The never ending "Guns save lives" thread

[farmboy]

I am hoping everyone will keep this thread going by adding their own personal, local or even national stories you have read where lives were saved with a gun. I thought of this due to the recent case where a man kidnapped a woman from a Walmart and killed her, stole her car and went on a crime spree. Probably the only reason he was caught before he killed again was a store worker shot him when he tried to rob an RV park. The cops arrested him at the hospital.

My first story is from when I was about 10 years old and it really had a big influence on me about our right to own guns.

It was a dark and stormy night. ::) No really. There was a pretty heavy snowstorm going on and it was the middle of the night. A family I knew from school and church were all asleep in their house in the sticks about five miles from my house.
They were awakened by a crashing sound and the father went to investigate. Someone was chopping thru their front door with an axe! He grabbed his shotgun and stood by the door. He yelled at the man to stop and warned him he had a gun and would shoot. But the maniac kept smashing at the door. (Sounds like "The Shining" but I swear it's true)
The axe was coming thru the door and there was no chance of the cops getting there in time so he fired the 12 ga. thru the door. Well that stopped him.
I don't know when anyone went looking for the guy, I'm pretty sure they were not inclined to go outside in a blizzard and look for a nut with an axe but I do know the cops got there eventually and found nothing.
But in the spring when the snow melted they did find a body near the highway nearby and assumed that was the axe-maniac.

who's next?

farmboy

[bigjack]

This one happened outside Atlanta not long ago.
Score one, I mean two for the good guys.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/26/store.shooting.ap/index.html

[freezit]

I do not have a personal story to add, but I will share my plans for myself on this subject.

I know absolutely zip about guns.
I work for an agency where I deal with alot of drug addicts and people who are at the end of their rope. Alot of these people have served time in prison. There are times when I have been alone with the client and in their home. Unprotected.

I will be taking a self defense class and purchasing a gun in the very near future. I will have a permit to carry this gun with me.

Hopefully I will never have a story to share, but if it should come around I want to be ready to protect myself.

[terranaught]

aside from running off trespassers the only time I needed a gun I didn't have one.

I was at the laundry mat and out side doing maintainance on my truck. one hundred yards away there is a deliveryman sitting in his truck eating lunch/doing paperwork,a punk rides up on a bicycle from behind, puts a revolver to the mans head and drops his thumb and rides off,the man never knew.
I was hideing behind my truck hopeing the punk would not see me.
after he left I caled 911 and gave a good decription.

I think now I would have got in the truck and run him over.

I rarley go unarmed becauss of that incident.

[jim]

I read back in the mid70's that some cretin attempted to rob a grocery store, and the help wasn't fast enough handing over the money, so he aimed at the clerk and pulled the trigger on his .32 auto. Misfire, and he did it twice more with the same results. The bozo then looked down the barrel and pulled the trigger, and it worked that time. The employees were still laughing when the cops got there.

I used to be bad about firing warning shots. Once when on leave from the army, my granny was having trouble with some sort of prowler, so I waited there one night with my .45 auto and waited until he came around shinning his flashlight in the windows. I ran outside and put one over his head. The top fence wire hummed like a piano wire when he flew across it.

Another time, our house had been broken into a few days before, and I caught a guy trying to come in a back window. I didn't want to deal with the law, so I put a .44 Spl. round about three inches from his left ear and watched him hit Warp One before he cleared the back yard.

[ozarksnick]

Here's another article to add to this thread. (http://2theadvocate.com/stories/021705/new_woman001.shtml)

Here's a snippet:


A Clinton woman fired her pistol at a man who lunged at her in the darkness of her home Wednesday morning, then survived a severe beating as the intruder tried to wrestle the gun from her hands.

"I didn't know if I hit him or not," Georgia Belle Sullivan recalled later Wednesday. "He grabbed me, and we went to the floor and we struggled for a while. He was trying to get the gun away, because he kept saying, 'I want your money, and I want your gun.' "

The man, Arthur Sanford, 44, died from a single gunshot wound to the chest, East Feliciana Parish Sheriff Talmadge Bunch said.

"After she shot him, he fought her until he died," Bunch said.

[monkeyman]

A few years ago when I lived in the city I heard a comotion out front and went to check thinking someone was messing around the van and saw the guy across the road who lived with his blind brother run into his house and slam the door persued by about 12 'men' with clubs who proceded to kick in the door. He tried to get out a window as they came in the door and they dragged him into his yard and 12 on 1 with him unarmed and them all armed went to work on him in his front yard. I grabbed the SKS and threw the phone to dw and told her to call 911 as I went out on the pourch. I called out for them to back off as I racked a round into the chamber and aimed at the nearest one and they scattered like roaches when the lights come on. The poliece arived 45 min to 1 hour later. Had it waited for the police the coroner would have had one more to deal with. Turnes out they were after him since thier teens had been shooting fireworks at the man and his brother as they sat on thier own pourch so after asking them several times to stop to no avail he waived a hammer over his head as he asked from 20 feet away or better so then they went after him for threatening thier kids.


Was helping a girl get away from an abusive boyfriend with a record and warnts that went on for days. He had already kidnapped her and she escaped. He found out where she was and came after her with a few friends. He broke out a window and was trying to get in with his friends behind him untill they saw 4 gun barrels point at them and heard them cock at which time his reinforcements disapeared followed quickly by him.

Just a couple from my own life.

[farmboy]

Good stories. I'm going to add another to keep it going.

This was from one of those TV shows like "Most shocking 911 calls" but they had the actual tape.

The 911 operator gets a call and it's a little boy about 10. He says there's a man chasing us in the house with a knife. He says his sisters have locked themselves in their room and he and his brother are in their room but you can here the guy banging on the door.
Everything sounds real frantic and then you hear Bang, Bang. The 911 operator freaks out and asks what happened and the little boy calmly says, "Its OK, my brother shot him." I think he was about 12 and luckily he had a .22 in the closet and knew how to use it.
I tell you that tape is really scary. You expect to here 4 kids getting stabbed to death, but it's a happy ending. 8)

farmboy

[Bad_Company]

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050226/APN/502260554&cachetime=3&template=dateline

Good one.

[Bad_Company]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=33147

And another.

[Bad_Company]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_2587783

This may be a long thread.

[fredusa]

Several publications list each month of stories much like these. NRA mags, the Rifleman, and the Hunter(??), both have them. Great reading!
And, of course, a BUMP.

[Bad_Company]

93-year-old cop still has it in him
Retired Oakland police officer fends off would-be robbers with 62-year-old gun


http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_2597276And another.

[Bad_Company]

Man kills pit bull attacking woman, child at rural yard

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050304/APN/503040881

There's a bunch of them out there, You'd think that more people would notice.

[Bad_Company]

Store clerks fight back with guns

Killing in robbery is 2nd in less than a week

MELISSA MANWARE

Staff Writer

In January, the Gebrehiwot family buried a relative killed in a robbery at one of their three Charlotte convenience stores.

Today, they are dealing with a different kind of tragedy. A family member shot and killed a man police said held up one of their stores late Wednesday night.

"It's not good to take somebody's life," said Aron Gebrehiwot, whose brother killed the armed robber. "But you do what you have to do.

"It would have been us or him, like last time. We just buried my uncle a little while ago."

Thursday morning, Gebrehiwot opened the Midtown Food Mart II on Berryhill Road, where the shooting happened the night before. He had not yet seen his brother, or father -- who'd been working in the store cooler when the gunman came in.

"I am (afraid)," Gebrehiwot said. "But this is the way we pay our bills. What else can I do?"

Wednesday's fatal shooting marks the second time in less than seven days that a Charlotte store clerk shot and killed a suspected robber.

