jolokia or ghost Pepper?

[Pokeberry Mary]

My hubby likes extremely hot peppers. He is bent on growing some he has heard of called Jolokia or ghost pepper. I need to get seeds this month and was wondering if anyone has grown them, has seeds they'd like to sell or trade for? or knows where to get them or anything about them--are they heirloom for instance?

Anyone a little bit nuts out there? Ooh hot!:eek:

[AlchemyAcres]

My hubby likes extremely hot peppers. He is bent on growing some he has heard of called Jolokia or ghost pepper. I need to get seeds this month and was wondering if anyone has grown them, has seeds they'd like to sell or trade for? or knows where to get them or anything about them--are they heirloom for instance?

Anyone a little bit nuts out there? Ooh hot!:eek:

Bhut Jolokia (ghost chile) is a landrace from North Eastern India.

They're a challenge to grow, germination is erratic and slow and fruit set is poor unless conditions are perfect.

It's preferable to start with seedlings, if possible.

Guaranteed pure seed is available from the Chile Pepper Institute at New Mexico State University.
$5 for 10-15 seeds.

http://aces.nmsu.edu/chilepepperinstitute/

Seedlings are available from Cross Country Nursery in New Jersey.

http://www.chileplants.com/search.asp?ProductCode=CHIBHJ

~Martin

[Pokeberry Mary]

Have you actually grown any yourself?

We had quite a good crop of habenero last summer--it seems hot pepper were the only thing that truly liked our growing conditions--sandy full sun hillside in S. Carolina. It was a cooler summer I thought than usual--not much above 90, very humid.

I suppose its the luck of the draw with the jolokias.
We'll get a little extra seed. I don't really want to go with plants.

[AlchemyAcres]

I've grown them from well started plants I got from a friend, but just once and just for the 'fun' of it.
I'll let my friends grow them.
I try to stay away from anything that needs special attention and babying. The season is too short and unpredictable here without a good greenhouse.

You're in a much better area to grow Bhuts!


~Martin

[nhlivefreeordie]

I was just looking at the characteristics.....1,000,000 scovilles?!!!! Really?..seems it wouldn't be edible....

[AlchemyAcres]

I was just looking at the characteristics.....1,000,000 scovilles?!!!! Really?..seems it wouldn't be edible....

:D



~Martin

[Pokeberry Mary]

I personally do not plan to eat these--I'm not sure I'll even tend them for him. This is Hubby's baby--the jolokia project. I'm glad its got him more interested in gardening and preserving, but boy he better watch what he uses in my kitchen when he brings those in the house!

I remember when he was satisfied with habeneros.

funny, when I married this guy I couldn't even TOUCH a jalapeno bare handed--I've come a long way... but I think he may have gone off the pepper deep end.;)

[MrGreenJeans]

Those puppies can do a serious skin peel inside or out side of ya. If you do get them to grow enjoy. The pin size dab i put in my mouth, was dried is like drinking a glass full of lit gasoline. I love hot stuff and eat hot sauce on most everything. These are without a doubt the meanest pepper on earth. My bro brought in some stuff called maddog 357 hot sauce made with these thing's. Two drop's in chili and it was so hot we were the only fool's dumb enough to eat it. This was a 2 gal. batch.

[Diavolicchio]

There's a guy in Australia on YouTube who does taste tests of all of the freakishly hot chiles in the world. Here's a clip of him eating a whole Bhut Jolokia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaEjcY30wgY).

Yes, he eats a whole one. But keep in mind he's one of those rare people who's used to eating these ridiculously hot chiles.


John

[AlchemyAcres]

I've toyed with the idea of someday crossing my Baby Cayenne's with Bhuts to create a "Baby" Jolokia cultivar that's a smaller plant, slightly tamed, much earlier and much easier to grow, especially in the north.

Three Baby Cayenne plants per container.......

http://i46.tinypic.com/k4yvde.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2wqtndj.jpg





~Martin

[Diavolicchio]

Beautiful peppers, Martin!


