Not Exactly Politically Correct

[RangerRick]

Proud To Be White

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Someone finally said it.

How many are actually paying attention to this?

There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,

Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.

And then there are just Americans.

You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.

You Call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey,"

"Whitey," "Caveman" .. And that's OK.

But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger,

Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ... You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,

So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King

Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.

You have La Raza (The Race).

You have Yom Hashoah You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP.

You have BET.

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) .. We'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day .. You would call us racists.

If we had White History Month We'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to "advance" OUR lives ..

We'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of

Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

Wonder who pays for that?

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships

... You know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed

Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were "White colleges"

THAT would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching

For your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,

You would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're

Not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride ..

You call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer

Shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running

From the law and posing a threat to society .. You call him a racist.

I am proud.

But, you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists?

[Txanne]

Now thats calling an ace an ace and by God its about time someone said it outloud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have wondered many times the same questions---To Myself of course---lest I be deemed racist.

Why just awhile back--I used a word---and BAM I got it.

But then that has become the Nature of the Beast huh?

Thanks Ranger----and its good to see-ya

Txanne

[Txanne]

I have really thought of forming an anti-pc club--Texas branch of course.

Want to bet I'd be sued before the week was over?


Txanne

[padraic]

I believe you should be proud of whatever race you happen to be and do whatever is needed to better yourself and others of your race. And I agree it's just a different set of rules if you are a minority. Look at the immigration problem when did illegal mean anything other than illegal. If I do something illegal I get arrested . I thought that was how it worked anyhow.

[CarolAnn]

I just saw a special about the tallest man in the world. He's a guy in Ukraine that had a pituitary tumor. He turned down a chance to be in the Guinness Book of World Records, though, and I think what he said also speaks to this thread.

He said, "I didn't do anything by growing tall. It's just how God made me. I think people with special talents, or who work hard and make great achievements should be recognized, but all I did was grow. If anyone should be in the book of world records, it's God."

I'm not ashamed OR proud of being white. I didn't do anything to achieve it, and I didn't have any choice in the matter. It's just how God made me. He made me light skinned, pointy-nosed, thin haired and a tendency from the family to trend toward carrying large amounts of fat on the backside. If we were going to discuss what God did right and wrong, now . . . I'd do a fast swap for darker skin if I could also trade in the ample hiney, the pointy nose and the stringy hair! ;)

[RangerRick]

This PC topic is one created by the left to destroy the evils of this nation as seen through the eyes of socialism. *Socialism is their goal and diversity is the wedge by which they aim to rebuild America in the vision of Lenin.

From my many years in the military regardless the position the goal was always the same. *Teamwork, uniformity, Gung Ho (work together). *Just as JFK said many years ago, "Don't ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country". * *Our goal of E PLURIBUS UNUM (out of many, one) has always stood in direct opposition to that of diversity. *Our enemy has might tools they use against our greatest weakness which is of course our so called public servants in the form of politicians in every form.

I told my daugthers many years ago, "if you won't stand for something you'll lay down for anything". *So, do we stand for or against the political correctness of socialism?

Ranger Rick

[bookwormom]

A topic like this could easily turn into a mud slinging match. We should not resort to name calling. However, if I read correctly, that is what this post is about. One side is being slapped if it calls a name and the other side is not. But, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Now that does not mean if they can, so can we but rather, everyone behave civilized. And it hurts and rankles if one has to take it and the other is free to dish it out. And it hurts and rankles even worse to be berated for crying "ouch". This whole situation is anything but balanced and resentment is a natural consequence.

[12vman]

It's in my opinion that the original post made a point using "Labeling" words, Even though strong, But not directive, And definitely not vulgar..

The post was under scrutiny by Admin and the owners. It was believed that adults could act as adults. It was decided to let it stay..

"PC Police".. As some are "Labeled".. Are a godsend to most. Open discussions are most welcomed if done in a tasteful manner. Vulgar comments like the ones that were removed will not be tolerated!

There are times I talk like a drunken sailor myself BUT I do understand when I'm in someone else's home or among mixed company..

Quote..

"The places I have worked you could say the F word all day long and no one would care, but if you use the other ones you better get ready to fight."