Police say these types of shootings are rare and dangerous for the store employee. They advise clerks to cooperate during a robbery.

Gebrehiwot's uncle -- who is actually his father's cousin -- died Jan. 20. Mehretab Woldeghebriel, 50, had been hospitalized since Jan. 2, when he was shot by a man trying to rob the Midtown Food Mart at Shamrock and Eastway drives. Nobody has been charged in his death.

Gebrehiwot said the family keeps a gun at each of its stores and has since before his uncle was killed. Police would not say whether Woldeghebriel had tried to use the gun when he was held up.

Gebrehiwot said none of the store guns had been fired during a robbery before Wednesday.

Just before 11 p.m., a man walked into the Berryhill Road store and demanded money at gunpoint, police said.

After the robbery, the clerk, whose name police did not release, followed him to the parking lot. That's when the shooting happened, police spokesman Keith Bridges said.

Capt. Sean Mulhall said officers found 26-year-old Jamie Mareno lying outside the store. He would not say how many times Mareno had been shot or whether he had fired his weapon.

Police found a gun outside the store, which they believe belonged to Mareno, Mulhall said.

On Friday, police said a clerk at the $29.99 Shoe Warehouse on East Sugar Creek Road fired back at three armed robbers, killing one and injuring another.

Police have charged two people in that case, but are still searching for one of them.

One of three suspects, 27-year-old Nathan Cuthbertson, was shot in the doorway of the shoe store and later died. Melvin Lewis Baylor, 19, was arrested Wednesday after he was released from Presbyterian Hospital.

Seventeen-year-old Trisco Danard McFarland, who police believe fired shots during the robbery and then carjacked two men to escape, has not been arrested. Police have warrants for him.

A .357 Magnum used in the shoe store robbery is among 16 stolen in a Jan. 25 robbery at a Charlotte pawn shop, a spokesman with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Thursday. Nobody has been charged in that case, so the ATF released few details.

Both police and retail industry watchers say the safest practice is for stores to do all they can to prevent robberies and for clerks to cooperate when they do happen.

"If you have a weapon, there is a possibility it can be taken and used on you," Charlotte-Mecklenburg police spokesman Keith Bridges said.

Jeff Lenard, a spokesman for the National Association of Convenience Stores, said studies show a person is 47 times more likely to be injured when resisting in a robbery.

His organization helps store owners lessen their chances of becoming a target. They advocate the use of drop safes to reduce the amount of cash available, and they advise improved lighting and removing signs from windows so would-be robbers know there's a better chance someone will see them from outside.

Bridges said store owners and clerks should keep in mind that they could hit an innocent bystander or possibly face charges.

A Mecklenburg district attorney will have to decide whether the shoe warehouse and Wednesday night's killings were justified.

Kebrab Gebrehiwot, whose son shot Mareno, said he hates that it happened.

"He didn't know me and I didn't know him," he said.

"Maybe it was just for the money, a bad time for him. I'm sorry for him."


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[Bad_Company]

Bar owner guns down suspected burglar




http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3060877

Let's keep em' coming.

[Bad_Company]

Shoe-store clerk kills would-be robber


A shoe-store clerk shot to death a man attempting to rob his store Friday, authorities said.

One of the customers, Ramon Lopez, was shopping in the $29.99 Shoe Warehouse with his 4-year-old son just before 4 p.m. when three or four men wearing ski masks came in with guns and announced they were robbing the store.

"It was mad, crazy," Lopez said. "One came to the back and started searching us. I said, `Please don't shoot my son.'"

The robbers started shooting and then the clerk grabbed a gun and fired back, Lopez said. The name of the clerk was not available Friday night.

One of the robbers was hit and fell in the doorway. The others - at least one of whom was hit by gunfire - took a car at gunpoint in a parking lot next door and then fled, Officer Mandy Giannini said.

About 10 people had been in the store.

"The (clerk) did a good job. He saved us," Lopez said. "He saved my kid. He saved our lives."

The man shot in the doorway was rushed to Carolinas Medical Center, where he died, Sgt. Donn Belz said. Another man, who police believe is one of the suspects, showed up at Presbyterian Hospital with a gunshot wound. He was taken to surgery with life-threatening injuries.


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You would think that robbing a shoe store would be a safe alternative to a liquor store but in the words of Gomer Pyle, "surprise, surprise, surprise".

[fredusa]

BadCompany brought up a good point---the local 7-11 store clerk (or Circle K, or whatever---the local "Stop and Rob")-- the cops and the companies advise the clerk to simply acquiesce if confronted by a robber, as "the best way to survive the robbery". A fellow in Phoenix, several years ago, had his store robbed. He was rthe clerk, middle of the night, robber with a gun. He stood back (the clerk), and the robber rifled the register. Robber left the store, began to run, clerk grabbed a large bolt, threw it at the robber, nailed him in the back ogf the head, knocked out the reobber, police came, took robber into custody. Company fired the clerk for violating company poilcy!
I worked at one of these stores, and did a lot of the graveyard shift. I'd lied when I hired in cause I needed the job at the time. Told them I'd do that there police recommendation poo. In reality, since I am trained to take guns and the like away from those bad guys, and, since I think that if I have the weapon during this type of tenseness, I'd have to take away the weapon, if possible, and when the opportunity presents itself. Then I have the upper hand, I survive, and that ass doesn't have the chance to shoot me, eh? Somehow makes better sense to me that I be armed and the robber to be be whimpering "Don't shoot me, man!"

[ChoochCharlie]

Warning. Maybe funnier than the rest.

I got home the other night and my nextdoor neighbor's boyfriend is at my door. Says he needs a flashlight. There is a squirrel acting "funny".
I grab my light and we go investigate. Sure enough, around the corner on the porch is a squirrel, breathing heavy and lookng right at us. I tell him to keep an eye on it and I'll go get my gun. Can't have a squirrel with rabies around the kids or the dogs.
I gather my 22 pistol and emerge from my house to find my friend not at his post.
I knock on the door. It takes him a few seconds to unlock the door. TO UNLOCK THE DOOR. (now is when I laugh) says the squirrel came after him.

Well, I take my gun and the light and find the squirrel on the porch. Use a recycle bin to push him off the porch, didnt want to perforate to porch.
As I'm aiming at his baby head he jumps and comes at me. Bang.

The best part of the story is now my wife wants to learn to shoot. She never wanted to kill an intruder, but a rabid animal, she could do that. ;)

[fredusa]

Hey, 'Charlie, maybe rabies might have granted that quirrel the ability to turn a doorknob, eh? But, if that were the case, it probably would have, also, imparted some lock picking abilities, too!
Good story.

[farmboy]

Guns save lives in Iraq! Some "insurgents" drove into a market area and started shooting randomly from their vehicles. Some shopkeepers had had enough and grabbed their own guns and went out and killed three of them. In this report it said almost every household owns a gun. Sounds like they might start fighting back now against the terrorists.

I heard this one on the radio yesterday so don't have all the facts. An 83 year old woman heard an intruder in her house and grabbed her gun. After wrassling around a bit she shot the creep twice and the cops nabbed him! Go granny, go!

farmboy

[bigjack]

From The Federalist Patriot 4/1/05

If the problem of criminal misuse of firearms was dependent on the availability of guns, research would demonstrate that the prevalence of firearms is directly related to violent gun crimes -- that is, the more guns in an area, the more criminal gun use. However, any such relationship has been refuted by multiple and differing analyses. All studies inevitably lead to this conclusion: The crime problem is not about implements but intentions, and intent is inexorably defined by culture.

Guns as implements are irrelevant to the criminal mindset that must perforce precede the decision to commit violence. To wit, despite Leftmedia folklore, the most violent attack on a school occurred on 18 May 1927 when Andrew Kehoe, a Bath, Michigan, school board member, murdered 45 people, including 38 elementary students -- with a bomb.