John

[nhlivefreeordie]

Those puppies can do a serious skin peel inside or out side of ya. If you do get them to grow enjoy. The pin size dab i put in my mouth, was dried is like drinking a glass full of lit gasoline. I love hot stuff and eat hot sauce on most everything. These are without a doubt the meanest pepper on earth. My bro brought in some stuff called maddog 357 hot sauce made with these thing's. Two drop's in chili and it was so hot we were the only fool's dumb enough to eat it. This was a 2 gal. batch.

I can't imagine dealing with these things...I got nose bleeds and had trouble breathing after my day of canning my Jalapenos last fall, and I think they are only like 25,000 scovilles...plenty hot enough for me.

[Diavolicchio]

Actually, Jalapenos are generally only in the 4,000 to 6,000 scoville range, relative to 1,000,000 scovilles for the Bhut Jolokia.


John

[nhlivefreeordie]

Actually, Jalapenos are generally only in the 4,000 to 6,000 scoville range, relative to 1,000,000 scovilles for the Bhut Jolokia.


John

If that is the case, then I am all set right there, I don't mind numb lips, or tingling tonsils, but when it becomes uncomfortable to eat, and you have trouble breathing, it isn't about taste anymore.

[Builder Ken]

NH I'm with you brother lol I want to enjoy what I eat plus I don't think I can eat that much ice cream.......... lol Ken

[nhlivefreeordie]

NH I'm with you brother lol I want to enjoy what I eat plus I don't think I can eat that much ice cream.......... lol Ken

I can put a hurtin on Ice Cream...:D

In the summer, we go to the Amish Store Every Saturday night for Ice Cream....MMMMMmmmm

[Builder Ken]

It would take a lot of cream to put out a fire that big lol Ken

[nhlivefreeordie]

Actually, Jalapenos are generally only in the 4,000 to 6,000 scoville range, relative to 1,000,000 scovilles for the Bhut Jolokia.


John

In light of other posts recently, this one was on my mind, as I knew I had read some where that Jalapenos are 25,000 Scovilles, but of course, John had to appear all knowing and was quick to correct me. It didn't have any meaning to me at the time, and I figured I remembered it wrong, wouldn't be the first or last time I am sure.
Just because I was skeptical, I went searching, and lo and behold, I found where I had read it, I guess the moral of the story is, ...if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, you can safely assume it is a duck.
Go impress someone else.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/dj88ryr/A101_Page_11.jpg

[AlchemyAcres]

In light of other posts recently, this one was on my mind, as I knew I had read some where that Jalapenos are 25,000 Scovilles, but of course, John had to appear all knowing and was quick to correct me. It didn't have any meaning to me at the time, and I figured I remembered it wrong, wouldn't be the first or last time I am sure.
Just because I was skeptical, I went searching, and lo and behold, I found where I had read it, I guess the moral of the story is, ...if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, you can safely assume it is a duck.
Go impress someone else.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/dj88ryr/A101_Page_11.jpg

Looks like you get the Penzey Spices catalog. :)

Honestly, I don't know where Penzey gets their numbers, but I do know for sure that the Jalapeno cultivar Bike Billy is one of the hottest readily available and it only registers up to 8,000 to 10,000 Scoville heat Units....most Jalapenos are less.


~Martin

[GoodDaughter]

I replied to Mary's post several days ago but I guess I didn't hit send....

I can't imagine anything that hot. I can't even stand things like jalapenos or cayennes. My DH loves hot peppers and he makes hot sauce every summer so I usually start seedlings and grow some plants for him-- usually chiltepins, pequins, jalapenos, cayennes, and one that was an oddball pepper in a 6 pack of seedlings I bought a long time ago and kept saving seeds from (the fruit kind of resembles a thai hot pepper but the plant is covered in a very fine grayish fuzz, I call it 'fuzzy pepper'. it's probably a named cultivar but I don't know what it is) Once I grew squash peppers, scotch bonnets and those white habaneros but even he wouldn't eat them--too hot for him. I have to say the squash peppers made fine little shrubs.

