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Old 06-21-2008, 09:45 PM
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Do you want walls to keep them out? Or in?
If 'thay' think that I am trying to keep them out then thay wont stop trying to get in. I dont think there will be any situation to pop up and stop the way things are, I feel like a refuge, I cant run, i cant hide, and the state sponsored terrorist are increasing, and becoming more buligernt every day. If i build a wall, the idiots down the road will call the idiots at the police station, "That one guy built a wall and we think he wants to keep us out" What i wanted to point out was that i dont believe there will ever be a time when we will be able to shoot back. No over night colapse, only a long drawn out one, while the 'eliet' gain more control.
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Old 06-22-2008, 05:17 AM
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Point taken. Depends where you are. In Mexico, its quite normal to see 10ft ( and more) walls everywhere, so that wouldn't draw attention. Its just a case of keeping out the 'opportunist' - the 'determined' you will have whatever you do.
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:36 AM
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I have found something great for building walls, OLD TIRES.
After reading an article in bwhm *about using tires to grow taters, I began picking up tires from the tire stores on my way home every day, Aside from finding some of these still having enough life left to use, i Had stacked them and after a few months had a wall over 100 ft long and 7 ft high.

These can also be used to make a building, stack them into walls and lay beems and plywood for the roof.
I think its great.

The SHTF wont happen, The globalist wont let it, *I think all the 2nd american revolution stuff is also being used to control us, *To use us for their own purpose. *War is used to make people so miserable thay they will accept what they are given, *The russians accepted communisim to get some order after suffering everything possible during their civile war, One group was the reds and the other was blues, or something. *And all they did was exterminate eachother for the world bankers. But they wore made to believe thay wore in control. *And they wore, In control of millions of peoples lives, and what happened to those people?

The american government is pushing the people, Soon the people will hafto push back, Its a national version of the cop pushing someone to to the point of loosing it and fighting back, so they can shoot them in 'Self defence'.

When did the SHTF for Socialized germany? *When other nations destroyed their culture and nation. Now how is germany rembered? The same way the mainstreem idiots rember waco, " A child molester who stockpiled Machine guns and Murdered the nobel law enforcment officers who tried to stop him and his CULT of craized anti government killers".

The people who rely on the government for everything, OR even for somethings, will be the ones turning on them first, And what kind of rulers will they be when thay are in control?
Will they leave you alone, or will you be the enemy of the New Receded state? *Will you be allowed to keep your propery, or forced to share it with freedom fighters who feel like god because they have overthrown the government?
The people like the hippies who protested the establishment now have taken over the establishment,
They didnt hate the Man, they wanted to be the Man.

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Old 12-03-2008, 02:11 PM
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I have found something great for building walls, OLD TIRES.
After reading an article in bwhm *about using tires to grow taters,

These can also be used to make a building, stack them into walls and lay beems and plywood for the roof.
I think its great.

The SHTF wont happen, The globalist wont let it, *I think all the 2nd american revolution stuff is also being used to control us, *To use us for their own purpose.
I agree with the tires, been use'n them in trench silos for years...and again, we called it poverty...no big fancy ideas but someday they will wright a book on it, and have an inspecter and a class on building silos from tires and corupt it. *Much as your talking about with this SHTF stuff.

I however would dissagree with the scale of what your saying...if I undersand you right.

In markeeting you have 4 modivators that move people to buy your product or act as wish them to. *Fear,Duty, Sex and Greed. *

Now fear and Duty are the 2 I see in this case. * No I do not think that the people who created BWH are using this... HOWEVER some people are. * Think of all the bomb shelters that became garden sheds back in the cold war. *who made all the jack on those? *never got to test the warrenty did we? If you use the duty appeal, you can say something like,

"Hard times are come'n. Don't you want to provide for your family when the SHTF?" * well you'll have tons of people who would not care, but most people on this sight would say, Yes I want to be a good provider. *SO

Then I tell you about this gun or this cabin I have for sale or some book I wrote. *We don't see this sort of thing becouse it's every place! *No one has ever done anything with out the influce of this. * WE'd all love to think we are stead fast and independent thinkers but those people are the Easyest to sell to. *The key is to sell it like your NOT a salesmen.
I think that it's just the next dotcom, bubble on a small scale...moved by many people on a band wagon, sluffing products and public speaking events for a living, not sinister men, in dark smoky rooms plotting the demise of the world.

