We have oil!

[msta999]

Some of you may have already heard of this, but it is a first for me. Looks like we have found enough oil, here in the US and Canada, to supply the US with all the oil we need for the next 100 years.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2250/2222720508_e83b1917ae.jpg?v=0

Here is where the oil is located.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/01/bakken-and-torquay-formations-saudi.html

http://www.angelnexus.com/o/web/6071

It would be nice if we could give Saudi and the rest of the Arab countries the bird!

[chrisser]

This looks like the Bakken (sp) formation?

From what I understand, one of the issues with this is that there is a lot of oil, but its spread out in thin layers, and often embedded in rock formations.

I believe there are some workarounds and new technology to address that, and there are wells operating.

My sense is that, while it isn't difficult oil to get at, its also not easy oil to get at.


I could be wrong though...

[walls0stone]

The teck behind oil and drilling today over comes another issue, fear. many have worried about what the drilling would look like later, but if you can drill sideways, or down miles and miles... you can get oil out from under anything.
that's great for all of us

[FenrisW]

US also has large oil shale reserves, IIRC.

[Florida_boy]

If you'll do a search in Google Videos for Lindsey Williams see what he has to say about the oil business. He was in it for a number of years.

[walls0stone]

talking to somone the other day who would not let them drill for gas on his land. He said they would mess up his yard....uh, for tens of Thousands a month, I'd get over it.

and remember, quaker state ain't from the sand box!

[sharp_shepherd]

Actually, i hate to one up you; but how about enough crude oil AND natural gas to supply the entire USA and it's project population growth for 200 years?
If you want to watch it's kinda long but very interesting. However if you want to skip some of it start watching at the 30 minute mark.
Believe me, it all makes sense now why we aren't drilling and why we continue to start wars in the middle east. If you want some answers i suggest you watch the whole hour.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

[walls0stone]

A Deep natural gas well is being drilled in my county every square mile. the digers, not the salesmen told me what they are hitting now will last generations.

[tufhelp]

Any horror stories with ground water contamination from the gas well exploration drilling? In Northern New Mexico, the ground water is ruined around and near the gas wells and probably will never recover...

http://www.earthworksaction.org/NM_GW_Contamination.cfm

[walls0stone]

The teck of the past is not the teck of today...and here they are all over the gas companies, it actualy makes it harder to get some money. *They take water away and treat it. They take very very good care of the world now a-days..and anything is good that will keep us from give'n another DIME to the rag heads who kill GI's

[ryanmercer]

talking to somone the other day who would not let them drill for gas on his land. He said they would mess up his yard....uh, for tens of Thousands a month, I'd get over it.

and remember, quaker state ain't from the sand box!

Exactly, I'd just go buy some new land :)

Listen to a story 'bout a man named Jed...

[walls0stone]

man over the hill just got 4, millon for a gas lease and the lease is only good for 3 years. Once they drill things change. But he can still farm the ground. that's what he is doing.

People don't realise how many lines run under the ground any way. phone, electric, gas, water... and after the ground is put back, you can still make hay on it, no till corn or whatever.

[ryanmercer]

man over the hill just got 4, millon for a gas lease and the lease is only good for 3 years. Once they drill things change. But he can still farm the ground. that's what he is doing.

*People don't realise how many lines run under the ground any way. phone, electric, gas, water... and after the ground is put back, you can still make hay on it, no till corn or whatever.



I hate that man ;)

[musicfreak313]

I doubt it. If we did, the oil would've been out along time ago.

[JSUToots]

why not use alternative energy thats cheaper for us.. runs more miles to the galon..and can help save us from global warming?
ww.myspace.com/fuelthefilm

[walls0stone]

Nice idea... you build it and I'll buy one tomarrow... oh wait, won't be ready by then...can't get parts till next week? Costs a lot becouse of who is building it.. fine, need oil now. My tractor runs on gas and oil now so don't expect me, the working joe to go run right out and get a tractor that runs on mushrooms or whatever. WE have oil, we should use it. Tioga County Pa will have a natural gas well every single square mile within 3 years...

