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Peace Humans,
Lets experiment with the greatest philosophical query ,
The Human Condition, life, defined.
;D ;D ;D
Lets us suppose ,that which we call life ,is the culmination of that which we experience,
(Aposteriore)[sensory perception], interpreted by that which we think,
(Apriore)[sensory interpretation]... then logic "warrants"the existence of a (Spirit)[principles], that which we think about what we feel, ergo, Philosophy, wisdom, enlightenment, evolution, resolution.
METAPHYSICS,
In other words, One experiences,............ {sight....., sound,... smell...,taste...,touch.} ergo [I AM.]...PHYSICAL REALITY,
EPISTEMOLOGY
Then One thinks about said experience...{emotions..., desires..., dislikes..., content..., discontent...interpretation...,[I THINK, ERGO, I AM.]...KNOWLEDGE
AXIOLOGY
One thinks about , that which one thinks, about ones experience,.....That is to say, one places values, on ones interpretation, of ones experience...{ethics..., morality..., virtues..., aesthetics...,} [ I AM, ERGO, I THINK, HENCE, I BELIEVE.]...FREE WILL
LOGIC
One reasons, supports ones beliefs, on ones interpretations, of ones experiences, based in method and logic,...{truth...,fallacy...,creation..., destruction...,} [I AM, ERGO, I THINK, HENCE, I BELIEVE, I AM]... LIFE
I AM,... I THINK,... I BELIEVE,...I AM...I AM I THINK,.. I BELIEVE,... I AM..., I AM I THINK I BELIEVE..., I AM..., I AM I THINK I BELIEVE I AM,
THE INTERPRETATION OF LIFE IS ALL ABOUT PUNCTUATION
;D ;D ;D
Peace Humans
New theories in physics suggest that on a subatomic level, everything in the universe breaks down to energy.
You are nothing more than a blip on "Gods" computer screen.
You are not real, you do not exist.
Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you.
New theories in physics suggest that on a subatomic level, everything in the universe breaks down to energy.
You are nothing more than a blip on "Gods" computer screen.
You are not real, you do not exist.
Sorry to have to be the one to break it to you.
Peace,
Well, thats, why they are called "theories/ beliefs" they are based in supposition with a little empirical evidence. Yes considering that the atomic mass of say the "chair "you sit in right now is 80 something % "empty" space, it would behoove one to wonder what makes up that other 80%??? Actually I believe these experiments were carried out at the particle accelerator in Switzerland a few years ago, their findings do support a "something from nothing" in the dark matter or empty space. Something from nothing does put a damper on the singularity or causality arguments, but then again those are the most supportive arguments for the existence of the first cause,.."god"
I believe they had some other interesting results concerning the speed of light, Along the lines of separating matter , then influencing one half of that matter, and observing instantaneous correspondence or reaction of the other half, now for this to occur it would have to be faster then the speed of light, say the speed of thought.
Truly I am not an expert and my rendition may be skewed , but the report still stands as I understand it.
The fact that I can think that I am not ,justifies that I am.
Peace
I think the something from nothing argument was one of the biggest against creation.
Proving that we could get something from nothing actually helped the creation camp.
Although, I have to wonder why we think that just because we can't get something from nothing that means God can't either. We are arrogant.
Some of these same theories point to the interconnectedness of everything. Someone on this forum once referred to God as "all that is".
This has always been my stance, God took the only thing he had at the time, which was himself, call it what you will, I recently heard someone call it pure energy, and made all that is. Everything that is came from God, and I don't just mean he made it, I mean he put his very being into it.
I think this is where spirituality comes from. The basic building blocks of the human body are as old as creation. I believe these building blocks know, on a level that we can't understand, where they come from, there is a memory of sorts imprinted on them. I believe some people have touched that at varying levels. I believe God is quite literally inside each and every one of us, in all things, in all places. omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.
I believe given time, science will prove the existence of God, but then I have never been one that saw where the two were incompatible.
Peace,
Spiritual arrogance is running rampant, this is true, hence yes all my life experience tells me there is an "All that IS" ,I would hesitate twice before giving "All That Is" any, any human qualities. Humans that are fortunate or unfortunate enough, get demonstrations of "all that is" hence some self affirmation of such an existence. That is to say , at our most desperate hours we call out to "All That Is", and during our most intimate moments we do the same. What makes humans "unique" I believe is that we have our "certainties" and our "doubts", this is in line with the order of desires and volitions, that certifies a "free will". I wish all your posts were as peaceable and objective as this one.
Peace
I would hesitate twice before giving "All That Is" any, any human qualities.
And this is one of my problems with religion. "God" is a little too much like man to me... petty
I'm curious, do you believe that "all that is" had a conscious purpose in creation? Intelligent Design.
I love the discussions. I don't want to be educated, I don't want to be told what to think, or how to think. Due to the nature of this forum, you'll find most of the people here are like that.