This isn't a work place.. This is a public forum... ::)

[Bad_Omen]

As you all know I'm usually the first to kick off when someone starts throwing racist comments around on here, so some may find what I have to say strange.

I agree hole heartedly with the original post. Many's the time I've looked at a TV show, film or association and thought ' If that was the other way round, there'd be trouble'

I saw a trailer for a film recently called 'White Chicks' it's apparently about two black guys dressing up as white girls and the 'Hilarity' that follows. Could you imagine if I dressed up as a black girl and proceeded to take the Micky out of black culture. I'd be strung up by the end of the week.

But then it's been going on for years, you only need to think back to the Cosby show. How often did you see a white face in it? Not very and when you did they were never portrayed in a good light.

It's a never ending source of annoyance to me that 'Positive Discrimination', which is just reverse racism or put more plainly racism, is not only tolerated but positively encouraged.

It's a sad state of affairs people but you know what, it's of our own doing. We let the PC police take over and hand all the power to the 'Ethnic Minorities'. Right from day one people could've said 'No, it's supposed to be government by the people, for the people and this isn't what we want.' The same thing could've been done in Europe. The problem is far too many people kept allowing the same old people to run things for the sake of the status quo.

And now we have what we deserve, BET because black people are no different to you and I, just different enough to need their own special entertainment. Oh and god forbid regular TV doesn't stick to the quota of how many black faces need to turn up in their shows.

Never forget, all men are equal some are just more equal than others.

In closing, it was a good post, pity some people took it as an opportunity to have a little racist rant and break the forum rules.

[WileyCoyote]

What bothers me is that all cultures have good aspects and bad aspects - and lately it seems that the bad aspects are the ones that are promoted as goals to be sought after, especially in the media.

I grew up in a Southern black culture. I loved the weddings and funerals, churches and parties - so much more open and free-spirited than the relatively silent 'white' ones. The high emotion, the fun-loving and mischievous nature, the wide open hearts and hands taught me at a young age to 'cut loose and dance for joy like no one's watching, and to sing like no one was listening'.

When I moved to Texas, and then New Mexico, the Hispanic culture was similar. I felt as tho I fit right in; everyone sharing and helping each other, everyone having a good time, and if you had a dollar, you gave someone fifty cents. Friends were friends thru good times and bad.

No one from either culture ever shut me out because I was white with Irish-blue skin. We all just got along. My black girlfriends and I called each other 'sistah', and my Hispanic friends shared burritos and their homes with equal enthusiasm. They taught me to cook in real Tex-Mex style, and my Hispanic landlady taught me how to grow things in the desert.

Lately, though, in the past twenty years, the whole emotional angst and hatred and put-down-ism has raised its ugly head. I don't call black women 'sistah' any more - they get insulted. The hispanics won't talk to me, much less invite me into their homes. The gangs and hatred, fear and loathing, have gotten completely out of hand. We talk about diversity of culture - when what we really mean is diversity of class. There are still some black, hispanic and white people I would stand back-to-back with in a fight, and some (including some relatives!) I wouldn't trust behind me with a weapon. I do not judge on the basis of color or creed - but only on the basis of an inclination to do evil to someone else. Unfortunately, that isn't the way many people think about it any more. Women in commercials have gone from 'the dumb little woman' in the 50's to the smart one who has the stupid husband. I think that started the change... when we began to see that it was
"ok" to diss someone else depending on the political climate. To disrespect ANYone for their race, sex, or color is wrong.

I have the perfect right to fly a Rebel flag from my doorstep, but I don't because I don't want to hurt my black friends' feelings. Yes, their feelings come from misinformation about what the Civil War was about - but there is no point in exacerbating that. When we first heard about the flak over the Rebel flag over the SC Statehouse, few even knew it was there - white or black. Yet my black friends all said, "Who cares about a scrap of cloth? They need to raise the education and job opportunities there for everyone, not fight over material!"

Individuals are individuals, some are good, some are evil, most are in-between - and yet this nation is allowing us to hate each other and drive a wedge between each other - because it is so much easier to manipulate votes and prejudice against a faceless evil when it has a color, sex, or race.

[RangerRick]

Damn girl, well said!

;)

Rick

[Txanne]

;D

And so it goes.

Txanne

[exodus]

So who's going to change it?

Exodus

[RangerRick]

I'd say any of of us that will no longer stand for the SOS.

