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07-16-2011, 10:22 PM
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Just remember: Watts is watts. Cranking a generator requires you to exert enough energy to a) produce the electrical watts plus overcome the mechanical resistance. In other words, you're converting bacon & eggs into electricity, which requires lots of bacon and eggs!
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07-17-2011, 12:13 AM
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For that kind of money a high output junkyard 12V alternator (ca. 120 amp) hooked up to an old stationary bicycle frame w/pedals , Complete the system with several deep cycle batteries and power inverter.
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07-17-2011, 01:53 AM
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These devices would work okay for powering a radio and some LED lights in a camping situation, I think. For serious power, it would take a LOT of human effort to produce very much. I read somewhere that a world class cyclist can put out about 1/4 HP for a short time. One HP = 746 watts for an hour. So, 1/4 HP for an hour = 186 watt/hours.
That is enough to run my 60 watt flat screen TV, my 30 watt notebook computer, and a few CFL lights for an hour. I would think you'd be pretty pooped after doing that power generation, too. I vote for a solar panel and a battery.
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07-17-2011, 11:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patience
These devices would work okay for powering a radio and some LED lights in a camping situation, I think. For serious power, it would take a LOT of human effort to produce very much. I read somewhere that a world class cyclist can put out about 1/4 HP for a short time. One HP = 746 watts for an hour. So, 1/4 HP for an hour = 186 watt/hours.
That is enough to run my 60 watt flat screen TV, my 30 watt notebook computer, and a few CFL lights for an hour. I would think you'd be pretty pooped after doing that power generation, too. I vote for a solar panel and a battery.
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But, if you backed up an old 10-speed bike to it, added a pully to the shaft , then you could go through the gears on the bike and you would most likely put out some amazing power. Gear ratio would help you atain that I should think
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07-17-2011, 12:40 PM
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But, if you backed up an old 10-speed bike to it, added a pully to the shaft , then you could go through the gears on the bike and you would most likely put out some amazing power. Gear ratio would help you atain that I should think
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A bicycle would just transfer your out put from your arms to your legs. Legs are generally stronger so you could generate more power longer with the legs.
HP = (torque X rpm) / 5252
You would input torque and rpm through the pedals and sprocket. Changing the gear ratio will change the torque - RPM relationship but will not magnify the HP input you are generating.
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07-17-2011, 02:04 PM
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Good point, JR. Another thing to consider is that pedal powering a generator doesn't develop momentum, so there'd be no shifting through the gears, the load would be constant. To get momentum, a big flywheel would have to be added to the contraption.
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07-17-2011, 04:29 PM
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That makes me exhausted just thinkin about it.
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09-27-2011, 10:44 AM
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Hummmm, I built one once with a $2 bicycle and an old 36V DC motor off a satellite dish drive arm (dumster dived) and a cheapo volt meter to monitor output. All you got to do then is add one 10 year old kid to crank it
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09-27-2011, 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
Hummmm, I built one once with a $2 bicycle and an old 36V DC motor off a satellite dish drive arm (dumster dived) and a cheapo volt meter to monitor output. All you got to do then is add one 10 year old kid to crank it
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Thats the ticket....get a 10 yr old hopped up on Halloween candy
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