Words of wisdom for the states rights fanatics

[flaja]

U.S. Supreme Court Rulings:

Fletcher v. Peck

“…Georgia cannot be viewed as a single, unconnected, sovereign power, on whose legislature no other restrictions are imposed than may be found in its own constitution. She is a part of a large empire; she is a member of the American union; and that union has a constitution the supremacy of which all acknowledge, and which imposes limits to the legislatures of the several states, which none claim a right to pass.”


McColloch v. Maryland

“Since, then, the constitutional government of this republican empire cannot be practically enforced, so as to secure the permanent glory, safety and felicity of this great country, but by a fair and liberal interpretation of its powers; since those powers could not all be expressed in the constitution, but many of them must be taken by implication; since the sovereign powers of the Union are supreme, and, wherever they come in direct conflict and repugnancy with those of the state governments, the latter must give way…”

[billy_goat_gruff]

Argumentum ad verecundiam

The guns in the hands of U.S. Grant's men validated the lack of state's rights approximately a half century after these rulings were delivered.

Neither ruling seemed to address state's rights directly though. Might want to look up what the true thrust was in each, just for edification...

[bigriks300]

"but many of them must be taken by implication; since the sovereign powers of the Union are supreme, and, wherever they come in direct conflict and repugnancy with those of the state governments, the latter must give way"

Unfortuneatly this was, yet another, coup perpetrated by the Supreme court. The ignored the black and white statement of the constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


In our constitution the states rights don't give way to the federal government; it's the other way around.

Consider this decision:Kelo v. City of New London , No. 04-108.

This is the decision that allows STATE governments to take property from one person and give it to another person. A disgusting decision to be sure.
However, this decision flies in the face of Federal supremacy as you can read here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html


The constitution is unique in that it/was written to LIMIT the power of a federal government. Further, I don't get my rights FROM the constitution; I get them from my creator. The only limit to my rights are that I don't harm others or others property.

This is the corruption that has taken place over the last several decades; that my rights are enumerated in the constitution. They are not. The only thing inumerated in the constitution are rights that CANNOT, EVER, be violated.

[Crash]

"but many of them must be taken by implication; since the sovereign powers of the Union are supreme, and, wherever they come in direct conflict and repugnancy with those of the state governments, the latter must give way"

Unfortuneatly *this was, yet another, coup perpetrated by the Supreme court. The ignored the black and white statement of the constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


In our constitution the states rights don't give way to the federal government; it's the other way around.

Consider this decision:Kelo v. City of New London , No. 04-108.

This is the decision that allows STATE governments to take property from one person and give it to another person. A disgusting decision to be sure.
However, this decision flies in the face of Federal supremacy as you can read here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html


The constitution is unique in that it/was written to LIMIT the power of a federal government. Further, I don't get my rights FROM the constitution; I get them from my creator. The only limit to my rights are that I don't harm others or others property.

This is the corruption that has taken place over the last several decades; that my rights are enumerated in the constitution. They are not. The only thing inumerated in the constitution are rights that CANNOT, EVER, be violated.

bigriks300,

Right on! Well said!

And since the 2nd Amendment states "....the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.," how does the state get away with infringing on my rights by regulating and limiting how I will bear arms? Sorry, that's really just a rhetorical question to which I know the answer(s):

a. Because they can....

b. Acquire more power over our lives....

c. Feed the state's coffers...

Crash

[Rick_O_Shea]

...how does the state get away with infringing on my rights...
Ultimately, it's because we the people are too fat, stupid and lazy.

You want to point a finger at the real villains? Look around at the vacant drones dragging their knuckles along while braying about how proud they are to be American.

Perhaps Al Qaida will be doing us a net favor by vaporizing a few hundred thousand of them...

[otobesane1]

Rick, as much as I would hate to see it, perhaps a few hundred thousand object lessons would wake up some of the sheeple. New York, LA or any of the infested larger cities would do fine. How quickly we forget who started this mess in the first place.

[DaNgEr_KiTtY]

rick i have assumed that will happen for a long time. glad to know there are still people ready.

[oldnndway]

" You want to point a finger at the real villains? Look around at the vacant drones dragging their knuckles along while braying about how proud they are to be American. "

Rick, I don't know if that was particularly pointed at me but since I have often made that statement on here I assume it is.

I AM proud to be an American ... DAMN PROUD !

I can't say that this country hasn't done some wrong over the years but at the same time if you can't see the good that America has achieved in the last 200 years or so then you are blind.

Not a particular party or person but the country as a whole.
America is a light shining brightly on a hill.

Why do you think everyone wants to come here ?
and more especially, where would YOU think is better ?

...and I don't consider myself to be a drone nor do my knuckles drag on anything


and I add :

"Perhaps Al Qaida will be doing us a net favor by vaporizing a few hundred thousand of them... "

I can't believe any of y'all could say or agree with that.
What if those "few hundred thousand" include your family or loved ones ?

