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Old 05-22-2008, 08:55 PM
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Default How long till the SHTF?

How long will it be untill we hafto realy be self reliant?
When the situation Calls for us to DO WITHOUT.
What is going to happen anyhow?
For most everyone the stores are empty and looted, the power is out, And all the mean stupid people that ever did us wrong are killing each other out of mindless desperation. And we, are living off of our stockpiled goods, Blasting the accasional spook As it tries to raid the garden. What this means to us is freedom, no noisy neighbors, No Nazie cops harrasing and imprisoning us, No taxes, No corporations monopolizing everything. The list of things we will be without is quite long. But how long? If ever.
How long will it be untill the police start to arrest people
for 'hording' food, and sezing food? A law will be made for that too.
Will it ever happen? What will cause it?
the country that was formerly America cannot continue
the way it is going. The NAU is already happening.
Gun 'control' is on the way.
It would take a lot of things happening all at once For us to realy be able to 'do without' the way we would like. Volcanios, earthquakes, crop failure, flooding, The yupies dieing off in the millions, All the things i dream about. and all the differnt groups- Muslims mexican gangs Black gangs Satanic cult groups police ect.
Exterminating all the doctors and lawers and such, then themselves.
I think it is realy going to happen very slowly, decades from now. And it arnt going to be fun. i will probuly be shot dead for Failing to signal when driving, or by some other way the state will mandate, long before it happens.
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Old 05-24-2008, 07:30 AM
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Default Re: How long till the SHTF?

I would imagine we have around a year or so.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:46 AM
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what do you base your opinion on? and what do you think is going to happen?
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:33 PM
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I've thought for years now that if/when gas reaches $5 a gallon you'll start to see the social problems start. If they are not handled correctly (I doubt the gov will) I believe it will be the beginning of the spiral down. Now that price is just around the corner. People are starting to siphon gas again. How much longer before peak oil? We are not really ready to survive with out it but it will be forced on us. IMO as the price of gas goes up the SHTF gets closer.
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:02 PM
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Interesting topic. I see the government making every effort to move us to cities, taking away guns, and inacting marshal law. This will make it easier for them to control a large population. It will also create a revolution here in the USA as many will want to form groups to keep the freedoms we all enjoy. To really know what will take place is going to be anyones guess. Start getting your stockpile now as it's only going to get harder and cost more not mention as times get harder their may be measures put in place to monitor who is buying what. The government isn't big enough nor will they have time to knock on everyones door to take what they feel you shouldn't have but one never knows what methods they may incorperate to keep riots and such from breaking out. One more thing that we as Americans should try and do is STOP BUYING FROM CHINA!!!!! Buy American and bring our money, work force and pride back home. Be safe my brothers and sisters.
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:40 PM
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Look at what happen in the Soviet Union when the economy collapsed. The different areas broke away and formed their own countries Is that in our future? How far are we from a total collapse of our economy? I need to know when so I can move to Idaho or Montana where the sane people live.
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:57 PM
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I try not to be a dooms-day-er. Many times our world has looked rather rotten. I feel it's all for the better. Force many to get lives back into perspective.I feel that bad times were prep for a great need years later. But, they are hitting great amounts of natural gas in Northern PA. Now what if we had cars that ran on that?
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:45 AM
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I rember a haggar the horrible strip, Haggar is singing about how its a great time to be alive, no tax man knocking on ( or down) your door, a man is free to do whatever he wants, he goes dancing out the door, The other characters are not happy at all, helga says, "only haggar could enjoy the dark ages".
Our economy is slowly falling over, The country formerly known as america is a big place, It will take a while, The eliet will seize resorces from the people, the cops will have the gas, Thay need it of course, and we will pay for them to have it. the resorces will go to the gov so thay can continue to live in their twisted fantisy worlds. Look at the attitude of the people that think thay are god almighty now, And the welfar wards, *And think what thay will be like when the power is off, no shower, food, gas for cars, no cola ,cigerets , And no matter how many times thay push the button the TV just will not come on for them. and then thay see you happy, with your life and world still intact, and all thay have is * anger that you wont give give give.
People will start leaving the cities, and the wild game will disapear. people will group together, good and bad.
God help the people who find themselves amoung a group of lowlifes crazed with hunger and hate. I feel it now, Im the outcast at work, The goodie goodie
that buys bags of rice ad beans insted of booze and porn. In a riot thay would kill me in a heart beat.
I have informed them that i own NO firearms of course.
the problem with no gas will cause problems. But look who is countroling the fuel, *the people will play right into their hands, *The gov. will offer a system to put their so called lives back to normal, Tv tobbaco and booze to keep them medicated, And the people will want it, and since thay didnt have or want freedom anyhow, Why sure thay will give it up for things to be the way they wore before. *
The only way this will be stoped is for a earthquake or volcaino to mess the earth up so good that ther will be no gov left, no buracatic lowlifes to rebuild a police state. *NO FemiNazies, who have destroyed womanhood, motherhood, childhood, manhood, the family, *And the 'men' that let them do it. no lawers that sneer while destroying a human life.
no doctors that inject an infant with poison.
And the people that support them, "please run my life and tell me what to do, we need you gov. we cannot live without you.

