FEMA and SHTF scenarios

[STORM_SHADOW]

I think this would be a good thread to post all scenarios people could possibly imagine. *In this fashion I'm hoping we find the weakest links in our own strategy to prepardness and survival and make them stronger. *Think tanks do this daily for a living. *How about we do our own think tank.
If you highjack the thread..it's ok... everybody has something important to add regardless of how rediculous it may SEEM.
I was in both the Navy and Army Res and as far back as 1980 I heard all the conspiracies and thought they were nuts... new world order, socialism in America etc.. now those nuts are saying "Told ya so". *

In a thread Silvergramma brings up BOH (Bug Out Horses) *great idea to think about.

Ok let's start it out. *My first scenario posted and we can talk about that scenario or keep adding new scenarios.

First Scenario:

SHTF Across the USA:
Could be any reason that could invoke Martial Law. *Borders closed, FEMA shuts down highway transportation, Constitution suspended or seems as though etc. *(in NO during Katrina, Black Water was there and so were the military taking away everybody's weapons, everyyyyyybody's weapons) *The Gov't bringing military in acting as police or the private Mercs like Black Water... scary to me esp with my military exp.

Anyway, you have to have an alternate route to your property if you were near the city when it hit or you're at your property and need to BO for a bit and come back later to your property when you think it's already been checked by..hmmm I don't know... officials?

[STORM_SHADOW]

Here's one I remember from years ago. The suggestion was:
Everytime you go into a Walmart for whatever, buy one box of 12g shotgun shells 00Buck and one brick of .22 cal bullets; they are cheap.
But in a SHTF scenario, .22 are better than money. You can hunt small game with them, protection, and trade for food and supplies with .22's.

Second: Have a very good pellet gun to hunt small game with and perhaps a Compound Bow. That way you won't give away your position when hunting small game.

Third: Consider buying a black powder rifle, and pistol and have your own stored black powder and lead. Technology has come far on them, they are more accurate than their originals.

[CanNerd]

If this false pandemic scare is any evidence of what people are going to do when the real SHTF happens, I think the dominant purchase right now should be Depends because there will be an immediate and lots of pooping in the pants. ;D

[STORM_SHADOW]

hahahahahaha! :D

No kidding. Remember Katrina? The lawlessness? looting, people turning on each other. I wish I could look at the world like Obama where everybody wants to be understood and get along (cuba, Chavez, Pres of Iran Imadorkwad) it's not reality. People will try to take your stuff. You know that old saying "only the strong will survive"? I would think it's "only the smart will" the aggressive will be met with aggression. They will cancel each other out.

[Kelleysvt]

I like the advice given recently "never waste a good crisis" - this swine flu thing give me an opportunity to run through my preps and see where I'm weak. I always treat these events like fire alarms - 99% of the time it's not accurate but when it turns out to be correct I want to be ready.

We have made no real plans to leave our property in that sort of situation unless the gov't forced us to leave - because we have 4 kids it'd be hard to pack up and go with that many people/and we have enough preps to make it here for a while. We recently started discussing caching some items nearby - particularly guns/ammo since we saw what happened after Katnrina (DH was deployed just outside the city - so he's seen it first-hand).

If we have to leave we have a 24 hour kit and individual 'emergency bags' (I don't call them bug-out-bags because they're not lightweight enough to carry too far as they stand right now). We have a BOL not too far out of state but I worry that it could be affected by a disaster too as it's only 2 hours from here by car, on the interstate, on a good day. I haven't considered how we'd get there if we couldn't drive it. I've also started to wonder recently if another family member might be considering it as a BOL as it's owned by our extended family.
We live in a rural area with lots of wooded area around us as well as a state park about 10 miles away. Guess we should look into places we could set up camp.

These are the thoughts that wake me up at night - we're SOOOO not ready for a major SHTF situation...

[STORM_SHADOW]

Kelly reminds us all that we need to constantly think about our own future and what to do... boyscouts and girlscouts: Always be prepared... thanks Kelly.

But on another note..when Hillary, Obama, and others say "don't waste a good crisis" the way they mean it scares me... the way they meant it was bigger Gov't and more intrusive on state's rights.

Gave me goose bumps!

[pcrowder]

It meant to me that they will "manufacture" a crisis if need be, to push their agendas through.

[rantinraven]

Pc I agree with you! That's EXACTLY how I interpreted the meaning of the sentence. At this point I don't don't believe anyone is above doing ANYTHING. We can't decide if we should BO or BI. We are familiar with the national forests here and its river ways. Rafting for us is a past time so we could move without being seen if it came to that. There's just so many of us :(.\

Kelly I share your fears, and frustrations. I pray for us all as I can't imagine anymore what will happen as reality is becoming scarier than anything I had ever dreamed of.

[Kelleysvt]

Oh - I interpreted it the same way but decided to 'use what they intended for evil for good' by putting it to work for me rather than scaring the bejezus out of everyone. Their intent is just the opposite of ours - they want to make us more dependent on them so we won't question when they start to round us up in 'safe camps' to 'protect us' ...

On a funny note - some of you may laugh but DH took me for my first ATV ride last night. That's going to take some getting used to! I thought the stupid thing was going to tip over!!

[rAcErRicK]

Oh - I interpreted it the same way but decided to 'use what they intended for evil for good' by putting it to work for me rather than scaring the bejezus out of everyone. *Their intent is just the opposite of ours - they want to make us more dependent on them so we won't question when they start to round us up in 'safe camps' to 'protect us' ...

On a funny note - some of you may laugh but DH took me for my first ATV ride last night. *That's going to take some getting used to! * I thought the stupid thing was going to tip over!!

