View Full Version : Pipe-smoking is making an unlikely comeback
Pipe smoking of tobacco is as old as mankind's knowledge of tobacco and is
still the proper way to use tobacco........
The story........
"Many ye olde things eventually become trendy again and the latest yesteryear fashion making a comeback is pipe smoking.
• No one tracks how many young people smoke pipe tobacco. But the evidence, at least in the US, is of a renaissance. According to the Cigar Association of America, 4,900,000lb of pipe tobacco were sold in 2006, from a high of 52,000,000lb almost 30 years ago. In 2008, sales climbed again to 5,300,000lb.
• This modest increase is credited by many to retro-loving students. Facebook and MySpace have thousands of members signed up to groups such as “The Ladies’ Pipe Smoking Salon”.
• The most popular Facebook group is “The Collegiate Gentlemen’s Pipe Smoking League”, with around 1,500 members globally. One 19-year-old member of the club recently told The Wall Street Journal: “They say everyone has an inner child. I guess I have an inner old man.”"
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/microtrends/article5874009.ece
madmac
03-16-2009, 06:38 PM
I don't know Buck, I think them are crack pipes they smoke these days. OK That was kinda mean but I found some sort of sick humor in it. I smoked a pipe about thirty years ago for about a month. Too much time packing, cleaning. Did smell nice though.
I don't know Buck, I think them are crack pipes they smoke these days. OK That was kinda mean but I found some sort of sick humor in it.
Yes, mac it is mean. You've been hanging out at the political forums again
haven't you? ;D ;D
pcrowder
03-17-2009, 09:16 AM
Why anyone would want to pollute their lungs and everyone else's around them is beyond me. Or is second-hand smoke only considered BAD if it comes from cigarattes?
Why anyone would want to pollute their lungs and everyone else's around them is beyond me. Or is second-hand smoke only considered BAD if it comes from cigarattes?
So they qualify as a warrior in the anti-tobacco wars. Will this post bring you
enough points for your merit badge as nanny warrior supreme?
flatwater
03-17-2009, 06:19 PM
An interesting reply Buck. pcrowder just gave a statement of his opinion and you tried to ridicule him. It would seem that you have no regard for any ones health including your own. Let me ask you a simple question. Do you believe that smoking is good for your health ? Just a simple yes or no will be sufficient
An interesting reply Buck. pcrowder just gave a statement of his opinion and you tried to ridicule him. It would seem that you have no regard for any ones health including your own. Let me ask you a simple question. Do you believe that smoking is good for your health ? Just a simple yes or no will be sufficient
Flat, I ,and millions of other tobacco consumers, get real tired of the negative
comments from people who have no business commenting since they are
not tobacco consumers they just wanna throw a jab at those who are
tobacco consumers.
Tobacco IS a legal product like it or not. That said, there is research that
is proving that tobacco, in moderation, DOES have healthful effect on
the human body . Now before anyone cranks up..."Cigarettes" are NOT a
tobacco product....they are a chemical product colored brown.
Pipe tobacco, RYO, and premium cigars are all tobacco and thus used in
moderation. So YES, tobacco does have healthful benefits when used in
moderation. Tobacco is also being studied for use in pesticides since it
has no hold over to the consumer.
there is research that
is proving that tobacco, in moderation, DOES have healthful effect on
the human body . Now before anyone cranks up..."Cigarettes" are NOT a
tobacco product....they are a chemical product colored brown.
Pipe tobacco, RYO, and premium cigars are all tobacco and thus used in
moderation. So YES, tobacco does have healthful benefits when used in
moderation. Tobacco is also being studied for use in pesticides since it
has no hold over to the consumer.
Hey Buck, I have some "swamp land" forsale in Florida, you interested??
DM
*Hey Buck, *I have some "swamp land" forsale in Florida, you interested??
*DM
"Flat, I ,and millions of other tobacco consumers, get real tired of the negative
comments from people who have no business commenting since they are
not tobacco consumers they just wanna throw a jab at those who are
tobacco consumers."
Boris859
03-18-2009, 08:20 PM
actually I find the smell of pipe tobacco to be extremely relaxing,especialy the black and mild,I am trying to quit the cigarettes .
actually I find the smell of pipe tobacco to be extremely relaxing,especialy the black and mild,I am trying to *quit the cigarettes .
I fully support any effort by any BWH member to quit toxic ciagrettes. A
switch to the pipe will help if ,as an adult, you choose to enjoy tobacco in
ways a cigarette never can give you. However, Once you switch to the pipe
it MUST BE a 100% effort so that last ciggie must be the last ciggie replaced
by the pipe from then on.
To learn , yes, I said LEARN, to smoke a pipe for pure maximum pleasure
google to see all the pipe smokers forums and pipe instruction info on the
web. Pipe smoking is a very pleasant past time with lot's of very nice
people joining you in fellowship.
madmac
03-19-2009, 08:23 PM
Yes, mac it is mean. You've been hanging out at the political forums again
haven't you? ;D ;D
Buck. Glad you seen the humor. Smoke your pipe if it gives you satisfaction. Life seems to be short on satisfaction these days.
carugoman
03-20-2009, 04:40 AM
Hey Buck, I have some "swamp land" forsale in Florida, you interested??
DM
Where's that land located? I might be interested! I have over 200 acres of swampland( we call it a bayou in these parts of Florida) and I'm always looking to add more!
Mr. Buck,
I smoke cigarettes but I roll my own and purchase tobacco from a farmer, that my SIL knows, in Kentucky. He sells it to me split leaf, with the center vein removed and sends 5 lbs a time for me to cut as I see fit. Sometimes, if there's a smaller un-split leaf, I'll use that as a wrapper for a dandy countrified cigar( it don't look pretty, but it smokes just fine!) When my arthritis takes permanent hold then I'll switch to the pipe.
As for those that wish to be sarcastic and downright nasty about those that wish to smoke; butt out-literally! What is said about opinions and butts?
flatwater
03-20-2009, 06:18 PM
Hay yall ,I don't really care if anyone smokes. It is their right. You can smoke ciggs , pot pipe , regular pipe , cigars and dog turds. But do me a favor please ? If you do come down with a lung decease , mouth problems or any number ailments connected to smoking , pay your Dr. & hospital bills with cash and not with your heath insurance. I'm getting tired of paying for your bad habits. Now isn't that a fare deal ? :-* :-*
flatwater
03-20-2009, 06:22 PM
Oh Oh and another thing , If you smoke around me and it gets where I have to smell it , I'll just come over to you and pee on your pant leg and we will call it even. Ya see I'm fare about this >:(
Country_Mike
03-20-2009, 06:47 PM
My dad was a pipe smoker for many years and I remember how good the unburned tobacco smelled. Once lit, well....