I'd be afraid to grow those jolokias because my hens sometimes peck at the peppers. I'd be afraid it might kill them.

Looking at the chart there, it says Pequin is 140,000. Is that right? I don't know a whole lot about scoville units, but DH scarfs those, puts them in a bottle of vinegar and lets them stew for a month or two before using.

[nhlivefreeordie]

Yes I do, I love their spices, they make some really useful combinations as well.
I don't know where they get their numbers either, but darn it, I remembered I read 25,000 some where, and like I said, it really means nothing, but neither was the need for a correction from Mr. Little Devil if not for the exact reason as GD posted else where.
I get annoyed with Richard Craniums when they disrupt the peaceful exchange of information. I come here to listen to guys like yourself, Paul, Lee, and many others that are living the life, I resent a homesteading yuppie want to be dismissing everyones thoughtful explanations in such a mean spirited way, just rubbed me wrong.
Still, I knew I remembered this from somewhere, and when I reached for the Cinnamon to make Apple Pan Dowdy tonight, the Pensey label jarred my memory, I was feeling pretty special just stumbling back on it...:D

[nhlivefreeordie]

I replied to Mary's post several days ago but I guess I didn't hit send....

I can't imagine anything that hot. I can't even stand things like jalapenos or cayennes. My DH loves hot peppers and he makes hot sauce every summer so I usually start seedlings and grow some plants for him-- usually chiltepins, pequins, jalapenos, cayennes, and one that was an oddball pepper in a 6 pack of seedlings I bought a long time ago and kept saving seeds from (the fruit kind of resembles a thai hot pepper but the plant is covered in a very fine grayish fuzz, I call it 'fuzzy pepper'. it's probably a named cultivar but I don't know what it is) Once I grew squash peppers, scotch bonnets and those white habaneros but even he wouldn't eat them--too hot for him. I have to say the squash peppers made fine little shrubs.

I'd be afraid to grow those jolokias because my hens sometimes peck at the peppers. I'd be afraid it might kill them.

Looking at the chart there, it says Pequin is 140,000. Is that right? I don't know a whole lot about scoville units, but DH scarfs those, puts them in a bottle of vinegar and lets them stew for a month or two before using.

GD, it sounds like they aren't as accurate as one might believe, I do trust Martin's knowledge on the subject, so I would be suspect of the 140,000.

[Diavolicchio]

In light of other posts recently, this one was on my mind, as I knew I had read some where that Jalapenos are 25,000 Scovilles, but of course, John had to appear all knowing and was quick to correct me.


He probably corrected you because your numbers were bad. That would be my guess.


Honestly, I don't know where Penzey gets their numbers, but I do know for sure that the Jalapeno cultivar Bike Billy is one of the hottest readily available and it only registers up to 8,000 to 10,000 Scoville heat Units....most Jalapenos are less.

~Martin

You are correct, Martin. I've never seen a Jalapeno rate higher than 10,000 Scovilles; most are in the 3,000 to 6,000 range.

I find this chart the most accurate and comprehensive (http://ushotstuff.com/Heat.Scale.htm) when it comes to rating chiles by Scoville units. It's the online reference I use most often. Its numbers are consistent with a handful of other sources I've seen through the years.

I usually get my Jalapeno seeds from Siegers Seed Company. They actually take the time to measure the Scovilles for every variety they sell. It's helpful.

As you can see on this list (http://www.siegers.com/shop/kind.asp?kind_id=AB11), Siegers' 18 varieties of Jalapenos range on the low end from the 1,000 to 2,000 Scoville units to the high end at 6,000 to 8,000. I'm pretty sure the Biker Billy Hybrid (which they don't sell) is closer to 10,000.

I guess the moral of the story is, ...if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, you can safely assume it is a duck.


