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Old 01-11-2015, 07:46 PM
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last week it was my guns ,this week my wood stove what about next week
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Old 01-11-2015, 09:46 PM
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Bear Foot Farm,

Thanks for the information. I already have an Old Timer wood stove that was made back in the 1980s that's in very good shape. I can just use that and not worry about it then. The reason for this post is I was looking at wood stoves and noticed that some of the stove companies are saying that they won't be selling past models due to regulations. If all stoves are pretty much the same, I guess my old one is still good to go. Thanks again.
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Old 01-11-2015, 09:52 PM
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Thanks also for the information. Sometimes it's hard to separate myth from reality. I don't trust the EPA and wouldn't put it past them to do something stupid though. Then again, like Bear Foot said, state and local laws can be just as bad if not worse.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:25 PM
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If all stoves are pretty much the same, I guess my old one is still good to go. Thanks again.
What I meant was heat output is about the same

The regulations though deal with EMISSIONS, which are what you will have to be careful about when installing your heater.

If your stove doesn't comply, you may not be able to get homeowner's insurance or pass any "occupancy" inspections if those are needed where you choose to build
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If true, this would affect a lot of us, depending on how it is enforced...

http://freepatriot.org/2013/09/30/wo...ade-universal/
Take a look at the source, these hate rags are the work of a certain political party. That subject is right up there with WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOUR GUNS!

These hate rags abound in rural areas or where ever there is no shortage of people too busy trying to make a living [ a problem brought to us by this same group of specialists in manufacturing doubt and stirring up those free patriots] so they never get around to fact checking. If they did they'd find out it's nonsense just like the blather re cloud seeding and mind control. These kinds of publications tell uninformed people exactly what they want to hear so why would they try to find out for them selves? When you are told exactly what you want to hear you should get very suspicious. Then follow the money to the source for the fear and loathing daily news/lie. A pi**ed off population is one you can control easily with lies. I use to wonder how this bunch of power/money junkies could appeal to honest hard working people. I can in a flash..... it's the same three G's that has always worked...... Guns........God............ Greed

They own you!

We have one of those publications in this area too. I light my stove with it, but that's about all it's good for unless you can't afford toilet paper. If you can't afford the t p take it up with the party of manufactured doubt. They also invented outsourcing and the 008 near death of our corrupt to the core financial system.

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Old 04-10-2015, 07:06 PM
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. They also invented outsourcing and the 008 near death of our corrupt to the core financial system.

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Well, actually, the financial crash goes back directly to the law suits filed against the banking industry by ACORN (BO was one of the lawyers) that forced them to start giving out mortgages that couldn't be paid back by the low income mortgagees. Couple that with the unwise practices of FannieMae, the organization known as the retirement home for Democrat hacks, and you get the financial collapse. Check YOUR facts before you publish.

While those types of articles do tend to exaggerate, their point is well taken. As one who is about to put in a wood burning boiler system, I can attest that it is getting a little pricier & difficult due to regs based on unsubstantiated & exaggerated risks of burning wood.

The State of WI is actually trying to encourage use of wood fuel after NG & propane were in short supply the last two years. They said they wouldn't enforce the new regs, but the Feds said they would step in. The struggle has yet to play out.

BTW- welcome to the forum, Pinko ;-) {I'm just yankin' your chain. Alternate views are always welcome here. It makes for good conversation and exchange of ideas. }
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I just read this thread today, and there is a problem with the links everyone mentioning. The two EPA links are both DOWN. So I have not been able to keep up with what the EPA is "supposedly" saying.

And, by the way, after 20 years in the U.S. Navy I KNOW that when the Gov't comes up with one slight change, they already intend to push it through for much tougher controls then what they are saying.
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I just read this thread today, and there is a problem with the links everyone mentioning. The two EPA links are both DOWN. So I have not been able to keep up with what the EPA is "supposedly" saying.

