T Boone,

[walls0stone]

What do you think of T. Boone and the wind farm he's building in Texas?

[walls0stone]

http://www.boonepickens.com/

Check this guy out...for all the bad news, this guys putting in 16,000 acres of wind farm and solar...with his own money!

And why don't we know about this?

[kawalekm]

I knew about it. Why are you so uninformed?

[walls0stone]

I have also known,

Much like I've seen all the drilling rigs in PA. But I guess if it's good news or a real answer to the worlds problems, then we don't talk about it.

Let's all talk about possible electric bubble cars and ride'n bikes nine miles...but when major ideas are applied to practical and profitable use..then they don't intrest people.

[mistyriver]

It is talked about. A lot. It's been all over the news and print media.

[walls0stone]

not here

[mistyriver]

You don't get NBC or CNN where you live?

[walls0stone]

I'm saying on this sight.
For all the energy answers people post here, no one here says boo about practical ideas... however they will talk about burning french fry oil, live'n off the grid or any other hard way you can find...

but a rich capitalist with an answer.... no word. and wile I'm on a rant...they are running tests in the middle of my home town to possibly drill for more gas wells...IN TOWN..But the only hot toppics here have a negitive headlines or bad news..not good.

[AlchemyAcres]

The subject has been covered here countless times.
Not T. Boone specifically, but in general.

What EXACTLY do you want to talk about?

Maybe that'll help.

~Martin

[walls0stone]

The man is going to build a massive wind/solor farm in the pan handle of Texas... out of his own pocket to boot. not some gove subsity, or a do good-er save the trees plot... (like up on the mountain) and I find it odd that no one, just at the mention of his name give some oppion, as I said..what do you think.... I mean if people have realy seen his add on Fox...then they know what he is up to. It should be the answer to the prayers of every eco-nutt and energy independent...sparking some chatter with out provocation. I find that in it's self to be rather intresting.

[AlchemyAcres]

Ya mean because he's an eccentric billionaire with a huge ego, that makes it interesting...well..okay...LOL

There are folks investing in this all the time...there's a wind test tower adjacent to my property and they're leasing in the area, allegedly..

And don''t forget all that clean burnin' natural gas under us.....the neighbors just got an offer for $3,000 an acre, allegedly, from Fortuna, for a 5 year lease.

Feels good contributing to the support of the dependent citiots who can't possibly take care of themselves. ::)

~Martin

[walls0stone]

egocentric billioneer who didn't take Gov money and created very good jobs. Most windfarms are just pits for your tax bucks. The Natual Gas...another subject that never gets picked up outside our area... Yea, 2-3 grand an acre is the tipical lease. That company just purchased some land not far from you.

Not only are they leaseing land and creating jobs, they are rebuilding roads in the area, and suing local contractors to build those roads.

One of the rig bosses told me "this is the new Texas, we don't want to make anyone mad".

Don't be supprised if you see a knodding Donkey or more natural Gas Cars in the North East in the next few years.

I mean, people only get stuck on the bad stuff...looking forward to the day when all hell breaks out and they get to show off all the cool boyscout knots.

[AlchemyAcres]

e they are rebuilding roads in the area, and suing local contractors to build those roads.


Cool, but where?


~Martin

[mistyriver]

I'm saying on this sight.
For all the energy answers people post here, no one here says boo about practical ideas... however they will talk about burning french fry oil, live'n off the grid or any other hard way you can find...



Well I do live off the grid on solar and wind power. And it's actually quite practical and not particularly "hard". And we also paid for it all with our own money and did it ourselves.
Still not getting your point...

[WileyCoyote]

Well, I just don't see what the big deal is.

One billionaire puts up wind and solar generators to save the world, or at least his little corner of it, hoo-rah. But so what? Lots of little people - and not just individuals, but towns and counties and farmers' and ranchers' co-ops - are looking into it, planning it, and garnering non-government investments for it too. I know my little town is. We were going to build our own, but heck - if they want to put up a couplea windmills on our back hill and generate electricity for the whole town and surrounding area, I'm all for it.

