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Old 07-02-2012, 01:09 AM
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I have been thinking about mercy all day. God's mercy to us. What mercy I show or don't show to others. And what type of a person I want to be inside, what type of a heart I want to have.

We were at the hospital ER last night until just before daylight this morning. (everyone's fine now, so no worries). There were two dept of corrections officers there with a man from the kiddie porn prison in the next exam area just behind the curtain. He was handcuffed to the gurney. He looked old, and was semi-conscious. I have no idea exactly what he did to get into that prison or to still be in prison at that age. But it is a max prison for child sex abusers, so it must have been bad.

One nurse kept coming back, trying to rouse him up for several hours. All night long that same nurse was very respectful and kind to him. More than any of the other hospital workers, and definitely more than the guards. At one point the doctor ordered a catheter for him, and a couple of the workers made the joke, "well that'll bring him to". The guards laughed, and several times there were nasty jokes made about the man with little respect shown by one person or another. Around midnight, the nurse did rouse him a bit, asked if he was in pain, and had they been giving him his morphine regularly. He asked her so politely if he could lay on his side, so she rolled him. He fell unconscious again within a minute or two. It was suggested the man be admitted, but the guards said no, they had to take him back after treatment. They said they tried to give him his pain pills, but he was "out" and couldn't take them. The last few statements I heard before we left the hospital was the doctor telling the guards all they could do was try to keep him comfortable at this time. I believe he was dying.

I've thought about this man, "jordy" all day. He is going to die in prison, probably chained to a bed, with no loved ones at his side, nobody to grieve over his pain, nobody that cares, while people make nasty jokes of snide comments about his plight. He will probably suffer with no major painkillers to ease the symptoms associated with whatever disease he is dying from. He will probably be dumped in a grave behind the prison in the cheapest manner possible.

For the 7-8 hours I was at the hospital, seeing the situation, there was one person who showed compassion and mercy to this man who was in prison for doing horrible things. There was one person who spoke kindly to him, who rubbed his forehead with gentleness, who actually asked if he was in pain. I've sat and cried and prayed for that man several times today. Did he repent? Does he know the gospel, good news, of hope, forgiveness, and mercy extended to him? Has his suffering and loneliness ended yet?

So often, both on forums and in real life, we hear or read so much judgement and comments about people getting what they deserve. And no doubt, that man was convicted of a crime that deserved punishment. But all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We all deserve hell not heaven. But God showed mercy in giving His Son in our place...... even for "jordy" who was an offender that sexually abused a child..... a vile sin, but God showed mercy.

On boards like these, and in real life, we hear, or may even show, such an attitude over things that we think deserve judgement-- illegal aliens, people on welfare, people who don't have insurance. I've even read and heard statements about how people without insurance shouldn't be allowed ER visits if they can't pay up front. And I saw, with my own eyes, and heard with my own ears, the attitudes of several people toward the most vile of type of member of society in need last night.

I want to honestly, sincerely have a heart that always shows mercy. You don't show mercy because the person deserves it. "Jordy" didn't deserve mercy. But you show mercy because you have the heart of God, the heart of the messiah who poured himself out so others could have life. This is just one of those "object lessons" that I will never forget. And I pray that "Jordy" is in heaven now. I pray that whatever victims were hurt by him are healed and have the balm of Gilead applied. I pray that there will be more "Nurse Beth" people in this world than all the others who were there caring for that man. And I especially pray, with all my heart, that I would be a person who showed mercy and love instead of being a person who showed judgement and venom to whoever was in front of me. I want to have God's heart, not a heart of stone just like He promises in Ex 39.26.
And Please pray for "jordy". I don't know his name or his exact circumstances. They just called him "jordy". Please pray God's mercy over him and his victims.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:15 PM
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I have been thinking about mercy all day. God's mercy to us. What mercy I show or don't show to others. And what type of a person I want to be inside, what type of a heart I want to have.

On boards like these, and in real life, we hear, or may even show, such an attitude over things that we think deserve judgement-- illegal aliens, people on welfare, people who don't have insurance. I've even read and heard statements about how people without insurance shouldn't be allowed ER visits if they can't pay up front. And I saw, with my own eyes, and heard with my own ears, the attitudes of several people toward the most vile of type of member of society in need last night.
It's to your credit that I also thought about 'mercy' and what it means last night after reading your post. I had to wonder... (using the examples you gave) I am discerning in how I hold others accountable for their intentions and actions, but does that mean I am showing a lack of mercy towards them because of the crimes they have committed?