And they do Kelley, (tip over) but the trick is to learn just how far you can go before it happens. A big help is to widen your buggy out with wheel spacers, and/or wider tires. I'm 6" wider than stock and it really makes a difference. They are a great BOV and will go just about anywhere very economically. *:D

I have a thread on the transportation board showing some of them racing, which will help you learn just how nimble they can be. Of course you folks prolly won't be doing that, but a visual is worth a thousand words.

[Funmommy]

A couple scenarios that I think about is:

1.) If Yellowstone Blows. (shivers) If that goes (and it's overdue to and showing some signs) then we're looking at a major change in how the USA looks. We'd also be looking at a mini ice age for at least 2 years (I think) and for it to effect the world in one way or another.

2.) I live on the east coast and (supposedly) there is a dormant volcano across the ocean that has half of it sliding down the side. If/when that half finally lets go and crashes into the ocean it's going to create a mega Tsunami which they figure will wipe out the entire east coast below a certain level. I don't remember what height they figured it would get to but even New York would be affected.

3.) The idiots overseas letting one of the big ones loose on the USA. I wouldn't even know where to start on that one.

Al I know is that (for me) I've been having this urge to "get ready". I'm not sure for what though so I'm taking it one day at a time and doing what I can. It's really hard with young kids though.

I don't know maybe it's because of the economy, or the fact that I've been watching the history channel too much lately. *;)
If i turn it off do you think I can go back to being oblivious? *::)

[CanNerd]

1) 'When' the Yellowstone Caldera blows it is said it will take about 11 states with it from the force of the blast and debri coming down. *The National Park won't talk about it because they don't want to scare the tourists. *Tourists have apparently died however because some areas are becoming unstable. *Sophisticated equipment and websites are tracking the movements.

2) The trailer on the movie "2012" (to be released now in November) gives a good idea of the size of the Tsunami that will wipe out New York City and other locations. *Also one prophesied for the Northwestern area. *Glacier melting would not cause such a thing.

Watch the Trailer (http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/)

3) Prophecy and other predictions of the annihilation of the US by nuclear destruction in the near future. *Also lots of history records/comments that such would not be allowed and would be stopped, as it as been stopped in the past when attempted by other countries. *What will be true? *We can only wait and see.....and try to be survivors. *

All far out and through my recent years of research I've wished I wasn't a nerd for facts and could just bury my head, but........

[Southerngirl]

Well, watched the "Watch the Trailer" link, if that happens, not much any of us can do if we're in the path, but be right with yourselves in this world.
As far as the government "manufacturing" their own crisis, I believe 100%. They want to make us weak to "protect us" their way.
I forgot what the movie was, saw it years ago and really "got" me. East and west coast was gone, from disasters. A "ice age" if you want to call it that happened all over the US and everyone headed as far south as they could, but so many people didn't make it. Does anyone remember this movie? Was in the late 90's I think.
So many possibilities, we can all do our best. At least we are trying.

[Kelleysvt]

I don't trouble myself too much with the 'how's' of SHTF scenarios because they are many and varied, unpredictable (for the most part), and completely unavoidable in many cases. All we can do is learn to take care of ourselves as best as possible. I'm not saying that we shouldn't inform ourselves of the various possibilities, just that we shouldn't linger on them
I'm VERY Christian - so I have total faith that everything will come off as God plans. MY place is to make ready for whatever may come.
I also don't want to get overwhelmed by it all so I take it one crisis at a time. We started preparing for the everyday stuff, moved up to the frequent stuff, and we're now working on the infrequent. I'm nowhere near ready for a cataclysmic event - so I keep it on my radar (at the back of my mind) but I don't obsess about it.

[Michael32170]

It meant to me that they will "manufacture" a crisis if need be, to push their agendas through.

Sure wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

[Michael32170]

Political SHTF; you should be able to see them coming. You may have a few false starts. Most likely, even nuclear might be somewhat predictable.

Natural SHTF may be less predictable. You should still be getting some warning.

Each location has to be evaluated based on the amount of warning you can reasonably expect. Including where you plan to go.

I'd suggest more detailed planning than the typical self reliant person would do.

Personally, I have a planning excel sheet that covers all the factors I think are important. It's not perfect, and it's a little complex. It works for me. I really came in handy in avoiding accumulation of excessive stuff. I was able to utilize existing assets for alternate uses.

Years ago, my sheet was downloadable from survivalforum, now appears to be defunct.

[Eranice]

I forgot what the movie was, saw it years ago and really "got" me.

That movie is called 'The Day After Tomorrow'.

[johnjmw]

There have been a few Freeze disaster movies, the most recent that I know of (and the best) was The Day After Tomorrow with Dennis Quad And I think it is the only one where the East coast gets ?swamped? by a tidal wave. I don't know if the West coast gets it too.

[Southerngirl]

I'll look for it again, thanks been trying to think of the name for years. I know it was a long time ago when I saw it. Don't remember ALL the details, so I'll see if I can watch it again, thanks!

[STORM_SHADOW]

This thread is staying alive and well, good job friends. Todays SHTF scenario that I'm thinking about is:
Disaster Shelter. As I study disaster shelters (I plan on building one) I notice that concerning their air inlet for the filtration system is too low to the ground. If you live in any state near Yellow Stone National Park, one should consider having the air inlet several feet off the ground as the ash and dust could get deep. I would include having a stainless steel mesh around the opening to act at a primary strainer and during good times keeps the bugs out.

[CanNerd]

I would hope an adequate shelter could be built cheaper than the one allegedly built by Tom Cruise in Colorado of $10 Million and only to last one year.