Yale researcher John Lott addressed the relationship between gun possession and crime, and concluded his research with the title of his 1998 book, "More Guns, Less Crime." Notably, Lott's research also determined this corollary to be fact: The countries that ban guns have the highest homicide rates. And why is this true? Intended victims are much easier to murder when their government has already disarmed them through gun control laws.

So, what about internal U.S. murder rates tracked against gun access over time? In 1900, the U.S. homicide rate was estimated at 1 per 100,000. In 2003, FBI statistics put the rate at 5.7 per 100,000. But during the 20th Century, gun availability was inversely related to these numbers; nearly anyone could buy and carry a gun in 1900, whereas there were 23,000 federal, state and local restrictions on firearms purchases by the end of the century.

Consider the comparable murder rates in the adjacent states of Massachusetts (very restrictive gun laws), versus Maine and New Hampshire (unrestrictive gun laws). Rates for crimes committed with guns are lower in Maine and New Hampshire than in Massachusetts. Furthermore, cities with the most restrictive gun laws, like Washington, D.C., and Atlanta, Georgia, have the highest murder rates in the nation.

Similarly, U.S. murder rates have trended downward in the last decade as more states have implemented "right to carry" laws, which make the criminal task of choosing unarmed victims more difficult. To paraphrase Thomas Sowell, "Most criminals aren't that stupid; they tend to go where the guns aren't."

The same correlations are in evidence around the world. Nations with the highest per-capita possession of firearms, such as Switzerland (where most households contain at least one "assault weapon" as part of their "well regulated militia") are among those with the lowest murder rates. Conversely, nations like the UK, with the most restrictive gun laws, are now experiencing escalating murder rates. The UK's restrictions on handguns, for example, did not stop a sociopath from slaughtering 16 kindergarteners and their teacher in Dunblane, Scotland, three years before Columbine.

Gun confiscation has never protected anyone. Gun restrictions have not protected citizens in Atlanta, Washington, D.C., New York or Boston, much less anyone in Columbine or Red Lake. Nor did such laws protect Jews from Hitler or Stalin or Chinese peasants from Mao, etc., ad infinitum.

In his Commonplace Book, Thomas Jefferson quotes Cesare Beccaria from his seminal work, On Crimes and Punishment: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Again, no less true today than it has been throughout history.

[fredusa]

Yup, bijack, "when guns are oulawed, only outlaws will have guns." Include me in that outlaw class, cause I'll have some, illegal or not!

[farmboy]

Guns Save Crops!

From Oahu: "Farmers and police say there has been a sharp decline in farm thefts since a suspected thief was shot and killed by a farmer in Kahuku nearly six months ago"

Unfortunately the farmer is going to trial for 2nd degree murder.

farmboy

[Bad_Company]

About a year and a half ago, I was working at a convenience store. I carried a Glock 17 under a fishing vest according to the don't ask, don't tell policy ( thhey didn't ask, I didn't tell) About 2am some bottomfeeder came in with his face covered, hand in his pocket and says "gimme your money,.......Gimme all your F^#ki*g money". I shoot uspsa combat handgun competition. Got my gun up and was looking over it at his baby blues in less than a second. Bottomfeeder set a land speed record getting out of there. I really didn't get a look at him, but I had a hunch which group of bottomfeeders he came from so I showed the tape to all of them. Message sent message received. The rest of the time I worked the graveyard shift there several other stores got robbed, but not me.

[fredusa]

Whooopsie---this thread got too far down the list! A bump without comment okay? Good!

[txanne63]

Farmboy,
I have told this story before--but here goes-
When I was off grid--there was a move of meth cookers and crack dealers to the very rural area I lived in.

My nearest neighbor was about 6miles down a single lane dirt road---my 80 y/o house sat back about a hundred foot from the road--I had been there about 6yrs. when the dealers started moving in---One nite i heard a vehicle--light-out coming down the road--it woke me out of a sound sleep--as being alone my survival instincts always took over.I got up and pick up 20ga. Mossburg-had my marlin 22 also--but prefer the 20 ga -within a few minutes gun fire erupted--at least one 9mm,an ak and shotgun--now the old house was built out of home milled 2-21/2 in. boards--well seasoned after 80 yrs.This pld house soaked up bullet after bullet--I crawled to the back door(had a plan along time before this happened---no lights of course---adrenaline pumping-out to a dry creek a good 4 ft. deep--I remember firing all my runs in the shot-gun--i dont remember much till later--i crawled down the dry creek for a long time--heard voices then the van drove off-I fully prepare to kill any one that came after me---but i knew every inch of the 50 acs and they didnt--good thing--I had a fanny pk. i used to carry ammo for the 20,22 and an old 410 single shot--I didnt realize i had snapped it on---thats the practise and planning---
The next morn--I walked thur the woods to neighbors and called cops--I was scratched up from the Yupons but ok--they caught them--the LEO'S knew who they were,they had benn trying to set up a raid and the bad guys tipped their hand--the reason for coming after me--they thought I was a planted narc--geeezzzz==they got 20yrs for the dope,stolen weapons and terroist acts as they had threated an officer--
I stayed out there,but sleep in a half moon cow feeder--for a few nites---ohhh BTW the meth lab burned to the ground--they had moved a trailer house on a family members property--NO I didnt do it--but it was a mysterious fire.
Weapons-youbet. I have since up-graded-but stay practised up with the old Mossburg--I practise 6ft tall and chest high--no lets just wound them shots for me--this old lady knows the bad guy is serious too.
Thanks for this thread--annie

[knight88]

Guns DO save lives.. My wife was taking the trash out one evening at dusk when 15 illegals rushed at her out of the brush, she told them to halt 3 times, finally as they neared the 21 foot point she fired a .38 special into the ground in front of the leader, they whole group decided that the red headed lady was NOT a victim after all and left at a run. Border patrol picked them up within minutes. The sheriff's deputy investigating told her she should not be out after dark, wife laughed at him and explained to him that it's her ranch and she will NOT be held hostage by a bunch of punks.. amazing very few illegals for about 2 months.. ???

[jim]

The lady has now passed on, but 30 years ago when she lived a few houses down, someone tried to enter her country home in the middle of the night. She warned him to "Git or get shot!" and he didn't listen. She put a .38 Spl. round right above the doorknob, and he left howling. The deputies followed the blood trail until it disappeared down the road. They never did find out who it was, but she never had any other problems either.

Annie get some slugs for that 20 gs. They'll zip right through most vehicles, and are a terrible thing to face.

[fredusa]

jim, you said 20 guage slugs are a terrible thing to Face? Aren't they also a terrible thing to Race?
Let's keep this thread going!

[fredusa]

Many years ago I read an article in some gun magazine---most likely Guns and Ammo. One of the big name gun guys of the time, perhaps Skeeter Skelton, told us of his wifes experience while driving a long lonely stretch of American West hwy.
As she was driving along, very little traffic to bother with, almost suddenly there was a car with several young men in it, and these guys started the old harrassment things : Pulling up along side, shouting things, making gestures, etc, even feinting their car toward hers---all moves made to, at least intimidate the lonely woman in the car! Who knows what may have happened?
But, this lady simply took the revolver from her glove box, rolled down her window, resting her gun hand on the cars window sill, and pointing the weapon at these young thugs. Yeehaw, suddenly the cocky looks turned to panic and the vehicle sped off at very high speed, never to be seen by this lady again!
Does the heart proud, doesn't it?

[jim]

Yep. A buddy was coming back from a deer hunt in East Texas, and two guys in a car thought he looked like easy pickings since he's somewhat slight of build. They picked the wrong guy, because Mr. "S" is a stone killer if I ever saw one. They did all the same things as mentioned in the story above. Mr. "S" raised his Remington 1875 replica in .357 and let them get a good look at it, and they decided other places were more fun to be.

