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bee_pipes
09-26-2008, 09:08 AM
We’ve been slaughtering chickens this week, and have made good improvements on the process to make it run more smoothly. I’d like to hear how you folks go about it, just to see if I can pick up anything new that might make it faster or smoother.

We get the selected chickens into their cages around lunch time the day before, where they get water only and are elevated off the floor to keep them from eating litter or their own droppings. By morning the crop and a good bit of the digestive system is empty.

Before starting in the morning we make up twine leg cuffs for each chicken. It has proved to be easier and faster to make a set for each chicken to be slaughtered than take off an old pair and use them again. The cuffs are simple – a knotted loop on each end with the twine pulled through to act as slip knots on each end. We have two hooks on the tree we use, so we kill and bleed two at a time. Each chicken is pulled from the cage, fitted with leg cuffs and hung over the bucket – well into the bucket, actually, to keep down splashing and flailing.

Actual killing is done by slitting the neck on both sides, leaving the throat and windpipe intact. We used to just chop the heads off, but slitting the arteries has worked better. The chicken is already in/over the bucket and doesn’t have to be moved from the chopping block. Leaving the spine intact lets the heart pump blood and speeds up the bleeding process.

One problem we have had with this batch is broken wings, from flailing done during the dying quivers. Do any of you use killing cones? I am thinking about making a pair of these to try.

One at a time, as each chicken is bled out, the head is removed and it goes into the scalding pot. My scalding needs a little work – I seem to be keeping them in too long – or else we are a little too aggressive in plucking. We have torn the skin two or three times with this batch. I usually swirl it in the pot and count off ten seconds, then try pulling a flight feather from the win tip. If it’s too hard to pull, I repeat until it comes out reasonably easy. The scalding pot is the pot from our water bath canner. It works well, though we found it doesn't stay hot enough for 4 birds. We started using an old coleman stove to keep it hot. It would be impractical to bring it to scalding with that stove - we heat the water in the kitchen, but the coleman stove seems to keep up with heat loss from the pot being outside on a chilly morning.

When plucking, I go for the larger feathers first – flight and tail feathers. It seems like extremities cool off faster and the big feathers are tougher anyway. This breed seems to have a lot of immature feathers too. Might be because they are ready to butcher so quickly – six weeks. We have found that latex gloves work well for the entire process. When we first started doing our own chickens I noticed my hands got stained with a chicken smell from the feathers and oils. The smell would persist for a day or two and was impossible to wash off. Normally it’s not a problem unless you eat a sandwich or some other hand food, bringing your hands up to your nose. Someone gave us a box of latex gloves and we tried them – they work well. The buckets, 5 gallon plastic, are not the best for plucking. I can see a larger tub would make it easier to get more of the feathers into a container. The bucket is kind of small when plucking with both hands.

After plucking, the carcass is placed on the work table where dressing is done. The table is just an old grill a past owner made into a table. It’s pretty light weight, but has wheels and gets used for dozens of things. The table top is covered with new garbage bags for each day’s work. I use a paring knife for all the dressing – seems to be more agile/nimble than a larger knife. We use a total of three knives – one is an old fillet knife, used for slitting the neck and removing the head; the second is the paring knife for dressing, and the third is a butcher’s knife my wife used for breaking up the chickens into parts. All three are sharpened in the morning before work begins. I have been working at getting better with the liver. When we started it seemed like I had trouble getting the liver apart from the gall bladder without leaking bile all over the work area. We had two or three leakers the first day. Don’t know what bile would do to the meat, so each leak required tossing the liver and rinsing the work area and carcass. After the last 12 chickens there were no bile leaks, but a sizeable hunk of liver was getting tossed too.

Can anybody recommend a good knife sharpener? I think ours is getting worn out – has been misused in the past too. I know there are real knife enthusiasts (nuts) out here that may have recommendations, but I just want to sharpen a blade to a good edge and hone it – not make a career or art form out of it.

Any recommendations on good blades? The fillet knife is a cheap one, and will need to be replaced soon. The carbon steel blades take a good edge, but the metal is porous and I’d be concerned about getting them clean. Something with more of a stainless type finish?

About a year ago we had a thread showing our setups for slaughtering areas and I got a lot of great ideas from it. Right now we’re averaging about 20 minutes per chicken, from standing in a cage to headed inside for bagging. Just thought I’d go fishing again and see what other great ideas are out there.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o120/bee_pipes/chicken_cleaning_station_1.jpg

Regards,
Pat

MadTripper
09-26-2008, 02:05 PM
I made my cones out of aluminum flashing and some rivets. *They work very well and would eliminate your broken wings. *Just cut and shape them like a road cone and you're set. *I bent the top edge over so there are no sharp edges to contend with.

As far as the water goes, my reading lead me to use water at 140 degrees. *I swirl the bird for 30 seconds to a minute and the feathers come out well. *A wood fire is fairly easy to control or one of those propane tukey fryers.

I use a Cutco filet knife that has a retractable blade. *I slice in a similar fashion leaving the spinal cord in tact. *This knife works well and I can extend the blade which gives a bit more flex. I'm partial to a flexible filet knife. I use a decent wetstone for keeping a good edge. In a pinch, I use the bottom of a porcelain coffee mug (the unglazed ring on the bottom). If you aren't that handy with a sharpening stone, Gatco makes a pretty neat sharpening system.

http://www.cutco.com/images/prod/product/5721.jpg

Other than that, I plan on installing an area in my basement with a burner and stainless steel sink along with a large work area. *I had been working on a stack of pallets and it is a bit of a pain.

As I butcher, I toss the birds/meat into a cooler of ice water. *I then place the birds in the fridge for two or so days (thanks Martin) which loosens everything up prior to freezing.