The Bible tells us to judge rightly, to keep ourselves from evil-doers, and to not be a hypocrit in those judgements... we are to be able to know the difference between those who do good and those who don't. Keeping all of this in mind - how should I treat someone who is on the other side of the fence from me when they come near enough for me to actually touch them and to know them on a more personal basis?

I think it's a 'compassionate process' when I can overlook the circumstances they have got themselves into, but I can't show them mercy, that would indicate forgiveness (to me). Only the ones who have been wounded by them can show them a true merciful hand. I can't offer blanket forgiveness to anyone, it's not in my nature to do so - perhaps that's why the gift of mercy is from God... it's not something that I can conger up for anyone on my own.

But I understand how you feel. It was a great gift that God gave you to witness the nurse's acts of compassion towards a dying man. I'd like to believe that I would also be able to do the same in those circumstances. In fact... maybe I already have. My ex-dh was at my home under hospice care in his final days - I did show mercy towards him by not bringing up our past problems while he was laying there exposed and open to whatever I had to offer... I let it alone. I forgave him. And not just because he was leaving us either, he hadn't even asked for my forgiveness - it was just something I had to do for myself. Perhaps mercy works in both directions.
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Amen Bonny. That was beautiful.
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I think my Bible says we will be held accountable
for all those foolish words.

And for standing in judgement-- huh?
Sad--I have worked with alot of females
of all ages--in the deepth of their addiction
and if I had that kind of additude--I would
have been responsible for their physical/soul/deaths.

Its unreal how the Holy Spirit will SHUT that mouth
when he needs you to minister to someone OR OPENING
it when he's ready--blows me away.

Be amazed

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Old 07-04-2012, 01:51 AM
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That was Sat night that we were at the hospital. Today my daughter and I talked about the situation again because she was there with me. I didn't realize how much it affected her. She talked about how some of the people showed no compassion, and no matter what anyone does, the right way to treat them is with compassion and tenderness. I was so blessed to hear her speak about the situation because it let me see her heart. And I like the way her heart was moved.
In many ways, I am really glad that Jesus let us see the whole thing play out in front of us. It taught us both things about who we are, and who we really want to be, and what we value in our hearts.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:22 AM
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I am reminded of the passage---
Where Jesus (compassioned on them)
in his Heart.

How can we do less?
But folks do it all the time.

The chance to love the unloveable
was why He was sent to us.

A number of yrs ago--in a small Tx
town where the State had sent my husband
as out-reach director for mental health--I
had gone to the store for a few weekend
supplies--
There was a young lady w/a small dog outside
the store asking for food for her dog--being in
a hurry--I popped in and out and took off to the house.

Suddenly--I had such convictionns over the poor little one
that I turned round and went back--She was gone--I looked
and couldnt find her---I wanted to see if she would come home with me.

I was in tears BECAUSE---I missed a chance-I wasnt listening to the
Holy Spirit--He gave me the chance---and I was so wrapped up in
my self---

Boy-that has stuck with me all this time.
I missed an Angel---I am held accountable for that.

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Old 07-05-2012, 10:11 PM
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Thank you ladies.

Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

I have wanted to write something about our country.
About evidence that we are a Christian nation.
You have shown it here.

I believe this country may be unique in this way:
We no NOT have a criminal justice system as so many think.
If that were so then all criminals would GET Justice!

What we have instead is a system of MERCY.
That even the worst offenders among us are treated fairly, given a clean place to sleep, food to eat, and medical care.

I am sure that it is no coincidence that in just looking up the scripture posted above I found that the word "Justice" does not appear in the entire New Testament in the King James version.

It is not our job to judge, that has been done by the judge, it is not our duty to convict, the prosecutor has done that, it is not our place to administer punishment, the imprisonment is the punishment.
The guards are to guard. Not to judge, convict, or punish.

Nurse Beth has demonstrated true love.
THAT is what we are commanded to do.
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:52 AM
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Matthew 5:7

Eleeo- to feel sympathy with the misery of another, and especially manifested in act.

For someone who is receiving the "consequences" of his choices....
I do not pity.
But.
Who is leading him to Christ? Who is telling him, sharing with him, showing him Jesus Christ? Who has committed to pray for this soul, day and night?
Who is going to the prison to share The Words of Life?
What man is willing to step up and walk out of his comfort zone, to share the Words of Life to this man, who committed heinous crimes?