I "fight" with "Christians" when they try to tell me what to believe. I guess I have a problem with you doing it too.
Tell me what you believe and why, I'll tell you what I believe and why. Then, we can have a discussion.
And this is one of my problems with religion. "God" is a little too much like man to me... petty
I'm curious, do you believe that "all that is" had a conscious purpose in creation? Intelligent Design.
I love the discussions. I don't want to be educated, I don't want to be told what to think, or how to think. Due to the nature of this forum, you'll find most of the people here are like that.
I "fight" with "Christians" when they try to tell me what to believe. I guess I have a problem with you doing it too.
Tell me what you believe and why, I'll tell you what I believe and why. Then, we can have a discussion.
Peace,
You see it is most definitely not my goal to dictate what one should or should not believe or think. That is the individuals perspective choice. One must separate ones own beliefs, when discussing philosophical methods. I have no desire to "tell" anyone if the "bear shits in the buckwheat or not". Still the lack of "objective" "critical thinking" and intolerance on this site degrades my hope for peace in our time. Hence I attempt to bring to light how that thought process is perceived in a rational explanation.
That aside the "Paley's" design argument does not appeal to me, watch is to watch maker, it is teleological, to attempt to derive the existence of "god" from the design or purpose of things. Invariably the argument fails because who designed the designer. Then there is the omnipotent side to the argument, if their is purpose, to the design. then the designer has a goal in creating his design, if "god" needs to create the universe to achieve his/her goals then "god" is not omnipotent ergo the universe ca not have been create by an omnipotent being.
This is why I am adamant about keeping "my" personal beliefs ,whether its politics or spirituality , just that personal private, I have my inclinations, suspicions and conclusions , my own personal experiences and revelations. In the other threads I have no choice but to restrain, reserve them on this one however, it is a thought experiment, so there is no need for "proof" to ones beliefs , just the "hat " in the ring so to speak.
Having said these things, I would tend to believe, that there is an (constrained by humanities current ability to comprehend) "All that is" and that "unexplainable" "entity"
may be found in the "nano" realm, as simply nothing more then a "life force" or energy faster then the speed of light. "All that is" in human or any other form has the ability to create or destroy. Free will at its zenith, this of course would mean that there is no such thing as evil or good, only creation /destruction, eternal. But it does put new perspective power to the human condition, we will be what we choose freely to create, or we will not be ,because we chose freely to destroy.
Peace
I have no problem sharing my beliefs. Understand I said beliefs. I am not trying to convince you, only sharing so that you can understand what I believe.
who designed the designer
Some of this is out there I realize and not the easiest for me to put into words so bear with me.
Is the universe capable of consciousness? Is it capable of thought? Is the energy in the universe, the energy that created the universe, capable of conscious thought? A better question, if it was is man capable of understanding such a thing.
I recently saw an episode of mythbusters where they hooked up some scientific equipment to get readings from some plants. I'm sorry to say I wasn't interested enough in time to pay close enough attention, but their claim at the end of the show was that they had simply thought at this plant, not spoke, not moved but thought while standing in another room, viewing the plant through a glass pane, and it changed the readings they got from the plant. Are they scientists? Definitely not! Does it prove anything? No! But it does suggest that this plant reacted to the mans thoughts, and a reaction means a consciousness of sorts, even if we don't understand it. There have been societies that thought this was true.
So the question is, could the energy in the universe, over time incalculable take on a form of consciousness. It's a very meaningless question I realize, just my idea of the birth of God.
And remember, we have already proven that something can come from nothing.
Then there is the omnipotent side to the argument, if their is purpose, to the design. then the designer has a goal in creating his design, if "god" needs to create the universe to achieve his/her goals then "god" is not omnipotent ergo the universe ca not have been create by an omnipotent being.
I find this argument to be flawed.
All God has to do to be omnipotent, is be able to do anything he could want to. If he takes different steps to get there or takes more time than man thinks he should then he isn't omnipotent? Why isn't the finished result enough to show his omnipotence?
This is like the Christians argument against evolution. The Bible says God took dust from the ground and formed man. So we can't have evolved.
I say that man was the finished product, that everything that was made on this planet was made from the dust of the ground leading up to the creation of man, that it doesn't matter the steps God took to get us here, or how long, another common argument, 7 days and all. All that matters is that HE did, in my opinion.
Is the universe capable of consciousness? Is it capable of thought? Is the energy in the universe, the energy that created the universe, capable of conscious thought? A better question, if it was is man capable of understanding such a thing.
Peace,
THESE ARE AWESOME QUESTIONS, THIS IS WHY I LOVE PHILOSOPHY. perhaps though, it would be easier if we addressed them one at a time.
I am a little "old school" if you will, indulge me as to how one can utilize the little gray quote boxes, to separate, in reply rather then the entire post.
Peace
"All God has to do to be omnipotent, is be able to do anything he could want to. If he takes different steps to get there or takes more time than man thinks he should then he isn't omnipotent? Why isn't the finished result enough to show his omnipotence?"
