All the killings happening~

[EarthMama]

I wasn't quite sure where to put this so I looked through all the folders and thought maybe this was the best place.

I don't know about anybody else but I'm getting doggone *unnerved* by all the murders and killings going on in our world today. :-[

Just today I read about a 23 year old boy that killed his 5 year old sister and his 17 year old sister... and was trying to kill his 9 year old sister... on his 5 year old sister's birthday, of all things. I mean, the friggin' candles were still in her birthday cake and the whole bit. The dude used a butcher knife. The cops who responded to the call had to have extensive counseling after the thing. The poor mother of the kids, who had just returned home from work to find all the yellow police tape around her house, fainted when she found out what happened.

Also, today, I read about a guy that killed a bunch of elderly people, plus a nurse, at a nursing home. The average age of the patients killed were 78-98 years old. I mean... why pick on the elderly, for cripes sake??!!

What's the deal here? This is really bothering me. What's the solution... just quit reading the news online or what? We don't have t.v. reception as it is... and I feel like now I should just disconnect from the internet and live in my own little world here on our homestead and totally tune the world's problems out.

But being uninformed isn't exactly the best thing to do either, I don't think.

Frankly, I don't know WHAT to think anymore.

Anybody else feel this way? I didn't put this in the "religious" folder because I just don't feel like hearing people say "get on your knees and pray and everything will be alright" type stuff. It's not that I'm against praying but... well... it's hard for me to explain.

:-/

[rockymtngirl]

Hi Earthmama - I agree it is so hard to understand this and it does seem so prevalent and well...makes you wonder what the heck is going on with people nowadays? Is it just that the new coverage is heightened?
Solution? Well I don't know that we or anyone can fix it. Not reading news sites - I suppose you could just read the weather and business or politics.
It does make me wonder though - can these things be prevented? do the people that know the offenders have hints that something was amiss? I dont know - as a mom I can't imagine one of your kids doing something like this - that's a whole other philosophical dicussion I guess.
Well I don't think I gave you any concrete answers but my .02 anyway

[quantum500]

I wasn't quite sure where to put this so I looked through all the folders and thought maybe this was the best place.

I don't know about anybody else but I'm getting doggone *unnerved* by all the murders and killings going on in our world today. * :-[

Just today I read about a 23 year old boy that killed his 5 year old sister and his 17 year old sister... and was trying to kill his 9 year old sister... on his 5 year old sister's birthday, of all things. *I mean, the friggin' candles were still in her birthday cake and the whole bit. *The dude used a butcher knife. *The cops who responded to the call had to have extensive counseling after the thing. *The poor mother of the kids, who had just returned home from work to find all the yellow police tape around her house, fainted when she found out what happened.

Also, today, I read about a guy that killed a bunch of elderly people, plus a nurse, at a nursing home. *The average age of the patients killed were 78-98 years old. *I mean... why pick on the elderly, for cripes sake??!!

What's the deal here? *This is really bothering me. *What's the solution... just quit reading the news online or what? *We don't have t.v. reception as it is... and I feel like now I should just disconnect from the internet and live in my own little world here on our homestead and totally tune the world's problems out. *

But being uninformed isn't exactly the best thing to do either, I don't think.

Frankly, I don't know WHAT to think anymore.

Anybody else feel this way? *I didn't put this in the "religious" folder because I just don't feel like hearing people say "get on your knees and pray and everything will be alright" type stuff. *It's not that I'm against praying but... well... it's hard for me to explain. *

:-/


There're simply too many people with too high of a stress level. You'll see more of this as the year progresses. IMO if you're going to kill somebody try and make a difference in a positive way instead of a negative.

[333]

Peace,

Speaking personally EarthMama, consider your "news" sources period.

I believe that the source is your issue. I find great solice here for that one simple fact, this is a very clean source, and by clean I mean the majority of new here IS from the "people" that post and or point to many sources with out an agenda.

Try other than US sources, there are many other nations on the net that report news, and sometimes they report better on the events *taking place here then our own media.

Finally, most outlets on tv or their kin on the web do have *an agenda, and they do it very well. Celebrity trash and treasure, pomp and circumstance. Followed by murder and mayhem and scandal. Tradgedy and Hate.

Fear, desperation, deprivation and devisiveness and the most diabolical point is they want you to feel the way you described. Sorry but just my two cents.

Consider the source!!!

Speaking as a philosopher it is precisely these murderer's inabilty to think "critically", (they feel overwhelmed and exasasperated like you) times 33 that causes the mental anguish and subsequent breakdown.