There are consequences to choices.
That's God's Way, not mine.
That's the Order of things.
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How I choose to treat anyone, no matter what they did, is my choice. The way we treat others has more to do with our character than with their life choices. I'm sure there are prison guards who treat their charges with decency and respect.
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Matthew 5:7

Eleeo- to feel sympathy with the misery of another, and especially manifested in act.

For someone who is receiving the "consequences" of his choices....
I do not pity.
But.
Who is leading him to Christ? Who is telling him, sharing with him, showing him Jesus Christ? Who has committed to pray for this soul, day and night?
Who is going to the prison to share The Words of Life?
What man is willing to step up and walk out of his comfort zone, to share the Words of Life to this man, who committed heinous crimes?

There are consequences to choices.
That's God's Way, not mine.
That's the Order of things.
Try witnessing to some hard core drug addict with that additude
and you will have their blood on your hands.

They can spot pious holyer than thous from along way off.

I have never condoned the behavior--but in 70 years i have seen 100's
respond to me just caring--enough to be meek and mild(not weak)
and sharing the Gentle Christ/forgiving Christ with them.

Society and the law has already beaten them up--I have no right too--and
will never ever take that additude--

Sorry
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What the prisoner was dieing of was SIN, and the wages of sin is death. There is a possibility that the man could still be a Christian but it's not my call. When he meets his maker as we all will, God can decide on his level of mercy. While he is still alive I can feel sadness for him
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Try witnessing to some hard core drug addict with that additude
and you will have their blood on your hands.

They can spot pious holyer than thous from along way off.

I have never condoned the behavior--but in 70 years i have seen 100's
respond to me just caring--enough to be meek and mild(not weak)
and sharing the Gentle Christ/forgiving Christ with them.

Society and the law has already beaten them up--I have no right too--and
will never ever take that additude--

Sorry
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You totally missed my point.
re-read please

#1. He committed a crime. Suppose his crime was against another human being.
How would the mother of that child he murdered feel if I was all "awww poor thing, no one likes him".
And her child is dead.
Where's the mercy for her? The innocent one?
That crime is not only breaking a 'law of the land' but it is a crime against the Creator, to whom we were ALL Created in His Image.

#2 He is living with his consequences to his crime.
His choice to commit the crime.
His choice to break the law of the land, and Scripture talks about the submission to authorities.
I have no 'pity' if he is uncomfortable with the consequences to his crime.
That discomfort alone, should drive him to Christ......

#3. Then comes my "BUT".
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Who is leading him to Christ? Who is telling him, sharing with him, showing him Jesus Christ? Who has committed to pray for this soul, day and night?
Who is going to the prison to share The Words of Life?
What man is willing to step up and walk out of his comfort zone, to share the Words of Life to this man, who committed heinous crimes?
THIS is where 'mercy' comes in.
Mercy for his soul.
Mercy for his lost state (if he is lost).
Compassion insomuch that no matter how 'henious' the crime, there is forgiveness in Christ.
NOT a removal of consequences, but forgiveness of sins.
Who's leading him to Christ? Who's showing him The Way?
THAT is Mercy.

People get wrapped up in feelings and forget that God is not kidding about consequences to sin.

Jesus told the woman caught in adultery "go and SIN NO MORE"
The man who was paralized, that He healed "stop sinning before something worse happens".
Jesus took a pretty hard line with the Pharisees.

There is no blood on my hands. As Paul said "my conscience is clear".

Mercy is not an emotion, a feeling. Too many folks get them confused.
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You totally missed my point.
re-read please

#1. He committed a crime. Suppose his crime was against another human being.
How would the mother of that child he murdered feel if I was all "awww poor thing, no one likes him".
And her child is dead.
Where's the mercy for her? The innocent one?
That crime is not only breaking a 'law of the land' but it is a crime against the Creator, to whom we were ALL Created in His Image.

#2 He is living with his consequences to his crime.
His choice to commit the crime.
His choice to break the law of the land, and Scripture talks about the submission to authorities.
I have no 'pity' if he is uncomfortable with the consequences to his crime.
That discomfort alone, should drive him to Christ......

#3. Then comes my "BUT".
THIS is where 'mercy' comes in.
Mercy for his soul.
Mercy for his lost state (if he is lost).
Compassion insomuch that no matter how 'henious' the crime, there is forgiveness in Christ.
NOT a removal of consequences, but forgiveness of sins.
Who's leading him to Christ? Who's showing him The Way?
THAT is Mercy.

People get wrapped up in feelings and forget that God is not kidding about consequences to sin.

