I Guess Kudos and Criticisms

[berrtus]

First Kudos on allowing criticisms that is rare. I don't usually see that sort of thing on radical left wing sites though they proclaim themselves to be more tolerant. (Always use the word radical when referring to the left as they always use it when referring to the right.) Also, Kudos on unbanning me after banning me ::)!

Suggestion: a commercial interest may have something useful to say on a given subject. Where to draw the line between that and spam may be difficult. I think really the issue is: was something useful said and was it useful for forum members. Now if it's a blatant advertisement that is annoying to forum members I suppose that should count as spam.

As far as signatures I think those should also allow commercial site addresses, but that is certainly up to the given web page to decide. My idea is this: If someone posts useful content a do follow signature is a reasonable reward. I suppose it all fits into the model of how a site makes money, but I can say I am more likely to advertise on a site with a do follow signature than one without.

Well I suspect I am in the minority on all this so you can bash me if you like, but I think small business capitalism is a value I believe in. And I do admit much of it is up to the discretion of the given site.

[Anon001]

All you had to do was read the rules and follow them before posting. And this is not a radical leftwing site. The main site is for homesteading and self-reliant living which is void of politics by rules of the board. The politics are confined to the lower three forums only. Maybe you should read more of the board before you start your name calling. Just a friendly suggestion.

[berrtus]

Personally I don't think your friendly at all. *I am not so confused as to think this is a radical left wing site. *If you read closely it's clear from the context. So I don't think I am calling any names here. *(I also noticed on the LED conversation that you missed my meaning.) *Next, you shouldn't assume I didn't read the rules because I did. *My mistake and the reason I got banned was for using the site for commercial purposes: *Ironically, I offered to exchange links with you. *It was as much an offer of getting along as an attempt to get a back link for my site. *That's a mistake I won't make again. *Finally you sent me a snippy comment then turned on your ignore button. *As it turns out I am free to talk about LED lighting which I look forward to. *

[mtwildflower]

Wow Paul, a small comment and already he's showing his true colors by telling you that he doesn't think you're friendly. :P I must say that 7 posts IS the record for me to put someone ignore, although apparently, you were faster! LOL.

[berrtus]

MtWildFlower, what are the true colors have you deduced / assumed?

[logansackett]

In your first 2 sentences you are (giving kudos) what ever that is to a (radical left wing site). So I guess paul and I are both illiterate. Furthermore if you had read the rules you would not have been booted. Lastly I am not sure of your true colors, but I can see that you are here to instigate and aggravate, so I also will be ignoring you. Good Day. M

[berrtus]

No, I am not here to instigate and aggravate and if your having that problem here you might look to yourselves. For sure that is not my purpose. *I can promise you that. *I don't like getting dragged down into these sorts of debates. *On my first sentence I compliment this site for allowing criticisms. *Next I try to point out that often the left which claims to be tolerant does not allow that. *Note I never said this site is to the left! *So I am complimenting the site for it's tolerance of criticism. *Further I make the point that since the left calls the right radical the right should do the same to the left. *If you are neither left or right don't worry about it. *Next I did read the rules. *In fact very closely as I was trying get some insight into the types of rules on forums. *But I admit I missed the one that would not allow asking another member for a link exchange (for business purposes.) *I asked another member Paul for the exchange. *Next I was banned. *Then when I log back on I get the snipy email from Paul again. *I try to reply but he has me set to ignore. *Yet then he snips again at my first post. *Who is the instigator? *Maybe you should give new members a bit of benefit of the doubt. *

[pcrowder]

Well, this is the first I've heard of him, and yup, he's on IGNORE now.

Friendly word of advice, berrtus - don't come to a site and start off by bashing people. It's definitely not the way to win friends and influence people.

Well, that's all I have to say, and since you're now on ignore, I don't have to listen to anything you have to say.

[berrtus]

What's the point of starting a conversation with someone then putting them to ignore so they can't respond. *I find that childish at best. *If you want to ignore me please feel free, but getting the last snip before you push the button? *And bashing people lets just keep it strait. *I didn't start that. *Seems your sticking together like fire ants against a supposed hostile invader. *Unfortunately you got the scent wrong but your not seeing it.

