More Meat For The Freezer

[DM]

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*We have "lots" of wild turkeys around here, may as well eat a few... * ;D

*DM

[DM]

Hi Deb,

It's called a "drilling" and it was made in Germany in 1935 by Krieghoff.... ("drilling" means 3 bbls) It's been my main hunting gun since about 1980 and it's put ton's of meat in my freezer over those years... I'm not kidding... i really do mean tons! I've harvested moose, deer, bear and all kinds of other "meat" with it..

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I use the rifle bbl for big game, and the shot bbls for turkeys and other bird hunting... I have lots of accessories for it too, depending on what i'm doing with it...

So, what rifles did you buy?? Are you going hunting??

DM

[hunter63]

Who did your choke tubes?

[DM]

hunter,

I had the choke tubes "made" and installed at a machine shop called "Precision" in Tahlequah, Ok.. It's the only place i found that "i believed" could actually do the work, and that i trusted to do it "properly"...

That was long ago, i don't even know if they are still in business, but the work they did for me was "excelent" and at a fair price..

I bought this drilling from a guy that i know that took it out of a castle near the end of WW2... He was on detail doing a "sweep" looking for german soldiers that were hideing, when he found it... He brought it back to the states, and it lay in a barn in the mountains of California, for most of the following years untill i bought it from him...

I've rebuilt this whole gun since i bought it, as it looked pretty rough when i got it... Here's a pict of it with it's rim fire "insert" in place, turning it essentially into a "bockdrilling".

DM

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[hunter63]

Very nice piece!
I would not have had to "guts" to try drilling out for the choke tubes, so the guy has to be good!

Seen a couple of those around and am always impressed.

Congratulations on the turkey also.
I got two w/ one shot this year.

[ArmySGT.]

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[fishinhunter]

Well that is an amazing gun ....but what about the cost? I have my hunting guns but wondered about cost for someone who doesnt have a big income.

[ozarksnick]

Well that is an amazing gun ....but what about the cost? I have my hunting guns but wondered about cost for someone who doesnt have a big income.

A single shot 12 or 20 gauge NEF shotgun is less than $100 brand new at WalFarts.

Either will hunt just about any game animal in North America just fine if used responsibly.

[DM]

Well that is an amazing gun ....but what about the cost? I have my hunting guns but wondered about cost for someone who doesnt have a big income.

I don't have a big income, and really never have... What i did have is the determination to give up "other things" and use "that" $$ to rebuild this drilling into the gun i knew i'd be hunting with for the rest of my life!

I have less into this gun then many others on this board have into what they say they own... Those AK type weapons aren't cheap!

DM

[jjspirko]

DM,

What is the rifle barrel on that Drilling? 8MM?

Jack

[DM]

*Jack,

*Yes, the rifle bbl is 8mm, the .323" version and that's a "good" thing, as thats the size 8mm bullets are swaged to these days... *The cartridge is an 8x57JRS, and it's really nothing more than a rimmed 8x57 Mauser.

*I handload 200 grain Nosler partitions to 2,550 fps for my "one load for everything" in this gun, and it's been an excelent bullet choise for me... I've flattened everything i've had in my sights with that load...big and small!!

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*DM

[jjspirko]

That is an awesome round and load for it, in fact it fits what I call the "magic formula" something lost on all the magnumitus junkies! ::)

At every caliber there is an OLD magic round with almost a cult following,

The Swede in 6.5 x 55 with 140 grain bullets
The 270 with 150 Grain Bullets
The 7 Mauser with 160-175 Grain Bullets
The 30s - The 08, the 06 and the 300 Savage with 180-190 grain bullets
The 8 Mauser with your 200s (you just have the rimmed version for use in a break action)
The 338-O6 with 225 Grain Bullets
The 35 Whelan with 250s
The 9.3 x 74 R with 270-290 Grain Bullets (I had a drilling of my own in this caliber with 20 gauge barrels above it)
The 375 H&H with 300 Grain Bullets

What do all these "magic rounds" have in common? Well each has killed far larger game CONSISTENTLY then paper ballistics would indicate. Consider the 6.5 Swede has killed more moose then any other round on the planet and it is the baby of the bunch.

None of them kick too bad and therefore can easily be handled by most adults and even most well coached kids. Honestly up to the 35 most teens can learn to shoot them all pretty easy.

Their effectiveness has created cult followings for all of them and their similar rounds like the 260 Remington and 280 Remington for example.

So what is it that makes them really hit the sweet spot, for me it is a sectional density of .270-.290 and a Muzzle Velocity of about 2400-2600 FPS. Rather then blowing the hell out of meat they deliver the right balance of shock and power with out over doing it. They do not over expand and blow a hole in your good shoulder roasts! The moderate velocity and high SD are the key.

Consider taking a pump up pellet gun, pump it 10 times and shoot a can and it goes right though = no shock. Pump it 1 time and it knocks the can down and does not penetrate = to weak. Pump it about 4 times and it knocks the can over and rips a ragged hole in the can even though there is zero expansion. That is the "sweet spot" for a pellet.

To me your round and others that mimic those numbers are at if for centerfire rifles. Only the desire to sell more and new guns has created 300 Magnums and such. A man can take on the world with one or two of the rounds listed above.

[DM]

The Swede in 6.5 x 55 with 140 grain bullets
The 270 with 150 Grain Bullets
The 7 Mauser with 160-175 Grain Bullets
The 30s - The 08, the 06 and the 300 Savage with 180-190 grain bullets
The 8 Mauser with your 200s (you just have the rimmed version for use in a break action)
The 338-O6 with 225 Grain Bullets
The 35 Whelan with 250s
The 9.3 x 74 R with 270-290 Grain Bullets (I had a drilling of my own in this caliber with 20 gauge barrels above it)
The 375 H&H with 300 Grain Bullets

I do believe i've harvested huge amounts of big game with every cartridge you mentioned except the 6.5x55 and i did harvest one brown bear with the .264 Win. Mag. so i've used a 6.5 quite a bit too...

First of all, i do agree with you on a lot of what you said, but the real reason those moderate V (velocity) cartridges work so well is because that's an ideal V for the bullet to perform at it's best... Put a bullet in a magnum that performs "properly" and it does even better... The problem is, it gets harder and harder to get a bullet to work "perfectly" as the V goes up...

I use to design and mfg. bonded core bullets for retail sales by mail order and through my own shop, long before everyone got on the band wagon like they are today... I know what works and what doesn't, and i still prefer the NP (Nosler Partition) bullets over all others... They have a "wider" V spread that they will perform "properly" in, than any other bullet made today... John Nosler really had the right idea when he designed the partition bullet!!

I don't have anything against the magnums made today, (except i don't like recoil) they do many things better than the older cartridges. You just have to be smart enough to properly load them to make use of the extra V they have...

Here's my .338-06 that i drug all over Alaska harvesting all kinds of big game.... I build it as my "crawl in the alders" big bear rifle... I like 275 Speers and 250 NP's best in it... The 275 Speers really work well for big bears at .338-06 V's!!!

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