This is a good site I reference for butchering along with help from people on this forum.

Tripper

bee_pipes
09-27-2008, 07:42 PM
I made my cones out of aluminum flashing and some rivets. They work very well and would eliminate your broken wings. Just cut and shape them like a road cone and you're set. I bent the top edge over so there are no sharp edges to contend with.
Okay – sounds good. What did you do to guesstimate size? Is/are your cone(s) one size fits all? Bending the edges over sounds like a good idea, since the work is messy anyway. Last thing you’d want is to cut your hands up with all the blood, dirt, etc.

As far as the water goes, my reading lead me to use water at 140 degrees. I swirl the bird for 30 seconds to a minute and the feathers come out well. A wood fire is fairly easy to control or one of those propane tukey fryers.
Do you keep a thermometer in the pot to check the temp?

I use a Cutco filet knife that has a retractable blade. I slice in a similar fashion leaving the spinal cord in tact. This knife works well and I can extend the blade which gives a bit more flex. I'm partial to a flexible filet knife. I use a decent wetstone for keeping a good edge. In a pinch, I use the bottom of a porcelain coffee mug (the unglazed ring on the bottom). If you aren't that handy with a sharpening stone, Gatco makes a pretty neat sharpening system.
?? How do you keep a retractable knife clean? Doesn’t it pull junk into the handle when retracted?

Other than that, I plan on installing an area in my basement with a burner and stainless steel sink along with a large work area. I had been working on a stack of pallets and it is a bit of a pain.
I like doing most of the messy part outside. Easier to hose down an area. I think we’ll install one of those double deep sinks – used to see them at the box stores like Lowes for $30-$40 – fiberglass, I think. Would be handy for a lot of other stuff.

Still use stacks of pallets for other stuff - makes a dandy portable work area.

As I butcher, I toss the birds/meat into a cooler of ice water. I then place the birds in the fridge for two or so days (thanks Martin) which loosens everything up prior to freezing.

This is a good site I reference for butchering along with help from people on this forum.

Yeah, we let them sit in the fridge for a day or two. Will have to try the ice water though.

Thanks for the ideas - got me looking at stuff to see what I can improve. Would like to start on rabbits this year too.

Regards,
Pat

Trapperswife
09-27-2008, 10:14 PM
We've been raising our own meat birds for several years now and have it down to an art..for us at least!
We don't starve the meat birds before we kill them..we feed their crops to the layers. Gros, but the layers seem to like it fine!
We start early in the morning. Hubby does the killing, 2 at a time. He uses a round piece of firewood as his chopping block, which gets chucked into the burning barrel afterwards. He chops off their heads and puts the bodies into a 5 gallon bucket, neck down. After the flapping stops, he skins them...no plucking for us anymore. As a trapper, he's pretty good at this. He uses a piece of plywood on a workmate, which also gets burned afterwards. He then scoops the guts out into a bucket and hands the body over to me. I do the fine cleaning...I fill a tote with water, and have the hose running. the chicken gets dumped in the tote, and I pull any leg feathers that may have escaped the skinning, and clean the body cavity out well. I don't like yukky stuff left in my chickens!! When I have 4 cleaned, I take them into the house, and set them up on my dish rack, bottoms down to dry. I put the dish rack through the dishwasher after I'm all done. When they are dry, I wrap them in cling wrap by rolling them in it several times over. Then into the freezer they go. We can't even think about eating them for a couple of months after doing them though. All the guts and the skins go into the burning barrel and we usually have it burning as we work. This cuts down on any smells that might otherwise attract unwanted guests. It is easy to clean up...I wash the tote out in the tub with dish soap as the birds leave a greasy film on the tote. We stopped plucking as it was such a messy, smelly process, and the skin is not good for you anyways...too much fat. It really speeds up the whole process.

MadTripper
09-28-2008, 03:19 AM
Cones:

I did guestimate the size. They are probably 18 to 22 inches in height, the wide end is 10 to 14 inches in diameter while the smaller end is 2 to 3 inches in diameter.

I do keep a clip on thermometer on my pot but mainly because I have a touch of OCD.

The knife is only retractable in that if you need more blade, it will extend. The full blade never goes into the handle and since it is constructed of rubber and plastic, except the blade, everything hoses off pretty well and when I'm finished, it gets a cleaning with bleach water. To be honest, it was give to me by my father because he doesn't really do any fishing or game. It works great for me.

Glad the info helped. Let me know if you find something to help us along. The only addition I plan on making is a whiz bang style plucker. I have the guts from an old washing machine I plan on using to build at least a 3 bird plucker.


Tripper

bee_pipes
09-28-2008, 06:42 AM
Cones:
...probably 18 to 22 inches in height...
...wide end is 10 to 14 inches in diameter...
...smaller end is 2 to 3 inches in diameter...
kewl! gives me a starting point - thanx!

I do keep a clip on thermometer on my pot but mainly because I have a touch of OCD.
yeah, my wife is charged with keeping common sense and watching me. I have a tendancy to go off the deep end in projects....

... constructed of rubber and plastic, except the blade, everything hoses off pretty well and when I'm finished, it gets a cleaning with bleach water...
I'll look into it - sounds like a good idea.

...whiz bang style plucker...
...guts from an old washing machine...
Yeah, I don't let go of old appliances until I have stripped everything of value. Even the enameled housing can be used as a sled on the leading end of log when skidding. The motors and pumps come in handy too, if they aren't the reason the appliance broke...

Regards,
Pat

MadTripper
09-28-2008, 09:18 AM
I'll take a snapshot of my cone later today and post it. It really isn't anything spectacular and I'm sure you'll figure it out. We just finished our house last year so I have remnants of building stashed in various locations. The cone hangs nicely on our silo and the concrete base rinses well.

Tripper