I dont care if people smoke as long as I dont have to smell it. Yech :P
pcrowder
03-21-2009, 06:12 PM
An interesting reply Buck. pcrowder just gave a statement of his opinion and you tried to ridicule him. It would seem that you have no regard for any ones health including your own. Let me ask you a simple question. Do you believe that smoking is good for your health ? Just a simple yes or no will be sufficient
What else do you expect, flat? Anyone who doesn't fawn all over Buck's opinion is to be ridiculed in his eyes.
Just for everyonen's information - I used to smoke a pack a day for 13 years, and quit cold turkey. So I DO know of what I speak.
Native87
03-22-2009, 06:33 AM
Hey Buck,
i am interested in the pipe. I tried it but I have NO idea how to do it. Packin wrong maybe? I dont know what the problem is. Any site or what have you would be good. I have been buying RYO cig tobacco but I would rather get away from the tubes paper blah blah. I didnt know that RYO was different than reg cig tobacco though. What is the deal with that? Thanks.
Terry
Google this term "instructions on pipe smoking" to get a whole host
of links to the very subtle in's & out's of the pipe. One thing to remember
Enjoying the pipe is NOT like stuffing a cigarette in your mouth and firing
up!!!
The cigarette and the pipe are different from each other as can be found!
There are also several very helpful pipe forums with loads of info on
everything from tobacco's to pipe's to the subtle methods to use the
pipe for your enjoyment.
Native87
03-22-2009, 02:12 PM
Thanks Buck
Texasbound
03-25-2009, 05:46 PM
I've smoked a pipe for years now.... but I really only smoke it a couple of times a month. Enjoy sitting out on the back porch and have a smoke with a good glass of scotch. I realize that neither are healthy for me, but it does really relax me tremendously. There is something to say about the health effects of reducing stress (not that I'm saying smoking is by any means healthy). I feel that if you are enjoying it and not infringing on your neighbors space/health/rights then it is really your own business. I do agree, that I take the risk of bad health, and if I develop a medical problem then I shouldn't dump the responsibility on others. Of course you can use that line of thought with nearly everything. Just my $.02
ryanmercer
03-27-2009, 03:17 AM
Pipes rock :) We are fortunate enough to have a really cool pipe and cigar store here :)
And for everyone bad mouthing smoking... how would you feel if I started bad mouthing your self-reliance way of life? You'd get down right mad!
And for everyone bad mouthing smoking... how would you feel if I started bad mouthing your self-reliance way of life? You'd get down right mad!
Nope, not if it was the truth i wouldn't... Especially, if the "truth" was hurting my family... :'(
DM
ryanmercer
03-27-2009, 02:27 PM
*Nope, not if it was the truth i wouldn't... *Especially, if the "truth" was hurting my family... * *:'(
*DM
Well I could say your acreage is preventing my family from having a nice golf course to frequent, or landfill... those hurt my morale and ability to buy more disposable products.
Do you use a bank that pays interest... being Muslim I could argue your dealing with usury (since interest is illegal to me religiously) is harming my family by encouraging the sinful practice to spread more...
but I don't. If you go to a business and someone there is smoking, leave if you feel strongly about it. No one is forcing you to stay there.
Well I could say your acreage is preventing my family from having a nice golf course to frequent, or landfill... those hurt my morale and ability to buy more disposable products.
Do you use a bank that pays interest... being Muslim I could argue your dealing with usury (since interest is illegal to me religiously) is harming my family by encouraging the sinful practice to spread more...
but I don't. If you go to a business and someone there is smoking, leave if you feel strongly about it. No one is forcing you to stay there.
You can say anything you want, but it will just be your opinion... BUT, it's not just an "opinion" that smokeing kills the smoker and hurts the people around them. That includes their familys...
There's plenty of dead smokers around to prove that point...
DM
ryanmercer
03-27-2009, 06:08 PM
*You can say anything you want, but it will just be your opinion... *BUT, it's not just an "opinion" that smokeing kills the smoker and hurts the people around them. *That includes their familys...
*There's plenty of dead smokers around to prove that point...
*DM
Yeah like my father, who died quite literally in my arms 12 days before my 13th birthday... cry me a river, a lot of other things kill people too. Like automobile exhaust, lightning, fires, food allergies, rabid animals...
Should we make automobiles illegal, going out in storms illegal, having anything that generates heat illegal, make shellfish... peanuts...wheat...gluten illegal? Kill every animal on the planet to stop rabies?
Boris859
03-27-2009, 06:45 PM
funny how everthing in here turns into anargument lately,even a stupid little thing like pipe smoking,thanks for the post Buck,perhaps I'll pick up some pipe tobacco and just light a little in the ashtray,just like incense. ;)
Yeah like my father, who died quite literally in my arms 12 days before my 13th birthday... cry me a river, a lot of other things kill people too. Like automobile exhaust, lightning, fires, food allergies, rabid animals...
Should we make automobiles illegal, going out in storms illegal, having anything that generates heat illegal, make shellfish... peanuts...wheat...gluten illegal? Kill every animal on the planet to stop rabies?
NO crying here... NO argueing either... I'm just stateing the facts... I have no problem with you doing the same...
It doesn't take a genius to figure out what smokeing does to folks...
DM
*NO crying here... *NO argueing either... *I'm just stateing the facts... *I have no problem with you doing the same...
*It doesn't take a genius to figure out what smokeing does to folks...
*DM
The argument over the ills and benefits of tobacco has been settled long
ago in the courts. That said, no one gives a darn about a persons personal
views on tobacco.........as long as you keep them to yourself.
ryanmercer
03-28-2009, 08:26 AM
Consider smoking swearing... as long as it's legal where the person is doing it, if you don't like it leave :)
That being said, I need to get dressed so I can drive over to the pipe puffer to stock up before what, Wednesday.
GoodDaughter
03-28-2009, 01:41 PM
I am very lactose intolerant.
One day, I'm going to chug a big vanilla milkshake, wait about 2 hrs, go sit next to someone smoking, and fart my a$$ off.
Hey, if they don't like it, they can leave, right?
I am very lactose intolerant.
One day, I'm going to chug a big vanilla milkshake, wait about 2 hrs, *go sit next to someone smoking, and fart my a$$ off.
Hey, if they don't like it, they can leave, right?
