Barrett Rifles

[NowKnowYe]

Anyone got a .50 cal Barrett if the SHTF?

[nhlivefreeordie]

They are expensive, and even more so to shoot and keep fed with ammo, not a good SHTF gun though, too heavy, ammo hard to come by in such a situation, most everyone has deer rifle ammo, not many that I know keep the .50 cal stuff in their bedroom closet. They are a very nice weapon though, and one shot kills are common at great distances.
I have a video of what they can do from Afghanistan, of a couple in action. Very graphic, and I couldn't get it to attach here because it is a wmv file.

[rice paddy daddy]

They are expensive, and even more so to shoot and keep fed with ammo, not a good SHTF gun though, too heavy, ammo hard to come by in such a situation, most everyone has deer rifle ammo, not many that I know keep the .50 cal stuff in their bedroom closet. They are a very nice weapon though, and one shot kills are common at great distances.
I have a video of what they can do from Afghanistan, of a couple in action. Very graphic, and I couldn't get it to attach here because it is a wmv file.
Would that be the video with the terrorist being "dislodged" from behind the rock outcropping? In pieces?:D
A Barret is not of much use to the average homesteader.

[WRTN]

They are expensive, and even more so to shoot and keep fed with ammo, not a good SHTF gun though, too heavy, ammo hard to come by in such a situation, most everyone has deer rifle ammo, not many that I know keep the .50 cal stuff in their bedroom closet. They are a very nice weapon though, and one shot kills are common at great distances.
I have a video of what they can do from Afghanistan, of a couple in action. Very graphic, and I couldn't get it to attach here because it is a wmv file.


I will have to disagree with the comment about not being a good SHTF gun. On the contrary. It IS probably one of the most practical and effective weapons to hold off looters especially when the looters are very likely to be rouge LEO's and other government agencies "confiscating" food, ammo, and other essential resources wearing body armor and driving armored vehicles.

One shot can total an amored police vehicle being used for unlawful purposes and deny any further use of the asset.

I agree it is a bit on the heavy side and ammo is expensive.

Here is the video of the sniper team taking out Taliban in the hills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZoYIoyjuM

[poacher]

I don't have one, wish I did but it just hasn't worked out that way yet. Have some friends that do and it's a blast to go shoot. The only way to be half way economical about shooting those beasts though is to reload em. Buying otc ammo can break ya quick.
As far as if one is good for you and your SHTF planning I believe it depends on your location. For someone like me out in Ks or someplace that has wide open spaces where long shots can be taken on a routine basis then yes it has merit. If I was someplace that had 5-600 yard shots max then I would have a harder time justifying it.
Ammo is another consideration. As was mentioned earlier it is very expensive with the mil-surp being around 3.00 a round and match being up to 9 a round. The only way to have this in your toy chest is to have the reloading set up to go with it. Or I guess you could buy enough to supply what you think you'll need and be willing to ditch it when the ammo is gone.

Take care Be safe Poacher
www.handloadersbench.com

[nhlivefreeordie]

Would that be the video with the terrorist being "dislodged" from behind the rock outcropping? In pieces?:D
A Barret is not of much use to the average homesteader.

That would be the one RPD...:D.....but it is a compilation of several kills, or should I say spreading of terrorist over a rather large area....:D

[nhlivefreeordie]

I will have to disagree with the comment about not being a good SHTF gun. On the contrary. It IS probably one of the most practical and effective weapons to hold off looters especially when the looters are very likely to be rouge LEO's and other government agencies "confiscating" food, ammo, and other essential resources wearing body armor and driving armored vehicles.

One shot can total an amored police vehicle being used for unlawful purposes and deny any further use of the asset.

I agree it is a bit on the heavy side and ammo is expensive.

Here is the video of the sniper team taking out Taliban in the hills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZoYIoyjuM

If you have to move and take what is needed to survive, I am afraid a Barrett would be a negative. I would rather have my 30.06, and I could pick up ammo in just about every town, and there is that thing about being able to shoot enough to stay competent.
Also in a SHTF situation, you would be better served to avoid the Armored car, to engage an enemy head on like that in that situation, would be welcoming defeat. Tactically, it is suicide, but I suppose if you did engage, you wouldn't have to worry about ammo, as you wouldn't be around long enough to use it.

