fight at the pizza parlor

[bookwormom]

guys, if I were more computer savvy I would provide a link, but if you type in youtube pizza parlor fight you get it just as well.
Look it up, I thought it would turn into a free for all, but nobody lifted a finger to help the guy. what would/can you do in such a situation?

[DaNgEr_KiTtY]

i pulled it up on google & it was practically a flashback to other things i have seen. i would prolly be in trouble if i were around that & dealing with lawsuits today but i would have decked the guy.

[edward_4576]

Like Rick, I'm careful about where I go. The wife and I used to go out and shoot pool and have a couple of beers. Now a days you can't be sure what can happen. Recently someone got tossed out of a bar cause he was drunk, came back 10 minutes later with a gun and shot the place up.

Places that used to be quaint or homey are gone. We stay at home mostly and have a few beers at home and watch COPS and just be thankful that we are "normal".

Also like Rick, I think I would probably do something to help a family, but if it came down to "low lifes", well as my wife likes to say:

Thin the herd....

[MNMOM]

Hubby and I tune into Cops once in a while, and the herd definitely needs thinning. ;)

[Mysticdream44]

What gets me about that video is the black woman is screaming the "F" word constantly, spits on the man behind the counter, then starts screaming at the white guy who is on the phone and not even looking at her at the time, then the big black guy sucker punches this guy and beat the heck out of him and no does anything.

But what really gets me was if this was a white guy beating up a black guy, every black guy in the place would have jumped him or shot him or at the very least been calling him a racist.
But it perfectly ok for a big black guy to beat on a white guy and nothing is said. Its not on the news, I haven't heard a thing about it until I got on here, but at the very least it seems it should be a hate crime same as if it were white on black.

[NowKnowYe]

I always bring my friends, Ruger, Smith & Wesson with me to any carry-out joint, restaurant or liquor store. They say traveling in groups is safer.... ;D

[Matthew]

The attacker got four years. Here's the link:

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4213293/detail.html

[bigriks300]

you can call me a racist if you wish. YOu can call me a macho idiot if you wish. If a woman acts like that you smack her boyfriend; period. If a man acts like that you, AT LEAST, fight back. If you see this action occurring just do the same thing the woman was doing; SCREAM LIKE A BITCH about how she's out of line. Then, when her poor bf jumps in you bust out a can of woop ass. I can't believe all those people just stood there.

I have yet in my 40 years of living had the neccesity to hit a woman. In this man's case, as I've travelled extensievly, I have on occasion had to resort to hitting the boyfriend/husband. She was warned "back up and quit acting like a man" her quip? "yoiu going to hit a woman"? my response was to knock her boyfriend on his ass; twice.


This be nice to people of color crap has to end. Blacks, in large numbers, have taken advantage of the political climate and enough is enough. I had the misfortune to live in Michigan for a while; Detroit sucks ass. Enough with the coddling. Enough with charging someone with a hate crime because their skin is different. I've had several black women cut in line in front of me; believe me when I say I have NOOO, problem creating MORE of a scene than them, always.

I'm sickend by what I saw; not to mention who taught that guy how to fight??

[Mysticdream44]

The attacker got four years. Here's the link:

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4213293/detail.html


They should have jailed the woman too since she started the whole thing by cutting in line. >:( >:( She should also be going to prison.

[Crash]

you can call me a racist if you wish. YOu can call me a macho idiot if you wish. If a woman acts like that you smack her boyfriend; period. If a man acts like that you, AT LEAST, fight back. If you see this action occurring just do the same thing the woman was doing; SCREAM LIKE A BITCH about how she's out of line. Then, when her poor bf jumps in you bust out a can of woop ass. I can't believe all those people just stood there.

I have yet in my 40 years of living had the neccesity to hit a woman. In this man's case, as I've travelled extensievly, I have on occasion had to resort to hitting the boyfriend/husband. She was warned "back up and quit acting like a man" her quip? "yoiu going to hit a woman"? my response was to knock her boyfriend on his ass; twice.