Ugh! The visual on that one is gruesome!:P
Texasbound
03-29-2009, 08:17 PM
According to the medical and scientific research, it has been proven that we all begin dying right after the moment weve been born..... hmmm.
funny how everthing in here turns into anargument lately
Well, Don't take this personally but it must be the quality of people that this
board attracts. There is no other reasonable answer. :-/
There are a lot of just plain good folk's but then the fringe seem to hang out
here too. :-/
According to the medical and scientific research, it has been proven that we all begin dying right after the moment weve been born..... hmmm.
Yeah, I know. Everybody has an "opinion" but then everybody has a rectum too. 8)
Pipe smokers get lumped in with the cigarette smokers ,who are true addicts,
ignoring the fact that pipe smoking is an art ,and for most a hobby, not an
addiction in need of treatment.
flatwater
03-30-2009, 06:49 PM
Oh please Buck spare me the art and hobby and not an addiction thing ;D ;D ;D But it is an ego thing.
Good daughter , I've never seen anyone fart their a$$ off. Can I come watch ? butt ya have to be careful that their not about to light their pipe when ya do it , it could cause a god awfull exsplosion :o :o :o
Oh please Buck spare me the art and hobby and not an addiction thing ;D ;D ;D But it is an ego thing.
Smiles or not you're not a bit funny or correct. You are ,as usual, just...WRONG. ::)
What bother me , and other pipe smokers that have the misfortune to meet
you, is that you don't even have the decency to keep your opinion about such
a personal choice to yourself.
If you're a pipe smoker or other tobacco consumer and you missed the 4/1/09
dead line to buy your tobacco supplies get ready it's gonna cost a lot more.
http://www.apassionforpipes.com/A_Passion_for_Pipes/Blog/Entries/2009/3/30_Our_Tipping_Point%3A_Read_%26_Make_a_Difference .html
The tobacco nannys will cheer but little do they know that THEY will have to
pick up the cost that is lost on the declining number of tobacco users that
are being taxed out of existence. 8)
ryanmercer
03-31-2009, 03:03 AM
If you're a pipe smoker or other tobacco consumer and you missed the 4/1/09
dead line to buy your tobacco supplies get ready it's gonna cost a lot more.
http://www.apassionforpipes.com/A_Passion_for_Pipes/Blog/Entries/2009/3/30_Our_Tipping_Point%3A_Read_%26_Make_a_Difference .html
The tobacco nannys will cheer but little do they know that THEY will have to
pick up the cost that is lost on the declining number of tobacco users that
are being taxed out of existence. So laugh while you can 'cause YOU'RE
going to inherit this tax!! 8)
The news just said 68 cents more... thats not all that much.
flatwater
03-31-2009, 06:10 PM
It balances out Buck. We may have to pay higher taxes (but dought it) but maybe we won't have to pay for your medical costs in higher insurance ;D My mom smoked since she was 13 untill her death at 82 from lung cancer and other smoking illnesses related to smoking. I ran a quick numbers thing to average out what she paid over the years and came up with a rough number of 257,000.00 dollars. Instead of me having to pay her medical bills that the insurance would not cover , she could have done it herself :'(
pcrowder
04-01-2009, 02:29 PM
Well, Don't take this personally but it must be the quality of people that this
board attracts. There is no other reasonable answer. :-/
*:-/
Guess you need to include YOURSELF in that too..right Buck?
Thank you for providing me with a good example of what I was talking about.
kenfagan
04-10-2009, 11:01 PM
i have always liked pipes, my grandfather used to smoke a pipe, and it did smell nice, i have smoked cigars and chewed toacco for years, and do sometimes smoke a pipe, it is very relaxing, and i agree, that, like red wine, good tabacco is benifical to your health in modertion.
ken
kenfagan
04-10-2009, 11:03 PM
my grandfather used to smoke a pipe, and it did smell nice. i have smoked cigars and chewed tobacco for years, and have recently taken up pipe smoking, i agree that it is very relaxing, and like red wine, good tabacco is benefical to your health in moderation.
ken
dearg
04-11-2009, 07:50 AM
I don't really have a dog in this fight as I don't smoke. My parents did and most of my relatives. Been exposed to second hand smoke most of my life, now in my 50's have never had any breathing problems. Most of these same relatives are in their 80's and 90's now. Maybe it's just good genetics.
But my problem with tobacco is the additives, take a look at the list of things approved to be added.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cigarette_additives
From what I have read these additives are not tested as inhalants, kinda makes me wonder how they approve them.
But my problem with tobacco is the additives, take a look at the list of things approved to be added.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cigarette_additives
From what I have read these additives are not tested as inhalants, kinda makes me wonder how they approve them.
Tobacco additives are the dirty secret in the whole tobacco war. Not one
of the chemicals used in, or on, tobacco today has every been reviewed or
approved by any federal agency.....not one.
Pipe tobacco is by nature a pure tobacco , with food grade flavorings for
aromatics, product unlike the much adulterated addictive cigarette.
pcrowder
04-11-2009, 08:40 AM
Pipe smoking still produces second-hand smoke, making it unhealthy for those around it.
Captain_Sternn
04-11-2009, 10:16 AM
Pipe smoking still produces second-hand smoke, making it unhealthy for those around it.
So does owning a parrot or frying bacon. Life is about risk management. I know plenty of 90 year old men who smoked every day of their lives and their wives are still right there beside them sharing the air. Seems that second hand smoke isn't an instant death sentence so why panic about it?
Pipe smoking still produces second-hand smoke, making it unhealthy for those around it.
Yep, that's junk science for you.......
idris
04-11-2009, 11:08 AM
Well, there you go: I was just reading Buck's complaint about being banned. Y'know, it looks like Oliver got it right. I used to smoke: back last century.
Kiss a non-smoker, enjoy the difference!
pcrowder
04-11-2009, 12:30 PM
junk science? Let me see if I can make this simple for you, Buck:
Pipe tobacco is just that, Buck - tobacco. When it burns, it produces smoke. Smoke that is filled with carcinogens, tar, napthalene.
"Besides the unpleasant odor, second hand tobacco smoke can cause serious allergy and respiratory problems. It's comprised of over 4,000 chemicals, with around 40 known carcinogens. "
These (and others articles) do NOT mention a difference between cigarette tobacco smoke and pipe tobacco smoke. They simply say "tobacco" smoke.
But I guess anything that goes against what you want, you just consider "junk science". * ::) *
http://www.trdrp.org/fundedresearch/Views/Grant_Page.asp?grant_id=2021
http://www.health.act.gov.au/c/health?a=sendfile&ft=p&fid=1066804225&sid=
http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-the-Best-Air-Purifier-to-Remove-Tobacco-Smoke?&id=401101
Once again, pc you stalk me and my threads and oliver does nothing.