[rice paddy daddy]

As long as we're talkin' 50's, I wouldn't mind havin Ma Deuce around, if there's a squad to help.
If you don't know about Ma Deuce, just google it.:)
As far as armored vehicles, the Russians found Molotov cocktails quite cheap and effective.
I don't think body armor would be prevalent on the rampaging thugs after TEOTWAWKI, and I don't really see this country sinking far enough down that average folk would be doing battle with US troops.
But for sporting pourposes, if you can afford a Barrett, by all means get one. The more weapons Americans buy is a good thing.

[WRTN]

If you have to move and take what is needed to survive, I am afraid a Barrett would be a negative. I would rather have my 30.06, and I could pick up ammo in just about every town, and there is that thing about being able to shoot enough to stay competent.
Also in a SHTF situation, you would be better served to avoid the Armored car, to engage an enemy head on like that in that situation, would be welcoming defeat. Tactically, it is suicide, but I suppose if you did engage, you wouldn't have to worry about ammo, as you wouldn't be around long enough to use it.


Who said anything about moving and take what is needed to survive??? My home is where I live and plan to stay and mind my own business and hopefully left alone and finding the peace and quiet I so richly expect and live for. I am not looking for nor wish to have any confrontation with anyone. When and if they come to my front door looking to confiscate and loot, I am going to do what is neccessary to protect my home and family.

Apparently, you see living on your knees and be the pray of societal predators as being acceptable. You can think that way if you choose.......I personally think that IS tactical suicide and YOU won't be around long enough to matter much less have any existense as weak sheep are the FIRST to encounter such folks.

Your memory is very short.......you appear to have already forgotten how law enforcement behaved during Katrina and the Greenville KS dissaster.

Live and let live & help out where I can in my opinion is the best tactic unless and until human predators and scumbags choose to upset the balance.

[DM]

I will have to disagree with the comment about not being a good SHTF gun. On the contrary. It IS probably one of the most practical and effective weapons to hold off looters especially when the looters are very likely to be rouge LEO's and other government agencies "confiscating" food, ammo, and other essential resources wearing body armor and driving armored vehicles.

One shot can total an amored police vehicle being used for unlawful purposes and deny any further use of the asset.

I agree it is a bit on the heavy side and ammo is expensive.

Here is the video of the sniper team taking out Taliban in the hills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZoYIoyjuM

You guys have been had, that's an old U-Tube of some guys shooting rock chucks, and then passing it off as shooting taliban.

DM

[nhlivefreeordie]

Who said anything about moving and take what is needed to survive??? My home is where I live and plan to stay and mind my own business and hopefully left alone and finding the peace and quiet I so richly expect and live for. I am not looking for nor wish to have any confrontation with anyone. When and if they come to my front door looking to confiscate and loot, I am going to do what is neccessary to protect my home and family.

Apparently, you see living on your knees and be the pray of societal predators as being acceptable. You can think that way if you choose.......I personally think that IS tactical suicide and YOU won't be around long enough to matter much less have any existense as weak sheep are the FIRST to encounter such folks.

Your memory is very short.......you appear to have already forgotten how law enforcement behaved during Katrina and the Greenville KS dissaster.

Live and let live & help out where I can in my opinion is the best tactic unless and until human predators and scumbags choose to upset the balance.

Apparently you don't read many of my posts. I am as committed to individual rights and natural law as anyone, I also know that to survive one must be adaptable, by stating your intentions to stay put, you are the one who will be treated as a sheep, after you are thrown in a camp. You can talk all macho all you want, if the feds or your local cops want you, and you decide to remain in your home, there is only one ending, and it isn't good for you,....remember Koresh?
Better to be ready to move and wait until the situation is more favorable to you winning, in such a situation, living to fight another day is more important. I am not a sheep and will not be lead, I will survive and fight when I can win.