And, by the way, after 20 years in the U.S. Navy I KNOW that when the Gov't comes up with one slight change, they already intend to push it through for much tougher controls then what they are saying.
There doesn't seem to be any significant changes since Jan 2014:

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/ordinances.html

http://www2.epa.gov/residential-wood-heaters
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:22 PM
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Thank you Bearfoot. These were not active last night for what ever reason. I will take my time and read them before making any more comments.
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There doesn't seem to be any significant changes since Jan 2014:

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/ordinances.html

http://www2.epa.gov/residential-wood-heaters
In Northern Tool store here in Tennessee. They had a sign on their potbelly stoves and other non cad stoves that said Due to EPA regulation these stoves would no longer be available after Dec 2015.
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:39 AM
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In Northern Tool store here in Tennessee. They had a sign on their potbelly stoves and other non cad stoves that said Due to EPA regulation these stoves would no longer be available after Dec 2015.
Hopefully all the older ones will be "grandfathered" so they can still be installed, but I expect before long you won't be able to use them at all in newer homes.

I've heard "cook-stoves" are exempt from the regulations, but I don't know it that's correct
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Old 11-01-2015, 10:37 AM
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there are 2 types of stoves that are ok under regulations, at least when i read the regulations a few years ago. they are complete cumbustion types that use newer technology to reduce smoke (slightly more efficent so use a little less fuel), but they cannot be dampered down for a long burn (long burns are slower and smolder and create more smoke and creosote). they also grandfathered in non airtight stoves like the cast iron ones because of all the gaps in them they have a ratio of 30 parts air to 1 part smoke up the chimney, they are not efficent, they were grandfathered in but this criteria only includes stoves designed in the 1800s. airtight stoves from the 1900s are illegal under the current regulations.

if those pot belly stoves are being banned they might be getting stricter on the ones that are grandfathered.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:23 AM
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Hopefully all the older ones will be "grandfathered" so they can still be installed, but I expect before long you won't be able to use them at all in newer homes.

