Anyone heard of this bio-diesel product?

[mangyhyena]

First and foremost let me state that I'm looking at ALL of my options when it comes to producing my own fuel. So if I'm bringing up something you all hate, please don't beat the crap out of me for asking. :-[ I'm new here and not sure how you all are going to react.

http://www.dieselsecret.com/?engine=adwords!5051&keyword=%28vegetable+oil%29&m atch_type=&gclid=COXPoo3114YCFTQhIgodij_E6Q

Ok, that link should take you to a page that is advertising a product that is supposed to be added to used, filtered cooking oil so as to produce bio-diesel. (I am in no way affiliated with this company. I am not advertising at all. Just want to know more about it from knowledgeable folks like yourselves)

If---and I do mean if---this product works the way they claim it does then the benefits would be an easier, less time consuming way to produce bio-diesel. It would require no alterations to your fuel lines, filter or diesel engine. And apparently it would start easier in the winter months.

But I'll bet you all have already checked into it and can tell me something about it, which is why I posted this.

Thanks for any info you have on it.

[fredusa]

Hadn't heard of it until now! Thanks!
Went to the site and have a comment or two---nothing concrete, just a couple of observations from me, okay?
Went to several of the internal links and found a couple of questionable pronouncements. But it was in the "comparison" where I found much fault!
If one uses a straight, but highly filtered WVO (waste vegetable oil) in a diesel engine one needs to start the vehicle on (preferably) a petroleum version of the fuel, then, when it has warmed up, and the WVO is warm enough to flow easily, one can simply turn a valve, cutting off the petroleum and introduciing the WVO into the combustion chamber.
Now, if one wishes to convert the WVO (or personally gathered vegetable oil) to a diesel fuel, using an alcohol and lye, one eliminates the need for the heat up, valve thing, because the fuel produced is SO CLOSE to petroleum distilled diesel that the is NO need for any "$800-1,200" conversion of a diesel engine. You can use it straight up, as both your home grown fuel and the engine comes from the manufacturers!
Now, I'd be willing to check further into this stuff, but with them putting such obvious lies in their site as that one I'd certainly be quite skeptical of their product! Seems like it's something to thin out (reduce the viscosity of) the WVO enough to cause it to flow easily into the pressurising pump(s) of the diesel system.
Anyone else?

[mangyhyena]

First, thanks for looking at it. Much appreciated.

Ok, learned something already. I didn't realize bio-diesel would allow the vehicle to start ok even in cold weather.

I've heard fuel lines and something else needs to be replaced if bio-diesel, in which lye is used in processing, is used. Have I heard wrong on that? No big deal to me if I have to replace a few things, just trying to get my facts straight.

[fredusa]

To the best of my knowledge all one would need is the neopreme lines, and the steel fuel lines which are pretty much common anymore---aren't they? I could be wrong on that one. But, just as some old rubber fuel lines would be eaten up using alcohol as a fuel, I'd do that precaution---i.e., make sure you have the neo intstead of rubber lines. The lye is, indeed, a catalyst, and is not nuetralised itself in the process, and could cause a problem there---but to replace a couple of fuel lines would never cost the posted (on the site) "$800-1,200"
I live in Alaska, and there are several folks here using the straight WVO (highly filtered of course) in their deisel rigs as I said above--the heater, etc. Only know of a couple folks who actually convert veggie oil to deisel equivalent, but, and I repeat, they DO NOT have some expensive conversion kits on their engines! While it may, indeed, cost $1.15/gallon or more for their fuel, and this company claims, what (?) $0.46 (?) for thiers, the statement re: the "$800-1,200" conversion kit is, to me, an out and out lie!
BTW, with the latest round of fuel price increases then decreases, gasoline here runs to about $2.64/gallon while petroleum deisel was left behind @ around $2.94/gal. So, biodeisel would seem a true bargain even @ $1.15 or so, eh?

[mangyhyena]

You know, at $3.00 per gallon right now I'm not freaking out. Americans can handle that price increase. Not without a lot of griping, of course, but they won't starve due to that increase. I know every individual circumstance is different and a few may well have been right on the line before the increase, but most Americans can handle the last increase without giving up life preserving things like food.

What motivates me to secure sources of used cooking oil to make bio-diesel are future hikes in price. While $3.00 per gallon isn't going to severely damage the nation, I believe $5.00 per gallon would easily do severe damage to our economy. And that is what I believe is coming our way eventually. I want to get off that roller coaster sooner rather than later. I swear if electric cars had better range (Enough range to do 120 miles each day on a single charge) I'd invest in one right now. But that option does not yet exist so bio-diesel is the way to go until then. Are there any diesel hybrids available yet?

Same thing with getting off the grid. Anyone notice how electricity went up during the gas price hikes? I did. They just wanted to do a little fleecing of their own, IMHO. But you can bet a time will come when power stations claim demand has outstripped supply and you can expect them to be posting record profits soon after.

Independent means being at the mercy of as few people and corporations as possible, to my way of thinking.