[fredusa]

Ain't it great??

[jim]

The uncle of a friend was in an urban area of Houston, and a carload of youths pulled up alongisde at a stop light and started threatening him. The uncle never looked at them, but did lay the barrel of a .357 on the door frame with the window down. They left.

[fredusa]

In this same vein :
(Oh, BTW, this is a second hand story-perhaps even further removed, so take it with a grain of salt)
A fellow from out in the sticks is driving around in his pickup, apparently coming back from a deer hunting outing. As he approached a railroad crossing, the lights started flashing so he stopped. A few seconds later a car pulls along side----same scenario---a bunch of dudes believing themselves to be "bad" started the old harrassment stuff. The old farmer type told them he thought the were being stupid and assinine (probably not in those words, of course) at which point the words turned to threats from the carfull of punks. Old farmer dude had his Winchester 94 unloaded, but upfront with him. Calmly, he leaned over, picked it up, and began insertting rounds into the magazine. The looks of disdain from the next car began to change! The caboose approaching, the old fella rolled down his window, pointed the muzzle toward the other car, chambering a round as he did so.
As the caboose passed, the other car seemed to have become a dragster, leaving at a really quick acceleration!

[fredusa]

OOOpppsss! The never ending thread nearly passed from page one. This would be the beginning of the end of the neverending1 Can't let that happen!

[sluggermn]

I was living in Minneapolis,mn on the south end of the city, a really bad neighborhood and one night I heard a noise so i got up and discovered some one trying to get in the door of my up stairs apartment. I did the only natural thing and grabbed the 12 gauge single shot break open shotgun my dad gave me for protection and started sneeking down the stairs in my skivvies.... about half way down the stairs I thought to my self this is foolish what am I thinking, so I stopped and quietly opened the gun up and snapped it shut real loud.
the rattiling of the doorknob stopped instantly and no one was seen when I peeked thru the curtain on the door. funny but I never had a problem with intruders ever again. ( they never even tried to break into my car either... hummmmm wonder why??)

[farmboy]

"assault" weapons save lives.

Yes, that's right, there was no surge in crimes and murders as predicted after the ban was lifted. In fact, murders DROPPED by 3.6%. In the 7 states that have there own "assault" weapons bans murders only dropped 2.4% and actually rose in three of those states.

Where's the media now? How come they are not hot on this amazing story that the end of the ban did not create a bloodbath on our streets as predicted?

farmboy

[bigjack]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050710/NEWS01/507100361&template=printpicart

[fredusa]

And a big---no, make that a HUGE---yeeeehawwwww!

[Eagle]

Yep Fred, Bigjack...You Goooooo Gayle!

Good for Him, Good for self-defense!

Keep that neighborhood's break-ins down! : )

Thx for the link, Bigjack!

[Archangel]

The story is an old one, my son had just gotten back that night from Kuwait and he and his wife went to bed early. ::) He heard and noise down stairs, he had just gotten his gun, His wife did not like guns in the house, when the door pooped open. The intruter had a shock, intead of my daughter-inlaw alone, he was facing a man 6'2', bright red hair, with a big ass pistol. The intruder turned running, "Don't shoot, don't shoot." I wish I had a picture of my son running down the street, in CO. with the snow on the ground in his boxers chasing a guy yelling "don't shoot, don't shoot." I was the second person my son called, the police was the first. I agree with his don't shoot choice. It is hard to explain 15 bullet hole in someones back and the clean up is hell.
My daught-in-law is now a fair shot, showing off a playing card with 5 of 6 in it from 20 yards. Yep, she a beliver.

[kestrel_06]

This is a personal story.

!998 I was living in a rough section of Macon, GA over next to Fort Hill. I have a wife and child. I heard a noise outside near my truck and I told my wife to watch the baby I was going to investigate a noise ouside. She thought I was crazy because I grabbed my Ruger P-89 9mm Semi auto and walked out the front door and went around the back of the house. The idiot was in my truck trying to remove the stereo. I walked up behind him and released the slide. This moron turned an ashey shade of wide and whacked his head on the door frame and proceeded into the woods full tilt. That was just once that has happened, that ruger has seen its fair share of perps to scare the color out of. ;D I have since moved to Warner Robins and the crime rate seems to be less here.

[kestrel_06]

I tell one more :D

In 1983, I was out cutting an old oak tree that had been downed by the weather. I was using a chain saw when i felt something blow by me. I figured I had slung a piece of loose wood that had went by from my work. But a moment later I saw an arrow in a tree next to me and it suddenly developed a friend as another hit the same tree while I was looking. I carried a Mini-14 ranch rifle with me with a few rounds in my web gear. I dropped the saw, grabbed the gun and slapped a 30 rd clip into it. I cut loose! Randomly spraying every thing level with me and then reloaded. I heard someone yelling to stop firing and after I got him to walk out, he told me " I thought you were a deer." Deer cutting firewood.

[skinny]

Kestrel,

It's a good thing his aim was as good as his eye sight.

[tufhelp]

C/C to the rescue...

ALBUQUERQUE -- One person was shot and killed and another stabbed inside a Wal Mart store in southeast Albuquerque on Thursday evening.
It all happened around 5:30 p.m. at the store on San Mateo near Zuni. There was mayhem and confusion inside a southeast Albuquerque Wal Mart as employees and shoppers were sent fleeing by the sound of gunfire.

A co-worker says a Wal Mart employee working in the deli was attacked by her ex-husband with a knife.

While the SWAT team surrounded Wal Mart, a woman was brought out on a stretcher. She is now in stable condition at UNM hospital.

“She was telling me she was scared of him,” says Wal Mart employee Billie Jo Chavez. “But we never thought he'd come here and do this to her”.

Police won't confirm what happened next, but witnesses say a customer armed with a gun tried to stop the stabbing.

Witnesses say the customer jumped the counter and shot the attacker multiple times, killing him.

Police have not arrested the shooter who had a concealed carry permit.

[fredusa]

Thanks, Oliver, for pasting this one on top!
Hey, y'all don't let that stop ya from still posting the same kinds of stories---they warm the cockles (what the hell is a cockle, anyway---sounds a bit riske, doesn't it?) of my heart to read them!

[countrymomma]

Come on no posts since the end of August??? I wanna read more!! Tell you what i havent had to shoot anyone or even show em my gun, but you better believe anyone gonna be comin up on my land with bad intentions is gonna end up with a round of lead in his ass.