To hell with them all.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:58 AM
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Did that happen in the 30's?

How will they get to here with out a car? NYC is a 3 hour drive, but most of them don't have cars.

Guess if they don't have the wellfair check, they will get a job or Die, and decrese the surpluss population.

When a rich man needs to eat...he'll be nice to the man with the crops.

my people have been in this very house since 1900, so anyone wants to come and mess with my 300 arces...come test me.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:03 AM
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you talk of cops needing gas, they told our local cops to get out of the car and walk...
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:17 AM
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you talk of cops needing gas, they told our local cops to get out of the car and walk...
Love it. who told them that?
In the 30's a lot of people walked around the country, begging, stealing, people that had cars stold gas, some stold cars. Their wont be any jobs to have, They only know paper to trade for food at the store, Not real work, growing food. people are differnt today, the welfar attitude did not exist in the 30's, The vicious contempt people have now will make things a lot different. Canibalism? why not. A studie showed that the average person is 30 days away from eating their Husband, wife, child, parent whoever.
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:09 PM
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Their bosses told them to walk a few hours a day to get in touch with the people of the town, and to conserve.

I don't trust surveys. If they won’t work, let them starve

I feel that the 30's were God's way of prepping a generation for the sacrifice needed to make the world better again.
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:17 PM
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I've thought for years now that if/when gas reaches $5 a gallon you'll start to see the social problems start.
$5 a gallon I don't think is all that high. We're already paying that in Canada (our gas has always been more expensive, I wish I knew why) and in fact most of the world pays much more for gasoline than people do in the States. At $5 a gallon I don't think gas prices are going to cause social problems. What I see in Canada is that it is causing people to think more about getting more gas efficient vehicles and using public transit. Carpooling, etc. We have been paying $5.60 a gallon ($1.40 per litre) in my city and I have never heard of anyone siphoning gas!

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One more thing that we as Americans should try and do is STOP BUYING FROM CHINA!!!!! Buy American and bring our money, work force and pride back home. Be safe my brothers and sisters.
This is very true, for EVERY country. Slowly but surely China has moved into the position of the manufacturing powerhouse for the entire world. No matter what country you go to, you will find goods made in China. I live in an area of Canada (southern Ontario) that used to be the manufacturing heartland of our country, and I have seen plant after plant shut down as production moves to China. It's disgusting. So many people are unemployed here and on welfare because there are no more jobs, they are all in China. All our pride is gone and replaced with a feeling of powerlessness.

The latest thing--close to us is the Heinz plant that produces the Heinz ketchup for all North America. Guess what? We know someone who works there and it looks like they're going to move the plant to China. The city that existed to work that huge plant will become a ghost town.

The few plants that do exist here (auto industry and related parts) produce crap because they make things with parts that came from China!