[WRTN]

Apparently you don't read many of my posts. I am as committed to individual rights and natural law as anyone, I also know that to survive one must be adaptable, by stating your intentions to stay put, you are the one who will be treated as a sheep, after you are thrown in a camp. You can talk all macho all you want, if the feds or your local cops want you, and you decide to remain in your home, there is only one ending, and it isn't good for you,....remember Koresh?
Better to be ready to move and wait until the situation is more favorable to you winning, in such a situation, living to fight another day is more important. I am not a sheep and will not be lead, I will survive and fight when I can win.

"Thrown in camps"?????? I'm gonna have to throw the "Tin Foil Hat" penalty flag on that one. :sarcastic::meeting:

[nhlivefreeordie]

"Thrown in camps"?????? I'm gonna have to throw the "Tin Foil Hat" penalty flag on that one. :sarcastic::meeting:

Is that because you have been checkmated?? You don't really have a comeback so resort to deflection of the subject?? Nice try, but anyone that knows anything knows that by being stationary you are easier to control, .....or eliminate....:meeting:

I will stroll by in my tin foil hat and wave, as you are lead to your station to work ....for the collective.:lol:

[WRTN]

Is that because you have been checkmated?? You don't really have a comeback so resort to deflection of the subject?? Nice try, but anyone that knows anything knows that by being stationary you are easier to control, .....or eliminate....:meeting:

I will stroll by in my tin foil hat and wave, as you are lead to your station to work ....for the collective.:lol:

Ooooooops! There goes the "Napoleonic Ego Imposition" flag. :D:rolleyes:

Deflection?????? This thread was started by a member asking a practical application question about a Barrett 50 cal. rifle in an SHTF scenaro.

You have managed to drag the subject off into the whackjob, lunatic, paranoid realm of concentration camps further aggravated by incessant and compulsive Napoleonic Ego impositional outbursts. Don't forget about the space aliens that are going to attack.

All I did was to very politely and civilly disagree with your comments and state why and for what reasons. This apparently was found to be intolerable by your pre-eminent and over self appraised ego. Get back on topic and off the personal crap AND a life dude!

Those who look for trouble most certainly WILL find it. You seem intent upon looking for it.

[WRTN]

You guys have been had, that's an old U-Tube of some guys shooting rock chucks, and then passing it off as shooting taliban.

DM

DM,

I believe you are correct! Indeed it would appear we have in fact been had. :D:yes2: Good call and good eye!

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=14430

http://www.rmvh.com/Scenes.htm

I remember seeing a video of this a few years ago that had some video of humans traversing the rocks that appeared to be Taliban that was probably video shopped in. Yet another hoax gets thrown on the scrap pile.

[poacher]

Whoa.. Slow down there partner. First of all it was Greensburg not Greenville Ks. Secondly just as Mark Twain once said "The rumors of my demise have been greatly exzagerated" The rumors of gun confiscation in Greensburg have also been shall we say inflated a tad. Let me clarify that I did NOT have feet on the ground there. I did have two close friends who did. I am in the process of confirming the following with them.

My understanding of what happened in Greensburg was that yes the local, state police did collect firearms, however they were the firearms that were laying around in the streets, lots and yards. Once owners claimed them they were returned promptly. I have no problem with someone collecting my weapons if they are laying around out in the open. I would consider it fairly neglectful of any dept, unit or organization that carries arms to leave them out in the open where any ner-do-well or child could gain access to them.

Once I hear from them to confirm or deny this I will post what I learned. If I was wrong feel free to rub egg in my face. If I was right so be it. Katrina.... well thats a whole nuther ballgame and we could probably debate that for another five years. Nuf said.

Take care Be safe Poacher
www.handloadersbench.com

[WRTN]

Yes indeed, it is Greensburg. My slopply mistake in typing in hast without proof reading. Good call. These firearms being "collected" for safe keeping were "collected" out of people's homes that were damaged during the tornado.

The owners of these "collected" for safe keeping firearms were not only required to show proof of ownership (which I can certainly understand within the confines of common sense), but also REQUIRED to fill out BATFE form 4473 BEFORE their private property was returned to them.