Now that you pretty much spoiled this thread what now?
And I'm the one who is accused of being a "provocateur" *???
Well, there you go: I was just reading Buck's complaint about being banned. Y'know, it looks like Oliver got it right. I used to smoke: back last century.
Oh really? What does a vaction have to do with pipe smoking? Are you
saying that smokers are a sub class of people?
rivahmom
04-11-2009, 06:32 PM
Well, there you go: I was just reading Buck's complaint about being banned. Y'know, it looks like Oliver got it right. I used to smoke: back last century.
Kiss a non-smoker, enjoy the difference!
I enjoy the difference greatly. Kissing smokers is like licking an ashtray.
rivahmom
04-11-2009, 06:47 PM
My step daughter has severe ashma(sp.) fits when she breathes any smoke. This includes tobacco, brush, etc... While I could care less what people do in their homes, I do not appreciate breathing it in a public place that does not provide a clear route of escape from it (hence the reason I don't visit bars). While pipe smoke or cigars does not bother me, cigarettes nearly kill me. I am aware of the chemicals they put in them to increase addiction. My grandparents and great-grandparents always grew tobacco for chewing. My granddad soaked a tobacco braid in brandy and chewed it. He gave some to this guy that came to the house one time and we had to call the man's wife to come pick him up :).
Buck, since you like pipe smoking, have you ever considered making pipes? Some that I have seen are almost works of art.
My step daughter has severe ashma(sp.) fits when she breathes any smoke. *This includes tobacco, brush, etc... While I could care less what people do in their homes, I do not appreciate breathing it in a public place that does not provide a clear route of escape from it (hence the reason I don't visit bars). *While pipe smoke or cigars does not bother me, cigarettes nearly kill me. *I am aware of the chemicals they put in them to increase addiction. *My grandparents and great-grandparents always grew tobacco for chewing. *My granddad soaked a tobacco braid in brandy and chewed it. *He gave some to this guy that came to the house one time and we had to call the man's wife to come pick him up *:). *
Buck, since you like pipe smoking, have you ever considered making pipes? *Some that I have seen are almost works of art. *
Yes, I'm aware of the inconvenience of smoke of any kind to many people.
That's why I , and most other pipe smokers, *always ask others if they
mind if we smoke in their presence. In fact I don't smoke in my cars or
my home out of respect for my wife who has *severe allergies. I have
"man cave" on my enclosed front porch where I enjoy my pipe or outside.
I've considered making a pipe or two just never got around to it yet. *I own
a few very expensive pipes that are works of art that never will be smoked
they are so grand to look at in their glass cases.
Also, The common cigarette is a foul device of the devil due to the toxic
chemicals they contain that get really foul when burned to smoke. They
should be illegal to smoke or own as pure tobacco is strong enough to make
a person really sick if inhaled.
rivahmom
04-11-2009, 07:17 PM
Yes, I'm aware of the inconvenience of smoke of any kind to many people.
That's why I , and most other pipe smokers, *always ask others if they
mind if we smoke in their presence. In fact I don't smoke in my cars or
my home out of respect for my wife who has *severe allergies. I have
"man cave" on my enclosed front porch where I enjoy my pipe or outside.
I've considered making a pipe or two just never got around to it yet. *I own
a few very expensive pipes that are works of art that never will be smoked
they are so grand to look at in their glass cases.
Also, The common cigarette is a foul device of the devil due to the toxic
chemicals they contain that get really foul when burned to smoke. They
should be illegal to smoke or own as pure tobacco is strong enough to make
a person really sick if inhaled.
My Grandma always said the cigarette went to hell the day they put filters on them :D. It is a habit I'm glad I never picked up.
swampcedars
04-13-2009, 07:28 AM
This truned into a bit of a cat fight from what I am seeing.
Anything we do in public will impact someone else...from smoking to tail pipe emmissions from a car, tractor, chainsaw...to many other things.
As for having people pay for things they do to hurt thier health...that sounds like a slipery slope...what about people that are over weight and get diabetes or high cholesterol...heck riding a motor cycle and having a accident - it's normally pretty bad compared to a car accident...I am sure we can think of many other things as well.
...my simple point is this...we all should clean up our own back yard before we go after other's...don't push your agendas on me and I won't push mine on you.
This truned into a bit of a cat fight from what I am seeing.
...my simple point is this...we all should clean up our own back yard before we go after other's...don't push your agendas on me and I won't push mine on you.
Yep, and it shouldn't have turned into anything but a discussion. Your last line
is the reason it turned as it did.....by a thread spoiler.
Thanks for you insight..........
Captain_Sternn
04-13-2009, 10:26 AM
I enjoy the difference greatly. *Kissing smokers is like licking an ashtray.
How many ashtrays have you licked in your time? Why would you want to lick an ash tray in the first place? Do you have a potasium deficency? There are pills for that you know.
rivahmom
04-13-2009, 11:01 AM
I guess figures of speech are lost on some people. ::).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
How many ashtrays have you licked in your time? *Why would you want to lick an ash tray in the first place? *Do you have a potasium deficency? *There are pills for that you know.
Whoa here! You're being not only a little rough but mega rude dude!
This kinda behavior will get you a loooong vaction if continued. Been there.
Captain_Sternn
04-13-2009, 07:14 PM
I just want to know how anyone knows that kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray. To be sure someone would have had to do both. Now, I've been a smoker and my wife has kissed me but she's never licked an ashtray. I've kissed a few smokers but haven't licked an ashtray. So what I want to know is who is this adventurous person who made the comparison to be able to start the figure of speech.
After all, if I said making love to a conservative was like being eaten alive by maggots then one would certainly ask "have you both made love to a conservative and been eaten alive by maggots?" I would have to answer no to both of those and thus my figure of speech wouldn't be accepted by the folks here.
I just want to know how anyone knows that kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray. *To be sure someone would have had to do both. *Now, I've been a smoker and my wife has kissed me but she's never licked an ashtray. *I've kissed a few smokers but haven't licked an ashtray. *So what I want to know is who is this adventurous person who made the comparison to be able to start the figure of speech. *
After all, if I said making love to a conservative was like being eaten alive by maggots then one would certainly ask "have you both made love to a conservative and been eaten alive by maggots?" *I would have to answer no to both of those and thus my figure of speech wouldn't be accepted by the folks here. *
Yeah, I know, but then some people are just sour old dried up grapes too.8)
Naughty_Pines
04-14-2009, 08:34 AM
Yeah, I know, but then some people are just sour old dried up grapes too.8)
Like Buck !
pcrowder
04-14-2009, 08:51 AM
Once again, pc you stalk me and my threads and oliver does nothing.
