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GoodDaughter
01-07-2009, 08:14 PM
I'm not sure where this goes, so I am putting it here under 'General'. Doesn't matter where it goes, it's more about me putting my thoughts in order and just sending it 'out there'. Maybe that will be cathartic.

I had a little revelation today. *Some may have read about my upcoming new job. It's a good job, a good opportunity in many ways. I'm not complaining about the job. The more I think about it, the more possibilities I see for spending some of that money. It's going to make things easier here at home, but it's also going to FINALLY give me an opportunity to SERIOUSLY move forward with getting a small house or cabin built on my rural acreage so I can move out of this growing barrio. I've been thinking about that, and other things too. Was driving home this afternoon after I bought my little digital tv converter box, listening to talk radio. *All the talk about what Pelosi/Ried/Et al. have done to our constitutional rights and what the fallout was predicted to be... bad. For most of us. For a very long time. And I looked down at that STUPID digital tv converter box laying there on the seat and I just wanted to smash it, throw it out on the freeway and let some Mack truck crush it to bits. (No, I didn't get the government tit-sucking coupon either). I just hate what that stupid little box represents, I guess.

Then I started thinking about self sufficiency, homesteading, doing all I can to provide for myself, and all the zillion little things I think of when I feel discouraged about the state of our country. For me, falling back on my plan of self sufficiency is a way for me to feel like I have a plan, some control, some way out of the whole mess if/when the time comes. *I hate Hate HATE feeling bad about the future. It's not the way God wants us to live, and I refuse to be dragged down by all the hate and evil in the country and world. So, I start thinking about what I'm gonna do and how I'm gonna go about doing it. I am constantly thinking about it, what steps I need to take in order to remove myself as much as I possibly can from 'them' *Them being the ones who want so regulate and tax and control you until your desire to live is sucked out of you like so much fuel for their hate mills.

My subconscious must have been working on the problem, because suddenly I have this insight I've never had before---why not change the rules of the self-sufficiency game instead of playing it by their rules? Here, I've been trying all along to think how could I live as frugally as possible and still be able to pay all the taxes I have to in order to have a decent home, land, etc? *I mean, I live pretty darn frugally as it is, I don't have most of the things so many other people do like cable tv or satellite, new vehicle, new clothes, or for that matter even healthcare, home owners insurance, or high speed internet. Heck, I'm still on dial-up because it's cheapest.

But, that's playing by THEIR rules. I am STILL trying to fit myself into their parameters. In trying to figure out how I can live the most inexpensively, all I am doing is trying to figure out how to live most inexpensively according to their guidelines. Granted, I'm at the bottom of their guidelines, but I'm still abiding by them.

What I need to do is stop trying to conform my life to fit within their boundaries. I don't need anyone to tell me what is good for me, or demand that I do this or that for the sake of others (who often don't deserve it anyway). I am perfectly able to discern what is good and what is bad in life.

I need to write my own boundaries. Stop playing the 'game' according to the way they want me to. And start playing it (what I choose to call simply living my life) by my OWN rules.

I have some ideas, which I probably shouldn't post here. *But I have a couple others floating around in my head... Here's an example.... the house I live in now is smallish, very plain but very well kept and clean. Very plain vanilla on the outside. Inside, I've got to say it's turned out pretty nice considering what I started out with. *Now I know the tax assessor goes by 'comparable sales' and 'fair market value' and etc. when assessing taxable value on a home. *Ok, I'm actually at the point where the thought of running up some God-awful looking shanty, maybe made of two or three 40 ft. containers of differing colors, and some peeled cedar poles and rock.... yeesh, it would be horrible looking. I can see it in my mind's eye. *What would the tax man think? (We're talking about an area where there are no buidling restrictions/codes/permits in very rural northwest Texas). Would he go 'gag' and write some low assessment? If not, I could probably protest it. I have successfully protested three property tax hikes in the past 15 or so years, on my own, no attorney. *But who says the inside of the house can't be nice? *;) Or that it's even my house at all? No, it's my barn. Or my storage buildings. Yeah, I've got furniture stored in there. *They want to tax it? Ok, let them figure out what it is first. House? Barn? Shed?

Pay exorbitant electricity costs? Why? I'm at the point I'd rather invest in some good deep cycle batteries and a small solar setup, and have my 3 generators handy. Have my pickup rigged so I can charge a few batteries while I'm out driving around doing other things. That way I could still have a computer, a few lights, etc. Yeah, I'd have to buy gasoline, but at least that would be more under my control than trying to keep my electric use down to levels most people would freak out over, and STILL get bills for $125 or more! Utilities are too unreliable, too subject to vast fluctuations in cost.