Firearms scattered in the streets and public domain, again I can certainly understand the need and actions to gather up such firearms and other associated items for safe keeping but going into people's homes and onto private property without permission AND a warrant authorizing such confiscation or "collection" IS LOOTING. If the infomation I read was in fact true.......these firearms were "collected" by cutting open steel gun vaults in the wreckage of people's homes. If these 21st century traitors & thugs can "collect" firearms for save keeping.......what else can and do they "collect" for safe keeping????? (diesel, gasoline, food supplies, medical supplies, vehicles, ammunition?????)

In very recent history, the state and local police, followed by federal law enforcement have been the FIRST to engage in looting, confiscation (read aggravated armed robbery), and other abuses.

Again, I can certainly understand government personnel engaging in the same type of help and support a neighbor would do or what I would do to help out a neighbor. Sadly and very unfortunately, this is rarely the case or what actually happens.

Anyhow, in an effort to steer this thread back on topic, my initial reply about the applications for the Barrett 50 rifles are and still intended as an absolute last resort to protect one's family, neighbors, and property in such a way as to permently deny the use or abuse of government assets to terrorize and abuse law abiding citizens any further as would the use of ANY firearm or application of force.

In my neck of the woods, my neighbors and I already have discussed such a possibility and came to the VERY SAME conclusion Ben Franklin did....... "We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." III percenters understand that concept well.

A cheaper but very good quality alternative to the Barrett rifles is the M93 Black Arrow. Definitely not a light rifle. The bolt alone weighs around 3 1/2 lbs.

[nhlivefreeordie]

Ooooooops! There goes the "Napoleonic Ego Imposition" flag. :D:rolleyes:

Deflection?????? This thread was started by a member asking a practical application question about a Barrett 50 cal. rifle in an SHTF scenaro.

You have managed to drag the subject off into the whackjob, lunatic, paranoid realm of concentration camps further aggravated by incessant and compulsive Napoleonic Ego impositional outbursts. Don't forget about the space aliens that are going to attack.

All I did was to very politely and civilly disagree with your comments and state why and for what reasons. This apparently was found to be intolerable by your pre-eminent and over self appraised ego. Get back on topic and off the personal crap AND a life dude!

Those who look for trouble most certainly WILL find it. You seem intent upon looking for it.

We were having a debate...dude.:rolleyes:

If you mean trouble as disagreeing with you, then I guess so, but I didn't question your mental capacity, it has been my experience that those that are lacking in facts to back up their position, usually resort to a personal attack....gee, another statistic.

Further, a few that have ..." been there, done that, " seem to back up my premise, about the disagreeable issues with the choice of a Barrett, I think all of us might like to own one, just not as a SHTF weapon.
I never said that YOU shouldn't do what you plan, by all means, if that is right for you, great.

Btw, when you plan on taking out an armored vehicle with your .50 cal, I hope I am a few counties away....:sarcastic:

[WRTN]

We were having a debate...dude.:rolleyes:

If you mean trouble as disagreeing with you, then I guess so, but I didn't question your mental capacity, it has been my experience that those that are lacking in facts to back up their position, usually resort to a personal attack....gee, another statistic.

Further, a few that have ..." been there, done that, " seem to back up my premise, about the disagreeable issues with the choice of a Barrett, I think all of us might like to own one, just not as a SHTF weapon.
I never said that YOU shouldn't do what you plan, by all means, if that is right for you, great.

Btw, when you plan on taking out an armored vehicle with your .50 cal, I hope I am a few counties away....:sarcastic:


Uhhhhh........NO! We ARE NOT having a debate. Start your OWN thread if you want to debate. This thread and topic is NowKnowYe's in case you didn't notice. At least have the common courtesy and consideration for others NOT to obscond with the thread topic and content.

You should at be able to live up to your namesake and walk the walk as well as talk the talk. You speak "Live Free or Die" but your actions and advocacy of demeanor clearly shout "Live Free or Run and Hide".

Apparently some Tennesseans who came before me had a very similar view point to mine AND stood their ground.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

Some very brave souls came to a very similar conclusion at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. I thank the Lord everyday these men did not follow a strategy such as yours.

