Sellers revolt on ebay.

[Buck]

It had to happen.......
"Current economic hardships - especially weakness in the consumer economy- added to the fact that quite a few Ebay sellers have been severely hacked off by recent changes in fee structures has put Ebay in a tight spot."

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/15/ebay-deteriorating-mass-layoffs

[GrannySyl]

It's not just the sellers revolting. Some of us buyers have had it also. :-[

I will not use PayPal. I personally know of several people that have been over charged & then given the run around while trying to resolve the problem.

If I cannot pay for a purchase with a U.S. Postal Service money order, then I'm not going to buy it.

So now that (starting in late Oct.) they will require that all sellers, and therefore, all buyers use PayPal, I'm out of there.

I also hate thier new format. It appears that some sellers are listed in a preferential manner.

Due to the very rural area that I live in, and my husbands poor health, driving to the nearest large town, is simply not practical. So, I will miss the convience,but, I will not be bullied.

I guess it's time to subscribe to a few mail order catalogs.

[walls0stone]

My Beef with Ebay was this..
Our family makes and has made a large share of our income dealing in used construction equipment. Large stuff..rock trucks, wheel loadersect. *So I spent a fair amount of time at auctions in person.

*E-bay let everyone play in a world were only pros could before. It's like the world of construction in the housing boom... and everyone was a house flipper or a carpenter. *If it were easy, it would be diffrant, but buy'n and sell'n are careers..full time jobs. Look what happend there...lot of poor built houses.

*In the real world of Auction, if I have a resurve at an actual auction (I'm not talking some mom pop sell out..but full time, equipment sale) *then you don't know it.... if I bid on my own item to cover the trucking, it's my risk I could be left hanging with no sale..... E-bay gives you a hard time for bumping, they say it's disshonest, that's stupid.. At an actual sale, they don't care. *

If the product at a real sale has a defect..a pro will be likly to find it. buyer beware.. that's why it's in the sale...did you think they came here just give you stuff to be nice to you? NO...you gota take it home and fix somthing or paint it..whatever. *It's the same as playing poker for a living. YOu don't get in unless you are sure of what you are doing. *Ebay made it to easy to get into a grown mans game..fine if you are selling crap in your attic..but anything valued over $100. go deal in person. *

[WileyCoyote]

Hoooray, walls0stone! and ditto.

I love auctions; I can get what I want for far less than new, and I can get a lot of it if I want. But I haveta put my hands on it; haveta see it, have to hear it start and see it run, before I bid. If it doesn't start and doesn't run, DH looks at it and tells me if he can fix it, and if it will cost us less to fix it than to buy new.

But getting 'deals' on Ebay is like pipe dreams - you can hope all you like but usually you end up with questionable stuff - and they are NOT good about watching their sellers. A friend of mine searched everywhere for tickets to a college football game in GA - and found some on Ebay, the seller was in England. This told me that he shouldn't buy them, but he was desperate - so he bought them and never got them. He finally had to cancel his credit card! And Ebay got him his money back - six months later, long after the games had been played.

They make a big deal about 'winning' bids on Ebay but nothing beats the satisfaction of facing your competition, knowing how high you will go, and actually putting your hands on the product you want to buy. Buying and selling 'a pig in a poke' is still a sucker's game. There's one born every minute, and two more to take advantage of him...

And I can't grasp the whole reserve or bidding on your own item contention, either - makes perfect business sense for the seller. "Fair"? Who ever said life was fair? And the seller is there to make money, not to benificently warm the cockles of a greedy heart.

[Cil]

I don't much about Ebay, but I'm getting "Your PayPal account is..." emails. I've never used paypal in my life. *When I order online, I use my debit card or I don't get it.

[9er]

Outrageous shipping/handling drove me off the site in '06.

Plus people must of wised up. I could never figure out how people would buy something at a dollar store, then sell it on eBay for $20...

