some (usually jaded) men get off on two women kissing

2) Two women kissing gives me the same reaction as two men kissing....

It is foreign to my way of thinking. Heterosexuality is still (Thank God) the "norm". Maybe this wave of acceptance of homosexuality in America, will turn back the other direction when our little children are so confused they don't know that a real family is supposed to consist of a father and mother...gosh, golly, gee whiz...maybe it will be too late by then and we'll see fire and brimstone raining down on our cities like "Sodom and Gomorrah"...or maybe even get what we deserve as far as presidential candidates...Ring any bells???

flatwater

11-29-2008, 06:12 PM

It sure rang my bell.
flatwater

centex

12-24-2008, 05:52 AM

Although the movie was seen as a gay themed movie most people missed the point about the hate that still exits today as well as in the period of the movie. And the brutality that is placed on anyone because of any difference they may have. I would like to think we as humans are above all that bigotary. Besides isnt that way the wars have raged on for centurys in the middle east. Its time we get over what other people are doing when it doesnt involve another

12-24-2008, 07:51 AM

Well, when i came on board, i didn't announce if i was straight or queer... But i did notice that when some of the carpet munchers came on board, they announced several times that they have wives...

I really think that was more info than i needed to know... Personally, i'd rather the queers keep that info to them selves...

DM

RangerRick

12-24-2008, 12:02 PM

Agreeded DM.

Now as to the semantics of this bit.

*And the brutality that is placed on anyone because of any difference they may have. *I would like to think we as humans are above all that bigotary.

Clearly some see this deviency as a difference and many many others see this difference as a twisted sickness of the heart, mind and soul. And to boot the bigot slur is thrown about because some folks have their own personal opinion regarding something and others see those opinions as intolerant because we don't wish to change our opinions to anothers that we consider obsessed with a deviently twisted sickness of the heart, mind and soul.

Kinda reminds me of many folks opinions that 95% of politicians are liers and cheats and crooks because that is for the most part what they are and do.

I see this more a point of acceptance. Sodomites want their deviency to be accepted as normal and normal folks don't accept evil for good. Consequently, sodomites have no intention to change the choice they make and honorable peoples opinion thereof will forever remain the same however, through indoctrination of school children opinions can be corrupted. It is the parantes responsibility to educate their children not the schools in the morality of right and wrong.

Rick

flatwater

12-25-2008, 08:41 PM

Ya what rick said. And besides , whats wrong with being a bigot.

zeke

03-09-2009, 12:53 PM

Its always a hoot to see the old adamic nature fighting with it self, my sins better than yours.

Zeke.

zeke

03-09-2009, 01:01 PM

Typically, I don't care who's gay or straight, either. *But when someone who doesn't have a freaking clue comes on board and declares that being gay is a "choice", well yeah...I'm going to say something. *When has any gay or bi person "thrown" their sexual activities in anybody's face here? *Apparently, declaring one is gay is doing so to some folks here. *Just as a clue to some of you- Brokeback mountain is a gay male love story. *Many of you payed to see it, knowing this. *Is it any shock that perhaps it wasn't your cup of tea?

Right! like global warming is man made also, I guess your a robot, I just can't help myself is clearly a cop out.
Your response is classic flip wilson logic.

Zeke.

txplowgirl

03-12-2009, 04:31 PM

I went to see it because I wanted to try to understand the other side. For those of you who haven't seen it. Yes, the sex scenes were uncomfortable, but the premise of the movie were about two cowboys who fell in love with one another.
They got married to women, had children and were pretty miserable in their marriages. This took place over about a 20 year period.
Heath Ledgers character had a traumatic episode when he was a child. He and his brother was taken by their father out into the country to where a man had been killed and his body was still there. His father made it very plain that this man was killed because he was living with another man. Whether his father did it or not was never explained.
That traumatized him to where he could not openly admit he was gay to anyone even his wife. She accidently seen them kissing but she never said anything to him. But she did divorce him.
I felt so sorry for him.
Other than the sex scenes, I loved it and I cried at the end.
But I cry with all sappy stories.