Rick

[Bad_Omen]

It's easy to say that people bleat on about being held back by the colour of their skin, but the fact of the matter is that it does happen.

Bellow is a good example of the kind of thing that happens all the time in the UK and I've got no doubt in the US too.

English girl barred from Government job...because she is wrong kind of white
By MARK NICOL Link to Story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=473249&in_page_id=1770&ICO =NEWS&ICL=TOPART)

Last updated at 10:27am on 5th August 2007


A teenage science student has been banned from applying for a training programme with the Environment Agency because she is white and English.

The recruitment agency handling the scheme told Abigail Howarth, 18, that there was no point in her submitting an application because of her ethnic background.

But bizarrely she could have applied if she had been white and Welsh, Scottish or Irish.

Abigail, who wanted to join the Agency's flood management programme, saw an advert in a local newspaper offering positions in the Anglia region where she lives, complete with a £13,000-a-year tax-free grant.

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Turned down: Abigail Howarth

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It made no mention of the ban on white English applicants, merely noting that candidates from ethnic minorities, such as "Asian, Indian' and "White Other, e.g. Irish, Welsh, Scottish', were encouraged to put themselves forward.

Abigail, of Little Straughton, Bedfordshire, said: "I was really disappointed. To be told being "White English" ruled me out in my home county shocked me. I know why there are positive action training schemes to assist those who are genuinely discriminated against but when it's broken down to this level it seems crazy to me.

"I really wanted to work for the agency and I was very excited - followed by feeling very disappointed.

"I would not have minded had I been beaten for the position by somebody better able than me."

Abigail, who is awaiting the results of A-Levels in environmental science, geography and geology, emailed PATH National Ltd, the company handling applications.

She asked: "Am I correct in assuming that as I am English (White) I need not apply as the preference is for the minorities you have listed, or can I apply anyway?'

Three days later, PATH recruitment officer, Bola Odusi, replied: "Thank you for your enquiry unfortunately the traineeship opportunity in <\[>sic] targeted towards the ethnic minority group to address their under representations in the professions under the Race Relations Act amended 2000."

Such a policy may breach Race Relations legislation as employers must prove ethnic groups are under-represented before using positive discrimination strategies.

The Environment Agency admitted it had 'no evidence that white Welsh, Scottish or Irish workers were under-represented' in the Anglia region.

South West Bedfordshire Tory MP Andrew Selous said: "I think this is complete nonsense and the Environment Agency should be taking the best people, irrespective of their background.

"This is obviously borne out of some idiotic quota system. Abigail should have been able to apply and been judged on her own merits. I will raise this when I have a meeting with the Environment Agency next month."

PATH National's organisational development manager, Mary McDowell, said: "The "White Welsh", "White Irish" and "White Scottish" is a technicality in law - if they are a minority, they are entitled to places on these schemes - they are not part of the majority group, which is "White English".

"The "White English" in this area are the majority group and hence could not apply.

"That is the way the law is laid. This is a chance for people who might be less employable to gain experience, just experience. Public-sector organisations have a duty to ensure they reflect the make-up of the society they serve."

The Environment Agency says 387 of its 12,000 workers claim BME (Black and Minority Ethnic) status. A spokesman added: "The Commission for Racial Equality has confirmed we are acting legally."

A CRE spokeswoman said: "The Commission will be checking with the Environment Agency to clarify the current situation regarding their positive action initiatives.

"Positive action can only be used to encourage or train particular under-represented groups."


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Now if you ask me thats just plain wrong, the poor girl should not have been discriminated against because of her ethnic background. If she had been black, brown or green and told sorry you're the wrong colour or from the wrong ethnic group, there'd be an uproar. Heads would roll, but because she was a white English lass, well thats OK. You're allowed to discriminate against them.

To my mind you can't have it both ways, you either have discrimination or you don't. If a government agency can discriminate against a white girl then surely a shop owner can say sorry I'd rather not employ a minority, I just plain don't like working with them.

Fairs fair after all and isn't that whole point of the PC police.

[admin]

Two things:

1. In the above story from England, the sentence that bothers me most is

Public-sector organisations have a duty to ensure they reflect the make-up of the society they serve.

I would think that public sector organizations have a duty to ensure the most qualified and experienced people serve their constituencies.

