SAVAGE 110 CHAMBERED FOR 7MM

[BUBSDAD]

I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A BOLT ACTION DEER RIFLE AND FOUND A GOOD LOOKING 7MM SAVAGE MODEL 110 AT A LOCAL GUN SHOP FOR $250.00 USED. SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD DEAL TO ME, BUT, I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THE 7MM.

MY QUESTIONS ARE, (1)IS THIS A GOOD ROUND FOR DEER. (2)WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE GOOD FOR, I AM THINKING ABOUT A GOING ON A BOAR HUNT.

ANY OF YOUR INSIGHTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

THANKS
BUBSDAD

P.S. Sorry for the all-caps.

[hunter63]

I assumming that is a 7mm mag, or maybe 7mm-08, 7mm wsm.
Any or all of them is good for deer and boar.

Sounds like a good price, does it come with anything?

[Fortyfour]

The 7mm mag is a long range caliber for deer and elk. I have quite a few friends and family who favor the 7mm mag and 7mm-08 for elk and use a 175gr bullet with fantastic results.

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[BUBSDAD]

THANKS FOR THE REPLIES.


THE RIFLE IS SCOPED WITH THE TASCO THAT CAME ON IT NEW AS A COMBO, I'D PROBABLY UPGRADE THAT. IT IS CHAMBERED FOR 7MM REM MAG.

BUBSDAD

[Swede]

The 7mm mag has a little more oomph than a 30-06. If you can do it with an '06, you can do it with the 7mm.

Also, the Savage 110 is a very nice rifle.

Enjoy.

Swede

[Rick]

I bought a Savage 110 .30-06 a few years ago at WalMart. It had a Simmons 3X9 scope on it. The price was $340. $250 sounds like a fair deal.

Savage rifles have a good reputation for being accurate right out of the box. That one probably has the black plastic stock, which is not a real stiff stock, but it will still probably shoot at least 1.5-2 MOA, or better, with quality ammo.

My .30-06 kicks pretty hard.

[BUBSDAD]

I just picked it up, got it for $249.00 and talked the man out of a hard case. Its supposed to be 63 and sunny this Saturday, cant wait to go to the range.

A question now about sighting this scope. The range I go to is only 25 yd, how can I sight this in for 100yd on a 25yd range?

BUBSDAD

[kawalekm]

Hi Bud
Congratulations on getting it! I've always been a Savage fan because I'm a leftist and years back Savage was just about the only company that made left-handed rifles. A 110 in 7mm Rem. Mag was my very first centerfire rifle and that's what I used to take my very first deer. It's also a tack driver, with 3/4" groups at 100 yards easy. With the right load, it's a good choice for anything up to moose and elk. You've now got a rifle that will cover about 99% of hunting in America!

Here's a easy way to sight in. You can quickly pull out the bolt of your 110 by holding down the bolt release button on the right side of the reciever. You lift the bolt handle while holding down the release button and the bolt will just come out the back. This lets you easily bore sight the gun. Position the gun on sandbags or whatever firm rest you can make and look down the bore of the gun. Sight in on some distant object, such as the top of a fence post, or whatever. Without disturbing the position of the rifle, look through your scope to see where it's pointed. Then, use the scope adjustment screws to adjust the crosshairs on top of what your bore is pointed to.

That's good enough to get you "on the paper" at say 50 yards. You could fire 2 rounds at 50 yards and make an initial adjustment, then move out to 100. Remember though, if your scope says "1 click=1/4" at 100 yards", at 50 yards you'll have to do 2 clicks to get the same adjustment.

By the way, you might find that a quick adjustment to point-blank range at 50 yards will put you about 1.5-2.0 inches high at 100 yards, and then at point blank again at 200 yards. That amount of hold over at 100 is good to keep the bullets within 2-3 inches of where you are pointing all the way out to 250 yards.

[jim]

If you zero exactly "on" at 25 yds, you should hit 2-3" high at one hundred yards. That will allow a point blank range to 300 yds or so depending on what bullet weight you use. You need to find a place that you can practice at 100 yds with that rifle.

A guy I know hunts these small Texas deer with a 7MM Rem Mag and uses the heaviest slug he can find. It is tough enough to not destroy as much meat as a lighter slug would. He has great success.

jim

[backlash]

Will a range that is only 25 yards allow you to shoot a 7mm mag?
My BIL used a Savage in 7MM Mag and he really like it.
He harvested more deer and elk with it than I could ever hope to shoot.
Mine is a Remington 700 BDL in 7MM Mag and it never failed to get the job done.
It is more than enough for North American game animals.