Jesus told the woman caught in adultery "go and SIN NO MORE"
The man who was paralized, that He healed "stop sinning before something worse happens".
Jesus took a pretty hard line with the Pharisees.

There is no blood on my hands. As Paul said "my conscience is clear".

Mercy is not an emotion, a feeling. Too many folks get them confused.

I have never confused them--Mercy nor feelings.

I understand now what you were saying--thanks for clarifying it.

But I know--we are sin--correct?---I havent reached perfection--yet
until I get to Glory--I wont.

Paul said: I do what I would not--Romans 8 I believe

Mercy to me is a forgiving kindness--I dont have to be held accountable for others
sins--only sharing the love and forgiveness of Christ--correct?

I can afford to be kind--I have been forgiven--renewed--and how else can one se that
unless I am actting merciful in not holding up their sin to them.

But for the Grace of Almighty God There Go I

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I have never confused them--Mercy nor feelings.

I understand now what you were saying--thanks for clarifying it.

But I know--we are sin--correct?---I havent reached perfection--yet
until I get to Glory--I wont.

Paul said: I do what I would not--Romans 8 I believe

Mercy to me is a forgiving kindness--I dont have to be held accountable for others
sins--only sharing the love and forgiveness of Christ--correct?

I can afford to be kind--I have been forgiven--renewed--and how else can one se that
unless I am actting merciful in not holding up their sin to them.


But for the Grace of Almighty God There Go I

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Amen!
And when folks go in, and share the Love, Mercy, and Forgiveness of Christ with one who is (assuming he is not His) trapped by satans lies.....THAT is Mercy. That is the Agape Love Christ commands us to show.
Sharing our story....how Christ forgave us, 'could' lead another to The Master!!
All we can do is Love (Agape) and share.
The rest is up to The Holy Spirit. :-)
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We can all quote scripture, the last judgement is left to God.

The nurse showed compassion becasue that s her job.

How mny lives did this monster wreck?

I will be judged by God for this but hopefully he died a long slow painful death.
'Does this mean people like Jeffery Dahmer, Charles Manson, Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, Pol Pot all they have to do is ask for forgiveness and will be granted the kingdom of heaven? Kinda throws the idea of hell out the window doesnt it?
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We can all quote scripture, the last judgement is left to God.

The nurse showed compassion becasue that s her job.

How mny lives did this monster wreck?

I will be judged by God for this but hopefully he died a long slow painful death.
'Does this mean people like Jeffery Dahmer, Charles Manson, Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, Pol Pot all they have to do is ask for forgiveness and will be granted the kingdom of heaven? Kinda throws the idea of hell out the window doesnt it?
Hell is an option!
It's for those who think they don't need a Savior or His Forgiveness!
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Compassion is fine, but to have it for everybody, eh its your choice.
I would have no compassion for anyone that commits crimes against children.
I hope "Jordy" holds on a little longer,maybe the pain will get worse before he dies.

When Bin Laden got killed last year, my 12&8 year old both came home from school and told me. My response was "best news ive heard in a while."
They both looked puzzled and i explained to them that some people dont belong on earth.
My mother has always been very compassionate but she became more cynical as she got older.
I remember the day Richard Speck died. My mom was watching the news and she started crying and clapping.
Look up Richard Speck. Read what he did. My mom was friends of a couple of his victims and was a nursing student at that school when it happened.
So, compassion is great, i have a lot for mentally challenged, illegal immigrants who try to make a better life, and old people. But i dont waste compassion on those that dont deserve it.
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Maybe I'm the minority here, but I don't really follow any religion. I try to be good, do good things, you know, but I don't go to church and I don't pray.

I did want to comment a little about mercy and forgiveness though, because it seems to me that sometimes the forgiveness and/or mercy is not ours to give. For example, suppose I ran a company that made widgets, and perhaps these widget making positions weren't all that difficult to master. Were I to have a ex-convict apply for a job in my widget factory, I'd let them do the job regardless of what they did in the past, so long as they made up for it with whomever they wronged.

For some crimes, it may be jail time, or fines, or whatever; some crimes are maybe less severe than others. But I don't presume I could adequately step in and provide someone with mercy or forgiveness for something severe that was done against another.

Suppose one of the ex-cons brutally raped and murdered a child. That same ex-con spent fifty years in prison, then got out after serving his or her full term. I'd hire them, perhaps, if they could do the job and not cause any trouble. But would I forgive them for what they did? Not my place. I'd know what they did and what they got for doing what they did, but it isn't my responsibility or pleasure to forgive people that haven't wronged me.
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