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Old 11-30-2013, 02:58 PM
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pine boards in the kitchen for chopping food. Wash a pineboard and after about 10 minutes 90% of the microbes on the surface are dead. Those plastic chopping boards are bug heaven.
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A story from my grandpa who was born in 1899. He said an old man his family knew practiced some herbal medicine. He made a salve of plantain and used it to cure skin cancers. I asked him how the man knew it was cancer. He said he didn't know but it cured sores that wouldn't heal and were eating deep into the flesh. The old man mashed up the leaves and put them in lard to melt in the sun. The lard would turn green and then it was ready to use.

I had a place on my nose in the exact spot my grandma had a skin cancer removed. The doctor gave me a script for a steroid cream and said if that didn't cure the place I would need to have it removed and biopsied. I blended up plantain leaves and put the mash directly on my nose and covered it with a bandaid. In 2 or 3 days , it fell off and seems fine now. That was a couple of years ago. My nose is smooth.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:36 PM
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Thanks turnip. DH has a spot on his face. Have to try it.

My mother used good lard to make salves. She said lard of itself is drawing, and folks used to make calendula salve with lard and used it for mastitis. You had to massage and massage with it.

Garlic also is anti fungal. Mother cured a fungus Dad had on his face that did not budge to anything. The Doctor had given up. I was treating seedlings in the greenhouse for damping off, and mother thought, if it works on plants, it might work on people, and it did.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:46 AM
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... put the mash directly on my nose and covered it with a bandaid. In 2 or 3 days , it fell off and seems fine now. That was a couple of years ago. My nose is smooth.
Was it the scab or your nose that fell off?

The plantain poltice may have worked because the lard carrier served as a good barrier to keep moisture in & bugs out. I've used Vaseline for the same purpose for yrs to treat "strawberries" on hips & knees obtained fom sliding on our Fields of Screams playing ball. They heal quickly without a scab this way.

It's no secret that plants make chemicals that have medicinal value. The question is can using the plant directly, internally or as a topical, put enough of the chemical in the right place to really be effective?

For instance, penicillin comes form common bread mold. How much moldy bread would you have to eat to cure your pneumonia? You'd probably die first of diabetes from eating all that bread before you got enough PCN into your system to be effective.

Garlic has chemicals that kill bacteria and also lower cholesterol: but same problem- you couldn't possibly eat enough of it to get an effective blood level.

Our natural immune systems are amazing, but need to be exercised, so to speak, to keep them strong. We only need chemical help for the overwhelming infections, not the routine little ones.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:00 AM
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Seeing that my nose is smooth, it was the scab that fell off I didn't use lard. I just used the mashed plantain leaves.
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Garlic has chemicals that kill bacteria and also lower cholesterol: but same problem- you couldn't possibly eat enough of it to get an effective blood level.
I have been wondering about garlic lately. Everybody says it's wonderful against infections of all kinds. But if garlic is antimicrobial, then why does it go moldy if you don't use it up fast enough?
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:38 AM
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WildTurnip: Glad to hear t was the scab-- you had me worried there If your poltice didn't involve the lard but still worked, I'm still more inclined to think it was a physical characteristic of the application rather than a chemical one.

MaChar: The sulfide chemicals in the garlic have anti-bacterial effects, not anti-fungal, apparently. "Russian PCN" is extracted, purified and used in the Russian pharm industry in a manner similar to our use of PCN.

BTW- it's the sulfides that give the garlic its odor and its antibacterial & chol-lowering properties, so "de-odorized" garlic tablets have no effect.

I've treated several pts who had large, non-healing skin wounds persisting for months, treated by "wound care specialists" without progress. I just add oral Zinc pills (OTC) to the regimen and like a miracle, six inch ulcers heal in a month or two.
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MaChar: The sulfide chemicals in the garlic have anti-bacterial effects, not anti-fungal, apparently. "Russian PCN" is extracted, purified and used in the Russian pharm industry in a manner similar to our use of PCN.

BTW- it's the sulfides that give the garlic its odor and its antibacterial & chol-lowering properties, so "de-odorized" garlic tablets have no effect.

I've treated several pts who had large, non-healing skin wounds persisting for months, treated by "wound care specialists" without progress. I just add oral Zinc pills (OTC) to the regimen and like a miracle, six inch ulcers heal in a month or two.
Okay...if garlic does kill bacteria, would it be bad for our intestinal flora to ingest a lot of garlic then? Also, if it is not anti-fungal, I guess it would not be effective against yeast infections, as some people say it is...not that I personally have ever been tempted to try.

Now, what is the role that zinc plays in wound healing? I've never heard of that before.
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Old 12-13-2013, 12:24 AM
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I got a yeast thing on my face and it was IDed by microscope as a yeast, I think it was ringworm. Anyway, I used the oil from garlic capsules (the green ones) and it healed it up. It took several days.

Doc, glad I could put your mind at ease Good to know about the zinc pills.
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:49 AM
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I'm not aware that garlic has anti-fungal effects- mold does grow on old garlic, but ringworm (a yeast, not an actual worm) usually heals slowly, so who knows? Maybe we're on to somelthing here.

Zn is known to be an important factor in the immune/healing response. Meat is the only good source of Zn and most old or debiltated pts don't eat enough meat. Zn metabolism is also screwed up in diabetics and they often get non-healing ulcers.

Our intestinal flora is influenced by our diets. The ratios of the different bugs are different in vegans vs normal () people. Garlic may have some influence there, but the question is how much influence. I doubt it's enough one way or the other to worry about.
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wow, some very good information here, thanks to all of you and keep up the great work.
i am still learning but with your help it make it alot easier.
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