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Dave
05-26-2009, 08:38 AM
I have a good friend of mine who is working on a mission farm in Haiti. They currently have 10 fish ponds that need aeration but each pond has a pump drawling 7 AMPS at 120V pretty much continuously. Power in Haiti is unreliable to put it nicely.

They are discussing the possibility of replacing all of these pond pump systems with solar power solutions.

There are two trains of thought here.

1) Use the in place 120V AC pumps and replace grid power with solar and inverters.

2) Replace the AC pumps with DC pumps to potentially reduce requirements and complexity (We are talking about a 3rd world nation).

Obviously there are lot of variable here. My goal is to help my friend put together the most cost effective but reliable system as possible. They are hoping to increase the yield of the current system so they can literally feed more kids who depend on the food supply from this farm.

Quite literally, the overall success of this project will save lives.

I couldn't think of a better place where I could post this question and hope potentially come up with a workable and affordable solution. The people involved in this mission are literally funding this project out of their pockets.

So far here is what I have calculated using the current 120V Pumps:

120V electric pumps, a 7AMP drawl at 120V would equate to 840 Watt/hrs. 840 Watts at 24 hrs a day would equal 20,160 Watts total consumption every 24 hours. Additionally, 7 AMPs would drawl about 175 AMP hours through the course of the day meaning your should have a battery bank capable of ideally 700 AMP Hours (considering you lose about 10% of your power in the DC to AC conversion process).

Naturally, you will require a solar array large enough to replenish the total used power. Assuming you have 8 hours a day of peak sun light, you would need to generate 20,160watts / 8hrs = 2520 watts per hour. This is a pretty sizable solar array because you have to account for "cloudy days" in your calculations.

Your battery array would likely consist of 8, 6V 175AH (or greater) batteries with two sets of four batteries wired in series and then combined in parallel in create 24VDC to your inverter.

This system could be pretty costly when you consider you are doing this 10 times for each pond.


Thank you!

Dave

Anon001
05-26-2009, 09:07 AM
How large is each pond? What about the wind aerators?

Dave
05-26-2009, 09:49 AM
I will ask about the pond sizes... I am guessing quarter acre ponds but I will verify this information.

Wind was the first thing that came to mind to be honest. I will be grabbing lunch with my friend tomorrow to ask him more questions and of course offer alternatives like wind. Not being familiar with what region in Haiti, I am not sure if wind would be an option.

I will ask him about that. Haiti obviously has quite a bit of sunlight which is probably why they went down the solar path first. Additionally, quite a bit of Haiti should have a sea breeze making wind a possible solution and maybe the least complicated; however, I am not sure how far inland they are.

Here is a pretty cheap wind aeration tower just doing some quick searching: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=5163+9326+16106&pcatid=16106

Dave

12vman
05-26-2009, 09:55 AM
Since wind may be a possibility, check these (http://www.aire-dynamics.com/windmill_aeration.html?gclid=CM6DwsvG2poCFQuCkwod5 m9kVA) out.

randallhilton
05-26-2009, 02:32 PM
I have a good friend of mine who is working on a mission farm in Haiti. They currently have 10 fish ponds that need aeration but each pond has a pump drawling 7 AMPS at 120V pretty much continuously. Power in Haiti is unreliable to put it nicely.

They are discussing the possibility of replacing all of these pond pump systems with solar power solutions.


I would shake up the etch-a-sketch and start fresh by pondering the the actual need. What size do the pumps really need to be? (can they be smaller?). What happens if they don't run 24/7? Can they "rest" for a few hours at night? Are the winds reliable enough to use windmill pumps? Can the grid be used as a backup source?

Dave
05-27-2009, 05:18 AM
I would agree with shaking up the variables. I am going to sit down with him today or tomorrow and try and download as much information about their situation as possible.

Anything is an option.

Dave

CarolAnn
05-27-2009, 04:08 PM
If wind is an option, consider a wind turbine. Here's a link to a home-made one: http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turbine/index.html

What they actually need is a volunteer group of retired guys: mechanical engineers, mechanics, welders & creative thinkers. Is it easier to pump water up and let it splash down for aeration, or easier to pump air directly into the pond through some sort of airstone to break up the bubbles? Believe me, there are loads of people with serious skills who would love to put them to use again - if someone just respected them enough to ask!

Dave
05-28-2009, 06:02 AM
If wind is an option, consider a wind turbine. Here's a link to a home-made one: http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turbine/index.html

What they actually need is a volunteer group of retired guys: mechanical engineers, mechanics, welders & creative thinkers. Is it easier to pump water up and let it splash down for aeration, or easier to pump air directly into the pond through some sort of airstone to break up the bubbles? Believe me, there are loads of people with serious skills who would love to put them to use again - if someone just respected them enough to ask!


Great site!

I am a relatively young man in my lower 30s. That being said, I have always been comfortable asking older and wiser folks who have been there and done it already. I fully agree with your sentiment in that there is a huge wealth of knowledge that would love to be back in the game again. As a child, I use to watch my Papa build all sorts of things from the ground up. I was amazed at his determination and ability to fabricate and to be honest I attribute him for my desires today of self reliance.

I found and interesting link which brought back all sorts of memories of his workshop. I suspect he built just about everything on this site: http://www.countryplans.com/vintage_farm/

Dave

Dave
05-28-2009, 06:07 AM
Update:

I covered QUITE a few possibilities... Here are some options we will evaluate:

1) Wind driven aeration. They will probe areas to see if they can get a tower high enough for reasonable air flow.

2) Water Turbine. TURNS OUT, that they have a mountain stream from which they fill the ponds. Naturally, I was excited about using a Water Turbine. They are going to check what the current GPM flow rate is and of course how much elevation drop they have. This could turn out to be a real possibility and something they never considered.

3) Solar, obviously they have quite a bit of sun in Haiti. If it turns out we can use a water turbine we might add solar just to augment the charge.

One thing I did determine to my relief is they only plan to run the aerators about 8 hours a day. This is MUCH more manageable and significantly reduces the size of the system.

We may have some GREAT real options.

Dave