333

[tufhelp]

Also don't forget that the drive-by media is going to give "ink" to anything that happens with any kind of firearm, anytime, anyplace. In concert with our fearless leader, the anointed one taking the reins for eliminating all guns from our country, they are in lock step to horrify the populace at every turn. Another front in this fight is the current "If we could only stop the "tidal wave" of guns from the United States from getting into Mexico..." Yea, that's the problem in Mexico, to many guns from the USA... Give me a break! It couldn't possibly be the enormous mountains of money being made by the drug cartels... Couldn't be greed, it must be the influx of guns from the united states. As if the cartels aren't the ones shipping the guns to Mexico in their empty drug trucks coming back home from a run? It would all go away if "we" would only curb our insatiable apatite for drugs and quit sending guns to Mexico - I knew it was "our" fault!!!

[EarthMama]

Hi Earthmama - I agree it is so hard to understand this and it does seem so prevalent and well...makes you wonder what the heck is going on with people nowadays? *Is it just that the new coverage is heightened? *
Solution? *Well I don't know that we or anyone can fix it. *Not reading news sites - I suppose you could just read the weather and business or politics.
It does make me wonder though - can these things be prevented? *do the people that know the offenders have hints that something was amiss? *I dont know - as a mom I can't imagine one of your kids doing something like this - that's a whole other philosophical dicussion I guess.
Well I don't think I gave you any concrete answers but * my .02 anyway

Thanks rockymtngirl. It helps just to know that someone else finds this whole thing disturbing too. :'(

[EarthMama]

IMO if you're going to kill somebody try and make a difference in a positive way instead of a negative.

Now WHAT is this supposed to mean?


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[EarthMama]

Peace,

Speaking personally EarthMama, consider your "news" sources period.


333

I don't think the news source much matters, does it? I mean, whatever happens happens. People are killing other people and the source that reports it really isn't the issue for me. The stories I quoted (and there are so many others that I haven't mentioned) were reported on news sources all over the world. I guess the only way to avoid it would be to stop reading the news, eh? ???

[EarthMama]

Also don't forget that the drive-by media is going to give "ink" to anything that happens with any kind of firearm, anytime, anyplace.

The brother who killed his sisters used a knife.

[harvester]

I don't know about anybody else but I'm getting doggone *unnerved* by all the murders and killings going on in our world today. * :-[
its more than just today, these things go on always and have always gone on, its just that the news seems to only want to print the nasty stuff and never any good news. media seeks out disturbing things in order to make ratings. The more shocking the news, the more it will stick with you.

Just today I read about a 23 year old boy that killed his 5 year old sister and his 17 year old sister... and was trying to kill his 9 year old sister... on his 5 year old sister's birthday, of all things. *I mean, the friggin' candles were still in her birthday cake and the whole bit. *The dude used a butcher knife. *The cops who responded to the call had to have extensive counseling after the thing. *The poor mother of the kids, who had just returned home from work to find all the yellow police tape around her house, fainted when she found out what happened.
well i think that kinda speaks for its self huh? Mom couldnt have postponed the b-day untill a weekend when she didnt work? And who is doing the raising of these children? mom or the 23 yr old? How long has this 23 yr old been in charge of his younger siblings?
Parrenting is the key to these kids snapping. If you dont take charge of your own children as a parrent, expect bad things to happen.

Also, today, I read about a guy that killed a bunch of elderly people, plus a nurse, at a nursing home. *The average age of the patients killed were 78-98 years old. *I mean... why pick on the elderly, for cripes sake??!!

well was he also a patient? if not maybe he should be a patient in a mental hospital.

What's the deal here? *This is really bothering me. *What's the solution... just quit reading the news online or what? */

The deal is stress. the deal is the mass loss of jobs which in turn cause strife, divorce, suicide etc.
It will only get worse before it gets better.
the solution? there is none, it would help to elect a better president in the future, it would help if parrents understood the meaning of the word parrent. It would help if people watched their friends and tried to stop what is the enevitable when they see someone becomming explosive.
But, sadly in todays society its easier to look away, not become involved, let your kids learn on their own from the school of hard knocks, ignore what is happening in your comunity, thinking it will someday all go away and in the meantime it will never effect you if you just simply keep yourself locked away on your own humble acre.
There is no solution and never will be if people continue to think like this.