I think it's really scary that not only all of our consumer goods but now a large portion of our FOOD is coming from China...

Sorry if I am hijacking the thread, it's just something I feel very strongly about. I can't believe that every developed country has managed to destroy their own self-sufficiency in manufacturing so completely and swiftly.
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:28 PM
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Hinez, as in Hinez-Karri? as in John, the dolt who ran for office? Yep, great American move.

Many things should change. demand=supply.

put those folks to work in the mid west. Get the rail lines move'n again.. natural gas powered cars, and rather than a long trip to Wall-Mart, walk to the local General store to buy goods from local providers.
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Old 05-25-2008, 12:56 PM
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I'd like to support local markets but they are rare in my neck of the prairie, and the General Stores in these remote towns have marked everything up to the point that a one hour commute for shopping in bulk is far more practical.

At current fuel prices we are already seeing theft from private autos! If a person will steal gas they will steal other things as well. I think that fuel theft should be treated the same as the old wests horse thieves, shoot on sight! Living an hour from the hospital it'd be awful to discover your tank was siphoned when you needed it the most.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:19 PM
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That's what happened here for a time. Local kids were known for steal'n gas from farm trucks ect... One night a farmer parked his truck beside the road..easy bait. He lay on the bench seat with a 30-30 and round 2 am, when the gas cap came off...he flipped the driver door open with a flip of his foot, worked the action and said...”may I help you?”

After the boy wet his pants........ The trouble stopped word spread and few would try it.

Our local store was on the way to both local churches. Back in the day, the butcher, baker and so on worked out of that store. People would walk to church (after milking) and on the way by the church, place the Sunday dinner order and leave a grocery list. When church was out, you’d go get your roast, chicken, whatever, groceries, and the Sunday paper. They had a hard ware store, and bulk foods to. Oh and Gas pumps... I guess some old guys would take the lawn mower to church and fill up on the way. Became kind of an inside joke.
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Old 05-25-2008, 10:14 PM
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Love it. who told them that?
In the 30's a lot of people walked around the country, begging, stealing, people that had cars stold gas, some stold cars. Their wont be any jobs to have, They only know paper to trade for food at the store, Not real work, growing food. people are differnt today, the welfar attitude did not exist in the 30's, The vicious contempt people have now will make things a lot different. Canibalism? why not. A studie showed that the average person is 30 days away from eating their Husband, wife, child, parent whoever.


Where did you hear THAT horsedung? Sorry, but that's beyond doomsday'ism. Don't be silly.
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Old 05-25-2008, 10:46 PM
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no don't disscurage them....let the libs eat each other and reduce the surpluss population.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:23 PM
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the hinez plant being moved over to china shows what is going to happen, this country is loosing its ability to manufactur things, so many of the people here need industrial manufactered pre-prepired food, If someone else gets control of the food supplie, thay can starve them.
Sure, if socitey fell apart, some of us could go to idaho and
fire up the bullet plant, We could grow food and bulid vehicles and make fuel. But think of the LOGISTICS of trying to produce food and prosess it and transport it, for All the people, when the base for it is overseas.
has anyone read about When Jerusalem fell? The people wore eating human afterbirth, And then each other.
The christins got out before the SHTF.
The one thing no one thinks about is that when america falls down, WE WILL BE INVADED, Mabey china, the muslims are already here.
The reason america had sucsess in wwII was because of its ability to produce everything. Now how much of our own things do we make, Our ball bearing manufacture is overseas, We cant make things to go to war with.how long will a fortified town last against a profeshional army? U.S. or other.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:45 PM
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I don't see things getting better. Our politicians make false promisies and continue to sell out our country. I can just see it now. Hey China, we want to buy ammo to kick your a$$. Do you think they would go for it. I know what it would take just like every other hard working American to turn things around but we are not going to get it from government. China is the next world power and we owe government for selling out. I have prepared to fight the fight and survive the hardships but I am just a grain of sand surrounded by many without a clue.
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