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Old 02-21-2014, 11:19 PM
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Junk just doesn't belong in the same sentence as home defense.
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Old 02-22-2014, 04:41 PM
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Even a junk High-Point gun is useful:
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Better the gun you have, than the one you don't have.
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:01 PM
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While I totally agree with that, I see a big difference in not being able to afford a better gun, and intentionally buying a cheap gun.

The gun shop where I worked carried Raven, Jennings, and Hi-Point firearms, but we TOLD people they were not generally as reliable as better quality weapons.

We only sold them because it's all some can afford, but we never suggested they were a good choice on which to bet your life
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:05 PM
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Real "junk" isn't a self-defense weapon in the usual sense of the word, but if it functions reliably even if it isn't the most accurate piece in the world and if it is one of those guns that you can get ammo for when everything else is sold out, then I would consider it a keeper to use as a "last resort" weapon--the kind you leave in a cache or a remote cabin (if you have one). Pack it in grease or silica to prevent rust.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:05 AM
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Ahh, ....... No! If some evil-minded cretin were to sneak onto our property or into our home, then, I think he deserves to be greeted by, 'the very best'!

(Using a second-best, old, marginal, or usually reliable anything for self-defense is never a good idea!)
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Old 11-26-2014, 04:25 PM
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I gonna repel down this cliff.....I don't want to lose or get my brand new repelling rope dirty, and maybe scuffed up......I think I'll just use this old clothes line, that way if something happens to it I won't care.

DUH

What happens is you may die......

Wait for a cash for clunkers gun buy back, and cash it in for cash and buy a decent firearm.

There is something to be said about leaving a decoy out for thieves (or who ever). and did just that....for a while.

Have an old Crescent Arms 12 ga SXS.....loose, not a shooter.
So thought I would leave it on the wall at "The Place" , as a decoy.
Would have to put a notice on it....."Caution, this firearm is unsafe to fire.....do not use"

Then I thought....."Load this baby up with the biggest magnum loads you can find"...... so I can indemnify the body of the miserable POS the broke in.

Then I thought, some as whole is gonna see it, break in, see that notice, shoot it (the wet paint, don't touch syndrome).....then sue that carp out of me.

I just put it away.....nothing of value left behind to see thru windows.
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:17 PM
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I don't own any "junk guns". What I do own is a 'working battery' of firearms.
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Old 11-28-2014, 06:40 PM
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I can't help but think there isn't such a thing as a "junk" gun....
One that needs repair..... One that is only good for good parts, and other parts that aren't useable anymore... Those parts are recyclable metal, or other materials... Same could be said for a car, computer, or most any other device..

Like said, the person with an old used, but safe to use single shot is better armed than empty handed...

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I have some inexpensive guns that I wouldn't mind as much if they were taken as evidence pending an investigation into my use of them in self-defense ... but no junk.

I notice Buds is still selling S&W Model 10 Police Turn-Ins for $300. No junk there, very reliable and adequate to the task, but I won't miss it as much as I would some other guns.
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Best buy in home defense 12 G Chinese made interstate Hawk 982.
It's a Remmington 870 knock off , weigh a ton but does everything it's suppose to for around $200. Sometimes you see em called Norinco
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Best buy in home defense 12 G Chinese made interstate Hawk 982.
Why support the Chinese when you could buy American?
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Why support the Chinese when you could buy American?
Where the computer you're using made ? Look at the label on your clothes .

Why ? $200
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Why support the Chinese when you could buy American?
Its always nice to buy American, but that's not always possible, or affordable. And not everything made in China is junk. I certainly wouldn't consider my Norinco SKS junk, and the air tools I have from Harbor Freight work every bit as well as other tools I have, and for half the price.
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:15 AM
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Where the computer you're using made ?

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Advanced Micro Devices - Wikipedia, the free …
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Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (AMD) is an American worldwide semiconductor company based in Sunnyvale, California, United States,
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https://www.propper.com/about-us

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Why ? $200
I don't mind spending an extra $200 to get the real thing rather than a cheap copy.

If I decide to sell it, I will get that money back, since it will always be worth more
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:23 AM
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Its always nice to buy American, but that's not always possible, or affordable. And not everything made in China is junk. I certainly wouldn't consider my Norinco SKS junk, and the air tools I have from Harbor Freight work every bit as well as other tools I have, and for half the price.
In this case it's possible

A used Remington is just as cheap as a new Chinese gun

There are no American manufacturers of SKS's , so if you want one it will be Chinese or Russian

Your tools won't last as long under heavy use as American made tools
You won't see many professionals using Harbor Freight brands

Ultimately, it's up to the individual to decide where their money goes

I live here, I used to work here, and I prefer for my money to stay here whenever possible

Just don't complain about American jobs being lost if you won't buy their product when you can
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https://www.propper.com/about-us







I don't mind spending an extra $200 to get the real thing rather than a cheap copy.

If I decide to sell it, I will get that money back, since it will always be worth more
You better look again. While amd was "founded" in american it's manufacturing has moved off shore- Germany and Taiwan .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices


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We cut and sew our apparel and gear in our very own 9001-2008 ISO-Certified production facilities in Haiti and Dominican Republic. Propper’s Berry-Compliant production facility in Puerto Rico handles additional cutting and sewing, in addition to pattern-grading, permanent press, permethrin treatments, stone washing, enzyme and garment dying, and certified GORE-TEX seam sealing.
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Nice attempt at distraction

You're the one promoting a foreign product instead of an American company
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In this case it's possible

A used Remington is just as cheap as a new Chinese gun

There are no American manufacturers of SKS's , so if you want one it will be Chinese or Russian

Your tools won't last as long under heavy use as American made tools
You won't see many professionals using Harbor Freight brands

Ultimately, it's up to the individual to decide where their money goes

I live here, I used to work here, and I prefer for my money to stay here whenever possible

Just don't complain about American jobs being lost if you won't buy their product when you can
Possible, maybe, affordable, in many cases not.

A used Remington may or may not be as cheap as a new Chinese made weapon. Depends on where its bought I guess.

Yes, there are no U.S. Manufacturers of SKS's, but the buy American doesn't work for that one.

My tools may certainly not last long, but for what they cost I can buy two sometimes 3 for the same price as one American made tool. So in the long run yes they will last.

I never mentioned professional usage of Harbor Freight tools. I'm not a pro, and I wasn't speaking from a professional standpoint. I'm a hobbyist, and for that the tools are good enough.

I also live here, and used to work here. Buying off shore brands made absolutely no difference in my losing my job as the product my former company produced (Ch47 Chinook helicopter) is not made anywhere else.

There's nothing wrong at all with Buying American. And there is nothing wrong with someone buying what he or she can afford either. If all someone can afford is Harbor Freight, then unless you are footing their bill, you have no say in what they buy.

We are at the point where almost nothing is "made in USA" anymore. Its a simple fact of life.
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Jennings are junk guns.

As a curiosity or just something to plink with sure. As a 2nd choice defense gun no way. Last choice or no other choice OK.
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We are at the point where almost nothing is "made in USA" anymore.
If Americans continue to buy foreign junk just because of the price, whose fault is that?
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