This be nice to people of color crap has to end. Blacks, in large numbers, have taken advantage of the political climate and enough is enough. I had the misfortune to live in Michigan for a while; Detroit sucks ass. Enough with the coddling. Enough with charging someone with a hate crime because their skin is different. I've had several black women cut in line in front of me; believe me when I say I have NOOO, problem creating MORE of a scene than them, always.

I'm sickend by what I saw; not to mention who taught that guy how to fight??

bigriks300,

I don't know how I would have reacted if I had been there, but I'm not sure that telling people to hit her boyfriend is very good advice. I'm 5'6" tall and weigh 155 lbs, so I don't think I'm going to attack a guy who's 10" taller and 140 lbs heavier than I am. However, if he had attacked me and I would have been able to respond, then I would have drawn my CCW and "persuaded him of the error of his ways."

Crash

[bigriks300]

Trust me Crash; he won't see it coming. Not only that but she'll absolutely FREAK OUT. Just do what you know; break his nose on the first hit. If his woman is so attached to her feminist ways then, you, as a southern gentleman can only respond in an honorable way; knock the hell out of her man. Then, just maybe, she'll think the next time BEFORE she shoots off her big mouth.

Women that act in this manner sicken me. I can't pop her one and so she thinks she can treat me like some sort of kid with impunity; NOPE, not now, not ever.

[333]

Peace,

Interesting, and deplorable, and very typical behavior,
not for pizza parlors per say, But at clubs,
especially on Hip Hop night, Rock in Roll nights are rather calm and peaceable, a little rowdy,
Latino Night much the same, them folks just want to dance, unless some one messes with some ones else's girl.
But HIP HOP Night was like the FULL MOON every Saturday. These folks would fight over nothing, and the women were the worst, you right BIG RICKS when you say they completely exploit the race card. They think they own everything and everyone in the club, there were many altercations I had to intercede, most of the time the men they were with after eyeball contact would step off, and settle down or leave. Yet several times the women were out of control, I mean tyrannical crazy. Like traditional chivalry I would look to their "man" first, when they raised their hands as if to say "its your job dog", I would try polite ONCE if they failed to respond, far as I am concerned equal rights is equal rights this is the 21 st century, disrespect the safety of others and establishment that I am entrusted to protect,
get all rowdy like a 250 lb man, male / female I'm gonna treat you the same either way.
Chivalry is dead just like common sense in this country.

That big dude crushed that mans face, crushed his eye socket, in the pizza parlor and it is his own fault for standing toe to toe with him. Its either go or no go, you never, never cede you safe distance, and if that distance gets violated, GO or Get GOING.

For what its worth,

Peace

[edward_4576]

For a guy that has to wear "heels" to see 5'5" I have a distinct view (usually up) about stuff like this I learned from my dad and life about such things. Dad taught me to never hit a woman, don't start a fight and walk away if you can, and if you have to fight do what you have to to win. I have come up with a technique that I call ear fighting. The human ear is connected to the skull by a relatively weak amount of flesh, yank it off and hit the guy in the face with it. People hit with their own body parts usually freak out and ask for them back and go looking for a DR. or at the very least realize you are serious ....

[Bad_Omen]

Thats certainly one way to go about things Edward. Remind me never to to get into fisticuff's with you.

A few things I always found useful for those situations when you can't get out of a fight is that an opponent can't fight if he can't see or breath.

A sharp blow to the bridge of the nose usually results in tears welling up in the eyes making it very difficult to continue a fight, gives you a chance to either finish it or pull out.

A more risky approach is to clout him in the windpipe. This usually ends things quickly, but of course you run the risk of crushing the windpipe and ending things permanently. Which of course leads to mountains of paperwork for some poor cop and a trip to the cells for you.

333, you mentioned 'personal space' sometimes I've found space needs to be closed down. I got into an altercation once in London and the argument just went from bad to worse (alcohol may well have been a factor ;)). Anyway the chap got so irate he produced a baseball bat and looked pretty ready to get swinging. Since self-defence is not an option in the UK anymore, what with criminals having more rights than you, I knew I had to calm things down ideally without throwing the first punch. What I did was close him right down, got up real close with my arms out stretched. This meant he couldn't swing the bat as he had it in front of him. It also gave off some strong psychological signals. The combination of being in his space (with the bat) and the 'open' posture shows you're in control and not in the least bit scared.