[Gwynyvyr]

Hey...the bosses say no business ads in sig, they mean it.
THEIR house, THEIR rules.
That's the way the world goes.
They don't swim in your toilet, you don't...wait...that's not right...
:P

Anyway, crappy analogies aside...I have had my own site, I have been a mod at a few. Not a fun job.
You make a rule, half the people whine about it and half don't and then the third of them with multiple accounts just don't care. Or they argue with themselves. ::)

I have argued with Oliver...heh. (Did ya ever get Mrs Oliver that hat? ;) )I quit the forum a couple of times...I think I had...geeeze...over 7000 posts when I quit the first time.Something like that.

I am glad we have an ignore button, but in my honest opinion, it should only be used when someone has crossed that line from *internet anonymity* to *trying to get personal*. Otherwise, using it, then announcing you are using just looks..well...a bit snarky.
Besides, it is much more fun to put someone on ignore and then have them wonder...... ;D

I would love to put my zazzle store in my sig...but respecting admin policy, I do not. One rule for all. If you have problems with that, start your own site!

Speaking of SIGs....I got a SIG 556 today....
;D

*cradles her new SIG in her arms "...yes my precious...we will go to the range this weekend...my precious..."

[tufhelp]

I think that those that are jumping on this guy are rushing to judgment.

I think the root of your problems with him are that you are missing the intent of his post. I'll allow that his paragraph structure led to some misunderstanding, but who is one here who is so perfect? I'll put my perceived take on his intent in red:

(His first thought) "First Kudos on allowing criticisms that is rare. (His first thought is completed - let the entirety sink in...)

(Now with no fanfare or warning he is midway into his second thought with no "introduction" - which I perceive would read something like: "When I visit liberal sites") I don't usually see that sort of thing (here he is referring back to his fist thought - happy that criticisms are welcome on THIS site, as opposed to) on radical left wing sites (NOT THIS SITE – He means those OTHER sites are "Radical Left Wing sites" those that DON”T welcome criticism) though they proclaim themselves to be more tolerant. (Those other sites are not really "tolerant" at all, as they claim, but the BHM site IS tolerant)

( Here I think there is possibly a missing “I” – it would reinforce the “joke” about how he uses the same lingo that the left uses when referring to the right or perhaps an LOL at the end to cement the humor) (Always use the word radical when referring to the left as they always use it when referring to the right.)

(And finally, after setting the tone to a humorous one, he ends with another compliment – notice he uses an “emotion” statement at the end to keep it in the humorous vein…) Also, Kudos on unbanning me after banning me Roll Eyes!"

So just WHAT is all the hub-bub ABOUT! ???

[berrtus]

Thank you I was about to give up. You got it right on. At least the first paragraph which seems to be creating some confusion.

[Anon001]

Personally I don't think your friendly at all. *I am not so confused as to think this is a radical left wing site. *If you read closely it's clear from the context. *So I don't think I am calling any names here. *(I also noticed on the LED conversation that you missed my meaning.) *Next, you shouldn't assume I didn't read the rules because I did. *My mistake and the reason I got banned was for using the site for commercial purposes: *Ironically, I offered to exchange links with you. *It was as much an offer of getting along as an attempt to get a back link for my site. *That's a mistake I won't make again. *Finally you sent me a snippy comment then turned on your ignore button. *As it turns out I am free to talk about LED lighting which I look forward to. *
Don't make comments that are not true. *I never did put you on ignore. *I have not used that option yet even though I should have several times. *I also did not send you a snippy comment. *i flat told you I would not exchange links with you because I refuse to support a site that is not truthful about LED's and their usability with common homesteaders such as myself. The fact is that you came here for commercial gain and you made that apparent from the git-go. And my reply to your original post in this thread was with a friendly intent. You obviously didn't like it. Sorry, if my friendliness offended you. I won't make that mistake again and I've said all I have to say.