[luvtoretire]

Yep, it works. The whole idea is to thin it out to like diesel. This is suposed to be secret but what is so secret about mixing kerosene, diesel cleaner and their additive to kill mold?
The hard part is getting a steady flow of VO.If you have lots of time that's great,but remember once you make a deal to pick up oil you are obligated.
I think in time to come you will be able to buy cleaned VO. There was a guy in Oklahoma selling it on e-bay at $.50 a gal.

[mangyhyena]

QUOTE:There was a guy in Oklahoma selling it on e-bay at $.50 a gal. QUOTE:

Wonder just how much shipping was. BTW, what does VO stand for?

[luvtoretire]

Sorry, I should have said WVO, which is waste vegetable oil.Of course the shipping is what kills you. Now if you had your own tanker truck you could mix enough for your fuel tanks then your in business.. I couldn't find it on e-bay again but I think he is still in business because of the huge volume you could buy. In Oklahoma city, is where he was at

[mangyhyena]

I heard from someone who purchased this product. He said it didn't work. When he filled up his tank with it his truck wouldn't start.

Looks like it's a wash, so be careful.

[VillageIdjit]

First and foremost let me state that I'm looking at ALL of my options when it comes to producing my own fuel. So if I'm bringing up something you all hate, please don't beat the crap out of me for asking. :-[ I'm new here and not sure how you all are going to react.

http://www.dieselsecret.com/?engine=adwords!5051&keyword=%28vegetable+oil%29&m atch_type=&gclid=COXPoo3114YCFTQhIgodij_E6Q


But I'll bet you all have already checked into it and can tell me something about it, which is why I posted this.

Thanks for any info you have on it.

Hi MH,

I'm newer here than you but I've studied the alternative fuel industry much more than most. Don't claim to be an expert, just fairly well read.

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/419605551 will take you to the first page of a 191 page thread about "Diesel Secret". 191 pages of the "good, the bad, and the ugly". just won't be much of the" good".

To summarize the thread, use the formula of veg oil, kerosene, gasoline, and DieselSecret -- just skip the DieselSecret part of the formula.

Bob

[333]

Peace,

I have family, with doctorates in chemistry organic and inorganic. bio deisel is a credible option. Now heres a well kept secret or maybe not. Right around the advent of petroleum distillate fibers,(nylon, etc)1935 and the end of prohibition , the government turned its no longer needed alcohol police force loose on Hemp ,aka, cannabis. No coincidence because for the few millennium prior hemp was the do it all natural substance that petroleum replaced. Wars were fought over hemp, stores and production. (funny huh)see Napoleon. By no means should we do away with the benefits of good old oil , ie. plastics, etc but still the paper products alone warrant the end of the war on this versatile plant. Yes yes yes it also makes a biannually renewable (in most climates) bio deisel . Please do not discriminate , research it yourself , start with the oldest experts Jack Herer and his book "the emperor wears no clothes" not to be confused with the children's book the emperor's new clothes. Remember that the flower of this plant holds the medicinal values the stalk however does it all, paper, fuel,textiles, inks, dyes, gaskets, food, swamp control and drainage, soil regeneration , rope ,canvas , seeds ,oils, and on and on.
The sole reason this plant is persecuted is because it is a natural non polluting competition for oil. LOOK IT UP.

Peace

[DavidOH]

I see nothing here worth buying.

The information is free here on the internet on how to make bio-diesel. Their additive is not necessary. ::)

[annabella1]

This is my favorite biodiesel site:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html
It tells everything you ever wanted to know about biodiesel by people who make their own and know what they are doing. I have made a small amount of biodiesel and burned it in a kerosene lamp. You can use biodiesel in any thing that uses petroleum diesel or kerosene.

[machinemaker]

annabella1,
have you looked at the sites that show you how to build the equipment for converting wvo into bio-diesel? It is a process of adding caustic soda to separate the glycerin out of the wvo. you also might want to subscribe to a magazine / paper called Farm Show. It sells itself as innovative ideas coming out of Farm / "innovative" or self sustaining work shops. It seem like every issue has something on bio-diesel, alternative energy, along with a lot of other good ideas for those of us who like to build things and want to be self sustaining.

[annabella1]

yes I have seen the links that talk about making your own equipment, I just don't have the diesel engines to work with right now. I think a good vessel would be a glass lined water heater tank. It already has a controllable heater and all the fittings for adding the chemicals. I think I like the two stage esterification to transesterification process.
I have worked extensively with waste vegetable oil. As I was a Quality Control Tech for Tyson foods for over 8 years. We had to titrate the Free Fatty acid levels in the oil every hour to make sure it hadn't turned into something that would taste nasty.
Oh by the way 13 years ago I suggested to Tyson Foods that they would save money if they would convert their waste vegetable oil as well as waste animal fats into biodiesel to run their truck fleets. I wish I still had the suggestion form I turned in because now they are investing millions in doing just that. At the time they told me they weren't interested in getting into the fuel business. I think I deserve a little credit and maybe the award they were going to give to the best money saving idea they received. But that was a long time ago.