NONE of these men wanted nor were looking for a fight and had standing orders not to fire unless fired upon. They stood their ground because it was THEIR HOME and they could not indefinitely stay in the hills over looking their towns and watch them being burned.

NowKnowYe, my apologies for this disrespectful side tracking or your thread. I won't waste any further effort and time off topic.

[Teg]

The Barrett is a nice weapon but toting a 25-30lb gun and ammo around in a solo sniper scenario isn't exactly ideal in my mind due to the need to move positions every few shots.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a nice tool and the way our guys have been using it in Iraq and Afghanistan is great, but that doesn't make it the best tool for every sniper situation, at least in my opinion.

[WRTN]

The Barrett is a nice weapon but toting a 25-30lb gun and ammo around in a solo sniper scenario isn't exactly ideal in my mind due to the need to move positions every few shots.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a nice tool and the way our guys have been using it in Iraq and Afghanistan is great, but that doesn't make it the best tool for every sniper situation, at least in my opinion.

I agree 110%. I wouldn't want to lug that monster around for any length of time or distance even with the backpack kit.

[nhlivefreeordie]

Uhhhhh........NO! We ARE NOT having a debate. Start your OWN thread if you want to debate. This thread and topic is NowKnowYe's in case you didn't notice. At least have the common courtesy and consideration for others NOT to obscond with the thread topic and content.

You should at be able to live up to your namesake and walk the walk as well as talk the talk. You speak "Live Free or Die" but your actions and advocacy of demeanor clearly shout "Live Free or Run and Hide".

Apparently some Tennesseans who came before me had a very similar view point to mine AND stood their ground.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

Some very brave souls came to a very similar conclusion at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. I thank the Lord everyday these men did not follow a strategy such as yours.

NONE of these men wanted nor were looking for a fight and had standing orders not to fire unless fired upon. They stood their ground because it was THEIR HOME and they could not indefinitely stay in the hills over looking their towns and watch them being burned.

NowKnowYe, my apologies for this disrespectful side tracking or your thread. I won't waste any further effort and time off topic.

Since it isn't your thread either, I will add....
The question was asked if the Barrett would be a good SHTF weapon, a question in most cases, leads to discussion and debate of the pro's and cons. During that debate, ( yes, you did offer your opinion ) you made a ridiculous comment about the Barrett being needed to take out armored vehicles....:lol: if there are armored vehicles that need taking out, we will need a lot more than a Barrett, as our problems will be many. The weapon of choice in that scenario is the brain.
A little history lesson as well, ( and you know these threads would not go off on tangents if statements weren't made that need to be corrected ) it is NOT clear who fired that shot at the Old North Bridge, it may very well have been colonists, attention to detail is a must when discussing history. I am as much a lover of freedom and natural rights as you are, I just know that fighting face to face in that kind of situation is suicide, and you are welcome to it. There are lots of dead hero's in other countries who brought attention to themselves before they were in a situation of being able to win.

Now, to bring the thread back onto topic.....

The Barrett would be too hard to keep fed, in a SHTF situation, you want to keep ammo handy, or be able to acquire it rather easily, most deer hunting rifles and cartridges fit that bill and arouse a lot less suspicion.

[MooseToo]

The Barrett is a nice weapon but toting a 25-30lb gun and ammo around in a solo sniper scenario isn't exactly ideal in my mind due to the need to move positions every few shots.



do they make optional wheel assemblies to mount on the sling swivels ?

[Teg]

That might be handy. :)

[gunsmoke]

Your memory is very short.......you appear to have already forgotten how law enforcement behaved during Katrina and the Greenville KS dissaster.



Or the Arizona Police Officers QUESTIONABLY COMMISSIONED AS "SPECIAL" DEPUTY US MARSHALS and paid by FEMA who beat and broke an 84 yr old woman's arm and shoulder when she refused to leave her own home in New Orleans in the days following KATRINA? They had NO warrant, they were on HER PRIVATE PROPERTY, They should be prosecuted under 42 USC 1983 for violating her 4th Amendment Property Rights.