[berrtus]

Paul:

What I can say is what happened. *I was banned for offering to exchange links with you. *Then when I got re-instated. *You had a message in my in box saying everyone here knows LEDs are no good. *I find that quite incendiary. *When I responded it said: This member has you set to ignore, or something equivalent. *Then when I made my first post, not mentioning you, you were back at it again with the first response. *Note I didn't reference you in my post so I am not starting or instigating with you. *In fact it's easily the other way around. *

I have absolutely legitimate motives on joining the site. *There is nothing wrong with owning a business. *I have been quite honest in my remarks about LEDs. *You are out of line to imply otherwise. It's a form of instigation or worse, and it's not friendly as you claim to be with me quite the opposite. In fact for anyone paying attention I had started a comment on the drivers which can fail. * I am proud to sell LEDs they are the lighting of the future and the technology is already economically viable. *I hope to say more about it, but that is not my main objective. *I joined out of a common interest in the subject matter in this site and also to get a text backlink.

I do think you put me to ignore after sending your message if not then it's just an inexplicable event. *I have no business to argue with you and personally find it highly annoying. *

Finally I suppose most members reserved judgment or at least did not comment. *A few seemed to have rushed to to the wrong conclusion based on misunderstanding and thankfully a couple seem to get the idea of what I was saying. *Which I can find great solace in that. *Based on my experience I can urge people to not pile on new members or rush to judgments based on mis-assumptions. *Also even if say someone is of another persuasion try to wait until it's clear they have crossed some line. *Finally criticizing someone then setting them to ignore in the public forum doesnt seem a fair way to proceed. *If you want to ignore please do. *If you want to discuss please do.

I myself am a libertarian conservative believing in self reliance as opposed to government support and as opposed to supporting the governments spending. *I have a legitimate desire to share in that with others and that is why I am spending so much time here.

[tufhelp]

"(giving kudos) what ever that is..."

kudos – noun (used with a singular verb )
honor; glory; acclaim: He received kudos from everyone on his performance.

Origin:
1825–35; irreg. transliteration of Gk kudos

Usage note:
In the 19th century, KUDOS entered English as a singular noun, a transliteration of a Greek singular noun kudos meaning “praise or renown.” It was at first used largely in academic circles, but it gained wider currency in the 1920s in journalistic use, particularly in headlines: Playwright receives kudos. Kudos given to track record breakers. KUDOS is often used, as in these examples, in contexts that do not clearly indicate whether it is singular or plural; and because it ends in -s, the marker of regular plurals in English, KUDOS has come to be widely regarded and used as a plural noun meaning “accolades” rather than as a singular mass noun meaning “honor or glory.”
The singular form KUDO has been produced from KUDOS by back formation, the same process that gave us the singular pea from pease, originally both singular and plural, sherry from Xeres (an earlier spelling of the Spanish city Jerez), and cherry from the French singular noun cherise. This singular form has developed the meanings “honor” and “statement of praise, accolade.”
Both the singular form KUDO and KUDOS as a plural are today most common in journalistic writing. Some usage guides warn against using them.

Dictionary Link (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kudos)

"...to a (radical left wing site)..."

The kudos (praises) were for the BHM site, not the stated radical left wing site... Remarks regarding left wing radical sites followed the kudos...

"So I guess paul and I are both illiterate..."

Nope, don't think that is the case at all, quick to judge, possibly, but not illiterate...

[EarthMama]

Hey Berrtus. Glad to see a new face on the forum. Just hang back for awhile. The dust will settle and you'll be fine here. I think everybody's edgy... lots of stuff happening in our country & world right now. I think fuses are a little short but that's just my own opinion. ;D

See you around the boards!

[berrtus]

Thanks for the encouraging comment. Actually it was a good lesson in being patient and not overreacting. *But have to admit I almost lost my composure. *Actually I did lose it, but saved by tufhelp in the nick of time.

[Grizzy]

I'm a very emotional person and sometimes I just want to say so much about something, yet I hold back. Later I realize it just wasn't necessary to say at all and perhaps would have even made the situation worse.

But then, sometimes, you just have to speak up... Timing is everything and a cool head is clearer than an emotionally distraught one... This thread could be a lesson to us all... So, ty for it :D .

~Grizzy~

[EarthMama]

Thanks for the encouraging comment. *Actually it was a good lesson in being patient and not overreacting. *But have to admit I almost lost my composure. *Actually I did lose it, but saved by tufhelp in the nick of time.

You're more than welcome.

Hey, as I see it, all of life is a "lesson". We've all been in the pupil's seat many times... with many more to come, I'm sure.