Global warming is bull S***

[cmdan]

I work with someone who owns land in this area. He told me they started drilling or opening capped wells last year. Getting the oil out of this area was hard to do, until new technology came along and made it cost effective. They have to drill at an angle and let the oil fill up the holes.....something like that. I wasn't really paying that much attention.

[walls0stone]

yesterday I was at a picnic for men in the oil and gas industry and the people who provide the support staff to go with it. They all were telling me that they will be here working untill they die. Half of them are 30 Y/o. Yes, we have our own fuel and we should put the cubby silly ideas supported by our tax money aside and focus on the stuff we know works.

[crafty2002]

There is oil all over the world. There is gas all over the world. It isn't that it is hard to get. That is a pack of lies they sell us to keep the sheeple under their thumbs.
Back in the early 70's when there were lines at gas stations I was working in a huge welding shop in Morgan City, La., building caps for wells that they had already drilled. They hired indians off some reservation and trucked them in, taught them to weld and put them to work because we couldn't keep up with the number of caps they needed built.
Back then they were paying 16-18 bucks an hour, 24/7 for 30 days straight for welders on the oil rigs in the gulf, and capping them off as fast as they drilled them.
The welding test for off shore work was hell. Plus you had to have I think it was 10 years experiance before they even would allow you to test.
Our gubbernuts are all a shame. And it's coming to a head. That's why they don't want us to have guns. They want us to be like the 3rd world countries when we finally wake up and rise to the call of duty, as the constitution says we should, and they want us to fight with machetes against a well armed army.
Has any one noticed that the prices of gas is going back down, just before the election. Now why is that???
::)

[fnfredux]

I actually have shale that will catch fire and burn...
I relly don't think oil bearing shale is rare, I think MOST shale has plenty of oil in it.
We discovered this burning shale when we set up a camping area on the land long before we built. The shale was great for placing around the perimeter of the fire pit because it tends to be flat... My son and I had never seen rocks burn before so I remember it well.
I do believe that petroleum is not so rare as the powers that be would have us believe. Fossil fuel is just another "control" mechanism for the general population.

[Wyobuckaroo]

Yes, there is oil almost everywhere. Problem is production costs. Don't have a clue what all goes into figuring that.

Do know a little history of the fields in eastern Wyoming. During the early 80s, 9 out of 10 holes were capped as "dry"
Of course there was oil in everyone of them. Production costs again.

Same applies to the field in western North Dakota. Production costs issues. Also they have a sour gas (poison) problem with some of that area. Again, that affects production costs.

Wyo

[gregabob]

Yes, there is oil almost everywhere. *Problem is production costs. *Don't have a clue what all goes into figuring that.

Do know a little history of the fields in eastern Wyoming. *During the early 80s, 9 out of 10 holes were capped as "dry"
Of course there was oil in everyone of them. *Production costs again.

Same applies to the field in western North Dakota. *Production costs issues. *Also they have a sour gas (poison) problem with some of that area. *Again, that affects production costs.

Wyo
'Commercial' oil depends on the operator of the well too. The 'Majors' don't mess with 'stripper' wells (less than 10 barrels per day). H2S (the nasty sour gas) is a problem too, but there're ways to handle it. An Independent operator with low overhead can do quite nicely on a few wells producing 10 BPD......I'm thinking of moving to Eastern Wyoming, now you've piqued my interest more! 8)

[cubcadet]

The oil is here. It`s the getting of it that haunts me nights. The whole landscape will change because of the noise, the trucks hauling the water that`s being used to drill- water that is toxic to the soil. It`s full of salt. The stuff will, when spilled- ruin the soil forever. The truck traffic is going to be the worst visible result of this wanton rape of God`s creation. Our dependence on petro chemicals is directly related to the consumerist mind set that has been forced upon us by our captors. There are other, better ways of getting petroleum out of the ground. I happen to know that there is a 400 billion barrel reserve under the Brooks Range in Alaska. Enough reserve to last America for the next 200 years. There is no need to drill anywhere else for petroleum. And in the mean time, there should be efforts made in the private sector to develop better means of generating power, like Tesla Towers. It has been done before. It can be done again. The powers that be will not stand for it. The current system is too lucrative.

