Hispanic Family Values?

[RangerRick]

http://www.city-journal.org/printable.php?id=2086

Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.

The government social-services sector has already latched onto this new client base; as the Hispanic population expands, so will the demands for a larger welfare state. Since conservative open-borders advocates have yet to acknowledge the facts of Hispanic family breakdown, there is no way to know what their solution to it is. But they had better come up with one quickly, because the problem is here—and growing.

The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate—even more than unbounded levels of immigration—will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades. By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by mid-century, twice the current ratio. In states such as California and Texas, Hispanics will be in the clear majority. Nationally, whites will drop from near 70 percent of the total population in 2000 to just half by 2050. Hispanics will account for 46 percent of the nation’s added population over the next two decades, the Pew Hispanic Center reports.

[winter_unfazed]

The so-called out of wedlock Hispanic children born here are mostly just born to illegal immigrant couples whose marriages aren't recognized by the government.

[Uncle_Alvah]

I was never exposed to many/any Hispanics until I came to NC.
One of the first things that struck me is how many kids they seem to have!!!!
Married, unmarried, legal or illegal, I have no idea..........

[MYellowRose]

I don't know where you folks are but here in San Antonio many Hispanic families have strong values and ties.
Also the rate of out of wedlock births, especially to teen mothers whether Hispanic or otherwise is declining.
Many Hispanics are Catholic and they bring their children up in the church and many families live near each other. One example of them living close to each other are my next door neighbors, the family in trailer 10 have daughters in trailers 5&9 and the small cinderblock house 22, his mother lives in trailer 18. Also, his SIL lives in 14 (there's no #13).
The lady on the other side has her oldest daughter and her (the daughters) to daughters staying with her right now as well as her 18 yr old son. Her younger daughter and her kids live in 16.
The one thing I don't like or approve of is the "macho" image many of these men feel they must have and show. It's not unusual for them to feel it is their "right" to physically abuse their spouse and children. I've seen it in my trailer park and have heard, though it's second hand, of one of them sexually molesting one of his daughters when she lived at home. Although I have no proof of the allegation I tend to believe it for the simple fact that that daughter and her daughter spend very little time with her parents. I think she's doing what she can to protect her daughter from the grandfather and that's something I'm all for.
They seem to go almost from one extreme to the other here with very little "in between" behavior.
Being Anglo, as it's termed here, I'm in the minority as the Hispanics are almost 60% of the population.

[bogiedog]

I dont know about other places but around here , they all live in one house. I have a job that requires me to go into peoples homes. I dont like to go to Hispanic homes for a couple of reasons. Most of the time, they dont speak english or they dont when we show up. And I never know who is who. One family I had to visit a few months ago had so many people living there that they slept in shifts. I know of 19 adults and 14 kids all in a 3 bedroom house with 2 baths. There was pallats all over the floor and I didnt know where to step cause I didnt know if there was someone in the blankets or not. They also had live chickens loose in the home. You know there was chicken stuff all over the floor. It was a mess. It was rather cold that day and there was children outside in shorts and flip flops. When we arrived, all the children ran into the house and must have hid cause we only see 6 of the 14 after we got inside.

[AARTY]

Living in Oregon(all over the state) I have seen plenty of "hispanic" families and There is a disproportionate amount of illigitamate children. Many of the older generation(a large majority are illegal) women raised their kids alone and had no husband and all the female relatives would cluster around the new mother to help support her(a good thing) and keep encouraging the younger girls and women to have children(a bad thing). This is done for simple economics, IE the more kids they got the more WIC, welfare yada-yada they get. Just last year my wife and I moved back to Oregon to have our daughter, the company that my wife worked for only supplied insurance till the last day of her employment and neglected to give her the needed forms for COBRA. My wife tried to apply for the Oregon Health plan and was denied along with other plans that she applied at. We made to much money 3months before she applied. Anyways when we finally made less than what was needed(and were missing bills) she was still denied because the system "was full". Had we had a hispanic surname she would have been accepted. Now we are back traveling and she is working at a hospital in NM. We cannot wait to get out of here!

[Txanne]

Being born in the good ole USA means citizenship!!

Can we say anchor babies?
The babies are the gate way to food stamps---WIc and medicare benefis and keeps the families in this country---a 7lber gives carte blanche to the rest of the illegals---

millons of em.

good article Ranger---

txanne

[daphodil]

There are many positive aspects to the Latino/Hispanic culture; for one, they do tend to have more 'traditional' values. * Men are known for their 'machismo' and much pride is placed upon 'virility.' * Thus, the larger families (not unlike whites a few generations ago--when American men were manly and strong, not like the weak and ineffectual kinds we have loafing around today. . .)
Also, the ones out picking our vegetables and, in general, doing very hard physical jobs are overwhelmingly Hispanic. *They are here and they are working, but as has been said, they are a huge drain upon our social services.