I've heard "cook-stoves" are exempt from the regulations, but I don't know it that's correct
All are exempt
http://www2.epa.gov/residential-wood...quirements-new
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That's really good to see. Thank you for sharing the link.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:44 PM
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and this subject is extremely important to me.
I am still a renter and it looks as if I'll die that way, but I remodeled a home just two years ago which I will live in until I do die, even if that is another 22 years, 9 months and whatever days away. 25 Year Lease for the remodeling job of an old barn turned house in 1970, LOL.
What can I say, it has 56 acres to go along with it, on the edge of the city that is still fathered in as farm land. I just wish I could move the house back about 200 yards back. Maybe a Log Home back there and I'll rent this house out later, LOL.
Anyway, I have just finished building myself an outside wood fired boiler to heat the house, the domestic water heater and the small shop I have attached to the house with and I hope to add a large free standing shop, a green house and an under ground heated garden space later on, all heated with the fallen wood in the 56 acres here.
There are several hundred cords of wood, either laying on the ground, or dead and standing waiting for man to cut into fire wood here.
So please don't tell me that after the life that I have had, and all the money and work that I have spent on this project, the EPA is going to come in and tell me that I can't burn wood in it.
I am hoping that the EPA is only going after the Manufactures of these stoves, and I think they are rightly so to do that.
I studied, and I studied and I studied wood boilers before I ever started mine and I took the best parts of them all and added my 2 cents to them, before I ever welded a stitch.
That was about two years ago.
I am disabled and that is how long it has taken me to build mine part time as it is, but the industry still hasn't caught on to one thing that I have employed into my boiler that they, for some reason doesn't think matters.
I think that I am a good fabricator.
I am good at designing things and building them, but they have engineers that hasn't even looked at what I have found.
There is a gold mine of heat setting in the coals in the bottom of these boilers that they pay no attention to.
I have a double chamber to re-burn the fuels, if that truly works. I will see about that because I built a sight glass to look at the fire while it burns under all circumstances.
I am two days away from firing mine up, so I'll be back soon.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:47 PM
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and this subject is extremely important to me.
I am still a renter and it looks as if I'll die that way, but I remodeled a home just two years ago which I will live in until I do die, even if that is another 22 years, 9 months and whatever days away. 25 Year Lease for the remodeling job of an old barn turned house in 1970, LOL.
What can I say, it has 56 acres to go along with it, on the edge of the city that is still fathered in as farm land. I just wish I could move the house back about 200 yards back. Maybe a Log Home back there and I'll rent this house out later, LOL.
Anyway, I have just finished building myself an outside wood fired boiler to heat the house, the domestic water heater and the small shop I have attached to the house with and I hope to add a large free standing shop, a green house and an under ground heated garden space later on, all heated with the fallen wood in the 56 acres here.
There are several hundred cords of wood, either laying on the ground, or dead and standing waiting for man to cut into fire wood here.
So please don't tell me that after the life that I have had, and all the money and work that I have spent on this project, the EPA is going to come in and tell me that I can't burn wood in it.
I am hoping that the EPA is only going after the Manufactures of these stoves, and I think they are rightly so to do that.
I studied, and I studied and I studied wood boilers before I ever started mine and I took the best parts of them all and added my 2 cents to them, before I ever welded a stitch.
That was about two years ago.
I am disabled and that is how long it has taken me to build mine part time as it is, but the industry still hasn't caught on to one thing that I have employed into my boiler that they, for some reason doesn't think matters.
I think that I am a good fabricator.
I am good at designing things and building them, but they have engineers that hasn't even looked at what I have found.
There is a gold mine of heat setting in the coals in the bottom of these boilers that they pay no attention to.
I have a double chamber to re-burn the fuels, if that truly works. I will see about that because I built a sight glass to look at the fire while it burns under all circumstances.
I am two days away from firing mine up, so I'll be back soon.
Dennis
I forgot to say that my rent is only $325 a month and he has to pay for the taxes and upkeep. And I get paid for the repairs. I couldn't buy this place for that and it won't be mine when I leave here anyway.
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Old 11-22-2015, 09:05 PM
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No one is saying you can't burn wood. The new " approved " type of stoves ( gasification) not only burn cleaner but use lots and lots of less wood- less to cut and split or buy. Thier prices are nearing the current price of the old style.

All in all nothing wrong with this rule. If house has old style it is grandfathered so your fine !. I have old style and would dearly love to go to gasification models .
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:20 AM
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All in all nothing wrong with this rule.
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You did point out an advantage of the newer furnaces: better efficiency, but failed to point out the disadvantages.

Gassification involves smouldering the wood under hypoxic conditions, meaning more poisonous H2 & CO is produced.

The new restrictions also mean applications of wood burning heat sources in little used outbuildings will become cost prohibitive. Instead of buying an expensive unit for only occasional use, one will either be deprived of an opportunity to use a cheap fuel source, or be forced to fabricate his own furnace, presumably even less efficient or safe than an old-style, professionally manufactured one.

ALL solutions involve a trade-off between conflicting factors. Rules mean everyone must do it the same way with no opportunity for adaptation for individual efficiency.

As we said at the beginning of this thread, the rules may make sense when applied to those living in a congested urban/suburban setting, but are unnecessarily restrictive on those in a rural setting.
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You be made these type claims before and it is not what I read.
I have ask for you source before also.
Do you have it ? I would like to read it.
Please provide
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:21 PM
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Not sure what you're questioning. New style furnaces are more expensive than older ones.

You can look up gasification online-- basically, if you heat up wood without enough O2, it breaks down to H2 & C. The little bit of O2 still there is added to give a little H2O and CO. With full O2, it would oxidize all the way to H2O and CO2....That's the basis of the wood burning ICE: produce H2 & CO in the drum, them pipe it to the engine as fuel for complete oxidation.
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