[DM]

I happen to know that there is a 400 billion barrel reserve under the Brooks Range in Alaska. Enough reserve to last America for the next 200 years. There is no need to drill anywhere else for petroleum.

Do you know what quality it is too? All of the crude i've seen come off the slope is of such poor quality it isn't even funny! They have to add a huge amount of additive to it, just to get it to slide through the pipe line!

DM

[gregabob]

Water produced from oil and gas production is ancient sea water. We had some spills of about 50 BBls of produced water and 16 gravity oil at the oilfield I worked at in the 80's--used a vacuum truck to pick up most of the oil. The grass was greener by in the spill area by the time Spring rolled around. You couldn't see the difference in the spill area after a few months. Oil breaks down when exposed to the elements and sunlight. Sure it stinks and is messy-but it's really a result of prehistoric composting. The drilling is the most visible part of the process. There are surface pumps that are low profile and can be put in 4'x4' concrete 'bunkers'. Run the pipes underground from wellhead to remote water separating tanks and you can almost make an oilfield invisible to the Average Joe driving by. I don't think 'rape' is a good description. Getting a natural resource as useful as oil, gas and coal out of the ground causes some changes to the landscape, but so does everything else we do. Some people would think that building a cabin and tilling the soil on a couple acres as 'rape'. I also think it diminishes the barbarity of the act to use the term to describe obtaining natural resources.
Be happy we found crude oil in such quantities-otherwise we would still have to use whale oil for lighting and machinery lube.....and we know how little whale oil the is to be found these days! ;)
We're loaded with oil-it's just in small pools of a few hundred thousand or a few million recoverable barrels now. As oil gets more expensive over time, these small pools will become economic to produce. Eventually, crude oil will be replaced with something else, just like whale oil was replaced by crude. Won't happen overnite, or by gov't mandate, but it will happen. Or maybe our economy will change, and our current supply will be plenty due to steaily reduced demand....just remember- the average oilfield still has 50-60% of it's oil still in place......... 8)

[Michael32170]

We may have accessed most of the easy oil, but less than 10% of the existing oil on this planet.

There was a history channel program about how the biological process of creating oil is so prevelent in the Gulf of Mex, that they consider it a threat to global warming and want to intervene to prevent the process from completing and producing more oil. According to them, it's producing oil at a very quick pace.

[cubcadet]

The resourses are there, I am not an oilman, but, the point I tried to make was to point out that there`s enormous reserves there in Alaska. The oil is coming up to the surface and the reindeer are rolling around in it to attract their mates. It don`t hurt them. Whatever the processes are to make the finished product, and, from what I`ve gleaned from oil wildcatters I`ve heard on shortwave, there`s enough crude out there that there would be more than enough to go around to make the U.S.A. oil self sufficient and, it could reap us some handsome revenues by selling it, putting the lousy Islamists out of business. It`d be nice having 25 cent gas again. Alas though, it is a pipe dream. The bankers and industrialists wouldn`t stand for it.

[silvergramma]

yah we do,, i live in North Dakota but let me tell ya the gas prices still fluctuate.. you think we're gonna use it.. no... its gonna sit in storage i'll bet
gas here last year hit 4.00 a gallon.. you think the goverment cares?

[silvergramma]

ok one thing i forgot to mention.. when we moved here we asked God to help us get what we needed we even prayed over the animals we would have before we actually got them
our first horse...and now we have six... we made a promise to ourselves that if gas ever hit 5.00 a gallon here we would shoot the truck,, even tho its paid for and go horseback buggy sleigh. wagon..
well we now have a cart..that can be pulled by at least three of our smaller horses each around 14 hands..
and a custom made combo sleigh. buggy.. that can be pulled by any of our horses..
we also lucked out when we moved here,, grain elevators all over and lots of hay farmers..
cheaper to feed livestock here
we also lucked out when we got our horses.. none of them have ever had alfalfa.. just good old fashioned side of the road prairie grass and they do great on it..
its cheaper to feed six horses than it is to pay maintenance oil and gas and tires on a truck,,, at least up here it is.. go figure