Now that you pretty much spoiled this thread what now?
And I'm the one who is accused of being a "provocateur" *???
So, if I participate in a discussion, I'm now being accused of being a "stalker"? Wow, I thought these threads were open to ANYONE. I didn't know I had to get YOUR permission to be able to post on them.
Like Buck !
Shame on you.http://bestsmileys.com/signs11/21.gif
pcrowder
04-14-2009, 08:58 AM
Once again, pc you stalk me and my threads and oliver does nothing.
Now that you pretty much spoiled this thread what now?
And I'm the one who is accused of being a "provocateur" *???
I spoiled the thread? What do you base that on? Links to sources rather than just "opinion"?
Captain_Sternn
04-14-2009, 11:30 AM
I spoiled the thread? What do you base that on? Links to sources rather than just "opinion"?
As someone who others have accused of spoiling threads and such I'd have to say you're doing a lot of the same things I do. So either you are a spoiler or I am not. Your choice.
Michael32170
04-14-2009, 12:03 PM
I have to come down on the side of Buck, this time.
However Buck, most of these people are responding based on some of your other comments. If you dish it out, you have to be willing to take it.
After all, it's a lot of fun when you get involved. It cuts down on the boredom.
I have to come down on the side of Buck, this time.
However Buck, most of these people are responding based on some of your other comments. If you dish it out, you have to be willing to take it.
After all, it's a lot of fun when you get involved. It cuts down on the boredom.
Yes, I know. I also wish that pc would lighten up a bit. I'll have put her on
ignore again to stay safe from another dispute which I ain't gonna get into
again. Oh well, :-/
Folk's I really do hope "we" can get back to the topic of pipe smoking
which is very important to me. Enough of these pot shots from
ner-do-wells that spoil the fun for me and everybody else. :-/
Fred_47460
04-14-2009, 01:26 PM
Just for the record...I don't smoke. I used to be a 2 pack-a-day smoker, but I gave that up 20 years ago. However, I do like the aroma of some pipe tobaccos. My Dad is a pipe smoker...and it stinks in his house. In fact, I find that WE stink after we go for a visit. But I think he has the right to smoke in his own house.....I would think everyone here would say he has that right. He does NOT smoke in my house...but he is free to smoke while he is outside here while visiting. I do get awful tired of some people telling others how they should live their lives. Mind your own business.
Fred
pcrowder
04-14-2009, 04:27 PM
Because I bring up the OTHER side of smoking (you brought up the positive side in your opinion), I am now taking "pot shots"? Wow, I guess the OTHER side of an arguement is NOT welcome unless it is coming from you, right Buck? I didn't realize that commentary on the subject was NOT welcome, just opinions that agree with yours. So much for the honest debate that Oliver spoke of...Guess there never WILL be honest debate with you, will there Buck? I guess I should have realized that by now.
And yes, please, DO put me on ignore....that way when I post an opinion on a thread, you will not see it, and will not accuse me of STALKING you.... ::)
GoodDaughter
04-14-2009, 05:32 PM
Buck, this is what, the third or fourth time you've cried about people 'stalking' you here on the forum?
Do you not realize that this is a very small population of people here on this forum, many of whom are regular posters? This hardly makes them 'stalkers'. What it does make them is regulars on the forum who choose to participate in posts--nothing more than that. Why you think anyone here would waste their time 'stalking' someone as irrational as you is beyond me.
I think your time here is just about up. Just keep going the way you are, accusing people of stalking & etc.
Captain_Sternn
04-14-2009, 06:22 PM
Because I bring up the OTHER side of smoking I am now taking "pot shots"?
You tossed out a bunch of incendiary comments that were designed to anger the people who were peacefully discussing the topic of pipe smoking. You derailed the conversation. That makes you the Troll on this thread buddy. Get over it.
pcrowder
04-14-2009, 06:27 PM
Incendiary comments? Because I provided links? Wow, I guess anyone who produces SCIENTIFIC FACTS is now considered incendiary... ::)
Captain_Sternn
04-14-2009, 06:29 PM
I do get awful tired of some people telling others how they should live their lives. Mind your own business.
People are always the best freedom fighters for their own vices because they see those vices as virtues. They are not often good freedom fighters for other peoples vices. Cigar smokers don't support pot smokers, pot smokers don't support cigarette smokers. The alcoholics don't back up the the crack smokers. It's sad. Everyone is poisoning themselves and their associates in some way.
That's how the people in power manage to get everything illegal over time. Your vice makes you a minority. If the majority can be convinced that your vice should be illegal it gets illegal. I'm just not sure if the next vice they will hit hard will be SUVs or guns. It will be fun finding out.
Captain_Sternn
04-14-2009, 06:36 PM
Incendiary comments? Because I provided links? Wow, I guess anyone who produces SCIENTIFIC FACTS is now considered incendiary.
No, anyone tossing out politically correct studies that are motivated by a socialist agenda is being incendiary.
::)
Rolling eye smileys? Come on. Be a grown up and express yourself without pouting emoticons.
pcrowder
04-15-2009, 09:57 AM
Pipe smoking of tobacco is as old as mankind's knowledge of tobacco and is
still the proper way to use tobacco........
The story........
"Many ye olde things eventually become trendy again and the latest yesteryear fashion making a comeback is pipe smoking.
• No one tracks how many young people smoke pipe tobacco. But the evidence, at least in the US, is of a renaissance. According to the Cigar Association of America, 4,900,000lb of pipe tobacco were sold in 2006, from a high of 52,000,000lb almost 30 years ago. In 2008, sales climbed again to 5,300,000lb.
• This modest increase is credited by many to retro-loving students. Facebook and MySpace have thousands of members signed up to groups such as “The Ladies’ Pipe Smoking Salon”.
• The most popular Facebook group is “The Collegiate Gentlemen’s Pipe Smoking League”, with around 1,500 members globally. One 19-year-old member of the club recently told The Wall Street Journal: “They say everyone has an inner child. I guess I have an inner old man.”"
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/microtrends/article5874009.ece
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Going back to your ORIGINAL first post, could you please explain why you posted this in the "frugality" thread?