I could really run amok with this train of thought. It's quite liberating.

CarolAnn
01-08-2009, 01:11 AM
GoodDaughter -
You can't get into trouble for thinking of ways to get around the system . . . at least not yet!

I've also entertained myself with the thought of a hidden home - maybe a tiny, rusted 1940's type trailer house with a secret entrance to something hidden and fabulous! Details evade me, but I like the concept.

I have friends who built a new log home with no inside bathroom, for two reasons - they prefer their composting outside biffy and also because the property is taxed at a much lower rate if there's no bathroom inside the house. They have a cistern & hand pump - so they do have water to the kitchen and a bathtub (truly - "bathroom" - not toilet room!)

I suspect tax accessors have all kinds of sneaky ways of finding out what you've really got, though, even if it's ugly on the outside, and "comparables" really aren't fair anyway. My rental duplex is shabbily made with plastic, fake wood trim, cracks where the two prefab halves were stuck together and windows that leak cold air like an old screen door - and it "compares" in price to a duplex that was stick-built (meaning not prefabricated, but built on site out of real wood) with good windows, solid construction and good insulated windows - because of similar square footage and neighborhood.

Keep on putting that creative mind of yours to the problem - and as you dream, you'll come up the answers! (I truly believe this: seek and ye shall find!) :)

fnfredux
01-08-2009, 04:46 AM
put in the "basement" with a roofover and never build the house. put up a 40X80 steel "barn" *and have a great "tackroom".
There are many ways to get around rather than keep banging your head on the wall.
You're on the right track, you're doing the most dangerous, life changing, establishment threatening thing a person can do.
YOU ARE THINKING LOGICALLY and coming up with SOLUTIONS "they" haven't handed you.
Good Girl!

fnfredux
01-08-2009, 04:50 AM
oh, one little detail you may not know, when they assess your new "house", whatever way you go, if you do your own labor, they "assess" that from their little book too!

pinetreefarm
01-08-2009, 05:17 AM
I like your logic , Good daughter. However in Minnesota, the assessor can legally come in. That just happened to me this year. They looked around and asked a few questions. Her only comment is that she like my decorating. We will see when the assessment amt. is sent to us. sigh

We live in a county of 12,000 people. they just beuit a new courthouse and a new jail for 102 prisoners and now the schools want a new elementary building. The 4-6 grade ws new 4 years ago. Our taxes are going to skyrocket locally.

Statewise, the largest employer in the state is the State of Minnesota and the 2nd largest employer is the Federal government and the third largest are the local governments. These entities produce nothing that can be taxed so guess what folks...with a 6 mil. budget deficit to make up...guess what...more taxes. We gotta support those unionized bureaucrats!

Will stop ranting,

Pine

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Quietgentleman
01-08-2009, 05:21 AM
GoodDaughter

Here's some insperational reading for you. I think you will like it.

http://www.f4.ca/text/possumliving.htm

QGM

fnfredux
01-08-2009, 05:35 AM
I like your logic , Good daughter. *However in Minnesota, the assessor can legally come in. *That just happened to me this year. *They looked around and asked a few questions. *Her only comment is that she like my decorating. *We will see when the assessment amt. is sent to us. *sigh

We live in a county of 12,000 people. *they just beuit a new courthouse and a new jail for 102 prisoners and now the schools want a new elementary building. *The 4-6 grade ws new 4 years ago. *Our taxes are going to skyrocket locally.

Statewise, the largest employer in the state is the State of Minnesota and the 2nd largest employer is the Federal government and the third largest are the local governments. *These entities produce nothing that can be taxed so guess what folks...with a 6 mil. budget deficit to make up...guess what...more taxes. *We gotta support those unionized bureaucrats!

Will stop ranting,

Pine

edit for typo

yes, I wonder about the assessor coming in.
In CT we HAD to let him in.
In MO no assessor in the house.
Now I am curious.
Could it be a question for the GENERAL board?
I think I'll try.

Michael32170
01-08-2009, 05:46 AM
Remember the television show "BJ and the Bear". He lived in his truck and the song for the show included a statement "And I don't pay no property tax"

Not sure how true that is....

GoodDaughter
01-08-2009, 09:05 AM
No tax assessor inside the home here in Tx. They just do 'drive bys' and occasionally getting out and walking around with the wheel-on-a-stick thing.

The first time I protested my taxes, it was because I discovered they had my house down as a newly built home. :o I got a tax bill for something like $1500! I took photos inside and out, took the deed, mortgage papers, etc. to them and made them fix their error. Taxes now run about $500 a year. My house is a turn of the century farm house that was moved on to the property. I guess whatever knucklehead assessor put it on the tax roll couldn't tell the difference between a newly built home and an old farm house? ::) Methinks they could, but just wanted to screw me out of some money. None of which was ever refunded or credited to the following bills!!