[333]

Peace,

Thus, the larger families (not unlike whites a few generations ago--when American men were manly and strong, not like the weak and ineffectual kinds we have loafing around today. . .)

Ummm.....thats pretty insulting,

I mean it could be the last 20-30 years of man bashing in our objective media, or the emasculation by the femme extreme in the media, or the plethora of programing on the idiot box that portrays the normal white man as fat dumb stupid and dependent on the structure of his all wise all powerful wife.

Or perhaps its even the courts systems that empower the poor women with their inane, error on the side of prudence attitude.

No surprise though, our goobers and media love to perpetuate the poor poor me syndrome running rampant in our nation, if your "black" you were exploited/ oppressed so "oh poor you, the evil white man did it".

If your a women you've been oppressed and exploited even longer than the black man, so you get more leverage against the evil white man.

If you are of the homosexual persuasion, well thats just dandy you to can get all the attention the media can provide, cause your liberation from the big bad white man is cause for celebration.

The pendulum swings and we are all paying for the oppression of the past, today, but remember it swings back as well, I hope the evil white man is as benevolent as todays emotional exploiters.

They are here and they are working, but as has been said, they are a huge drain upon our social services.

Yes they are here and working I see them by the dozens filling out of the same apartment, when I stand next to them in the early morning waiting for the contractor to come by and give us work at a cheap rate cause were desperate.

Yea the mean white man deserve all he gets for his past transgressions.

333

[Txanne]

I can tell you woke up on the wrong side of the bed--But it is food for thought.

If white men weren't such wimps--noone could do anything to them---they just keep standing there--

BTW---I wouldnt be caught dead with a whimp of a man---he had better know how to put his pants on faster than i do---

Txanne

[RangerRick]

I lived down South in Harlingen, TX for several years - my family was the only white family on the block, daughters both spoke Spanish - children pick it up quick from friends. The fire chief lived next door and a city councilman/lawyer both personal friends lived across the street. Truly we lived in the upper scale area of town, however we were in-bedded in this community to such an extent that we became close personal friends to those in the majority, some 80% Hispanic. While I will attest that those in my peer group were of the highest quality both in character and integrity regardless of skin color. A very large percentage of those males in the lower economic spectrum were looked on with shame by their own kind because of the manner in which they lived and conducted themselves. In general, in personal and professional arenas most of those would just as soon slit my lilly white gullet as steal my lawnmower or rape your children. I found the vast majority of poor Hispanic women had one thing their significant others could never seem to understand, integrity and personal dignity. They, by and large were due respect not because of some macho BS they thought they were owed but because of the character they displayed in their everyday life.

Just my personal view as experienced first hand.

Rick

[Txanne]

I lived down South in Harlingen, TX for several years - my family was the only white family on the block, daughters both spoke Spanish - children pick it up quick from friends. *The fire chief lived next door and a city councilman/lawyer both personal friends lived across the street. *Truly we lived in the upper scale area of town, however we were in-bedded in this community to such an extent that we became close personal friends to those in the majority, some 80% Hispanic. *While I will attest that those in my peer group were of the highest quality both in character and integrity regardless of skin color. *A very large percentage of those males in the lower economic spectrum were looked on with shame by their own kind because of the manner in which they lived and conducted themselves. *In general, in personal and professional arenas most of those would just as soon slit my lilly white gullet as steal my lawnmower or rape your children. *I found the vast majority of poor Hispanic women had one thing their significant others could never seem to understand, integrity and personal dignity. *They, by and large were due respect not because of some macho BS they thought they were owed but because of the character they displayed in their everyday life.

Just my personal view as experienced first hand.

Rick

Having grown up in San Benito and Corpus Chrisiti--i can attest to RR's decricption of the upper class Hispanics---

I have seen the Mexican women[[lower class]] beaten---impreganted constantly---and No Modern conviences except a rub-board.


[[I use the word class here---cause they do [[Mexicans ]] have a class system.

Txanne

[wax]

I'm not sure how I feel about this one, but the posts here prove it is much more complicated than most assume.

First point:
Most Mexican families are 1950's Catholic in feel and desire.
However... we are not really talking about Mexican families we are talking about "alien" (illegal or otherwise).
Just as any other group who migrated to America we are seeing a fringe element in play.
Those who are the most aggressive are taking the lead.
Those that take the lead are getting in trouble.

