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tufhelp
11-18-2008, 07:50 AM
I am searching for some statistical information regarding the debunking of Anti-Gun-Nuts statistics. I’m sure you remember them, they get drug out all the time by the AGN, where they site horrific stats on the number of gun deaths, the number of children killed every X-seconds, on infinitum… They site staggering totals when in fact the data only supports what by contrast is minimal totals.

To counter these grossly misconstrued statistics, there was a “truth about” counter argument around that debunked every single point through how they used the data, how they counted the “deaths” etc. It was like a set of talking points that addressed all of the propaganda calmly and with actual data that was supportable. If I remember correctly the NRA was at the root or involved somehow. I have done searches in general on the net and in particular on the NRA site(s) to no avail.

Do any of you have this information? I’ve nearly got a convert ready to cross over to 2nd Amendment supporting and some convincing information would do the trick.

He wrote to me:
“…though I’ve softened my view on guns I’m still anti… I don’t seem to be able to find an unbiased account of deaths caused (accident or otherwise) by legal gun ownership compared to lives saved. If you have a link to such a site I’d love to have it...”

Any input would be welcome… Thanks

rivahmom
11-18-2008, 09:11 AM
Here is a few links to get you started.

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/07-08/07-290_RespondentAmCu17LawEnforceOrgsnew.pdf

http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/07-08/07-290_RespondentAmCuCrimSocSciScholarnew.pdf

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

http://www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

kawalekm
11-18-2008, 03:31 PM
Looking at his comment....

"I don’t seem to be able to find an unbiased account of deaths caused (accident or otherwise) by legal gun ownership compared to lives saved."

You could say it's a little like predicting how many children would die if vaccinations stopped. It's hard to make predictions about things that expected "not to happen" instead of predicting what would happen.

One way to possibly come up with a number is to look at how many felonies are stopped per year because the owner produced his/her gun. I believe that number is approximately 4-5 million per year. If you make the assumption that you have a 1% chance of getting killed while a felony is committed against you, then guns are saving about 50,000 lives each year.

tufhelp
11-19-2008, 11:28 AM
Thanks for your input. ;) I finally found the information I was looking for! Of course it was easy once I looked in the right place… It was on the NRA site and I accidentally found a pull down menu titled “Issues” I had missed while “searching” various topics to no avail. Then choosing “Topics”, I found everything I remembered and that I needed. In case you would like to have them for future use, here are the links:

NRA Issues page:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/

Fables, Myths & Other Tall Tales:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=209

In this particular case: Fables I, IV, V, VII, VIII, IX, XII, XIII

Firearm Fact Card 2008
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=83


Junk Science & Guns:
http://www.nraila.org/issues/articles/read.aspx?ID=317


Battling Elite Conceit:
http://www.nraila.org/issues/articles/read.aspx?ID=310

flatwater
11-19-2008, 06:26 PM
I don't know about other stats but heres one that is true. 100% of criminals that are shot through the heart and the back of the head will die.
Flatwater

tufhelp
11-19-2008, 06:57 PM
Now those are words to live by... er, die by... er, GOOD ONE!!! I like it!