Apparently he's not a duck. http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/img/smilies/lau.gif



John

[nhlivefreeordie]

Looks like you get the Penzey Spices catalog. :)

Honestly, I don't know where Penzey gets their numbers, but I do know for sure that the Jalapeno cultivar Bike Billy is one of the hottest readily available and it only registers up to 8,000 to 10,000 Scoville heat Units....most Jalapenos are less.


~Martin

From what I gathered in research last night, it seems that peppers can vary widely in heat units, it seems that in each instance, Penseys uses the upper number, and is consistent across the board being on the high number.
So, anyone who would take an opportunity to correct someone on something that varies widely, is using that in an effort at something else.
It took others on other forums a while to identify the duck as being a duck, I don't expect it will be as long here, as many that I know could answer these questions put forth, have already decided to ignore the duck.....smart people here at BHM.

[Diavolicchio]

From what I gathered in research last night, it seems that peppers can vary widely in heat units, it seems that in each instance, Penseys uses the upper number, and is consistent across the board being on the high number. So, anyone who would take an opportunity to correct someone on something that varies widely, is using that in an effort at something else.


NHLive:

Peppers can vary considerably in their their Scoville score, pepper to pepper. In an effort to be as accurate as possible, catalogs that list Scoville ratings for their chiles list a mean average for the variety, not the measurements taken from one freakish aberration. The latter would be terribly misleading and unrepresentative of the variety.

As much as you want and need to be right here, it's unfortunately just not the case. You will be hard-pressed to find a seed catalog promoting a variety of Jalapeno rated at 25,000 Scovilles. Frankly, I don't think you're going to have much luck finding a variety beyond 10,000. Just Google "Scoville Scale Jalapenos" and start combing the hundreds (or thousands) of results you're given. You'll quickly see that the accepted range is somewhere in the ballpark of 2,000 to 8,000.

I think the bigger issues here are assuming you know what Penzeys is doing, and the folly of relying solely upon one source of information without taking any additional time to verify its accuracy.


It took others on other forums a while to identify the duck as being a duck, I don't expect it will be as long here, as many that I know could answer these questions put forth, have already decided to ignore the duck.....smart people here at BHM.


If the "smart" people on here are "ignoring the duck" as you claim, where exactly does that leave you and GoodDaughter?




John

[nhlivefreeordie]

As much as you want and need to be right here, it's unfortunately just not the case. You'll quickly see that the accepted range is somewhere in the ballpark of 2,000 to 8,000.

John

Firstly, I never NEED to be right, that is something reserved to egomaniacs......and ducks. I used the number that I saw in print, and even gave you the page to prove it. But I also know that anything can be wrong, it makes no sense to .....what was it you said...." Take this stuff so serious"....or was that all BS spouted to take away from being identified as a duck....:D

Secondly, that range is the third different range you have listed, so apparently you have some bad connections accessing your memory banks for numbers.....happens when you over complicate things.....:D

This whole process should be second nature to you now, what after all the other places......tough dealing with cabin fever?

[Diavolicchio]

Firstly, I never NEED to be right, that is something reserved to egomaniacs......and ducks.....or was that all BS spouted to take away from being identified as a duck....:D

Secondly, that range is the third different range you have listed, so apparently you have some bad connections accessing your memory banks for numbers.....happens when you over complicate things.....:D

This whole process should be second nature to you now, what after all the other places......tough dealing with cabin fever?

NHLive,

I know you want to fight, and to argue, and be to right about things when clearly you're not, and to gloat, and to try to convince people on here (whom I sure couldn't care less) that I shouldn't be welcomed into what you perceive to be your own private little club, but I'm just not interested in playing these games with you. I'm sorry.

There are clearly some really great people on this Forum with a wealth of experience, many of whom have taken the time publicly and via private messages to offer me great advice, answer many of my questions and do so civilly and without all of your bizarre games and antics. I'm on here to learn from them.