[333]

Peace,

I believe most folks wouldn't know what a moral imperative is, heck I didn't until I decided to read up and go back to school later in life, kids today would have no clue, in fact, they are led to believe if you are smart and do well in school your a GEEK OR NERD or what ever, they are inundated with the idiot box, telling them what to wear and how to act, even how to get such extreme attention.

Hitler created kindergarten specifically to indoctrinate germany's youth, taking away, from their parents, some of the most critical years for children, it is the same here today, only the years are sooner with day care, pre K, and right up into high school. When both folks, if they have both, have to work to pay all those wonderful bills attached to our pseudo freedom.

With out the ability to critically assess through logic and truth it is no wonder our teens are tormented beyond repair, the absolute hippocracy they see in life today is far worse then years gone by.


IMHO

333

[FZRaven]

You just see more of it on the news now days, it's really not any higher then in the 60's.

In 1960 the murder rate per 100,000 was 5.1
In 2007 the murder rate per 100,000 was 5.6

The average from 1960-69 is 5.51
The average from 1970-79 is 8.26
The average from 1980-89 is 8.73
The average from 1990-99 is 8.14
The average from 2000-07 is 5.6

Feel free to do the calculations your self, The figures I used (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm)

[EarthMama]

well i think that kinda speaks for its self huh? Mom couldnt have postponed the b-day untill a weekend when she didnt work? And who is doing the raising of these children? mom or the 23 yr old? How long has this 23 yr old been in charge of his younger siblings?
Parrenting is the key to these kids snapping. If you dont take charge of your own children as a parrent, expect bad things to happen.
well was he also a patient? if not maybe he should be a patient in a mental hospital.


*sigh* As always, it's the mother's fault. :-/ This incident did happen on a weekend, when the poor woman had to work... and the mother was indeed doing "the raising" of the children but unfortunately she has to work outside the home as well. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. It's just the way things are today.

The 17 year old daughter was in charge of the household, and the younger children, while her mama was working. Nothing wrong with that either, IMO. My 82 year old mother-in-law speaks often of how she and her older sisters were in charge of the household & their siblings... and the farm & its chores... while both her parents were forced to go into the city to find work because the farm was going under. That was back in the 1930s-40s. So siblings taking care of each other has been around for a long time too. It doesn't mean that the mother is "not taking charge" of her children.

This 23 year old boy did not live in the home. He came there and barged in... and did his dirty deeds. The 17 year old daughter in charge was getting the house ready for the party, for when her mama got off work. She died protecting her siblings.

To blame this whole thing on the mother is... well... not very right, if you ask me. :'( Far too often, in this country, victims are blamed and perpetrators are not.

[wax]

FZRAVEN has hit the nail on the head but this is one of my favorite subjects and provides me with no end of delight!

Man hasn't changed in 40,000 years.
Man is a predator and his design requires that he kills for gain whether he picks up his package of meat in a sanitary grocery store or gorges himself on a still breathing enemy child who didn't have a strong enough parent to prevent such a thing.

Society has always been a false construct and most men now "kill" by bringing home numbers that represent scraps of paper which represent gold but has not really been worth gold since 1933!
He still knows what is 'his' and he still understands the concept of Us verses Them.

Every generation that has ever lived has declared that the last one (the one in which they were born) was better in some way.
They do this today but they did this in the 30's while Clyde Barrow blew off the heads of bank managers and ripped up mortgage papers because that was them and not us!
They did it while very stupid Rebs decided to rob a bank in Minnesota and found out that rifles and shotguns are a hard thing to deal with on a closed street but they were them and not us.
People are funny of course when it comes to false constructs because unless they are truly delusional they know secretely that the construct is indeed false and they allow idiocy because of this... and they pretend.

Man has never been safe from man.

[Cutter]

It doesn't do any good to ignore the news. People need to be aware of whats going on around them. They also need to be prepared to defend themselves and their families and not depend on the police because they can't always be where they are needed. I'd rather deal with killing someone than dealing with burying my family.

[Laura]

Anybody else feel this way? I didn't put this in the "religious" folder because I just don't feel like hearing people say "get on your knees and pray and everything will be alright" type stuff. It's not that I'm against praying but... well... it's hard for me to explain.

I can explain, but it would require Scripture :-)
But I sure could explain a lot!!

Laura

[backlash]

24 hour news channels have to fill the time somehow.
The internet news sites need fresh stories to keep people coming back.
Sensational stories get more attention than the boring feel good fluff.
Today we hear about the killings and other bad things from all over the world.
We used to only hear about the things that happen locally.