Thing is that there are speculators out there offering farmers and ranchers $5000 per acre for their "air rights" and then selling them to the big corporations for $60,000 per acre. Whether the turbines go up or not - and its usually "not" - their air rights, like mineral rights, are being stolen away from them so that they can't be used by either themselves and their heirs, >:( >:( nor by their community that really DOES want to develop that wind power. There are also maintenance considerations - for example, John Deere has a plan that puts the turbines up on the rancher's property, and the rancher gets paid an annually decreasing amount, then eventually owns the turbines - just at the time when they need extensive down time and maintenance. So JD makes the most profit...

As for the natural gas deposits, yes they are HUGE underneath the west and midwest. However, are you aware what happens to the deposits? They pump water into these gas deposits to force the gas out, which turns the surrounding dirt into a wicked slurry that eventually collapses, not only leaving gaping holes but causing the gas to suddenly burst thru the pipes and underground gasways, causing odd explosions and fires where there are not even gas lines! If you pump something OUT of the underground, and don't put anything IN, you end up with a serious collapse problem as well... sometimes miles away from the pump source site.

I think that wind and solar even with all of their problems of maintenance, transmission, and storage (batteries cannot be discarded once worn out, for example) are a great idea - the only problem is that most state legislatures are in the pockets of the current power lobbies, who insist that coal, nuclear energy, and other standard fuels, and gasoline, are still the way to go and demand concessions for their industry while severely restricting the operation of alternative solutions as well as the alternative resource co-ops' ability to sell their produced power to the grid. Have you heard of that much touted "green home" in SC? Well, it is a fine idea - but it cannot produce any more power than it can use or store on the property, as the SC Electric Companies will not accept sales of produced power... will not even run transmission lines to the house to bleed off the overgenerated power. That's why there is so much lack of enthusiasm for alternate energy - the electric companies have a stranglehold on coal, oil, and nuclear production, and won't give an inch no matter how much it benefits people. Cheap energy means that all of their high-paid employees and executives and stockholders don't garner as much income. Can't have that. ::)

You can talk about not having government funding for a project, and flying proudly in their faces, but as long as the legislatures are controlled by the power lobbies, you are pi$$ing in the wind... >:(

[walls0stone]

We can't all make our own power. Most of America can't move off to live in a yert and milk a cow. you can't make enouigh fries to power the nation. Some people just want to flip a switch..that's just how it is

If people hate how the Gov' spends.. then they should be glad when a man with money builds a business w/his own capital rather than yours. needless to say, he's for moveing to natural gas cars rather than Crude based.

I don't know how they get gas in the midwest, but they are pulling out of the ground in the east, and it can't be as you say here becouse they put the wells in out towns.

With all the regulations and inspecters, they sure don't seem to think that those towns will fall in.

So a man spends his money, not yours, to make our country more independent, and cleaner...and that's not good??

HHMM?

[WileyCoyote]

You miss my point, walls0stone.. of course it is a good thing... but until and unless the power lobbyists let go their chokehold on the legislatures, such grand, expansive gestures are futile simply because they are not able to be duplicated in most areas. Will TX even allow him to supply power - or will he have to become a power magnate on his own? Will he have to rent their transmission lines, or buy and install his own - either way increasing the costs for his potential customers exponentially? Or will he be stifled and handicapped to the point where all that will be left of his great idea will be rusted turbines turning aimlessly in the breeze? *Grand and potent gestures are wonderful - but I have watched them be defeated too many times by controlling profit margins and bureaucracies, minimalized until their costs are equal to or greater than the original...

PS are you aware that all of those individual gas pockets have recently been discovered to be, not individual, but part of a huge underground pocket which levels rise and fall all throughout the country?

Oh, well, here's the discussion you wanted anyway *;D

[walls0stone]

I don't think any hold can last very long if those people wish to stay in office. Those who Lobby, work for some one. the Plan makes so much oil avalible, and creates so many biofuled cars, that the 75% in this nation who demand we drill would also back his plan. He's a Capitalist, not a fat cat in DC.
Texas of all places would ok this plan, based on the jobs it creates..

Needless to say it shows how you will be able to fill up on Natrual Gas at the pumps that once held unleaded.

I don't think a man who has all that money would be wasting it just to see himself on TV. If he could not put all that power into the system.

The bottom dollar speaks loudest, and he has 3 Billion of them.