If you and your pal GoodDaughter can't be civil and stop all of your juvenile posturing, passive-aggressive verbiage and "He's a Duck" nonsense, then it really is probably best for everyone that you simply ignore me. I'm betting the masses would agree, as well.

Consider this matter closed. Capisce?



John

[nhlivefreeordie]

NHLive,

I know you want to fight, and to argue, and be to right about things when clearly you're not, and to gloat, and to try to convince people on here (whom I sure couldn't care less) that I shouldn't be welcomed into what you perceive to be your own private little club, but I'm just not interested in playing these games with you. I'm sorry.

There are clearly some really great people on this Forum with a wealth of experience, many of whom have taken the time publicly and via private messages to offer me great advice, answer many of my questions and do so civilly and without all of your bizarre games and antics. I'm on here to learn from them.

If you and your pal GoodDaughter can't be civil and stop all of your juvenile posturing, passive-aggressive verbiage and "He's a Duck" nonsense, then it really is probably best for everyone that you simply ignore me. I'm betting the masses would agree, as well.

Consider this matter closed. Capisce?



John

I was just saying that I think the troll has been fed enough for the week. I was very civil, until it became apparent what you were up to, and that was verified by researching other forums that you have frequented.
Left to your own devices you will tire of yourself and move on.

FYI, this is no club to me bub, I am new here, the difference is, I don't disparage people after asking for advice.

No ignore button needed, I have the self control to pass over your self aggrandizement and get to posts that actually mean something.:wink:

[Diavolicchio]

I have the self control to pass over your self aggrandizement and get to posts that actually mean something.:wink:

Oddly, no one has seen any evidence of that yet. Go figure.



John

[Pokeberry Mary]

Play nice!

BTW-- Hubby got his jolokia seeds and actually ate 2 of them.

Then he offered me a kiss..

I said no thanks. ;)

[Diavolicchio]

I've toyed with the idea of someday crossing my Baby Cayenne's with Bhuts to create a "Baby" Jolokia cultivar that's a smaller plant, slightly tamed, much earlier and much easier to grow, especially in the north.

Three Baby Cayenne plants per container.......


Martin,

What's on your list of peppers to grow for 2010 (sweet and hot)? Do you plan this far in advance?



John

[AlchemyAcres]

Martin,
What's on your list of peppers to grow for 2010 (sweet and hot)? Do you plan this far in advance?


Funny you should ask......I've been working on my grow lists most of yesterday and today.
I'll post the pepper list in a day or two when it's complete.


~Martin :)

[Diavolicchio]

Funny you should ask......I've been working on my grow lists most of yesterday and today.
I'll post the pepper list in a day or two when it's complete.


~Martin :)


Something tells me you're gonna have some exotic stuff on it.

You may get a kick out of this collection (http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/hot_chili_pepper_seed.htm) if you've not stumbled across it yet. It's a great visual reference, too.



John

[Pokeberry Mary]

John--Can't wait to show Hubby that link. He dreams of more and more hot peppers.
:)

[AlchemyAcres]

Something tells me you're gonna have some exotic stuff on it.

You may get a kick out of this collection (http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/hot_chili_pepper_seed.htm) if you've not stumbled across it yet. It's a great visual reference, too.
'


Thanks.
Chiliseeds is one of the sites I scan quite often, one needs to be careful with some of what they promote because they're all about hype and then some!!!!!

It'll be interesting to see how Yellow Bhut Jolokia pans out, there's quite a controversy over what exactly it is and its development.

Detailed in this thread........
http://www.thehotpepper.com/showthread.php?15544-Yellow-Bhut-Jolokia-ChileSeeds

By the way....hotpepper.com is probably the best chilehead 'community' site on the web.

http://www.thehotpepper.com


~Martin

[jony]

i know store that sell ghost chili peppers.
here - Ghost Chili (http://www.thepatentmagicplant.com/store/Ghost-Chili-ghost-chili-peppers.html)
i bought there, and its very easy to grow the ghost chili.