In some ways it's great you can move people to conserve or act in a good way, *but the force can be used for the dark side as well. *So long as we fear that the SHTF, we will be subject to buying into the products we will "need" when it never does.
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:01 PM
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8 months, 1 week and 6 days. 8)

Honestly, though, I believe it will come with another 9/11.
I believe someone will attack us in a big way, and the federal government will take advantage of all the resources George Bush is leaving behind for them (The USA Patriot Act, undermining of habeas corpus, etc.) and clamp down. The magnitude of the task will be too great for the government to handle it all, though.

I'd say within the next 2 years.

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Old 12-03-2008, 05:59 PM
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There are many instances of shtf some are small. Local tornado, ice storm, flooding etc. Then there is large shtf. Hurricanes winter storms eartquakes etc.
The chances of a large scale breakdown in this country is extremely remote. I am not saying it can't or won't happen just not too likely.
I know that a lot of you are shaking your head and questiong my ideals but after 22 years of working disaters from a local single family housefire to the large scale disasters like earthquakes (lived in California for 37 years) to tornados (currently living in tornado alley Oklahoma)and flooding. In tough times people will pull together and help one another. Yes I know that there are some incidents of crime during a disater but they are
overblown and rare. Ther are a handfull of Katrina evacuees living in my town who were in the middle of everything. They say that there was some skirmishes between people nut the large scale rape robbery and murders sjust didn't happen.
People keep talking about society as we know it breaking down are just trying to make tyhemselves feel better as they are prepared and will be here when the haves become have nots. I have been providing disasster prepaaredness seminars as well as assisting people from the local homeowner to the city and county goverments on how to prepare. Believe me the rich and powerful are just as prepared if not more so than us, after all the have more money to spend on preparation than we do. People who do and do not preapare cross all social, economic, religous boundries.
Although a large scale society breakdown is possible on yesterdays news an Associated press article in my local paper an article on CNN.com and the ABC evening news talked about a report that the possiblity of a nuclear attack or a biochemical attack is growing more likely between now and 2013. In todays news they are talking about the increase of cholera in Zimbabwe.
I am more concerned about preparing for what is happening than what may or may not happen
Stop and think about what is necessary for large scale collapse and what is necessary for a handfull of terrorists getting thier hands on some biochemical agents and cultureing it into mass quantities for release in the U.S.A. and/or foreign countires. How hard would it be for them to obtain cholera from Zimbabwe and grow it for massive release?
Politicians have screwed over the people from the beginning yet we continue to elect and re-elect them.
As far as China they are not that big of a threat. As far as our food coming from China yes some does but remeber that 25% of the food condsumed in the U.S.A. and 10% of the food consumed worlwide comes from California. All but about 3 different crops grown in other states is also grown in California. It is just that laarger quantities of some crops are grown in other states.
No I am not happy with the way government acts. I know that politicians all lie to get into office but today that is the American way like it ofr not.
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Old 12-12-2008, 09:23 AM
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Today if not sooner is My best guess
I have never expressed my pessimistic feelings to My children or those I love on this issue but will now
I have thought the markets would crash before newyears and feel even stronger on this now
S&P 500 *-41.60 *832.90 *12/12 6:13am *S&P 500 FUTURES
Fair Value 871.84 12/11 10:55pm
Difference* -38.94
NASDAQ -46.00 1144.00 12/12 6:00am NASDAQ FUTURES
Fair Value 1185.69 12/11 10:55pm
Difference* -41.69
Dow Jones -320.00 8250.00 12/12 6:08am
DJIA Contracts

