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RangerRick
11-13-2006, 01:46 PM
Council members hoping to vote Monday on city's proposed crackdown

08:50 AM CST on Sunday, November 12, 2006
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By STEPHANIE SANDOVAL / The Dallas Morning News

Farmers Branch City Council members hope to put the illegal immigration issue in their city to rest Monday.

Council member Tim O'Hare said he hopes the City Council will vote on whether to make English the city's official language, enroll police officers in a federal training program that will essentially make them immigration officials, and enact an ordinance to prohibit landlords from renting to illegal immigrants.

A proposal to penalize businesses that hire illegal immigrants, he said, probably won't be pursued because there is less support for it on the council.

"I'm certainly ready to vote on it," Mr. O'Hare said. "If we vote on it and things do not pass, then I can't tell you the thought will never come into my mind again. I would say next May during the [City Council] election it will become an issue again.

"If something fails, do I plan to keep requesting for it to come on? No. But until we vote on it, it won't go away."

The city attorney is expected to address the council Monday to recommend actions he thinks the city can take that will stand up in court.

Most of the council's discussion is expected to occur in closed session, because of the threat of lawsuits from several Hispanic and civil rights groups, including the League of United Latin American Citizens and the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas.

The state's open-meetings law allows governmental bodies to meet in private when seeking the advice of their attorneys regarding pending or contemplated litigation.

But City Council members can come out of that closed-door session and vote on anything they discussed there.

Mr. O'Hare said that he would like to see that debate occur in public, but that probably won't happen.

"They don't want to have a discussion," he said. "They don't want people to know how they feel or what they really think."

Avoiding court

Council member Ben Robinson said he understands the need to debate behind closed doors. He and others have said they want to do something to make the city less attractive to illegal immigrants but don't want to get caught in a protracted court battle.

"Any time there is legalities involved, you have to operate in that manner," said Mr. Robinson, who stepped into the immigration debate by proposing the city prohibit the congregation of day laborers. He has also suggested that police officers who question the authenticity of the residency papers of people they encounter make copies of the papers and turn them over to immigration authorities for investigation.

He asked specifically that the city attorney have something the council can vote on.

"I would like to see this whole issue concluded," he said.

Mayor Bob Phelps agreed, saying he's tired of debating the issue.

"Everybody is, except the ones who keep stirring it," said Mr. Phelps, whose home was vandalized this month when someone spray-painted "Viva Mexicos" on his house. "I hope it will go away if we have a vote."

Other cities

Mr. O'Hare put Farmers Branch in the national spotlight in August by suggesting that illegal immigrants are a driving factor in the decline of the city's neighborhoods, and by proposing that the city emulate actions being taken elsewhere, most notably in Hazelton, Pa.

RangerRick
11-13-2006, 01:47 PM
Hazelton and cities like Escondido, Calif., have said the federal government has failed to secure the borders and clamp down on immigration, so the cities have enacted local ordinances making it harder for illegal immigrants to live and work there.

A federal judge has temporarily blocked Hazelton from enforcing ordinances that would require tenants to register with the city and pay for a rental permit; impose fines on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants; and deny business permits to companies that hire them.

Escondido adopted a similar rental law and also has been sued.

But that doesn't deter Mr. O'Hare.

"One federal court in a state 2,000 miles away from us doesn't control what goes on in Texas," he said, adding that one New York county and cities in Georgia and elsewhere have adopted measures restricting illegal immigrants.

And on Tuesday, Arizona voters approved four propositions that deny bail to illegal immigrants charged with serious felonies; block illegal immigrants from obtaining punitive damages in lawsuits; prevent them from benefiting from state-subsidized programs for adult education, child care and other services; and make English the state's official language.

Precisely what the Farmers Branch City Council might vote on is still unclear. The city attorney has spent weeks studying the issue and what is going on elsewhere to come to the council with a recommendation that will keep the city out of court.

"The problem is I don't know what to take action on," council member Charlie Bird said. "I haven't seen anything. I don't know what it's going to look like. ... That's what the attorney is supposed to do: show us what we can do and can't do."

But the city could face court challenges if the council adopts any ordinances restricting illegal immigrants.

He said the issue with the laws that Hazelton has adopted and that Farmers Branch is considering is that enforcing them will result in racial profiling – with even U.S. citizens who are Hispanic coming under scrutiny when they rent property or apply for jobs.

"They are looking at a lawsuit," said Jesse Diaz, president of LULAC 4496 in Dallas. "If they want to spend the money ... so be it. We're not going to stand still for something like this. We have to stand up for bigotry and racism."

Ready for a fight

Will Harrell, executive director of the ACLU of Texas, said he had a conference call Friday with representatives of the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund and LULAC.

The organizations have teamed up to fight ordinances targeting illegal immigrants in other cities and states, and they will do so in Farmers Branch "if the city is imprudent enough" to adopt any of the suggested ordinances, Mr. Harrell said.

He said the city could expect to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in court costs.

"My understanding is that some bigots on the City Council in Farmers Branch are fiscal conservatives. ... We hope whatever moves them, that reason will prevail," he said. "We fully anticipate, frankly, that their lawyers – without even getting into what their ideological perspective is – will tell them you simply cannot do this in a way that will not wind up in court."

Mr. O'Hare said he has spent hours studying the issue and handed over that information to the city attorney.

"I gave them a pile of research I think says you can pass these things legally," he said. "I think the right thing for Farmers Branch to do is pass these measures."

Txanne
11-13-2006, 02:19 PM
Why cant they pass them legally?

Illegal is ILLEGAL
and its breaking the law.

Why why do we have so much trouble with this?

Ohhhhh I forget---bleeding heart-------------------guess whos"

annie

MNMOM
11-14-2006, 12:38 AM
You're seeing more of these towns taking matters into their own hands, seeing that the government refuses to do what it is suppose to be doing, like deporting all people here illegally.

GREEN_ALIEN
11-14-2006, 01:44 AM
What strikes me as interesting is that the ACLU is taken on the fight... The American Civil Liberties Union... If the law or odinance only affects river swimmers (illegals) then what is their issue?

Maybe it is the IACLU?

Ted

Txanne
11-14-2006, 02:28 AM
Heard on Fox news this am---that some bleeding hearts were saying this was a Federal problem and couldnt be solved by civil rule!!

What a crock of femented horse feathers----

IF the fed cant do it---the civilians can-----

Could it be that FINALLY---We're getting a backbone?

annie---CRY Freedom

MNMOM
11-14-2006, 09:51 AM
Heard on Fox news this am---that some bleeding hearts were saying this was a Federal problem and couldnt be solved by civil rule!!

What a crock of femented horse feathers----

IF the fed cant do it---the civilians can-----

Could it be that FINALLY---We're getting a backbone?



annie---CRY Freedom

I think it really will take a movement by the people to finally do something about this problem, they are doing this out in Pennsylvania now also.

Slugger
11-14-2006, 10:24 AM
I think it really will take a movement by the people to finally do something about this problem, they are doing this out in Pennsylvania now also.


A liberal Judge just put a hold on the town ordinance passed in Pennsylvania.....the "We love ILLEGALS" do-gooders there are working hard to get the whole thing squashed by the State Supreme Court there. ::) ::)