Does this policy apply to military and health organizations in the UK?

Do we really want less qualified doctors treating us just so the emergency room staff will "look like" the population it serve?

2. Those following this thread may be interested to know that the thread is the subject of BHM publisher Dave Duffy's August 3rd blog post.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/DaveDuffy/

Comments and responses to the blog post should be made in the blog, thought discussion may certainly continue here.


Oliver

[admin]

Fairs fair after all and isn't that whole point of the PC police.
No. The whole point of Political Correctness is to silence those with non-PC-approved viewpoints, especially those founded on logic and reason.


Oliver

[Bad_Omen]

No. *The whole point of Political Correctness is to silence those with non-PC-approved viewpoints, especially those founded on logic and reason.


Oliver



Ah well, logic and reason, since when has that had anything to do with it?

You should know by now they're no defence against the mighty PC juggernaut.

It's sad but you are of course 100% correct.

[RangerRick]

No. *The whole point of Political Correctness is to silence those with non-PC-approved viewpoints, especially those founded on logic and reason.


Oliver



Yes Oliver, I do believe you got it, and what better way than by publicly be-smugging ones name, character, ideas and beliefs, rather correctly understood or no, it matters not. *To hold one under ridicule through accusation or assumption. *To tout a wide repertoire of deeds, acquaintances and friends of varied backgrounds. *That same set of experiences that we all share. *Understanding that the quality of those personages, as like kinds attract, we usually find similar ideals and values, especially regarding political correctness and the value of right vs wrong. * All the while, the politically correct go leaving the implied banner of racism unsaid.

To publicly slander one without the least thought of a personal discussion. *It's enough to leave the planted bias for all to see and step back and hopefully watch ones lackeys carry on where the PC *chooses not to tread. *

Yes, political correctness is a vile and multifaceted tool and unfortunately we see it all too often and sometime, unfortunately in those we would not normally expect.

Why can't we just all get along? *It's beyond me as we as people have always had this difficulty with each other throughout the history of the world. *Fear, hate, greed, I suppose the list could be endless. *I see racism as a two-edged sword. *One being the racism that all peoples throughout history have displayed regardless of the utterances from the mouth as it is truly an illness of the heart. *Of course, the backside of that sword is the power stroke. *Through the use of that power generated by political correctness the supposed injured gain a means of strength, of revenge, of the superior racism of the politically astute. *After all, political correctness is really all about power. *It reminds me of ships at sea and the law of gross tonnage. *That being, the ship with the "grosses" tonnage makes the law and we had better all attend there to or be justly crushed.

Ranger Rick

[gracie88]

Here is a question for those in the tinfoil hats. What if this PCness and racism is being overreported and overemphasized to divide us; to cause deep social rifts? I do not mean to say there is no problem, people are people after all. I can count, on one hand with a couple fingers left over, the number of times I have personally witnessed overt racism, yet I am constantly bombarded by media with ugly, hateful images of racism, intolerance and pure spite from all directions. This leads me to believe that I live among exceptionally enlightened people or maybe it is not as pervasive as we are led to believe.

When Iwas a kid in AK, we lived near a small town on a small island. I was one of two white kids in a class of twenty. I do not remember it ever being a big deal except for a bit of teen angst. I felt like a pasty, pale giant among the other girls who were all short and quick and had beautiful, smooth black hair. I got a lot of attention from the boys. Looking back I suspect that was because it was a rather isolated community. I was one of the few girls that was not everyone's cousin. (Great argument for marrying outside your race; it deepens the gene pool ;)

While my community is predominately white, many families have adopted children from Africa and a few from India. This makes for some colorful families. One boy recently caught my very young sons' eyes, not because of his nearly blue-black skin, but because of his "cool" camo clothes. It is not that they do not see a difference in their friends appearances, but no one has told them that it should be a significant difference.

In this world of "us" and "them", those kids adopted by my neigbors and friends are more part of my "us" than, say, an east coast businessman no matter how WASPy he looks and maybe that answers my question. When you live, work, play, and buy locally, you have an "us" based on proximity which can include an incredible variety. When as a country we work in one place, spend our money all over the globe and do our playing vicariously through TV then maybe the best "us" we can come up with is others with that look kind of like us.