[walls0stone]

Actualy, I turn on RFD TV Cattle sales to listen to bidding when I can't get motivated. Tell ya anything? I lvoe the bidders who are new to equipment sales, jump up and down or wave a big hand. The pro bidders have a gesture that the spotters know. touch tip of your nose for a split second, wink... a split second nod...If you know who is bidding, you know how high he may/may not go... and your going to take this stuff home and sell it. They used to send me when I was 16 and 18 years old..no one would guess that I could be the bidder when the bidding is in the $20,000+ range.

and the life is something I just love.. start the day at dawn looking at equipment, then have breckfast, hotdogs with 'crout and coffee. YEA... stand around all day and people ask you, "what's this going to bring" you say.."tell you after the sale" Then listen to the Auctioneer "sing" (run the sale)

They are performers. I love Jack Lyons sales... he's up and jumping around...He has his phrases like "Come on I gota get home to milk cows" (yea right he travels by pvt jet) Or
sssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhssssshhhhhing the croud to get them back to his bidding... when they award a bid he yells stuff like "SOLD, GO'N TO NEW YORK!" "SoLD GO'N TO TEXAS" He knows who you are and why you buy... if it rain's he's got men who run out and give you a free rain coat......with is name on them ;) Guys yelling, money move'n, men dealing.. travel, excitment.. makes E-Bay look like an on line yard sale.

[Sarah]

I have to agree with GrannySyl, wallsOstone, & WileyCoyote.

But we are 'stuck'. Most of our sales are via eBay. They have the market. The other or alternate auction sites, as well as our own site do not generate squat. feeBay (our name for them) is where people go to search for things.

We even went so far as to have our products cheaper at the alternate sites, and we tell folks so, but it does not matter. When people are trying to find something, everybody tries on feeBay.

I am no better, for some things that I am to search for are ONLY on feeBay.

Sarah

[ryanmercer]

It's not just the sellers revolting. Some of us buyers have had it also. :-[

I will not use PayPal. I personally know of several people that have been over charged & then given the run around while trying to resolve the problem.

If I cannot pay for a purchase with a U.S. Postal Service money order, then I'm not going to buy it.

So now that (starting in late Oct.) they will require that all sellers, and therefore, all buyers use PayPal, I'm out of there.

I also hate thier new format. It appears that some sellers are listed in a preferential manner.

Due to the very rural area that I live in, and my husbands poor health, driving to the nearest large town, is simply not practical. *So, I will miss the convience,but, I will not be bullied.

I guess it's time to subscribe to a few mail order catalogs.




4 or 5 Christmases ago... I was very hard up for money, I had to sell something I really didn't want to part with, at all for around $1500 so I could pay bills...

Paypal seized the funds the day they were deposited... they released them to me 17 months later. Fortunately I had the money market thing set up, so I at least got interest on it.

The person that sent it to me also had their account seized and it had money in it too, we became friends in our fight to get our funds back. Turns out that he had received money on a sale of his on eBay, that was from a stolen account... (a handful of other people that he had sold to or bought from were also among us in the seizing/freezing). There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people out there with identical stories.

[zachweiss]

Ebay was reasonable long enough for people to get the hang of it......kinda like a drug dealer, giving you a free sample and then sticking it to ya!

Now that there are millions of people out there who make their full income online, Ebay can throw their weight around and do whatever they please!

I sell ALOT of books on ebay and I like paypal.....but I would like the option of paying or being paid with Cash / Check / Money Order......it's just something about being told " YOU CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE" that people don't like!

ALSO, Ebay owns paypal and they make a percentage of each transaction - they dont make a dime if people pay by cash, check or money order!

[Buck]

I've noted a real drop in the items for sale in the areas I watch on
ebay. A REAL drop!

I wonder if this drop is the leading edge of the mass desertion of ebay
by sellers & customers. Could be.........