Point two: standards.
In the mid 1800's the Irish were known to pile dozens of people into one room. We couldn't stop the "little bastards" from breeding!
Oh... and they were drunks! You wouldn't believe it today but they were completely worthless and should have been lined up and shot!
I'm kidding of course... in a way.
You see nothing really changes.
And that is a good thing... which brings me to why I am torn on this issue.

The Irish fought like Hell to be a part of this country.
They earned that right but not for close to a century.
They were knowned worthless drunks who could not be trusted!
But then so were the Germans.

My faith in public schooling was fine until one particular Monday afternoon.
My son explained that America was no longer a "melting pot" but instead a leader of the world concerning acceptance of "diversity".

Huh?

(Sigh)
Every group... and man I mean every group... has fought to become American! It is what makes us American!
It started long before our Revolution and it will continue until the day our nation ceases to exist!
We couldn't remove the mechanism if we wanted to.
We can not exist without it!

Within a very short time the men of Jamestown ceased being English. They became American.
The English came here hoping to fight a war over resources they could not really possess with French men who no longer existed... they had become American.
The Brits never really recovered from the fact!

There is one race of man.
We can all inter-breed, we are all one species.
In fact when modern man talks about "race" he is really speaking of ethnicity.
The only "color" in America is green, you either have it or you do not!
Bill Cosby isn't "black" he is "green".
Oprah is even more "green" and much much less "black".

So are we being invaded?
Mnnn... Did the Italians "invade"?
I would say yes on both counts but then we all know that the Italians were once drunken criminals who could not be trusted.
Now the Mexicans.

[wax]

So what is the difference?
Why does it seem different now?

Trends... nothing more and nothing less.
The last thirty years or so have been so good that Americans have forgotten what they are... an experiment... the underdog!

We must be a "melting pot" or we will forget what we actually are.
If you come here... well... you better be willing to change because that is what Americans do!
But then we hit the problem concerning trends.
Political correctness would like to dictate that Mexicans are not smelly useless drunken lazy bastards who do not know the meaning of love, compassion, or even simple human standards!
It would love to dictate that... but you see that would destroy America itself!
The Germans came here just as the Mexicans are trying now.
You think they had it easy?
The fact is it was very hard and it was worth it.

Why was it worth it?
Well it all comes back to that "melting pot" thing.
If anyone thinks that local schools felt pressure to teach German in the mid 19th century in order to "intergrate" new arrivals then you are a fool!
The "squareheads" had a choice... fit in or don't!
In other words "melt" or die!

You want a fight?
Approach any given blond haired blue eyed kid on the street in America today and explain that he/she doesn't have a "right" to be here!
Well you were the one that wanted to fight right?

Here's another good one:
Try calling that child's father a "German-American"... a "Hungarian-American"... a "Russian-American"!
No, no, and then... no!
You will find (quite violently) that they are Americans.

We don't print German on our official papers for a reason.
We don't want "Germans" here!
We don't explain our official procedures in Italian.
We really don't want "Italians" here!

All were drunks all were drug users all were worthless and every single one proved otherwise!
But then they were "white" right?
And thus we can assume that "white" men can handle such pressures because no one else really can...

Bullshit my friend! And I damn you for suggesting it you ethnically motivated freak!

In order to melt one needs heat.
Heat requires friction.

[ncgrl]

Here in NC.You see the Mothers walking with their children.5 or 6 in a row and the Mom either pregnant or carrying a baby.
I know they do the jobs no one else will do but we are over run.More seem to show up every day.

[nchillbilly]

Here in NC.You see the Mothers walking with their children.5 or 6 in a row and the Mom either pregnant or carrying a baby.
I know they do the jobs no one else will do but we are over run.More seem to show up every day.

Yep.

The backroads we take from the coast to Raleigh are not safe to stop along anymore. Used to be just farm fields, but in old abandonded houses & a couple of churches, little Hispanic towns are being created. And they are probably rightfully wary of most white folk.

There seems to be less of them in the more metro areas of NC, from what I have observed. I am from Black Mountain & have been on the coast for 10 years. Have traveled & still travel fairly extenxively around the state.

I'm probably more of a conspiracy theorist than others here, from what I've read. I'm convinced that this [the huge uprising in the Hispanic population here in the US] is deliberate & done by design in order to further the agenda of the NAU (North American Union). The NAU is hardly a conspiracy anymore.

But I stray off topic here....my apologies (but I'm not deleting it :) )