[jim]

Fred is our resident gunfighter, maybe we can get him to open up with some good ones if they're past the statute of limitations. :o

[Stinger]

:) *You guys are going to love this. *In the past 15 years I’ve had two close calls. The first time I was sitting in my living room, bright and early, on a quiet Sunday morning. All the guns were upstairs in the master bedroom closet. Suddenly the front door opens and in walks a huge, 6’ tall vagrant – filthy dirty, I might add! *

We never exchanged a word! *He had his right hand in his pocket as he came down the hall toward me. I’d just gotten out of the hospital, and was in no condition to defend myself. At exactly that point where I started to say a final prayer, the two Pit Bulldogs I forgot I owned came rushing down the stairs and chased the guy out of the house. (Never saw anybody run backwards that fast in my life!) *

The other time was, about, 8 years later. One evening around 9:00pm my wife was baking cookies; she ran out of milk; so, I volunteered to go to the store for her. As I was walking back to my brand new SUV holding a gallon of milk in one hand and my car keys in the other. I, suddenly, heard very quiet, fast, footsteps coming up behind me in the darkened parking lot. Well, here comes this swarthy looking guy with a medium build up on me, real fast - again with his right-hand inside his pocket. *Instinct told me this couldn’t be a good thing. *

And, ahhh yes, I had left BOTH of my pistols at home! All I had was a real good CRKT fighting knife. I turned at a 3/4 angle to the guy so that he couldn’t see, either, the draw or the weapon. We were about 12’ apart when I snapped the blade open – straight down my leg. Wow! You should have heard the CLICK when that blade locked in. It was a quiet night; and, so help me, it sounded just like a gunshot. That fellow actually froze in mid-step with one foot barely touching the ground! A long pregnant pause followed with me staring at him; and him staring at me. *

Finally, he stammered, ‘Are you Dominic?’ I simply answered, ‘Nope!’ He said he was looking for a guy he’d never met that he was supposed to meet there. I never moved and continued to fix him with my eyes. The next thing I know, he suddenly goes into a, ‘stupid clown act’. He turns around, began talking silly, and waved his arms in the air as he walked away. *

This is the last time in my life I have, ever, gone out at night without at least one gun – Even it is, only, my front left pocket Tom Cat. * ;D *

[Gringo]

This is my first post here, but this reminds me of when I lived in Pheonix Az. in the mid 70's. Lived in an apatment building with a walkway between 2 sets of apartments. There was a laundry room in the back. about the middle of the walkway there was an alcove that was pitch black because an overhead lite was out.
As I was coming back from the laundry I gat a bad feeling coming up to the darkest part of the walkway. Just as I got to it a black man came at me from my right side, I had a bottle of Wisk in my hand and jammed it into his throat, all happened in a second. The bottle cap is about the size of a .45 auto. I asked him"can I help you?" "No" he stammered, "looking for somebody else". I said "damn right" and continued on my way to my apart. and called the cops. You should have seen the look in his eyes. I don't even know why I did that, just happened.

[snuffy]

:) :) :)
On the subject but a humorous story:
Long ago I was in the Army in N. Japan. Good times!!
I was courting a young Japanese Jo-san at the same time another GI was. He was an MP and so I was told very jealous of her. He made threats to friends that I heard about but I continued to see her as she was fine!
Late one night, I was walking back to the cab stand after a date with her, when I passed a very dark alley.
I heard the sound(there's no other like it) of a pump shot gun being racked.
My life didn't pass in front of me but some things passed through my shorts!!
After the longest two seconds of my life, I heard some drunken giggles. There was my best friend with one of those collapsible umbrellas that when cycled, open & closed sounded just like a pump.
Man, I never lived that down or did I forget it! If you have one of them, try it in a dark room. It still makes the hair on my neck stand up. True story!
Your friend,
Snuffy

[nancy1340]

I have a friend that is about 5"3" and maybe 106 lbs. She had ridden her Softtail to a cafe to meet some friends for dinner one night. As she was taking off her helmet a AA (African American) the was walking across the parking lot said " That's a awlful big bike for such a little lady" and started walking toward her. She knelt down beside the bike as she was getting into her saddle bags told him "Don't come any closer". He laughed untill she pulled her hand out of the bag and it's wasn't empty! He then said "Oh yea like you'd shoot me". She asked him if he really wanted to find out? Of course he started the "White Bitch" speal but as he was walking quickley away. ;D

[bigjack]

Alleged stalker confronts pair, is shot and killed

By ARIEL HART
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/16/05
A man who was allegedly stalking his ex-girlfriend was shot and killed by the woman's new boyfriend after he confronted the pair at a Fulton County apartment, police said.

Fulton County police spokesman Gary Syblis said the 35-year-old ex-boyfriend, who was not identified, approached the man and the woman as they were arriving home after midnight Friday at the Stratford Apartments on Glenridge Drive.

The former boyfriend pulled out a gun, prompting the current boyfriend to draw his own gun and shoot him in the head, Syblis said. The man was pronounced dead at the scene.

A neighbor heard the shots and called police.

The ex-girlfriend told police that "apparently he's been stalking her for some time, aggressively stalking and making threats against her," Syblis said Saturday.

He said he did not know the names of the ex-girlfriend and the other man.

[rassd71]

I'm not sure if this is right for this thread or not. But Snufy's Japan story reminded me of it. When I was in the 8th grade, I chased EVERY girl I knew. And one was a beautiful fillipina named Melissa. One night I asked her out a dance and things went great. So, being a gentleman, I walked her home. As we came through the front gate of her yard, her front door came flying open. And there screaming on the porch was her father with, what at the time seemed the largest shotgun ever. He racked it as he screamed in tagalog. I pivoted on my heels and began to run as I opened the gate it disapeared, blown apart beside me. Now I was a short fat kid at the time, I'm a taller heavier adult now. But I ran the 3 miles from her house to mine in record time! He fired two more shots as I ran down the street.
The next day Melissa told me that her 16 year old, older sister had just told her parents she was pregnant from her whit boyfriend! So, I can understand the reaction.
But I also have a different perspective on the sound of a pump being racked. As someone else on here once said... 'it sounds like the gates of hell opening'.

[farmboy]

If you don't have a gun maybe a bicycle will work.

A 20 year old man went whacky and stabbed three people at a bus stop. Another man grabbed a bike and used it to pin the nut down until police arrived. All three victims survived.

Somebody should have had a gun!. Now we have to pay for the idiot to sit in jail or a mental ward. ::)

farmboy

[AARTY]

Hi all,
Well I have been around firearms my entire life and also know first hand the benefits of owning them. Prior to joining the Army I had gotten into an accident and needed cash quickly to pay for the damages so I had to sell my two pistols and one of my hunting rifles. After I had gotten to Ft. Bragg and got settled in (a week) I was sent on deployment down south. While I was out the apartment complex we lived in was getting a rash of burglaries and breakins. My wife at the time was a cops daughter and her and a friend went to a gun show there in fayetteville and she picked out a hand gun Taurus Mid65 .38/357. She wanted something that she could keep in the nightstand. Anyway, she had gone to bed and had heard something at the back door so she calls the police and then gets my 4D maglite and her revolver and as she is on the phone with the 911 operator this guy gets the backdoor open but he can't see my wife. the operator tells her the the patrolmen jus tpulled in and that the were approaching the apartment so she shines this guy in the face, he starts to head out the door and the cops hit him like a frieghttrain! this isn't the only fun and games we had at this complex, but I'll put that in another post.

[Lupine]

Here's something to ponder.

Since I first took an interest in firearms for personal/home protection, I've found that firearms save lives even when they're locked away in their safes.

Here's why, at least in my case. I've taken a few courses, both lecture and on the range, and have done some reading up on legalities, statistics, etcetera etcetera.

I think many might agree that most people who have taken the time to properly use a firearm for self defense has also considered other ways to prevent things from ever getting to the point of needing deadly force, i.e. being more self-aware, more alert, more careful about one's surroundings.

And yeah, self-confident. Not that having a gun makes one a (insert petite cough) "man", but knowing that one can and should take responsibility for his/her safety is a big thing.

So though I don't have a first-hand "GSL" story, I also have fewer "Gee, Lupy, that was a stupid situation to put yourself in" stories.

If that counts. If it doesn't, I've got a few "Big Red Baseball Bats Save Lives" stories, or "Crazy Redhead With Fuzzy Flip Flops and a Mean Holler" stories.

[jim]

Ya know, a few crazy redhead stories might be a real hoot. :o

jim

[fredusa]

Hey, jim, you called ME (?) the "resident gunfighter"??
Have you seen the movie "Tombstone"? In it Wyatt Earp and Doc Holiday were discussing gambling. Wyatt says something like, "But you said playing cards is NOT gambling." Holiday answers, "No, Wyatt, I said playing 'Pokah' is not gambling!" Meaning, if you are good, and use all the advantages available to you, poker is not gambling, since the good player will ALWAYS have the advantage!
Frankly, when I was earning money via the gun, I was invariably in a position of extreme advantage! Can't call poker gambling, can't call what I did "gunfighting"!

