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Old 01-30-2011, 05:50 PM
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While I agree it is theft I think people worry way too much about it.
If it's open wifi and you use it I doubt the net police will be kicking in your door.
As for them doing something illegal it's not very likely you will suffer the consequences for their actions.
If you don't want someone using your bandwidth then secure it like I do.
Most new wireless routers are secured by default so it may become a moot discussion.

Another interesting point of view.
If the neighbors apples fall on your side of the fence do you think it's OK to eat them?
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We share the common pecan tree here so I imagine apples would be shared as well. We water each other's plants and look out for each other much as you would if you were family.

All this talk about orange jump suits, lawsuits, jail, online safety and other horrible things motivated me to go to the library parking lot to get a signal so I could pay my phone bill online. Only 2 other people were there, the library is closed on Sundays, so they were online, or trying to be. I spent 30 minutes trying and never did get a solid signal although I was as close to the building as I could get. I moved the car twice and still couldn't get and hold a decent signal. I left the netbook open on the passenger seat and cruised the streets trying to find my free signal provider. I found 15 networks, all secured but with cutesy names like "public", "now we're cooking" and one that was someone's name. That would have been helpful if they had been my free provider. I came home, logged on and had my phone bill paid in minutes.

We must be the red headed step-child here because when I lived outside the city I called Time Warner to get high speed and was told that they laid the cable for 2 houses down the road and then stopped. They did not give a reason for not laying cable the rest of the way. We have so few options here. If I could find the person with the unsecured network, I would go talk to them. But as I said, I used www.netstumbler.com and didn'tcome up with anything that I could use to identify them.
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If I could find the person with the unsecured network, I would go talk to them. But as I said, I used www.netstumbler.com and didn'tcome up with anything that I could use to identify them.
I don't think you tried hard enough.
If you have a laptop it's super easy to hone in on the signal using netstumbler and its signal strength resources by moving around your neighborhood.
I can move around just here in the house and get a general idea where each signal is coming from.
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Someone else is paying for it so you you feel enttitled to use it.
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I don't think you tried hard enough.
If you have a laptop it's super easy to hone in on the signal using netstumbler and its signal strength resources by moving around your neighborhood.
I can move around just here in the house and get a general idea where each signal is coming from.
If I move from this precise spot then I lose the signal. When I was outside and parked out front I couldn't connect at all. I think the signal is coming from farther away than I thought. I don't know. I can only go so far and then I hit dead end streets.
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Someone else is paying for it so you you feel enttitled to use it.
Not entitled, no. If there was some way to contact them I would do so and see what they wanted to do. Either secure their network or give me permission. The fact that they have not done so up to this point makes me think that they don't consider it a priority.

I know people who have internet access and they rarely go online. They have it so that they can silence the people who are always bugging them. Same thing with cell phones. I know a lady who was given an I-Phone by her kids and she hates it. As soon as she can figure out a way to get rid of it she'll go back to her old phone.
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Bythe way, please remember that there may be newcomers to this forum who read your strident comments and form an impression of you that may not be favorable.
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Perhaps unfavorable, but accurate?
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Bythe way, please remember that there may be newcomers to this forum who read your strident comments and form an impression of you that may not be favorable.
I personally view this forum as a group of strong, fiercely independent people who I doubt are put off by straight talk. We get enough of "civility and politically correctness" on the national news. I, for one, welcome the honest, refreshing opinions as much as the advice. My dad was the last person that I worried about making a favorable impression on and he died in 1988.
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I'm in Texas. There are free internet "hotspots" here that anyone can access, but it's entirely different when a household has internet that gets hacked. Have you even talked with the people about their service you are using?

I wouldn't do that.
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I'm in Texas. There are free internet "hotspots" here that anyone can access, but it's entirely different when a household has internet that gets hacked. Have you even talked with the people about their service you are using?
I wouldn't do that.
You will find it helpful to read the previous posts.
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I'm going to try and find out whose signal I'm getting and see what they want to do. I'm curious to see who it might be. Hope it's a handsome single guy! Wouldn't that be fun!
That would be ideal. We share with our neighbours. High speed (relatively anyway) internet out here is delivered by RTF and we're behind some trees that block any chance of us receiving a signal from the tower. The neighbours across the road could get it though so we got together and split the costs. The son is in IT so he set up an antennae to boost the signal to us so it's much more reliable then if we tried to piggyback by stealth. Not that we could with an IT guy of course. Anyhow, we get internet and he gets his service for half the cost.
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I don't know enough about this technology to comment on it, but i think I know right from wrong. If I by chance used another's signal I would stop. I think if you worked out a sharing deal, then that would be fine. To actively search for a free signal is something I couldn't do. I'm trying to think of one of my grandfather's country witicisms, but it is too early.
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Great story on the news yesterday. Someone in a condo (4th floor or higher?) with unguarded wireless was being piggy-backed by a fellow on a boat in the harbor nearby, a few blocks away. The owner didn't know anything was up until the FBI kicked in his door. The moocher was using the wireless connection to exchange kiddie porn and run a porn business.

