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admin
12-07-2007, 11:29 PM
The following came to me in an email this morning. I can't vouch for the attribution and have no idea how old it is or how long it may have been circulating on the web, but I thought the folks who frequent this board might like to see it.


Merry Christmas.

Oliver

Note: see corrected version further down the page

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The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.


My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committe d suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.

Quietgentleman
12-07-2007, 11:48 PM
Thank You Oliver

Quietgentleman

bookwormom
12-08-2007, 01:50 AM
yes indeed.

gardenfay
12-09-2007, 07:28 AM
Thank you administration;
I agree with so much of what this email says.
I personally believe that a few, very vocal groups in this country are trying very hard to ruin it. I think the majority of people don't agree with them; but we won't stand up and fight - or something, im not sure what. I believe it is happening on Christian issues, like the email you put up here talks about. I also believe it is happening on issues like gun control; animal rights, etc.
Thank you for posting this.

Fastnought
12-10-2007, 07:55 AM
I'm an atheist, and agree with the message. Let's enjoy this holiday and put the petty aside. It's a great time of the year to celebrate life in all it's wonder....

chloe3388
12-10-2007, 11:35 AM
Thank you admin, don't care who said it there is a good message there.

DaNgEr_KiTtY
12-10-2007, 03:04 PM
I like Ben Stein. He is what I consider to be a fish outta water. Great message there. I kinda like the thought of giving up things that are petty but some things like that will never die.

333
12-11-2007, 03:37 AM
Peace,

Thank you....

333

gardenfay
12-11-2007, 11:50 AM
i really don't think Billy Graham's daughter would say anything like about a suicide even if the son had commited suicide - much less if he hadn't; so now that you mention it, I really doubt that part is right.

gardenfay
12-11-2007, 11:55 AM
Also, I agree that she, if she did indeed say some of this, was probably talking about 9/11, if she was linking it with God removing His hand of protection from America.
I don't think there has been some magical era where God protected us from everything. What I do believe is that if America continues to turn its back on God; God will let America be conquered.

AlchemyAcres
12-11-2007, 12:07 PM
This REALLY illustrates how folks can screw up the facts.
Farmboy, you dropped the ball! ;)
Why not post the snopes link....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/benstein2.asp

~Martin

DaNgEr_KiTtY
12-11-2007, 03:24 PM
Too bad a nice message is spoiled.

admin
12-15-2007, 01:18 PM
Well.....my bad. I guess I should have checked it out before posting it.

Here, for those who did not follow the Snopes link, is what Stein actually said on the broadcast...according to Snopes:

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Here at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart. I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are.

I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I'm buying my dog biscuits. I still don't know. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores who they are. They don't know who Nick and Jessica are, either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they've broken up? Why are they so darned important?

I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I don't care at all about Tom Cruise's baby.

Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I'm a subversive? Maybe. But I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are. Is this what it means to be no longer young? Hm, not so bad.

Next confession: I am a Jew and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish, and it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautifully lit-up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees.

I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are — Christmas trees. It doesn't bother me a bit when people say 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they're slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. I shows that we're all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year.

It doesn't bother me one bit that there's a manger scene on display at a key intersection at my beach house in Malibu.

If people want a creche, fine. The menorah a few hundred yards away is fine, too. I do not like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat. Or maybe I can put it another way. Where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and aren't allowed to worship God as we understand him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we used to know went to.

TheUnboundOne
02-05-2008, 09:33 AM
Dear Forum Members,

Interesting. *I still think Ben Stein was at his best when he was the economics teacher saying: "...Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?..."

;D

Myself, I have no objection to anyone have a creche, a menorah, a Buddha statue, a Minaret, or any other religious decoration...on their own private property and at their own expense.

As for governmental bodies with governmental property in a free society, those should be strictly devoted to the business of protecting individual rights to life, liberty, and property.

Private individuals can take any stand they want on religious matters, but the government of a free society should be strictly neutral about such.

WileyCoyote
02-05-2008, 01:08 PM
I outfoxed the PC crowd in our town.
I arranged a "Santa's Lane" of Christmas lights. All decorations were purchased by businesses, and had their names on signs in front of the decorations. This way we had a full Nativity scene put up by one group, and lots of others by other businesses. I told people that any business could put up what they wanted - a menorah, whatever - as long as it came from a lighting group we chose so as to maintain similarity. Free advertising for businesses all season long, and lots and lots of Christmas lights! One liked the idea so well it sponsored a witch with a kettle for Halloween as well...

mtwildflower
03-05-2008, 08:13 AM
I appreaciate the snopes link. In fact, I was getting ready to post that myself before I got that far into the thread.