[AlchemyAcres]

Almost 5 billion dollars in wind energy transmission lines have been preliminarily approved in Texas, I guess, it's been all over the news.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hAQY5B2Hfjlzga0U53ylElwGbVeQD91VPL68E

As for T.Boone, yeah, he's a capitalist, I guess, but a bit unstable.....he thinks energy hog and extreme narcissist Al Gore would make a lovely energy czar under Obama......a big ::) IMHO!!!!
I'm beginning to think the man is an attention craving lunatic.

Pickens: "Well, you know, you asked me a question, I don't know. I would certainly not... In that case, I think I would be for Al Gore for energy czar."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20080718_4628.php

~Martin :-X

[walls0stone]

funny,
On Fox this morning he said he backed McCain and had always been a republican. He also said that NO ONE in DC had a plan. Capitalists can not be Dems. To make money, you want lower taxes.

Dems' want higher taxes and more restriction...you can't make money with restrictions. Capitalists are in life to make money, that means being a Rep...

[WileyCoyote]

Well, I don't know about that anymore.
I useta did; people used to say that the Republican Party was my only religion. Tho recently I have become disgruntled with them. People with real answers and solutions are made fun of while people who want to help maintain the status quo are applauded and regaled.

As for 'staying in office', nope, all that takes is a good liar and a little emotional angst. Brains don't matter in politics. If they did, why are so many lawyers and real estate developers in political office? ???

Don't mean to turn this into a political argument, but I have become so disgruntled. Yes the lobbtyists work for someone - and as long as they wine and dine the politicos, they get what they want, period. Politicians do not fear their constituents, they speak of them as if they were all stupid little children who have to be led (usually down the garden path) and fed by the benificence of the government. There IS no capitalism, there are no free markets, here anymore. Grumble grumble grumble

[AlchemyAcres]

I've always agreed with George Washington, who despised political parties.
I am not, never have been and never will be the member of a formal political party.
It's just another way to herd the sheeple!


~Martin

[Quietgentleman]

T Boone is running ad's on tv here in Iowa. He's looking for something other than his wind farm. He's buttering up the public for a hard sell on something. What that is I don't know for sure but there's something in the wind.
Pun intended

QGM

[walls0stone]

Capitalisim is alive and thriving...so long as anyone can do anything for a profit, Capitalism is alive... I'm a Capitalist..it's my party.

Men LikeT. Boone Pickeens don't have time for deep think unless it's about making more money. they don't do Deep think, they just say what they fell...and he's and older man, so he's not from an era were they say "I'm a wig"..Most of his age are going to be part of a party, and as he did...say what he does not like about that party..

He said McCain has having no real plan for energy. He also made it clear that no party had a plan.

[JBinKC]

Unfortuantely, I think the new rules of capitalism today is damaging to society only to benefit a few at the expense of many.

Wall Street IMO has turned into nothing but a casino. There is too much corruption at all levels. CEO's are overpaid with stock diluting options and small cap is at the mercy of naked short sellers who don't live by the rules nor does the SEC enforce them and in turn the whole small cap sector gets pathetic peer valuations vs larger cap and forces the company to raise capital on very bad terms for growth potential.

Wall Street is now designed to squash the American dream. It is designed to keep small cap small. How many Intel, Microsoft Dell, Walmart type stocks that have come from nothing in the last decade and stayed there? Case closed.

As for Pickens plan its good at least someone is taking an initiative right or wrong because the politicians are too busy selling their souls to special interests.

[walls0stone]

Those people followed the capitalist basics.

work for the masses and eat with the classes....basicly it's better to get a buck from every single person you talk to, than 1,000 from one person in a 40 hour week....

the richest family in their own time cornered the markeet on thread for sewing. They just never went to the fancy parties.

Buy low, sell at a profit... aka wallmart. or any of the internet companies who sell for less due to lower overhead.

And just having a good product or service is just as much capitalism as a big box store. Lowes and Home Dept still have a major pain to deal with..the hardware store were the real people, with real questions go...and get answers, rather than a pimple faced kid.

yea megga companies are a pain..Lowes and Wall mart are connected. But we don't have to shop with them do we? I will never buy ammo from them or harware. My values tell me to spend my money with my friends.

What about those Crocks? stupid ruber shoes for the garden, now a major craze for shopping at the mall! wish I had a dime for every pair sold. Sorry, that's still Capitalism

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