It is called the law of non contradiction,
The principle that nothing can both have and lack a property at the same time and same respect.- Socrates
Omnipotent is just that, all powerful, it is contradictory to say that "all powerful" needs anything to accomplish something, All powerful would just create the "finished" product.
Now on the other hand if omnipotent chooses to take "steps" for some other purpose, freely (as would be all power fulls prerogative) , it would be assumed that there was something to learn or gain, ergo a lack of knowledge or omniscience ....damn another contradiction, because the "Western" theological definition of god is...
MAD FUN RIGHT
Peace
"So the question is, could the energy in the universe, over time incalculable take on a form of consciousness. It's a very meaningless question I realize, just my idea of the birth of God."
dont mind the font experiment, please
Peace,
It has, technically, in you, if the prerequisite for consciousness is the possession of a mind, the energy of the multi-verse, has manifested in physical form that which "you" call "yourself".
Now the prerequisite possession of a "brain" being necessary for the possession of a "mind" is certainly another good query. Can pure energy be self aware?
"Energy" does manifest physically, we are living proof,no? Yet still, is it a necessary requirement for consciousness?
Ergo the existence of a "soul/spirit" ? Let me see what those old dusty books have to say, on the mind /body problems.
Editors note, I am inclined to think "pure energy consciousness" and the "power of thought" are plausible.
Peace
Thank you for your reply, excellent points that are so simple and still escaped me. Energy can have thought, because it does in me! Great!
To help you with the formatting of your post a little; I see you hit the font button. Notice how it put at the end of your paragraph. I don't understand why it does it like this, but it always puts the code at the end. What you have to do is put the first set of brackets, and everything inside it, in front of what you are trying to change, and the last set of brackets behind it.
Like this
To put things in a quote box you do the same thing but use
Like this
You always have to have an opening and a closing argument, the closing argument is represented by the /.
Hope this helps,
Dave
OK,
If energy can have a consciousness, wouldn't that bring the term "all that is" into perspective. Considering that according to string theory everything in the universe is made up of energy.
The Gospel according to Thomas says the following;
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
I'll concede the omnipotence argument. I honestly don't buy that one either, on the grand scale. However, I believe from man's perspective God would be both omnipotent and omniscient, both all powerful and all knowing. And I believe our fate is directly related to God. Making it both our alpha and omega, our beginning and end. The Holy books were written for man, from man's perspective, and ancient man at that.
I haven't really read a lot on intelligent design, and didn't even know who coined the phrase until you said it above. I knew it was an argument to attempt to keep the creation story in schools, and quickly adopted the phrase to cover my own beliefs. Which are primarily that Science is right about how a great many things happened, such as the Big Bang, the forming of the Earth, evolution. I just think they get the why wrong. I don't believe the human body happened because of any chain of random events. I believe it was designed by an intelligence and power that we can't begin to comprehend.
If energy can have a consciousness, wouldn't that bring the term "all that is" into perspective. Considering that according to string theory everything in the universe is made up of energy.
Peace,
Energy with consciousness, most certainly does imho focus the beam of understanding "all that is", We are "all that is"
manifest in 3 dimensional form, we do have the ability to behave like "gods" if we choose.
[quote] Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.[quote/]
" I say to you ,if a man had faith the size of a mustard seed, he could tell that mountain to get up and move and it would obey---this and far more greater things are you capable of " (as close as memory allows)
"The tao that can be told of,
Is not the absolute tao,
The names that can be given are not the absolute names.
The nameless is the origin of heaven and earth,
the named is the mother of all things...
Humans model themselves on earth, Earth on heaven, Heaven on the way, and the way on that which is naturally so." -Lao Tzu
We are what we choose to create, and when we redefine and transcend our old beliefs, the new natural evolution of energy consciousness or "the power of thought" will be evident. It what we are forced to accept that is hindering our transcendence. It is naturally so"string theory and energy consciousness" that we are literally "all that is" manifest in the flesh, its i when we redefine the beliefs as to the purpose of "flesh" that we will see some serious changes--"miracles, divine power, comprehension etc"
Peace
No my friend look,
You have put the / after the word quote, it must go before it.
I'll try to address this post later, I was checking for replies, but can't devote the time a response would deserve.
Peace,
Dave
I'll try to address this post later, I was checking for replies, but can't devote the time a response would deserve.
Peace,
"philo" love, "sophia"wisdom
Peace
Peace,
The purpose of life, If, there is a "purpose", means many different things to many different people, generally these beliefs that people hold are based on what is philosophically called, cultural relativism. That is to say that a person is, to most extents, a product of their environment or culture. Until however they choose to transcend said subjective environment by building upon its foundations and creating themselves a new perspective of life.
Most people do this consciously or unconsciously throughout their lives. They may freely choose a new path, or by choices they have made, a new path thrust upon them.
I AM I THINK I BELIEVE I AM
peace
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