[Rick_O_Shea]

Rick, I don't know if that was particularly pointed at me but since I have often made that statement on here I assume it is.
No. Pure coincidence. I'm relatively new here and have no idea who you are. Nor do I care.
I AM proud to be an American ... DAMN PROUD !
How nice. You can put your feet up now.
I can't say that this country hasn't done some wrong over the years...the country as a whole.
Nope. People. Always people. It is a demonstration of extreme intellectual laziness to attempt to abstract the wrongs of the past into "the country as a whole". Such laziness is the keystone of the left.
America is a light shining brightly on a hill.
Take it easy boy...you're choking me up.
Why do you think everyone wants to come here ?
and more especially, where would YOU think is better ?
I'm not critical of America...America is the pinnacle of human civilization. There is nowhere better, either now or throughout history.

I'm critical of the freeloading people that disgrace America. They are a cancer.


"Perhaps Al Qaida will be doing us a net favor by vaporizing a few hundred thousand of them... "

I can't believe any of y'all could say or agree with that.
What if those "few hundred thousand" include your family or loved ones ?

The "them" I was referring to are the "drones", and they don't include anyone I care for. America would be better off without them. Think of it as a 'nuclear cull' for the benefit of our civilization. It's a lot more humane than a bullet.

[333]

peace,

Depending on the age of the individual, if one were to ask them,

"what is the definition of america and american values?"

You would most definitly receive very different definitions.

The very small window of philosophical thought that birthed this nation, in retrospect, indeed was bestowed upon the"sovereign " individual. History is rife with the presumption that the state is supreme and a man is only as good as his state. This nation was irrefutably new in its thinking that the individual is supreme and only after he does his best for himself ,barring harm to his neighbor , can he then do his best for his state, and only when the state does its best for its people can the state be most beneficial to the union or nation.

Liberty is synonymus with personal responsibilty.

Forsake either and we may as well have remained loyalist to the almighty, royal, sanctioned "king" of england.

"One tyrant a thousand miles away, or one thousand tyrants a mile away"

So I pose the query "What is the definition of America?"

What does it mean to be American today?

Peace

[Rick_O_Shea]

I find your style of wrapping your posts in "peace" very annoying.

It makes me want to punch something.

A kitten. While it sleeps. In the back of its head.

[333]

I find your style of wrapping your posts in "peace" very annoying.

It makes me want to punch something.

A kitten. While it sleeps. In the back of its head.

Peace,

Thats hilarious , vent, kill a kitten if you will, or perhaps I could start with something more to your specific liking and surrender my individualism as well any ideas ? ;)

I make no mention of the stereo typing oshea and the alcohol picture that accompanies it, why not a six pack and a potatoe ? to each their own and Iam teasing as i hope you are as well ;D ;D ;D

Peace

[Rick_O_Shea]

Carnage


Yep...just having some dumb fun s'all ;-)


Carnage

[333]

peace,

carnage i love it

Peace

[candy]

Excellent Post Big Riks.

I agree whole heartedly. The day is coming when states will be all we have.

"but many of them must be taken by implication; since the sovereign powers of the Union are supreme, and, wherever they come in direct conflict and repugnancy with those of the state governments, the latter must give way"

Unfortuneatly this was, yet another, coup perpetrated by the Supreme court. The ignored the black and white statement of the constitution:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


In our constitution the states rights don't give way to the federal government; it's the other way around.

Consider this decision:Kelo v. City of New London , No. 04-108.

This is the decision that allows STATE governments to take property from one person and give it to another person. A disgusting decision to be sure.
However, this decision flies in the face of Federal supremacy as you can read here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/23/AR2005062300783_pf.html


The constitution is unique in that it/was written to LIMIT the power of a federal government. Further, I don't get my rights FROM the constitution; I get them from my creator. The only limit to my rights are that I don't harm others or others property.

This is the corruption that has taken place over the last several decades; that my rights are enumerated in the constitution. They are not. The only thing inumerated in the constitution are rights that CANNOT, EVER, be violated.

[333]

Peace,

The whole real reason for the civil war, bravo, well stated,

Even back then they had their spin doctors, slavery, was the cover up for all the state vs federal supremacy, supreme court battles, Steam boats and river rights, escaped and returned slaves, these things I believe proceeded the war between the states, and were adamantly argued leading the nation into war. The split feelings were so immense that support for the war was horrible,loss after loss to the south, then Lincoln spun it to a cause that would undoubtedly rally the north in full. Classic diversionary techniques.


Washington, C.C. 1 January 1863

- Abolition of Slavery By the President of the United States of America: A Proclamation.

Whereas, on the 22nd twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, 1862 a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

"That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against the United States."

Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit: Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons. And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.

And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service. And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the City of Washington, this first day of? January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the eighty-seventh.

By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.