I figure a person could do quite a bit 'under the radar'. Considering that most of the rural areas in Tx don't have building codes or require permits & etc., about the only requirements I can come up with would be to sastisfy the utility companies. Which I plan on circumventing as much as possible. Electric I can largely do away with. Water will be by catchment or hauling. (Yes, people catch and haul water where I'm talking about).

I'm just not going to live my life by narrowing it down to the point I'm miserable in order to fit into 'their' rules. Yeah, keep the taxes paid in order to keep them off your back and to not draw attention to yourself. Keep the car registered properly for the same reason. Stuff like that. But as far as I am concerned, the only 'rules' I need are God's, and common sense. Everything else, I already have. The only reason to conform to 'their' regulations is to do the minimum in order for them to not notice you. Lots of people already live this way, not because they want to but because they have to. Think about single parents, or the elderly who live so very poorly. Or for that matter the millions of illegals who move about freely and live quite well in our country while doing exactly what they want to do and never paying property tax etc.

Thanks for the link to Possum Living, I read it a long time ago but it will be good to read it again.

Buck
01-08-2009, 09:40 AM
put in the "basement" with a roofover and never build the house. put up a 40X80 steel "barn" *and have a great "tackroom".



Yes, the "basement" house was quite common in the 50's & 60's when money
just wasn't as easy to borrow. Back then people save to pay as they went.

That said, a 'basement' house has many advantages if you take care to watch
the lay of the land so as not allow rain run off to fill it up.

flatwater
01-08-2009, 04:14 PM
Sorry Goodaughter , but you didn't have a Revelation , there is only one of those. What you had was an epiphiny.(sp) Thats where your anger overrides your good since and short circuts the power node of your muscle control which results in you finding the nearest Government official and shoving that black box where the sun don't shine

kmccune
01-12-2009, 01:13 AM
I'm a big fan of screw the TV.When I was a youngun we were without TV quite often and walking around outside at night you would be amazed at some the sights.And the old Philco radio had a glorious tone,I had hard hands and a warm heart.Anyway I'm tired of paying handsomely to watch Big Pharma& Lotto commercials.By the way I must of been hiking or something,I missed the referendum that gave us the little black box-Kevin

crafty2002
01-12-2009, 06:34 AM
Referendum??? Are you nuts. They don't need us to say what we want. They tell us what we want.
I want a black box in my house and that is all it is to it, because they said I wanted a black box in my house.
When my cable bill passed 60 bucks a month I bought a set of rabbit ears. I don't get 100 plus channels but we live with it.
My dail up service went from $6.95 to $9.95 a month to $15.95. *Lord forbid I have got to have the computor to fuss with idiots on line so I let it go and paid it. Then it jumped to $21.95. I bit the bridle again. When it went to $27.95 I went the hell off.
I spent probably 12-15 hours on the phone raising cain and finally I got it back down to $6.95 a month as long as I don't disconnect.
Plus they put 70+ bucks back into my bank account. :o
Seems like a fake letter from a fake lawyer gets things done. *;D Of course I didn't do that. *:-X
Now I am trying to figure out how to get the electric company down.
But what truely gets me is I hurt day in and day out. I have had more injuries than most people could have lived through.
I know now that God has a reason for me to still be alive, and I know what it is, but for several years I wondered, seriously if he was just letting me live to see how much pain a man could stand.
I have got to spend over $200 a month on pain meds when I could grow a flower and drink a couple of cups of tea a day. *
I can put up with the TV or with out it, but I have had it with the pain. It's making me mean. Hateful.
I am like you are GoodDaughter. I have done went and got bit by the pissed off bug too. And it got a good bite on me this time. Like a skitter bite. You can't scratch it off and I am not even going to rub it. I am going to let it itch a little more. :o Not too much more. But a little more.
I am just waiting for the modern day America Revolution.
Dennis

thebiglebowski
01-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Remember the television show "BJ and the Bear". He lived in his truck and the song for the show included a statement "And I don't pay no property tax"

Not sure how true that is....


Well as a former owner/operator you do pay taxes but its fuel tax. It really seems like a lot because its so in your face every month. Mind you if you have a good contract, like any business your costs are figured in to what you;re charging.

Now that my son is 18 and I'm feeling the money pinch I will be going back on the road for long haul. I will be giving up my house that I rent and will just live in the truck. The company doesn't care and when I feel like I need some space I will just rent a hotel room for 2 or 3 days when I have time off.