above are the pre market futures worst I can remember
below are today's *business headlines
Dollar falls to record low against yen
5:41am: The U.S. Senate's rejection of a bailout for the auto industry sends the dollar tumbling to a 13-year low against the yen. more
Auto bailout collapses in Senate
6:12am: Negotiations to bring measure up for vote fall short, possibly dooming GM, Chrysler to bankruptcy. more
Bank of America to shed up to 35,000 jobs
Dec 11: Job cuts, over 3 years, will hit all units as bank reviews operations in light of the weakening economy and merger with Merrill Lynch *more
KB Toys files for Chapter 11
Dec 11: Toy retailer files for bankruptcy for the second time in four years as sales remain weak ahead of the holiday. *more
Ex-Nasdaq chair arrested for securities fraud
6:22am: Bernard Madoff was arrested Thursday and charged with operating a multibillion-dollar Ponzi scheme from his investment advisory business. more
* * *
More News
Bank bailout funds could be used for Detroit
Help for seniors slammed by stocks
Stocks slump on auto bailout worries
Americans' debt shrinks - 1st time ever
Pope: Lust for quick profit caused crisis
Holiday air travel slowdown seen
White House: We can't afford auto collapse
FDA advisers: Restrict 2 asthma drugs
'Wanted: Bank failure specialist.' Pays $156K
PNC to sell 61 National City branches
Get ready for the final rate cut
Trade gap rises as exports plummet
Gas prices may be near bottom
U.S. sellers to world: Please buy our leftovers
these are reports due out today and soon they look sad

Dec 12
Producer Price Index (Nov , 2008)
Dec 12
Retail Sales (Nov , 2008)
Dec 12
Business Inventories (Oct , 2008)
Dec 12
Consumer Sentiment (Dec , 2008)
Dec 15
FOMC Meeting Begins (Dec , 2008)
Dec 15
Empire State Mfg Survey (Dec , 2008)
Dec 15
Treasury International Capital (Oct , 2008)
Dec 15
Industrial Production (Nov , 2008)
Dec 15
Housing Market Index (Dec , 2008)
Dec 16
ICSC-Goldman Stor
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Old 12-12-2008, 10:04 AM
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this is a link to a fun ???click able map of the markets it is set to look at the last year,if it was you're tachometer you would take the first exit,the irregular heart beat of the last couple of months is whats market volatility
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...;CP=0&PT=7
Am I prepared ?Nope a divorce from xbpd/npdw of 24 years ended efforts there.My sons are in a devastated Ohio no work there.
My cabin is in Ky the shell complete commode in,shower in water heater in and drop electric in,winterized nope.
my butt ,girlfriend and her family in SC
so I am spread way out to thin
I work for
hint hint making a third of what I was and am grateful for it as I just finished the longest job search of My life.
Am I panicking nope wouldn't do any good,instead ill play the cards dealt as best I can
I went to bed last night with a plan of what to purchase today as Christmas is coming
change plans
no matter what the markets or any other does today
My trip wire has tripped
we all have a certain point where we say time to batten the hatches down.
Today is mine.
working with what resources I have
1 more 22 rounds they are cheap and I have shot the same gun over 45 years Great little game getter.
I want some extra rounds around in case they are hard to get.
2 The pantry Ive been adding to will get a inventory and added to
3 Fill up the old gas tank oil is going back up quick
4 Put in writing to those I love explaining why i see it as a time to prepare and be cool,still enjoy each other and each day.I have delayed doing this as i wanted my credibility high with them when the time came,they know I do My homework
5 while many here are well prepared express to those like myself even a couple of weeks supply of things needed is a good thing giving one a advantage,I am going for 3 months.
while working at smiley face i can assure you there isnt a day or twos inventory on the grounds .
shop by the ounce 5 to 10 cents is my limit and doable
Ps I would love to be wrong
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Old 12-12-2008, 05:32 PM
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I don't see things getting better. Our politicians make false promisies and continue to sell out our country. I can just see it now. Hey China, we want to buy ammo to kick your a$$. Do you think they would go for it. I know what it would take just like every other hard working American to turn things around but we are not going to get it from government. China is the next world power and we owe government for selling out. I have prepared to fight the fight and survive the hardships but I am just a grain of sand surrounded by many without a clue.
Airborne Mac. That's the way I feel too. but I am waking up a few alittle bit. Not a real great deal, but a little bit.
If I only had another 10 years but I am not sure we have another 10 months.
I am praying we have another two years but I don't thing we have that long.
If I can make it two more years I will be in fair shape as well as a lot of friends and family.
I wave been wanting some pigs and goats bad and of course I need an electric fence for that and then I realized what if the electric shuts down.
I have 6 or 8 animals in a fence made of small wire and without the juice they would just walk right through it.
I also want to fence in the garden because of the deer and ground hogs. Without the juice they will be like they were last year and eat more than me.
I even had a fox the night before last or the one before that attacked my cat on the front porch. The cat was luckey enough that I was setting right by the door and it stayed away from the fox til I got to the door and the fox ran as soon as I opened it.
They have already ate all my hens. All but 3 anyway. I gave them to a lady across the street that has a good strong gage for them.