[TheUnboundOne]

Dear Forum Members,

After a week of not even getting watchers of my items, I withdrew every bit of my items from eBay and, with approval of Oliver, I will be posting them on the BHM Forum. If I can get access to my PayPal account, I'll be taking everything out. I'll keep my accounts dormant in case there's a coup within the eBay organization and it sets things right, but until then, they're not getting any more fees from me.

[bassntrout]

eBay isn't the same. They give too much preference to buyers-- I buy and sell. I feel as though they forgot what they were about. I use craigslist more now.

[colby1979]

after their last california style antigun "safety measures" i decided to ONLY use egay as a last resort.

[TheUnboundOne]

Dear colby1979,

You wrote:

after their last california style antigun "safety measures" i decided to ONLY use egay as a last resort.

I have always been bothered by eBay's anti-gun sentiments too, but never thought that there were other choices out there.

Just so you know also, I'm sure that all the Pink Pistols chapters throughout the nation don't like "egay's" anti-gun policies either.

;D

Pink Pistols
http://www.pinkpistols.org/

[ryanmercer]

after their last california style antigun "safety measures" i decided to ONLY use egay as a last resort. *

Dear colby1979,

You wrote:


I have always been bothered by eBay's anti-gun sentiments too, but never thought that there were other choices out there.

Just so you know also, I'm sure that all the Pink Pistols chapters throughout the nation don't like "egay's" anti-gun policies either.

;D

Pink Pistols
http://www.pinkpistols.org/




http://www.gunbroker.com

[TheUnboundOne]

Dear Ryanmercer,

Much obliged for providing the link. I have heard about Gun Broker before, but haven't yet had occasion to use it.

(And like Claire Wolfe says: "...Yet!")

;D

[ryanmercer]

Dear Ryanmercer,

Much obliged for providing the link. *I have heard about Gun Broker before, but haven't yet had occasion to use it. *

(And like Claire Wolfe says: "...Yet!")

;D



Good site, a lot of the local shops around here sell and buy on it (mostly sell the stuff that not many people are interested in, in hops of tapping a wider base and finding someone that might want it)

Just like ebay though you can find deals, and complete rip-offs. I've been on the site since it was brand-new (just like ebay) and have yet to have a single issue with it, unlike ebay.

[gregabob]

I've sold some stuff on e-bay, including a pressure washer to a buyer in Mexico, and been happy so far. But I will not sell there anymore after they refuse to allow cash or money order purchases. I'm going to stick to local free ads and try Craigslist....

[pinetree64]

I like EBAY and Paypal but you just need to know what something is worth and not get caught up in the frenzy. For instance gold and silver is through the roof. Buying direct from suppliers like Kitco is much cheaper. I like having a word-wide market to sell my silver in gold - EBAY has really increased the liquidity. Most of my purchases have have been slip joint pocket knives and I am quit pleased with the prices. I have sold ammo, knives, holsters on other forums and accepted PayPal simple and easy.

[fnfredux]

Ebay... I go way back to almost the beginning, it was GREAT...then. I was a buyer and I have a number of really valuable items I bought cheap.
Then I decided to try selling, it WAS like a dream come true. I could go to an auction/yard sale/ thrift store and buy STUFF, some I kept, some I sold on ebay and I was actually making money (not a whole lot) doing what I loved to do ANYWAY.
Then they bought PayPal and that was the end for me.
They did that one dollar or less into YOUR bank acct thing.
Now I used to be (20 years ago) in financial services and I KNOW that what they were looking to do was be given permission to do business in MY bank acct.
That was the end of selling on ebay for me, buying? I got burnned TWICE and ebay did NOTHING. First time I got my money back because I filed complaints with authorities. Second time NOTHING, the guy was a sleeze, period.
Ebay is FINALLY getting what it worked so hard to acheive, both buyers and HONEST sellers want nothing more to do with them.
Ebay FORGOT the basic premise, buyers/serllers get together without, that is WITHOUT *a middleman.