According to the description on the subject, it says "Anything to do with saving money, living for less, how to save, free stuff, etc. " I do not see where you posted anything regarding the frugality of it vs. other types of smoking, such as cheaper tobacco substitutes, how to save $$ on tobacco by other means (growing your own, adding fillers, etc). or anything having to do with saving money. I honestly think that this topic would have been better suited to the "general" board, but that is JMHO, of course.
johnny
04-15-2009, 10:36 AM
I thought this was originally posted in General but that was another post on smoking pipes I see.
BUT--it does have frugal qualities because if one is going to smoke--and millions do--it is much cheaper to pipe smoke. Or even RYO!
I smoked for over 52 years and quit cold turkey because they raised the taxes on cigs a buck a pack--I quit!
I have a brand new Meershaum [sp] in its case in my drawer that cost over 150 bucks. My late wife bought it for me and that was over 20 years ago as she passed in 89. I had other ones that I smoked but this one is hand carved so it will never get 'lit up' nor handled.
Shoot I still have a little tobacco in the glass container it came in--sort of like a lidded candy jar but for tobacco and if I want the aroma I will just open it for a while. Have a pipe lighter also that hasnt been used for quite some time along with my pipe tool for cleaning and tamping,etc.
Captain_Sternn
04-15-2009, 12:09 PM
I have a brand new meerschaum in its case in my drawer that cost over 150 bucks. *My late wife bought it for me and that was over 20 years ago as she passed in 89. *I had other ones that I smoked but this one is hand carved so it will never get 'lit up' nor handled. *
Shoot I still have a little tobacco in the glass container it came in--sort of like a lidded candy jar but for tobacco and if I want the aroma I will just open it for a while. *Have a pipe lighter also that hasnt been used for quite some time along with my pipe tool for cleaning and tamping,etc.
Oh the memories you just dredged up from the back of my head. I smoked pipe and cigar for years. For a short while I smoked cigarettes but quite cold turkey when I got engaged. Didn't want to smoke in front of a child. But I still will light up a cigar from time to time.
My father and I enjoy a cigar now and again. Neither of us should be smoking them with all the pills the docs have us on but hey, you've got to live a little bit now and again. I have many fond memories of a cigar and a bottle of scotch with my father.
Somewhere in my junk box is a meerschaum pipe I bought twenty years ago at least. I did smoke it, very smooth smoking it was. It was a nice pleasant habit until I started the cigarettes. Then smoking became more of a therapeutic treatment for nicotine withdrawal than a pleasant thing to do in the evening.
Damn, now I want to dig that old pipe up and get some tobacco again. That sounds like a nice thing to do on a cool summer evening out on the deck.
johnny
04-15-2009, 08:26 PM
One of the absolute finest smoking pipes I ever had was a leather wrapped one I bought in Mainz,Ger. Smoked that dude for over 10 years before I fell on it in VietNam and broke the stem--almost cried--ha.
I wont smoke anymore BUT if I decide to--it'll darn well be a pipe--period!
Captain_Sternn
04-15-2009, 08:34 PM
I was doing foreclosure work, damn was it twenty years ago already, and we could keep "whatever wasn't bolted or nailed down". I found a rack of pipes in one, at least twenty of them. Not a one was plastic, all nice wood. No meerschaums or leather wrapped ones though. The crowd I was running with at the time started smoking pipes all the time then. Of course, that was when people could still smoke in public without being compared to mass murderers.
*Of course, that was when people could still smoke in public without being compared to mass murderers.
Pipe smokers , normally, don't get the glares and stares that Cigrette &
Cigar smokers get. If someone notices me when I puff in public they often
have kinda a far away look like they are remembering a much loved memory
or are simply curious. Never had a hateful word or look in public...only on the
net where people can be mean 'cause they don't have to look you in the eye.
One of the absolute finest smoking pipes I ever had was a leather wrapped one I bought in Mainz,Ger. *Smoked that dude for over 10 years before I fell on it in VietNam and broke the stem--almost cried--ha.
I wont smoke anymore BUT if I decide to--it'll darn well be a pipe--period! *
Limited pipe smoking (2 to 3 bowls a day) is often considered theraputic for
stress relief by many doctors that will tell you the truth. These same doctors
will kick your butt at the mention of a common toxic cigarette that have no
value whatsoever.
*Didn't want to smoke in front of a child. *But I still will light up a cigar from time to time.
My father and I enjoy a cigar now and again. *Neither of us should be smoking them with all the pills the docs have us on but hey, you've got to live a little bit now and again. *I have many fond memories of a cigar and a bottle of scotch with my father.
Somewhere in my junk box is a meerschaum pipe I bought twenty years ago at least. *I did smoke it, very smooth smoking it was. *It was a nice pleasant habit until I started the cigarettes. *Then smoking became more of a therapeutic treatment for nicotine withdrawal than a pleasant thing to do in the evening.
Damn, now I want to dig that old pipe up and get some tobacco again. *That sounds like a nice thing to do on a cool summer evening out on the deck.
A a pipe in the evening or when stress levels are high is good medicinal use
of pipe tobacco. Now I'm NOT taking about having a pipe in your mouth
all day. Oh no, I'm taking about the use of the pipe as originally intended
for comfort and relaxation. For this purpose nothing beats a pipe. Nothing. 8)
Amazing relaxation is your reward as you sit and sip the smoke a pipe can
give. The American Indians really were on to something years ago.
Country_Mike
04-16-2009, 08:42 AM
Buck, how is pipe tobacco different from cigarettes processing-wise? It smells much better at the very least. I wish I could remember my dad's brand. I believe it came in a pouch that was reddish-black on one side and beige or red on the other.
Mike
Buck, how is pipe tobacco different from cigarettes processing-wise? *It smells much better at the very least. *I wish I could remember my dad's brand. *I believe it came in a pouch that was reddish-black on one side and beige or red on the other.
Mike
Unknown to a vast majority of Cigarette consumers the primary "tobacco"
blend in cigarettes is NOT really tobacco at all.
It's ..........Reconstituted leaf (RL) sheet: a paper-like material made from recycled tobacco fines, tobacco stems and "class tobacco", which consists of tobacco particles less than 30 mesh in size (~0.599 mm) that are collected at any stage of tobacco processing. RL is made by extracting the soluble chemicals in the tobacco by-products, processing the leftover tobacco fibres from the extraction into a paper, and then reapplying the extracted materials in concentrated form onto the paper in a fashion similar to what is done in paper sizing. At this stage ammonium additives are applied to make reconstituted tobacco an effective nicotine delivery system.(read toxic trash)
Pipe tobacco, on the other hand is.......