The rest of you? Don't ask! ;)

[jim]

Well... experience does count for something, even if it wasn't within "breath tradin" distance.

An interesting but sad thing happened on Haloween in Austin. A young U.T. student had been the victim of car theft the week previous, and it seems that he was targeted by two other young Hispanic men. The victim called 911 and said that two men were breaking into his apartment. The cops were on the scene five minutes later (Normal time 15-30 mins) and the student had just got shot as they pulled into the parking lot. The two young assailants were viewed running from the scene. The police seem to feel he was targeted for a specific reason, but are not giving out any info. If he'd been armed and used it, then he'd be alive today.

jim

[edward_4576]

And yet again...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9982384/

[Stinger]

:o Wow! Now that's a really scary story. Very lucky lady!

[annabella1]

Just heard a story on the radio didn't hear where it happend, but it was a home invasion. Husband and wife at home. 2 young punks, wife pretended to faint as a distraction. hubby grabbed unloaded squirril gun. Punks ran like crazy.

[fredusa]

Hear here, anabella!
Y'all may, also, want to read the magazines of the NRA The Rifleman and The Hunter, I think) they always have a column on this very subject! Some of us don't have these subscriptions, so those of y'all who do, hey, just keep us updated right here, eh?

[farmboy]

The story from Annabella reminded me of one that happened near me. No guns but firewood.

An older couple woke up and heard a noise in their house. They met the intruder by the fireplace. One of them whacked him with a log and the other finished him off with the poker. It actually said in the paper that he was whimpering on the floor when the cops got there and complaining they beat him up. ;D


farmboy

[fredusa]

That's funny, farmboy!
And today is 01/30/06. Last post, farmbys was on 11/22/05! That's 69 days, guys! This is supposed to be the "never ending..." thread, eh? Let\'s keep it "never ending", okay?

[StephiLou]

My story happened when I was 12 or 13. *My older sister had divorced her no good husband. *The week before, he had hidden in her house while she was at work and waited for her when she got home. *When she came in the door and turned on the light, it didn't come on so she started backing out. *She turned to run and he was on her in the front yard. *This is the one time I will say Thank God for nosy old lady neighbors. *She called the police. *

In the mean time, x-BIL had my sister in the front yard and had beat her head in with the butt of a rifle and was using it to rape her. *Some cops showed up, but waited for him to finishe because their district ended at the beginning of the block. *By the time the cops with juridiction show, he was long gone. *Checked himself into the nuthouse. *Sister was in a Coma for 3 months and was never able to have kids.

About 3 weeks after this happened, X-BIL showed up at our house. *My parents were at the hospital, and I was home with my younger sister. *Our next door neighbor had brought over his shotgun after hearing what had happened to my sister. *I called 9-1-1 and the dispatcher said to "shoot his a$$ then drag him in the door" ;) *Well, he kicked the door in and came face to face with me and the shotgun. *He dared me to shoot him, so I fired. *I missed and for some reason when he ran out the door, he ran to our backyard instead of to his car in the driveway. ??? *Anyway, I think the other neighbor's dog had something to do with that. *She was very overprotective of us and knew who was supposed to be there, and who wasn't.

So, I ran in the backyard after him and the dog and I cornered him. *He informed me that he was going to kick my A$$ like he did my sister's, so, I shot him again. *This time I blew his hand off. *I was aiming for his johnson, but he got the point.

To this day, when I see him out somewhere, I make a little gun with my pointer finger and thumb and smile. *He turns and goes the other way :-* * It's a good thing he didn't know that the dog that sounded like she was going to tear him up didn't have any teeth! *They had been kicked out by her previous owner! * :D

Steph

By the way, the dispatcher who told me to shoot him them drag him back in got fired. It happened to be one of the first calls that was recorded. :(

[bigjack]

Good going Steph! You made just one mistake though, you blew his hand off instead of his head!- Jack

[jim]

Good going Steph!

[fredusa]

That old "story" of "shoot him then drag him into your house" is such a crock! Made up and perpetuated by folks who, apparently, have never been to a courthouse, a trial, nor and indictment!
But, be that as it may, I'll shoot in self defense, or in the defense of a third party. Due to my training and background I have to keep a few things in mind, such as, "was shooting the last resort?" etc. But I also have that old western adage in mind at all times :
"Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six."

Good advice to anyone!

[guard]

+Once he has fled the attack scene, you are not allowed to pursue"with deadly intent. When you fired the second time, while under no theat, it was attempted murder, worth about 10 years actual prison time served. So you got off very light.

[STRIKER]

After reading just two of guard's posts, I put my revolver to my head and pulled the trigger.

It misfired.

Once again a gun has saved a life. :-/

[guard]

u TRY shooting somebody who has broken off his attack, and see where you end up, dummy.

[STRIKER]

After reading just two of guard's posts, I put my revolver to my head and pulled the trigger.

It misfired.

Once again a gun has saved a life. :-/


Read two more. I will now chew through my wrist.

[rassd71]

u TRY shooting somebody who has broken off his attack, and see where you end up, dummy.

It's funny you openly advocate breaking the law in so many ways, yet seem squeemish about this?

Oh, and as for the old way of shoot outside and drag em in. That's what my dad was told by the Sheriff in North Dakota when he first moved there. And I know of at least one case where that's what happened. BUT, that was also 40 years ago. Times have changed, now the criminal has more rights than the homeowner.

Except in Texas, where it's legal to shoot someone on your property after dark, IF you suspect they may be a thief.

Another thing to LOVE about Texas!

[guard]

I aint squeamish about anything. I know what I'd do, and I know what I'd have to do THEN, too, you don't. :-) I'd be in the wind within minutes, but I know how to make and get fake Id, how to make 10k a week cash off the books, how to get to other countries, how to make grenades, AP handgun ammo, silencers, etc. Do you?

[jim]

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllll lllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppphhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

::)
jim

[fastmover]

Yeah I watched the movie Lord of war too *::)

[rassd71]

I aint squeamish about anything. I know what I'd do, and I know what I'd have to do THEN, too, you don't. :-) I'd be in the wind within minutes, but I know how to make and get fake Id, how to make 10k a week cash off the books, how to get to other countries, how to make grenades, AP handgun ammo, silencers, etc. Do you?

give it a break. you have no idea who I am, and the more you talk, the more you show that you are not who you claim to be. Those who are, don't talk about it, and those who talk about it, are not. I've tried to offer you good advice and to welcome you to the forum, instead you spew more garbage.

This thread is about 'Guns save lives'...

So, I'll relate an old story of mine. I was young and choose poorly in who I my friends were. Well, one night while out running around, I was with a group of friends in a bowling alley pool hall in Portland. And a group of young vietnamese came in like they owned the place. Pushing people around and just making a scene as they walked through towards the pool tables. At the time I had a pistol in a duffle bag. I reached in and put it in my coat pocket. As they approached, they began talking to my friends in vietnamese. I could tell that the conversation wasn't going well as they began to get more heated. I backed myself against the wall and prepared for what was comming. In a second all hell broke loose and feet, fists and pool cues were flying. As it all came to a crash, my friend tj was on his back on a pool table with the other guy pressing a knife to his throat. I pulled that little 38 and pressed it to his head and everything stopped. That one action ended the whole thing. Suddenly talking seemed like a good idea. It ended quietly. It wasn't long after that, that I lost touch with those friends.

[guard]

I've done what I say I've done, did the federal 13 years of time for having done them, too. I'll say what i want to say, and people who know me know what the facts are. What you think is irrelevant.