She showed them her considerable supply of food, and potable water. They tried to scare her into leaving her home and when they got to armed thugs roaming the streets she told them "Oh that's alright I've got guns too." And removed one small handgun from a drawer six huge men in body armor and helmets bravely tackled the obviously dangerous old woman. She has never had her guns retirned to her but when he tool office LA Congressman Steve Scalise (R-LA 1ST) presented her with a new .44 Special Revolver.

If you got the kill zone to effectively employ a .50 and can afford it, get 1 or 10.

[gunsmoke]

Here is ONE video of the incident that I described in New Orleans following Katrina:

http://vodpod.com/watch/48022-nra-the-untold-story-of-gun-confiscation-after-katrina

[MrGreenJeans]

I would love to have one, like some said just not enough room for it, a long shot here in the mountains would be around 3 to 4 hundred yard,s. 308 or 30-06 will do here. If i could afford it i would anyway. You could put a truck in the grave yard quickly that's for sure. 270 is the smallest they will let you use for elk here, wonder what they could say if you showed up with one of those cannons. He! He!

[Teg]

wonder what they could say if you showed up with one of those cannons. He! He!

"You have the right to remain silent, anything you say....." lol just kidding. ;):)

[ArmySGT.]

Post TSHTF? Not really. In peace? Fun toy. At 2.50 a cartridge (yes one) tp expensive to become proficient with, plus the 2500.00 price tag new without optics. Takiing out Police RVs? Certainly will destroy the engine, rounds will even pentrate? Take one out? Ummm No. No the magic shaman stick of doom for all evil doers. Even with API and scoring a hit on a fuel tank your gonna cause a fire that can be put out with an extinguisher.

Staying put, forting up, bunkering in, bugging in, what ever you want to call it, and hoping that all things bad sweep past you looking for easier pickins, while you enjoy your internet and instant mocha? Yeah right.

You give up surprise.
You give up maneuver.
You have given up numerical advantage.

Castles fell out of favor not because they are strong, but because weapons were developed that can tear down 20ft stone thick walls in only hours. Castles were obsolete by the 15th century (likely earlier).

Now ummmm Barrets. Frankly you average shooter in no way could take advantage of the rifles ability to make hits at 1800 meters. They lack the skills, the equipment, and the money to gain them.

If police are coming for you in armored vehicles, you best plan would be that you are not home.

[nhlivefreeordie]

Post TSHTF? Not really. In peace? Fun toy. At 2.50 a cartridge (yes one) tp expensive to become proficient with, plus the 2500.00 price tag new without optics. Takiing out Police RVs? Certainly will destroy the engine, rounds will even pentrate? Take one out? Ummm No. No the magic shaman stick of doom for all evil doers. Even with API and scoring a hit on a fuel tank your gonna cause a fire that can be put out with an extinguisher.

Staying put, forting up, bunkering in, bugging in, what ever you want to call it, and hoping that all things bad sweep past you looking for easier pickins, while you enjoy your internet and instant mocha? Yeah right.

You give up surprise.
You give up maneuver.
You have given up numerical advantage.

Castles fell out of favor not because they are strong, but because weapons were developed that can tear down 20ft stone thick walls in only hours. Castles were obsolete by the 15th century (likely earlier).

Now ummmm Barrets. Frankly you average shooter in no way could take advantage of the rifles ability to make hits at 1800 meters. They lack the skills, the equipment, and the money to gain them.

If police are coming for you in armored vehicles, you best plan would be that you are not home.

Exactly, someone who knows the deal...Thank you....:wink:

[Oblio13]

.50's lose their allure after about 3 rounds. You can feel that muzzle blast in your sinuses.

If you want to play sniper, for about the same money, you could get a suppressed .338 Lapua. A lot more portable, practical and pleasant.

[ArmySGT.]

Post TSHTF? Not really. In peace? Fun toy. At 2.50 a cartridge (yes one) tp expensive to become proficient with, plus the 2500.00 price tag new without optics. I was wrong. It is on the order of $8000.00 without optics and $10,000 with optics (and those would be necessary) Try buying .50 BMG ammo right now with the rest of the ammunition crisis still under way in many places.