It's a trick I learnt from the armed police in London (worked with them a few times), when they stand around you'll find that they have their legs apart and head slightly back. They're exposing their most vulnerable bits, which if the psychologists are to be believed, gives off a subconscious message that they are supremely confident and you shouldn't mess with them. By all accounts its a very aggressive subconscious message without being visually aggressive.

All I know is when I've used the technique 9 times out of 10 the other party has backed down. By the way I'm not built like an brick brouthouse either. Tall but slim, so if I'm gonna intimidate someone I can't use size.

[333]

Peace,

Stand up straight, and look them in the eye 9 out 10 they going to look for a way out, give it to them. I agree.

But most people can't even under normal circumstances, look you in the eye. Its primal/ innate, if you will, first impression, dominant will look , submissive will look away.


Most people are desensitized by Hollywood, they do not realize how easy lethal force with the empty hand. Really is.

Their are mind numbing pressure points all over the body.

Pizza dude should have walked out while he was on his phone.

Peace

[DaNgEr_KiTtY]

edward dr ruth says size doesnt matter. ok no more about what that meant! but really it doesnt when it comes to defending yourself. i lived in hawaii until age 11 & was taller than most of the locals & asian immigrants. i was in many a vicious fight there (because i was white, had shoes or whatever). they didnt care if they were smaller. moving back to the states i was the shortest in my grade except for 2 asian students. oh then i was also living in low income neighborhood & going to prominently black schools. a good target....the little white boy. i never lost a fight in my life. came close to losing my life a few times but i have been lucky. unfortunately i have had many after i left school.

333 makes a perfect point, the pressure point. i cant say enough times how important it is to get some good self defense training along with self defense education. you have to practice also. you can hit someone in their outer thigh & knock them out on that pressure point. next easy target is either side of neck. moderate physical strenth is required to do both those things. i learned what i know from martial artists & some training with special forces guys.

my dad told me one thing that i will never forget. he knew i wouldnt be starting fights at my size. he told me that if i ever got into a fight that there are no rules. he said to fight like an animal & pick up & use whatever if i have to but make sure i get it over with fast. he said you never know once a person tries to harm you....you could lose your teeth, an eye or maybe your life, even if that wasnt the intention. that advice was good & people knew when i was growing up that picking a fight with me was gonna be messy.

i believe that no matter what we have to stand up as men & protect the innocent when they need defending. doing the right thing isnt always gonna be the easiest. i have seen my father at 62 years old stand up to defend someone & scared off 3 punks with just attitude. one of them was 6'1 & 210lbs was all muscle bound. he told the big guy "if you dont get the f&%$ outta here right now you are gonna have to kill me, cause if ya dont then dont plan on sleeping again cause i will come & kill your whole f'ing family!" i was impressed as he stared the young man down & i was convinced at the time he coulda taken all 3 out.

no matter what though you have to walk the paths of your life wisely. if you want to have less of a chance of being caught up in this pizza parlor tragedy get outta the large crime ridden cities. crazy stuff like that does happen around here but its not very often.....but it is happening everywhere really. even on peoples private property out in the country. freaks are everywhere but just in a higher concentration in cities so we all have to be prepared to defend ourselves anytime anywhere.

[DV8]

I saw this before. if it were me I'd have gone around the counter & grabbed the Biggest knife they had & as soon as I was done carving the Fat guy a new mouth in his neck region, I'd probably go after the hooker that caused it all with her Big Mouth !!!

surely since they dont help this poor guy, noone would try to stop him with a huge butcher knife gettin some get-back !!!

it's a shame tho that people wouldnt even try to stop it.. but thats how big city's are. I lived in Baltimore, & saw it daily. these types of people really make me sick

~DV8

[333]

Peace,


333 makes a perfect point, the pressure point. i cant say enough times how important it is to get some good self defense training along with self defense education. you have to practice also. you can hit someone in their outer thigh NON LETHAL & knock them out on that pressure point. next easy target is either side of neck. LETHAL FORCE, BAD KITTY, contusion can/will restrict circulatory process even permanently. moderate physical strength is required to do both those things. i learned what i know from martial artists & some training with special forces guys.