But what is going to bring it on is our on government. They have sold us out by allowing companied to move to other countries and they are the ones that started it to start with.
Nothing but treason. Pure and simple.
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:22 AM
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I want the bottom to fall out NOW as it wont start to get better until then.
Today I read the bottom to me around May of 2009
Treason yes ,betrayal
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:49 AM
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I still hope an earth quake or volcano jumps out and says 'Gotcha'.
It is the only thing that will keep the powers that be too busy to be breathing down our pants while we live.

The germans in the 1930's and 40's built some of the best technoligy in the world, some of it still used today, But they ran out of fuel, And everything stoped.
Gas is $1.25 here, and everyone is happy, It has been pointed out that america is about to have a fuel shortage, production problems, By hale turner amoung others. And i wonder if we are about to be invaded by china as we wont be able to run or fight. Sound unrealistic?

Others here have pointed out that no fuel will bring us to our knees, Or to some one elses knees.
And it seems now that it will be fuel that really does us in.
In to whatever the socialist want.
people are losing jobs, Because more people arnt buying junk they dont need.
So the riots will be here soon.
Do we have a year? a year untill what?

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Old 12-14-2008, 12:07 PM
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I don't think it will happen unless the unemployment level reached very high levels, real wage growth stayed near 0% and we some how experienced a major surge in inflation (read huge price spikes again in commodity goods).

I think it will be tough to have a 3 scenarios working at once. The surge in inflation is coming, buy TIPS
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:43 PM
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The bailout keeps getting bigger and Bernard Madoff scandal 50 billion?
the company's that held so much prestige dropping
So much coming in from china and so much work going off shore.
Its not one thing that usually sinks a ship but a series of things going wrong
the big three bailout wont work for years there competitors have a huge head start and dont have the uaw
states,city's and countys in the red
where will the money come from?
I would like to see some accountability
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:50 AM
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Accountability??? What in the world is that for the rich? You heard of the million man march. It would take a 100 million man march on DC with a bad attitude and armed to get that.
I would like to see it too, but I'll never see it in my life time.
But if you stop and think about it, it was really ourselves that did it back when we were younger.
Instead of paying for something that lasted for a lifetime we paid 30-40% for something from Japan and now from China that is dispossible.
Our government should have put huge taxes on those goods waay back then but instead we get NAFTA.
Talking about the Germans, my uncle used to get mad as hell when I wanted to watch Hogans Heros on TV.
He said they were the smartest people on earth and he said that because he fought in WW II against them.
Our government thought they could be the world owner and it has back fired on them. Look who we have for the next president.
I just hope I can buy a small diesel tractor, even if I have to make the attachments myself, 4 pigs, 4 goats, a few rabbits, and one more order of chicks before it all drops out. OH yea, and CHINA built screw press to press sunflower seeds for oil to run the tractor on. OK., I also need the fuel to run the tractor for a year to grow enough sunflowers. :-[
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:23 AM
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Ya'll should look for a book that is coming out titled "target patton" By 'robert wilcox' It tells the true story of how the world bankers wore messing with patton to drag the war out, About how patton had accepted the surrender of several ss tank brigades and had them hidden away with other german troops and was collecting arms for them To lead them against the soviets.