Takiing out Police RVs? Certainly will destroy the engine, rounds will even pentrate? Take one out? Ummm No. No the magic shaman stick of doom for all evil doers. Even with API and scoring a hit on a fuel tank your gonna cause a fire that can be put out with an extinguisher.
I will stick with this. Simply put, not a magic talisman that keeps the bogeyman away. To kill an armored vehicle you have to kill the crew, set the fuel on fire, or get the ammo to explode. .50 BMG isn't the best tool for that. a Police RV is unlikely to have cannon shells or missiles aboard, so you have to kill the crew, or set the fuel on fire. Even with API your unlikely to get the job done before overwhelmed by return fire.

Staying put, forting up, bunkering in, bugging in, what ever you want to call it, and hoping that all things bad sweep past you looking for easier pickins, while you enjoy your internet and instant mocha? Yeah right.

You give up surprise.
You give up maneuver.
You have given up numerical advantage.

Castles fell out of favor not because they are strong, but because weapons were developed that can tear down 20ft stone thick walls in only hours. Castles were obsolete by the 15th century (likely earlier).
Unless your the post apocalyptic Baron with your own horde of minions can you expect that bugging in is the answer too all end of the words problems.

Now ummmm Barrets. Frankly you average shooter in no way could take advantage of the rifles ability to make hits at 1800 meters. They lack the skills, the equipment, and the money to gain them. I still stand by this

If police are coming for you in armored vehicles, you best plan would be that you are not home.

Yep, Rule number #1 in Zombieland. Cardio.

[NowKnowYe]

Well, OK....how about a wrist rocket instead?

NKY

[ArmySGT.]

Well, OK....how about a wrist rocket instead?

NKY

How about a Rem 700 or a Savage 110, spend another grand on good glass?

Then learn to shoot it. Then shoot it alot to be proficient with it. Then try some competitions to be humbled and see the path to getting better.

Not as sexy as a Barret but will take care of 90% of post apocalyptic problems.

[TackKS]

Apparently you don't read many of my posts. I am as committed to individual rights and natural law as anyone, I also know that to survive one must be adaptable, by stating your intentions to stay put, you are the one who will be treated as a sheep, after you are thrown in a camp. You can talk all macho all you want, if the feds or your local cops want you, and you decide to remain in your home, there is only one ending, and it isn't good for you,....remember Koresh?
Better to be ready to move and wait until the situation is more favorable to you winning, in such a situation, living to fight another day is more important. I am not a sheep and will not be lead, I will survive and fight when I can win.

Koresh did not have an ounce of tactical ability, military training or will to actaully put up a fight.

[TackKS]

Or the Arizona Police Officers QUESTIONABLY COMMISSIONED AS "SPECIAL" DEPUTY US MARSHALS and paid by FEMA who beat and broke an 84 yr old woman's arm and shoulder when she refused to leave her own home in New Orleans in the days following KATRINA? They had NO warrant, they were on HER PRIVATE PROPERTY, They should be prosecuted under 42 USC 1983 for violating her 4th Amendment Property Rights.

She showed them her considerable supply of food, and potable water. They tried to scare her into leaving her home and when they got to armed thugs roaming the streets she told them "Oh that's alright I've got guns too." And removed one small handgun from a drawer six huge men in body armor and helmets bravely tackled the obviously dangerous old woman. She has never had her guns retirned to her but when he tool office LA Congressman Steve Scalise (R-LA 1ST) presented her with a new .44 Special Revolver.

If you got the kill zone to effectively employ a .50 and can afford it, get 1 or 10.

I think you are referring to the California Highway Patrol officers who did that.

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If a person has his basic defensive weaponry taken care of, a .50 cal rifle would be a nice addition. Especially for those folks living in a static situation who plan to 'bug in'. Remember, not everyone is planning to 'bug out' if TSHTF.

Would a .50 be my primary weapon? Heck no! But consider someone attempting to break through your obstacle blocking the end of your driveway: a .50 would have enough butt to stop that vehicle dead in it's tracks. Even some armored vehicles; especially if you know where to shoot them.

If a person were to want one weapon, I think an AR15 or an AKM would fit the bill.