[K2]

I've done what I say I've done, did the federal 13 years of time for having done them, too. I'll say what i want to say, and people who know me know what the facts are. What you think is irrelevant.

Hey Gunkid..I mean Guard. The thing here that is irelevant is YOU!! You jump from one forum to another, spewing your unique brand of BS and narcistic bravado until enough people complain about you to get you kicked off. What! You think someone is going to fall for your act. Nobody is THAT stupid! What is it about you? Are you sitting at your computer getting some kind of sick sexual gratification by thumping your chest (or is it your chest that you're thumping) and running others down? Go do a Google search on yourself and see what a psycho wimp the rest of the world sees you as! Of course, you don't NEED anyone else, do you? You're probably PROVING that right now, aren't you ;)!

[guard]

I've many times proven that I can take them, so what they say, think or do is completely irrelevant. I've many times posted where to find me, and the wimps never show up. :-) yeah, they're SO knowledgable and tough.

[fredusa]

I've many times proven that I can take them, so what they say, think or do is completely irrelevant. I've many times posted where to find me, and the wimps never show up. :-) yeah, they're SO knowledgable and tough.

* *Thanks guard---now I can go to the admin here and show that you are challenging people to meet you for a physical confrontation. *This will require that you be deleted, since such threatenings can be the basis for a huge law suit should anyone get hurt. * Thanks again for you brilliant self defeatism!
Well this didn't follow the intent of this thread (Gun save lives),but it does show that give some folks enough rope and they'll hang themselves, thus saving something! ;)

[guard]

up yours, punk. Like I said, you are nothing.

[K2]

up yours, punk. Like I said, you are nothing.

Real mature! Face it Gunkid/Guard, your days on this forum are numbered. And I, along with several others that have your number, will hunt you down on every survival forum on the net and expose you for what you are....scum!

You are a felon, a wife deserter (left her penniless after stealing every dime before he abandoned her), a sociopath, and a danger to society. My sincerest hope is that your parole officer is able to use your internet ramblings to put you back behind bars where you belong.

[rassd71]

up yours, punk. Like I said, you are nothing.

see, that's the kind of attitude that gets you kicked off forums.

You obviously have a desire to share what you've learned and to communicate with others, so why not learn to get along and do it more effectively? Or do you just like to stir the pot?

[guard]

I don't take crap off of punks in person, why should I do it on the Net?

[velojym]

wow ::)

[Hasher]

Actually severa folks have gone to "meet" him.

A couple of years ago he threatened to kill me on another internet forum. So since I had to rafel through his town I agreed.

Now when I was at the aoopinted place and appointed tiem with a pic of the fat litle man no one was to be found.

Now of course just in case the guntard did show his face suitable backup was dicretely located in an overwatch position just in case.

The littel coward never showed just as expected.

I did however ejoy a nice McDonalds lunch and a good laugh at teh littel cowards expense.

And Pagosa Springs Co is a pretty place with some nice scenery.

[velojym]

Ah, Wolf Creek Pass. I used to run Coca Cola to Durango through there a couple times a week.

[MNMOM]

Hubby would travel through there twice a week, got a little hairy in the winter time.

[Hallo]

Yes it is an endless debate but we must persevere or our "Second" will be removed and we will be at the mercy of the thugs and the government...
The gun grabbers are relentless. >:(

An excerpt from the 1993 Jeffrey Snyder article ,
"A Nation of Cowards"

Here he is refering to anti-gun zealots that place all faith in the LEO/government to protect them, he states:

"'If you believe it reprehensible to possess the means and will to use lethal force to repel a criminal assault, how can you call upon another to do so for you? '"

Exactly. They trust the cops and government to be armed but not themselves or their fellow citizens.


http://www.2asisters.org/A%20Nation%20Of%20Cowards.htm

[rassd71]

Yeah, just look at New Orleans during Katrina! Those were people who trusted in their government to protect them.

Personally I trust in myself and my family.

[ozarksnick]

Two simple words gun grabbers hate to hear:

Kennesaw, GA (http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html)

I know I posted that link on an earlier thread, just thought I'd pass it along again for those who hain't seen it yet.

[fredusa]

Yeah, the Kennesaw Law was, as I recall it, a response to a ban on ALL guns and ammo in some Illinois town---something like "Willow Grove" or something like that.
Gee, wouldn't a comparison of the crime rates of those two towns be an eye opener?

[bgarrett]

Heres a story you may like. It was told to me, I dont have any verification, but the criminals were stupid enough for the story to be believeable, Britts Grocery in Shreveport is operated by a little old guy and his little old wife. One day two negro males came in with a gun and wanted the money. Mr Britt handed them the cash tray out of the register and the two negros started out the door. "Just a minute, said Mr Britt, "I have more in the back." The negoes (unbelieveably!) stopped and Mr Britt went into the back room. Mrs Britt took a step back because she knew what was coming. Mr Britt came out of the back room firing a shotgun. One of the scum died.

[jim]

This one happened in Austin Texas back about 1978. There had been a rash of conveninece store armed robberies. APD decided to bring out the "Shotgun Squad" concept again, and place a few of them in the most likely stores. Well, less than a week later, two less than sterling examples of our community went in and tried to knock off a "stop n rob". The cop was behind a full length mirror mounted on the wall. Here are the two different court testimonies of what happened next.

Prosecutor: Officer, tell me what happened when the alleged robbers entered the convenience store.

Officer; Well, I saw they were armed, and trying to rob the store, so I chambered a round in my shotgun, and then opened the mirror/door and stepped out and said Freeze! Police! They turned toward me and and began to swing their weapons at me, and I opened fire to protect my life and that of the store clerk.

Prosecutor: And you did identify yourself as a police officer and order them to surrender?

Officer; Yes I did.

Next up was the surviving member of the two man robbery team.

Defense Attorney; Please tell me in your own words what happened the day of the shoot out.

Defendant; Well me and Leroy was fixing to rob that store, and the police got that part right, but they never identified theirselves.

Defense Atty: Oh? What did they do?

Defendant: Well, like I said, me an Leroy was fixin to rob the place and this big ol cop jumped through the mirror and yelled "April Fool Mother F---ers!" and started shooting. Leroy was killed outright, and I was knocked down by the buckshot, and came to in the hospital.

The courtroom exploded in laughter because everyone there knew what the real story was. But of course it didn't matter as it really was an armed robbery.

jim

[bgarrett]

Heres another. This one is verified. The Toolhouse in shreveport is in a neighborhood that is now'undesirable'. (As is the rest of the city. We expect A State of Emergency' declaration such as Jeckson Mississippi now has)

A black male came in the front door with a pistol plainly visible in his hand. All the clerks have guns ready and a clerk shot the negro, who then ran back out the door. Several hours(!) later he was dropped off at the local charity hospital by other black males who "just happened to find him bleeding in the street". Oh yeah, hes dead

[rassd71]

During the Watts riots in the 60's my step dad's shop was there on the edge of city of industry. His shop foreman was an old black navy machinist who didn't take anything from anybody. And for the most part, that kept the shop safe during the riots, but my step dad still kept a shotgun with him as he rode in and out and on his desk, while at work. Well one evening as he as locking up the door, a group of young thugs came running up behind him. He spun around and let a blast fly just over their heads and lowed for the second shot. As he tells the story, they were half way down the block before the shell finished rolling at his feet. Now days, he'd be arrested and sued for that. how times have changed.

[Uncle_Alvah]

Wow! Tell me thats not, or more accuratly was not, really Gunkid, PLEASE!
Looks like I arrived late for the party...but I did bring along a little something to share.....