The SHTF for germany when the leage of nations gave their country and people over to the soviets, It hit the fan for american soilders who wore taken prisoner by the soviets abandoned by the US military industry and sent to the gulags where they suffered and died.

What is instore for us next?
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:29 PM
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they are well aware what ended the depression was war?
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No predictions from here. Just food for thought. The question was, "how long ?". It has been approximately 8 months since the question was asked, and it was deemed to be of great concern back then. What has happened in those 8 months that is of any value at all in correcting our delima? How many great and wondrous solutions have been deployed since then by the mentally superior and elite problem solvers of our time ? And how is it working so far ?

My suggestion is to stop and think, look around you at the progress, or, in this case, the lack of same, that has been made in those 8 months, and the proposed solutions that are yet to be deployed, and what are they? The common sense folk, (us) see the causes for our problems as being caused from our flagrant violations and the ignoring of our constitution. Are the proposed solutions on the board now to return to, and salvage it? Or to continue to abuse it and trudge onward in the opposite direction, in the pursuit of some other form of government that has failed miserably in other nations in the past ? With the belief that "we" in our infinite wisdom can do a better job of rebuilding it into a better nation? *

IMHO, the answer to the question is very plain, and right before our very eyes, and can be fortold by simply looking at our great and wonderous progress in those 8 months. Who, and what is at the helm. Multiply that on out a year or two and it becomes quite clear, as a falling stone does not slow down as it falls, but rather increases in velocity. We have been on a very long nap, and have woke up in a strange and foreign land, with strange and foreign people in control of our fate. They are not descendants of our forefathers, and posses not their ideals and values, and instead choose to ignore and change them.

If we do not learn from history, we are destined to repeat it. Of two mules pulling a wagon that becomes stuck fast in the mud, I ask you, which mule is it that gets the whip, the one pulling the hardest, or the one that is always the slacker ? Can anyone feel the whip cutting into your flesh now ? Do we feel the blood trickling down yet ? And if not, when will we ? * * * * *

I am fully aware of preaching to the choir, and that the folk on this forum are doing their best to prepare for the worst. I just hope that no one listens to those who call you "chicken little", whether they be family or not, for it is they who will be left without. They have taken the bait, and been lulled into a great sense of false security, and will quickly give up whatever is left of their freedoms for more of the same, dragging you down with them.

Keep alert and aware of your surroundings my brothers and sisters, final exams are coming.... Soon.
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Ok, the unemployment is about to get really high. grocery stores are closing down, other chain retailers are closing down by the thousands, a husband and wife killed their children and then themselves after loosing their jobs.
water rationing is being discused in some major citys.
the dollar is equal to news paper clipings.
other nations are in really bad shape, (thats when they invade their better off neighbor nations)

the obama is pushing gun removal policies and his public police force.

maby its not as far off as i thought.
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well um what so um well should i can ummm uh well its only,caint be just caint,ummm welll how can they do that.....so what if ummm no caint be like that,,ill just go ta tha store,um its closed,emty,no caint be so,ill call somebody...what phone dont work,no caint be so,no tv.well what are we to do....wake up folks.......huck ;D
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I figure we might have a year before TSHTF but the toilet is going to be overflowing a lot up to then. Ain't going to be pleasant.
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