Tobaccos for smoking in pipes are often carefully treated and blended to achieve flavour nuances not available in other tobacco products. Many of these are blends using staple ingredients of variously cured Burley and Virginia tobaccos which are enhanced by spice tobaccos, among them many Oriental or Balkan varietals, Latakia (a fire-cured spice tobacco of Cypriot or Syrian origin), Perique (uniquely grown in St. James Parish, Louisiana) or blends of Virginia and Burley tobaccos of African, Indian, or South American origins. Traditionally, many U.S. blends are made of American Burley with sweeteners and flavorings added to create an "aromatic" flavor, whereas "English" blends are based on natural Virginia tobaccos enhanced with Oriental and other natural tobaccos. There is a growing tendency towards "natural" tobaccos which derive their aromas from artful blending with selected spice tobaccos only and careful, often historically-based, curing processes. (read real pure or food grade flavored tobacco)
Real pure tobacco takes much, much less to satisfy the consumer while
exposing the consumer to a tiny fraction of the nicotine or harmful effects
that are the hallmark of much adulterated cigarettes & cheap machine
made cigars.
A good general dicsussion about the pipe & pipe tobacco's.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_pipe
Click this link for pipe tobacco info.......
(cut & paste in to bring up the correct page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_pipe_(tobacco)
indyguy
04-16-2009, 03:33 PM
when did reconstituted leaf become the norm for cigs?
Any idea of the time frame?
johnny
04-16-2009, 03:36 PM
Many years ago Sears here had a tobacco shop and the blend I loved--aromatic and mild was sold but they closed up about 20 years ago and I couldnt find it anymore so I quit the pipe after trying several other blends. Bucks right--it had a soothing and relaxing effect on me at the end of the day to have a few puffs.
Anon001
04-16-2009, 04:34 PM
My dad smoked a pipe for 50 years. I can't remember what tobacco he smoked but t came in green can and a yellow can. Then he blended them, (I think). *I also think it may have been Dutch.... but not sure. It had a sweet pleasant aroma. *Would anyone happen to remember or know the name of the tobacco? *he used a leather (Ithink) tobacco pouch and he would refill the pouch each night for the next day.
P.S. The Wiki article stated that most pipe smokers do NOT inhale the smoke but hold it in the mouth only and then release it? Is this true? It seems my dad always inhaled it.
when did reconstituted leaf become the norm for cigs?
Any idea of the time frame?
From my notes on tobacco history........
In 1882, the cigarette was a specialty item - made by hand, sold for a penny apiece, and very much the stepchild of other tobacco products. But change was in the wind. An automated cigarette rolling machine, developed by 18-year-old James Bonsack, was put into use in 1883 and revolutionized production. The retail price was cut in half, and volume, which in premachine days had never exceeded 500 million, leaped to 10 billion by 1910.
1880: Twenty-one-year-old Virginian James Albert Bonsack was granted a patent for his cigarette-rolling machine.
The cigarette market was small then; cigarettes were expensive and hand-rolled by “cigarette girls”.
Most manufacturers didn’t see any use for a large number of cigarettes.
The Bonsack machine was seen and rejected by the established cigarette manufacturers.
In 1883, 27-year-old Buck Duke leased the Bonsack machine.
By 1887, once Duke and Bonsack’s mechanics had finished tinkering with it, it was capable of reliably rolling 120,000 cigarettes in 10 hours.
This not only took the cigarette business out of the hands of the cigarette girls, it meant that cigarettes could be made cheaply enough to satisfy a mass market; but the market didn’t exist.
I'd say that as the market increased to to machine mades bring the price
way down "junk" non-tobacco cigarettes came on the market around WWI
or WWII when everything was rationed.
My dad smoked a pipe for 50 years. I can't remember what tobacco he smoked but t came in green can and a yellow can. Then he blended them, (I think). *I also think it may have been Dutch.... but not sure. It had a sweet pleasant aroma. *Would anyone happen to remember or know the name of the tobacco? *he used a leather (Ithink) tobacco pouch and he would refill the pouch each night for the next day.
P.S. *The Wiki article stated that most pipe smokers do NOT inhale the smoke but hold it in the mouth only and then release it? *Is this true? *It seems my dad always inhaled it.
That tobacco your dad smoked was "Sail" from Holland. All of the Dutch
blends are no longer imported.
Do pipe smokers "inhale" yes but very very few due to the strength of pure
pipe tobacco compaired to cigarettes that are non-tobacco. The proper way
to smoke a pipe is to "sip" the smoke then release it slowly from the mouth
only. If the pipe gets to hot to hold you're smoking way to fast. This gives
cigarette smokers fits 'cause the way you smoke a cigarette is to stuff it
in your mouth and suck like there's no tomorrow. Any moron can do that!
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Going back to your ORIGINAL first post, could you please explain why you posted this in the "frugality" thread? *
According to the description on the subject, it says "Anything to do with saving money, living for less, how to save, free stuff, etc. " *I do not see where you posted anything regarding the frugality of it vs. other types of smoking, such as cheaper tobacco substitutes, how to save $$ on tobacco by other means (growing your own, adding fillers, etc). or anything having to do with saving money. I honestly think that this topic would have been better suited to the "general" board, but that is JMHO, of course.
This thread was in General but Bee_Pipes moved it here.
Anon001
04-16-2009, 11:06 PM
Buck, thansk.. now that you wrote it, I do remember it was "Sail". But you say it is no longer imported? Shame. I would have bough it just for the sake of nostalgia.
indyguy
04-17-2009, 08:02 AM
Thanks for the info Buck.
More pipe info.........
http://pipedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
A video about the history and growing process of "Perique" tobacco. This
strain of tobacco is very common in pipe tobacco but only one company
uses it in cigarettes.
This video is very much in line with the basic principals of BWH. Very much
in line..........
http://www.nascigs.com/Default.aspx?TabID=139
One of the largest compaines that produce pipe tobacco. All in all there
are hundreds of pipe tobacco blends to enjoy today.
http://www.orlik.dk/sw17062.asp?myurl=_orlikprod_ShowSubcategories;asp &prodlink=1&RegionId=1&CountryId=39&LanCode=UK&Cat egoryId=1
A list of additives that you will NOT find in , or on, pipe tobacco or
quality hand rolled cigars.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cigarette_additives
AlchemyAcres
04-28-2009, 08:55 PM
A list of additives that you will NOT find in , or on, pipe tobacco or
quality hand rolled cigars.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cigarette_additives
Are you implying that it's healthy?
There are no additives in pipe tobacco??
My Grandfather smoked a pipe for years. and only a pipe.
Unfortunately, he died a painful death from emphysema.
~Martin
Are you implying that it's healthy?