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/UncleAlvah1/gun3.jpg

[Basica_Guru]

In my younger days I worked as a reserve police officer for 10 years. I was lucky enough to be in a department that provided lots of quality training. As you can imagine I have many stories about using a gun while in uniform. But, I do not think that is the intent of this thread. So, here are a few out of uniform events.
When I worked as a tow truck driver, I spent more time than I like to remember working in Detroit, Saginaw and Flint. I can remember at least a dozen times that I was approached and threatened one way or another. Every time I thought things had gone on long enough, I raised my shirt so they could see the Glock 22. That always brought things to an end. Fortunately things never went beyond that.
A few years ago, I lived across from a very busy convenience store on a state highway. It was 6-7 miles from town and in the middle of farm country. I walked over to the store with my 11 year-old son to get a few things. I was at the back of the store when I noticed a car pull in with 3 guys wearing gang colors. One got out and headed to the door while the other two kept looking around like crazy. The one came into the store, looked around quick and walked to the counter and he asked for a pack of smokes. While this was happening I put my son belly down on the floor and crouched down and headed for the front of the store. I got to the end of the isle in time to see the clerk turned around getting the smokes and the perp pulling a knife out of his back pocket. I moved just far enough forward that my gun and face could be seen and cleared my throat. The guy looked over and about soiled himself. He then reached in his front pocket and pulled out some money and payed the clerk. He hit the door running and the car was gone by the time I got to the front door. The clerk had no idea what had just happened until I told her. The store did not have camera's so not much info could be passed on to the area LEO's. I credit my training for keeping me alert and having good situational awareness. It also saved my bacon twice when I spotted groups setting up to car jack the vehicles I was in.

[velojym]

I aint squeamish about anything. I know what I'd do, and I know what I'd have to do THEN, too, you don't. :-) I'd be in the wind within minutes, but I know how to make and get fake Id, how to make 10k a week cash off the books, how to get to other countries, how to make grenades, AP handgun ammo, silencers, etc. Do you?

Just thought I'd pop this brag to the top, given his current condition.
;D

[SubVetChief]

Gunkid is out on bail............... ::) ::) ::)

[citylivin]

Chief, where did you hear gunkid is out on bail? Everything I've read is he is being held without bail. Just curious.

[SubVetChief]

Chief, where did you hear gunkid is out on bail? Everything I've read is he is being held without bail. Just curious.

No offense to you but I would prefer not to reveal my source of info. It is a credible LEO source tho....

Been doing a lot of Comms with them fellows lately pertaining to other matters and the Gunkid info was just an aside that I queried. ;D ;D ;D

[citylivin]

Chief, I respect your sources. Thanks for the response.

[SubVetChief]

Bravo Zulu Hogleg....Bravo Zulu brother. ;D

[farmboy]

No offense to you but I would prefer not to reveal my source of info. It is a credible LEO source tho....

Been doing a lot of Comms with them fellows lately pertaining to other matters and the Gunkid info was just an aside that I queried. ;D ;D ;D

Hmmmm, I never heard of someone getting bailed out being a secret. Should be in the public domain, correct? Especially when the guy threatens many people and brags about his ability to make bombs, fake documents and escaping to a different country.

Secret bail or not?


farmboy

[Archangel]

In New York City

Woman in wheelchair shoots alleged mugger Fri Sep 8, 11:19 PM ET



Margaret Johnson's wheelchair might have made her look like an easy target. But when a mugger tried to grab a chain off her neck Friday, the 56-year-old pulled out her licensed .357 pistol and shot him, police said.

Johnson said she was in Harlem on her way to a shooting range when the man, identified by police as 45-year-old Deron Johnson, came up from behind and went for the chain.

"There's not much to it," she said in a brief interview. "Somebody tried to mug me, and I shot him."

Deron Johnson was taken to Harlem Hospital with a single bullet wound in the elbow, police said. He faces a robbery charge, said Lt. John Grimpel, a police spokesman.

Margaret Johnson, who lives in Harlem, has a permit for the weapon and does not face charges, Grimpel said. She also was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and later released.

[farmboy]

In Honolulu this Saturday at 6:30 AM three armed men barged into a home allegedly to steal the proceeds of a cockfighting ring. As the broke into the front door the shooting started and the 55 year old man in the house shot and killed one of the intruders.

Unfortunately, he was "arrested in connection with the slaying." ???


farmboy

[farmboy]

Update: The 55 year old man was booked on suspicion of second-degree murder and first degree terroistic ??? threatening and then was released pending further investigation.

The 28 year old "victim" had a gunshot wound to the chest and court records say he had multiple convictions, including assault and theft.

Police found a shotgun outside the home and after getting a warrant seized a rifle found in the house. So there are three armed men who got away and the guy they attacked has his gun "seized" by police!

farmboy

[PK.]

In Memphis, I can't remember if it was last summer or the summer before, some nutcase went through a grocery store stabbing people. What the newspapers and the tv news, it made the nationals, didn't tell you is that the guy was stopped by an armed citizen with a concealed carry permit.

I forget the whole story, but one thing I do remember is watching a Memphis Police Major on the local news telling the reporter during a live interview that he wanted to make one thing perfectly clear since the news organizations were concealing the fact. And that was that the armed citizen saved who knows how many lives but nobody was reporting that.

[AARTY]

Been awhile since I posted! This incident only involves a gun after the frackus so technically a"gun didn't save a life".
In a previous post I mentioned an incident where I was on deployment and my first wife confronted a burglar. Shortly after that incident(about 2wks) the burglaries started again and I had just gotten back home around 4am and didn't want to wake or startle my wife so I decided to just catch some Z's until I knew she was awake and getting ready for work. About 15 minutes later that 6th sense wakes me up and I notice movement out of the corner of my eye and see someone in dark clothing trying to keep to the shadows all crouched down.

Apparently he didn't see me and since it was late spring I left my window down and crawled out of the car. I didn't have a gun with me but I had my "smart stick", an 18" length of 3/4"PVC wrapped with electric and 100mph tape and half full of sand, and proceeded to follow him. When I got closer to him I noticed he was trying doors and windows to see which were open and he had stopped at the apartment next to mine and started to force the door. Thats when I sprinted the last 7-8ft to him and smacked him with my smart stick along his lower left arm which knocked him over and sent the unseen by me pistol clattering away from us. I was able to smack him again and that crumpled him and allowed me to get his gun and get him restrained. I am glad that he didn't put up a fight, because I was really amped and could have easily killed him. While I was trussing him up one of my neighbors was on his way to PT, saw what I had, and popped back into his house and handed me his cordless phone with a dispatcher on the line.
It wasn't until a few weeks after we had moved on post that we found out that one of the apartments down from ours had been dealing drugs and these burglaries were attempts to get to that one apartment, talk about some stupid criminals!

[flatwater]

Guns don't kill people and guns don't save lives either but people do both , we just have to tip the scales in the favor of those that save lives. We need to take every opportunity to congratulate those who save lives through bravery and force if nessesary. The reason that we have so many bank robbers and convenient store robberies is because we make it easy for them. Lets stay armed and make it a little tougher for the bad guy.
flatwater

[flatwater]

I have talked with thousands of crooks while being a correctional officer for 25 years. Their greatest weapon is intimidation either with a weapon or size. You just have to shoot first and be accurate. Thats what real gun control is.
flatwater

[cookiehll]

A note from NC,
My DH and I are an older couple living in the country.
All around know that we have guns and that we know how to use them. At night we bring in the kitchen our little revolver and keep it near us we both know how to use it. then when it is time to go to bed my DH puts in the the holster hanging on the bed post near his head. If anyone wants to come and get in on us we will at least give them a run for their money. We also have a monitor i the kitchen so we can hear if someone tries to break in.
\God Bless us and keep us all safe
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