[BUBSDAD]

THANKS GUYS,

I DIDNT EVEN THINK TO CHECK WITH THE RANGE ABOUT WHAT IS/ISNOT ALLOWED, I HAVE A BUDDY THAT LIVES ON FLAT GROUND WITH NO WOODS AROUND SO I GUESS HIS BACK YARD WILL BE THE RANGE.

BUBSDAD

[Bare]

I'll lay a clay pigeon or a piece of paper the same size on the bank at 100 yds and have a spotter watch for the bullet impact. A couple of shots and you can have it dialed in close enough for a kill shot. Consult with a Speer manual to get the point blank zero for the bullet and load you'll be using. Long range shootin' requires long range accuracy so if you do that sort of thing, set up a target and go to work. It's always fun to do that sorta thing anyway.

[hunter63]

Will a range that is only 25 yards allow you to shoot a 7mm mag?
My BIL used a Savage in 7MM Mag and he really like it.
He harvested more deer and elk with it than I could ever hope to shoot.
Mine is a Remington 700 BDL in 7MM Mag and it never failed to get the job done.
It is more than enough for North American game animals.

Good point, a lot of ranges will no longer let you use a rifle, to much build up, at least around here.
I guess I'd give them a call first.

I think you will be pleased, I really like my Ruger M77 in 7 mag, been shooting it for a long time.

[TRguy]

Well I see you mean 7mm Mag but don't forget 7mm-08. To me the 7mm-08 is one of the most versatile cartridges available. More punch than the 243 and flatter tragectory than the 308. The small case length uses less powder and allows the use of the Short Action.

It will absolutely take any game North American has to offer. Is it the best for all jobs, NO. It is adequate though for almost any encounter with four or two legged prey.

My favorite is a Model 11f 7mm-08 Savage with a Burris 3x9x40 ballistic plex reticle.....She is a solid platform and never fails me.

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[gunsmoke]

The 7mm REM MAG is a real thumper. I've never owned one nor a Savage 110 but I've never heard anything bad about either one from anyone who did.

My own preferences in 7mm are the Ruger 77 in 7 X 57 (I also own two 7 X 57 FN49s). The 7 X 57 is probably the single most prolific cartridge (in military use) so far in history. It is a great old cartridge with some really good modern factory ammo available for it.

The 7mm REM MAG would be sufficient for everything in North America with the right bullet choice and placement. The record North American Grizzly was taken with a BAR in 7mm REM Mag.

The only magnum RIFLE cartridges that I use regularly are the .264 Win Mag and .416 Weatherby Mag.

I think you probably got a really good deal there, enjoy and let us know how it shoots!

[DM]

I took this Dall Sheep with a 7mm Rem. Mag...

http://fototime.com/3D1AA2E50E9626B/standard.jpg

Although i no longer hunt with a 7RM, it is the magnum cartridge i liked best, back when i went through the magnum craze...

DM

[OzarksJohn]

.....But it's no .30/06.

Howdy.

Maybe I'm different; heck, I've even been called peculiar before. My thoughts are that the 7mm Remington Magnum was almost a riddle wrapped in an enigma. There is no doubt that it's the single most popular commercial cartridge Remington ever coughed up for a big game rifle round, and with military sales not considered, it's the most popular 7mm/.284 caliber rifle cartridge ever. All that said; I can't figure the darned thing out. It's not as beefy as the .30 caliber magnums for bigger than deer size game when you need or want extra bullet weight and it's not one iota better than a dozen other cartridges of non-magnum classification on deer. The price of the ammo is higher than either .270 Winchester or .30/06 Springfield, (it's two most serious competitors in the popularity contest) So all I can do is wonder what the heck do you do with it besides hunt with it, kill game from antelope to moose size,(hogs included) and wonder why on earth it even exists.

Seriously though, $250.00 is pretty cheap for a decent bolt action rifle chambered in a cartridge that regularly gets the job done on thousands of game animals every year. I would suggest that you stay away from the lighter bullets and go with stuff in the 160-175 grain range with some consideration on the density of the animal you are after. 160's for deer and antelope and the 175's for hogs, bear, and elk/moose size. The 7mm Remington Magnum works well on lots of things if bullet choice is reasonably matched to the intended animal and the likely ranges at which it'll be used. Enjoy your new rifle. OzarksJohn

[DM]

.....But it's no .30/06.

Howdy.

Maybe I'm different; heck, I've even been called peculiar before. My thoughts are that the 7mm Remington Magnum was almost a riddle wrapped in an enigma. There is no doubt that it's the single most popular commercial cartridge Remington ever coughed up for a big game rifle round, and with military sales not considered, it's the most popular 7mm/.284 caliber rifle cartridge ever. All that said; I can't figure the darned thing out. It's not as beefy as the .30 caliber magnums for bigger than deer size game when you need or want extra bullet weight and it's not one iota better than a dozen other cartridges of non-magnum classification on deer. The price of the ammo is higher than either .270 Winchester or .30/06 Springfield, (it's two most serious competitors in the popularity contest) So all I can do is wonder what the heck do you do with it besides hunt with it, kill game from antelope to moose size,(hogs included) and wonder why on earth it even exists.