There are no additives in pipe tobacco??
My Grandfather smoked a pipe for years. and only a pipe.
Unfortunately, he died a painful death from emphysema.
~Martin
I'm not implying anything. The additives in pipe tobacco are ALL food grade
from the moisturizer to the flavoring in aeromatics.
The fact that your grandpa died from emphysema has not one bit of bearing
on this thread that is about pipe smoking and other tobacco info to help the
adults here choose their tobacco products wisely. The info I posted has been
focused on displaying the difference between the toxic cigarette and the not
as toxic natural pipe tobaccos.
Trying to instill fear of death, as your comment does, is a low tactic of the
anti-tobacco crowd.
There are many causes of emphysema so it is incorrect to blame lung
problems alway on one source........tobacco.
AlchemyAcres
04-29-2009, 09:48 AM
Trying to instill fear of death, as your comment does, is a low tactic of the
anti-tobacco crowd.
There are many causes of emphysema so it is incorrect to blame lung
problems alway on one source........tobacco.
You can smoke until you turn blue, I don't care.
I never directly blamed tobacco.
He smoked a pipe most of his life and died from emphysema. That's a fact, not speculation or opinion.
More than one doctor told him his emphysema and other lung problems were a result of smoking. That's a fact.
What in the world does this thread have to do with frugality?
~Martin
What in the world does this thread have to do with frugality?
~Martin
Ask bee_pipes since he moved it here from general.
AlchemyAcres
04-29-2009, 10:44 AM
Ask bee_pipes since he moved it here from general.
So, do you agree that this thread has nothing to do with frugality?
~Martin
Yes, it's very much about Frugality. When you consider that a
pack of nasty cigarettes cost $5>10 when the cost of pipe smoking is pennies
for tobacco with a million or more pipes available in the estate market that
further drags down the price.
One thing that always comes up when the word "smoking" is the
people who think they gotta put their 2 cts in by telling another adult what
to think or how to behave concerning the choices they make in life. These
people forget that we all are victims of pollution, foul air, and lousy food
that all work to shorten our lives besides any damage the use of tobacco
might cause.
When we are born there is no guarantee that we will live forever
but people fly in the face of reason to belittle a person who chooses
to enjoy a pipe or two or a decent hand rolled cigar. I hold no such sympathy
for the cigarettes smokers 'cause when faced with hard data (not the junk
science that is the anti-tobacco movement) they still continue to choose the
cigarette knowing full well of the toxins loaded into that product. Pipe
smokers as a rule KNOW what they are doing and limit their use of tobacco
to a few pipe bowls a day or once in awhile as a calming peaceful activity.
Not so the cigarette smoker who has been deliberately addicted via all
the chemicals added to ensure repeat sales.
People always bring up this person or that person who kept smoking
cigarettes as a fear example when if the truth were known something
else played a major role in their demise... not tobacco in 100% of the
cases. I feel sorry for their loss but I have ,and all other adults, the
right to choose what I do as long as it is a legal activity without some
busybody telling me how to live my life.
Now I'm not saying you're a busybody but I ,as well as most pipe smokers,
have to put up with more than our share if these idiots in our daily life. It's
on par with someone critizing who you married or how many kids you have.
So yes, providing Info on the cost advantages of pipe smoking is frugal when
compared to the cost of cigarettes.
It's about risk and about choice for the dollar spent. It's an adult choice and
nobody else's business inspite of what the busybodies say or feel.
AlchemyAcres
04-29-2009, 01:16 PM
"So yes, providing Info on the cost advantages of pipe smoking is frugal when
compared to the cost of cigarettes."
There's no mention of this in your initial post.
This is more a philsophical discussion rather than a frugality discussion.
~Martin
There's no mention of this in your initial post.
This is more a philsophical discussion rather than a frugality discussion.
~Martin
I've been in enough of these discusions to know that the discussion will
eventually get around to cost comparsion.
You however suprized me by thinking , and moving this thread, to Philosophy
which has nothing to do with pipes at all as I see it. Oh well.... at least
the thread didn't get deleted as has happened when a tobacco anti was a
mod as form of revenge on other forums I visit.
Peace,
Well lets put that in our pipes and smoke it. ;D ;D ;D
I found that I do not smoke enough to warrant buying cigarettes, incidentally 8$ a pack now due to fascist democracy.
Yet on occasion, and this is where the pipe comes in handy,
I enjoy the choice of my free will and indulge, pipe is a perfect fit soo....yea for the come back of pipes,
Speaking personally , booo.... to the rhetoric, junk science, and mobocracy for ostracizing me with your discrimination.
333
MIKENSUE
04-30-2009, 12:00 AM
Good post Buck! How the Hey did this get moved to this area.
I agee with you in the fact that no matter what we do we will eventually end up using/consuming something that they say will kill us.
The thing that gets me is the fact that they put a "sin tax" on tobacco, and alcohol. Why not that Mountain Dew, Diet Coke, video games or fast food? Sugar, fat and *inactivity are killing more people now days than booze or tobacco.
I heard on the radio the other day that one in every 10, 4 year olds are now considered to be obese.
Remember when we were young, you went outside to play and it usually consisted of physical activity? Not the planned kind with parents supervising and setting up the rules. The kind that had older children playing with younger children, setting up the rules so they were fair for all. ( If you were under 8 you got 4 strikes, and they couldn't throw it infield, but had to run it infield and hand it off to the baseman) The kind of games where kids had fun, and parents let them.
I think the world is slowly killing itself off with rules, regulations and opinions about how everyone else should live.
" HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN".........
We ALL have our vices.
Sue
A very true observation found on my pipe smokers forums...........
"Cigarettes is to pipe smoking what Britney Spears is to Mozart."
Oh, how true. ;D ;D
EarthMama
05-01-2009, 10:03 PM
A list of additives that you will NOT find in , or on, pipe tobacco or
quality hand rolled cigars.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cigarette_additives
If I were a smoker, this information would be of great interest to me. It would make sense to me that if someone were a smoker, they'd want to do so with tobacco that was the safest and most economical to use.
But I don't smoke... never have and probably never will, at this late stage in the game. But this info would tempt me to at least try a pipe, if I were a cigarette smoker.
Just sayin....
If I were a smoker, this information would be of great interest to me. *It would make sense to me that if someone were a smoker, they'd want to do so with tobacco that was the safest and most economical to use.
But I don't smoke... never have and probably never will, at this late stage in the game. *But this info would tempt me to at least try a pipe, if I were a cigarette smoker.
Just sayin....
Thank you for the kind observation. ;D
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