I did this a few years back, I would run for a month then take a week off, during that week I would get a hotel room where I was based and the fellow would charge me 200 bucks for a full week or sometimes I would just stay with friends, give them hundred and they were pretty happy.

MNMOM
01-12-2009, 05:19 PM
Gooddaughter, I hope that you will be able to change the rules by which you live. So many of us would love to do it.

Here in MN, we have to let the assesser in, no way around it. If you don't have to in Texas, go for it. :)

GoodDaughter
01-12-2009, 07:46 PM
Crafty, I am so sorry you have so much pain. :'( *I know to a certian extent what it's like living in agony all the time. Mine wasn't physical, it was emotional and mental after a nightmare came to life. No details necessary, but I was clinically dead for a while through someone's willful act. *Oh, permanent death would have been a blessing! but no, I'm still here. God isn't done with me yet, and I had to come back here. :'( *I DO believe that once you've been where I was, it does something to you and you understand that some things that can happen to you aren't so bad. Inconvenient maybe, but frightening? Hardly. Example....*One time about a year ago I was going into a convenience store in a rough part of town. This nasty old biker kind of leapt at me and went 'BOO'! *I didn't jump or scream, I just kind of looked at him. He said 'Didn't scare you did I'? and cackled, and I said 'Mister, it would take a heck of a lot worse than you to scare me. I was once dead for 17 minutes and they brought me back to life. You ain't sh**'. *I was told by my dr. that it can take years to fully assimilate a near death experience into your life. I'm finding that to be true. But I am finding that the good far FAR outweighs the bad.

I'm just not going to make my life miserable over what they tell us we want. Not doing it. I'm going to pay my bills and rat away as much money as I can. Yeah, I have to pay income tax, but I can also get busy building on a little house in the sticks, and I can remove myself from as many of the government/social engineering machinations as I can. *

Biglebowski, yep, you pay fuel taxes, and IRS heavy road taxes, and all the regulations to be owner/operator. Seems like the owner/operators feel the gouge a lot worse, because they get taxed almost double in terms of overall taxation than what they average 9 to 5 jobs tax.

MNMOM, I have heard that Minnesota has a lot of regualtions, and that kind of surprises me because it's a pretty rural state, isn't it? It's a pity too. *I think when so many regulations are laid on, the gvmt. is cutting off it's nose to spite it's own face, because they tax and regulate people right out of being able to afford things like property, owning their own homes, etc. *Fewer people able to afford it, the more that those who can afford it have to pay in taxes. Insanity.

kmccune
01-13-2009, 01:53 AM
Yeah Crafty, know what you mean.I have lived through the dawning of several ages and have found out that most people who say they are hurting-are. But one thing irks me,I've seen people on total disability who hunt and fish,etc; go places I wouldn't-Makes me wonder why I opted for for surgery rather then the other option disability.It was bad for awhile ,still moving under own power-have to get it done again.Do know this although,pain will make you mean and hard to live with. TV is a comfort to a lot of people-I just cant stand Madison Ave.Our far from ideal Dsl costs $50 a month-nearest library several miles away over a steep ridge-yes sometimes Cassiopeia is the best show.Sometimes I wish we lived in a democracy rather then a republic,also wish more drugs were legal so you wouldn't have to contend with skeptical MDs-Nuff said for awhile-Kevin

Anon001
01-13-2009, 11:21 AM
yes, I wonder about the assessor coming in.
In CT we HAD to let him in.
In MO no assessor in the house.
Now I am curious.
Could it be a question for the GENERAL board?
I think I'll try.



I just now had a chance to read this. In Kansas, the tax assessor can't even step foot on your property without permission... The only person that has a legal right to come onto a property is the game warden. Even a sheriff can't come on without a warrant or due cause (criminal activity in process.) When the sheriff has been here, he stops at the lane and doesn't drive back. The tax assessor can't even step on the property, much less come inside without the landowner's permission for any reason. I like it that way. However, they do "fly overs" and photo every thing in the county now.
Paul

huckelberry
01-15-2009, 12:46 PM
you may have to let the assessor in,but you have some control.you can make them make an appointment,to fit your schedule.....then you can arange for them to see only what you want them to see...makes ya think some dont it?.....huck

GoodDaughter
01-15-2009, 04:57 PM
I think all the time. My little mind just goes constantly...

Anon001
01-15-2009, 05:26 PM
I think all the time. My little mind just goes constantly...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that!
Paul

momma_to_seven_chi
02-05-2009, 11:05 AM
Now I am trying to figure out how to get the electric company down.
But what truely gets me is I hurt day in and day out. I have had more injuries than most people could have lived through.




I'm sorry. I hope your doctor finds a way to help you feel more comfortable.