What's really amazing is that the victim was supposed to be an ex CIA operative. I understand the technology can be baffling to old-timers. My dad claimed his word processor was a No. 2 pencil. But you'd think an ex-CIA type would be a little more paranoid and savvy about encryption.

The moocher enhanced his range with a pringles can antenna - not the first time I have heard of that.

So, government propaganda? They want the doors closed to undesirables/untraceables? Or a cautionary tale?

Three things you can do to enhance wireless security:
1) Use the strongest encryption available with your router/wireless hub
2) Use a strong password - mixed upper and lower case, punctuation and numerals - in a string at least 10 characters long
3) Turn off SSID broadcast
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Sorry to dig up an old thread but I wanted to relay something that happened here:

While away for a weekend, the parents of one of the scouts in our boy scout troop came home to find that the sheriff dept. had been at thier residence with a search warrant, and had siezed all thier electronic devices- computers, cameras, etc. and left a reciept and a number to call. As it turned out they had left their wireless connection unsecured and somebody was using it to download child porn. Because it was their connection, the child porn was traced to their IP address. It took them a while to get it straightened out and their electronics back. I don't think the pervert was ever caught. I guess the moral of the story is... secure your wireless systems.
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I am in the IT security business so this topic is well within my area of expertise. If you are piggybacking on someone elses Wireless you are guilty under the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Your state may also have a law as well. On the other hand the likelihood of being prosecuted under that law is pretty close to nil. The recent posts about people having their doors kicked in and all of their equipment seized is a very good warning. Due to the total inability of law enforcement to handle IT crimes they have latched onto the kiddie pron bandwagon so they can be seen to be dealing with computer crime. Lock down your wireless and scrub your computer regularly. They are so clueless when it comes to computers that after you eventually get your stuff back it will have been years so they might as well just keep it. Also store your important stuff on an online cloud service providers drive so that if your stuff gets stolen by the cops you can at least get back the stuff you need while they are wasting the tax payers dollars.
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I look at it this way.
If the heibour has a apple tree and its branches hang over into my yard, does that make the apples mine? No not really, but when they fall on the ground, I will be cleaning them up and makeing apple sauce. May even share with the tree owner. Would I get upset if he trimed back the limbs or even took the tree down? Yea probably, but not seriously.

Save your self the headache and buy your own tree but plant it far enough away from the fence so no one gets upset about the apples in there yard. Cause you know they are the same ones who will grump about not getting any apple cobbler
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If I had taken no steps to protect my wireless connection, it wouldn't dawn on me to get upset for someone who might connect to it. On the other hand, if someone were to do so despite the fact that I had protected it, that would be another matter. It is too easy to accidentally connect to an open Internet connection, and not even know that you're not connected to your own wireless.

This reminds me of something else, though. When I worked as a paramedic, I would often work 24- or 48-hour shifts, or even longer. In the midst of a long shift, we drove by my house in the ambulance between calls so that I could pick something up, and I found a water hose leading from my outside water connection across the fence to my neighbor's yard. He apologized for it when came home after my shift, but I doubt he'd have mentioned it had he not seen the ambulance in front of the house while he was in the middle of stealing my water. I thought it was kind of funny. He probably hadn't paid his bill and had his water shut off.
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... and I found a water hose leading from my outside water connection across the fence to my neighbor's yard. He apologized for it when came home after my shift, but I doubt he'd have mentioned it had he not seen the ambulance in front of the house while he was in the middle of stealing my water...
I do not believe I would have been as kind as you. It would be interesting to know what else he has stolen from you. A thief is just that and will never change their ways. Each theft is easier then the last and eases the burden on the conscious.
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...we drove by my house in the ambulance between calls so that I could pick something up, and I found a water hose leading from my outside water connection across the fence to my neighbor's yard. He apologized for it when came home after my shift, but I doubt he'd have mentioned it had he not seen the ambulance in front of the house while he was in the middle of stealing my water. I thought it was kind of funny. He probably hadn't paid his bill and had his water shut off.
You didn't secure you water spigot?

Well then you must be OK with someone using your water. That seems to be the logic used by those who utilize others' access points.

I know SKB has made an effort to locate owner and seek permission, and that's certainly laudable.

But other than the trespassing to attach the hose to your house, taking your water and using your bandwidth without permission are the same thing.

This is the reason we have to have locks on our posessions - because some people view anything that isn't nailed down, fenced in, locked or otherwise secured (and too often that's not even enough) as an invitation for public use.
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