Seriously though, $250.00 is pretty cheap for a decent bolt action rifle chambered in a cartridge that regularly gets the job done on thousands of game animals every year. I would suggest that you stay away from the lighter bullets and go with stuff in the 160-175 grain range with some consideration on the density of the animal you are after. 160's for deer and antelope and the 175's for hogs, bear, and elk/moose size. The 7mm Remington Magnum works well on lots of things if bullet choice is reasonably matched to the intended animal and the likely ranges at which it'll be used. Enjoy your new rifle. OzarksJohn

Hi John,

Did you learn all of the above from experience? Cause i've had a much different eperience with the 7RM. I've found the 7RM loaded with 175NP's considerable more gun than a 30-06 loaded with anything. I've seen it work on brown bears, and work well, doing anything the 300 mags can do, with less recoil.

As for smaller big game, (deer/antelope) it works well with premium 140's or decent 150 grain bullets, and does a great job, even at longer ranges, shooting flatter than most non magnums.

If i "HAD" to go back to a magnum, the 7RM is the one i'd go to... but i'm just not a magnum guy, and it sounds like you aren't either.

DM

[Pitdog]

I'm on the fence with this one, and was going to keep my mouth shut which is a rareity, but finally-
AS I have said before, I am NOT of the magnum craze, and do not wish to become involved it in. For regular sized game, it is fair to say that the 7RM is really TOO much gun, as most magnums are. IF you are going to be doing a mix of BIG game, and I mean big bears and such, then the 7 gives flexibility of being able to do a little of everything from medium to large game.
My Dad and brother are 7mag and 7STW fanatics and go on and on about the flat trajectory and on and on, and never hunt anything else but whitetail. My Dad's barrel is shot out, because the 7 mag is bad on barrels, especially when poor reloading practices are employed. I tell them both they NEED the flat trajectory because neither of them can shoot, and therefore are incapable calculating elevation and therefore need the flat trajectory, they deserve the criticism, trust me.
Currently I am restoring, and restocking a quarter octagon, full length ribbed 7RM built in Europe on a commercial FN action, really potentially nice piece if I do my part, looking forward to doing it and shooting it. AND getting it back to my cousin!
For those who have the desire, the 280 Ackley is on the heels of the 7RM for velocities, but does so with much better powder efficiency, less recoil etc. I have the reamer and when I feel the time is right (available) I will be building up a 280 AI, and testing it out, especially as opposed to the 7 RM.
7RM a bad cartridge? Not @ all, do I like it .......... not really. It is an acquired taste.

[Bare]

I'm a reloader and have reloaded bothe the 30-06 and 7 mag. It's hard to determine efficient use of powder when their are opinions as to which powder is the best for each. But one thing I have noticed is the 7mag takes about 25% more powder to achieve an increase of only a couple hundred ft/sec velocity over that of the 30-06.

Anyone who know about ballistics knows there is no such thing as a "flat" trajectory. Gravity acts the same on all bullets. The only thing different is bullet design and speed.

I have friends and relative who own both calibers and they argue constanatly in favor of both and, you guessed it, both are absolutely right.:)

[DM]

I'm a reloader and have reloaded bothe the 30-06 and 7 mag. It's hard to determine efficient use of powder when their are opinions as to which powder is the best for each. But one thing I have noticed is the 7mag takes about 25% more powder to achieve an increase of only a couple hundred ft/sec velocity over that of the 30-06.

Anyone who know about ballistics knows there is no such thing as a "flat" trajectory. Gravity acts the same on all bullets. The only thing different is bullet design and speed.



When you compare bullets of the same "SD" instead of the same "weight", the 7mm has a real advantage, and with premium bullets, the extra speed of the lighter/faster 7mm takes it up a knotch further.

I've taken many big game animals with both, and have been handloading since the 60's, and that's what my experience has been.

DM

[Pitdog]

6.5 and 7mm have the real stuff, honestly they are the most outstanding bullet diameters of all. 30 is fine and does great, I love .30-06 and .308 (the long and short) but..............
I also like 8mm bullets, was leaning towards 8mag, not sure anymore.

[OzarksJohn]

Howdy.

DM,

I never should have yanked the 7mm Remington Magnum VS .30/06 Springfield starting rope. Both cartridges are what they are, and when fed the seemingly endless variety of factory ammo and handloads they both are capable of doing the job for a savvy user. OzarksJohn