Thanks DK ,

Remember pressure points,
like people,
All feel some,
Some feel all, but
All do not feel, All

When in doubt take some flesh and twist, we used to call that a Monkey Bite.

333

[Bad_Omen]

The problem with pressure points to my mind is that you’re looking at an unmarked target. If you hit them just right and as 333 points out the person is susceptible to that point, great. If you miss or they don’t react, all you’ll do is annoy them. I was taught every strike needs to count and you need to end the engagement as fast as possible.

A few people mentioned the bystanders not getting involved. Well that’s a difficult one to call. On the one hand it sickens me that we live in a society where people can stand by like that while some poor sod’s taking a beating. On the other hand self preservation is just as important. Your first responsibility is to you and your family. If I’d stepped in and got a beating, winding up in hospital, who’s going to support my family, I’m self employed, if I don’t work we don’t eat.

Stepping in to help out can backfire quite spectacularly at times. Many years ago in SA I was busy in the front garden of our house in a quiet respectable suburb of Johannesburg when I heard a ruckus out side. I went out to check it out. Wasn’t carrying my gun but couldn’t be arsed to go in and get it, first mistake. Anyway there was a black fellow dragging a black woman down the street by her hair, stopping every few yards to beat her. Well I couldn’t stand by and watch that, so I waded in and pulled him off. He took a swing at me which I avoided and just grabbed him on the over swing and put him in a wrist lock. He was all liquored up so it wasn’t a big deal. Unfortunately so was the woman. The next thing I know she’s coming at me with a rock, screaming for me to leave him alone. That put me in a kinda sh***y position. I now had to let him go to avoid being clouted round the head by the woman I was trying to save. I was now faced with two threats, luckily someone had called the cops and they helped out by arresting both of them.

When I told my Dad about it he just laughed. He done exactly the same thing in his youth and learned the hard way not to get involved. The woman had come at him with a screwdriver! He at least had a gun on him.

The moral is’ the best of intentions can get you killed’ so be careful when thinking of helping out that damsel in distress. *

[333]

Peace,

Relatively new legislation in NY, Domestic disturbance, someone goes to jail no matter what, If the police have to come out for D.D. some one is going for a ride, precisely because of this behavior.

Those bystanders could have just as easily smothered the little fellow, and pulled him into their ranks away from the conflict, passive but effective. Making Squares so to speak.

Bad Omen I think thats the first foul word you've ever used , :-[

Unless theres lethal force being used, It is best to not turn the aggressors attention to you. Believe it or not quality observance / witness is more than most would do. And is of great service to the justice system.

Peace

[Bad_Omen]

Good points there 333.

Sorry 'bout the language, I guess my fingers ran away with me, I'm sure you know what it's like when the blood gets up. :D

[333]

Peace,

Eloquence, LOL

I have no blood, only chemical substitute from Dupont, ;)

[Bad_Omen]

Peace,

Eloquence, LOL

I have no blood, only chemical substitute from Dupont, *;)



:o

[333]

peace,

No joke,

My brother for his internship, PHD requirements had to work in their labs , this was some time ago, they were working on a blood "substitute" sort of like a anti freeze, for possible space travel cryogenic application. Scary Interesting stuff.

333

[edward_4576]

Well several more things on this thread. First thing to keep in mind is that I am my families protector and provider. By placing myself in jeopardy I endanger them.

An earlier post in this thread echoed something my parents taught me, if you are going to fight there are no kid gloves.

Now 333 was talking about blood, here's cold blood. I feel sorry for people who get into predicaments like what happened here but if your not aware of your environment, are cautious about your interactions with unknown people and you get into trouble well that's your problem. If you get into a relationship or have friends that are abusive or dangerous or stupid and you get into trouble again that's your problem.

If you insist on participating in an activity or undertake an action that is inherently dangerous or stupid well remember the saying "Thin the herd".

Oh, and one last thing, home made pizza tastes a hell of a lot better then the stuff you can buy (sometimes).