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Old 10-31-2013, 05:10 PM
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I have enjoyed this thread...but guys, it is all about placement.

If you can hit the right part, a 22LR will kill a person...

If you are firing a 45 and have fewer bullets than I do because I carry a 9mm,

AND

If I can hit three inch circles consistently at ten yards and 5 inch circles at 25 yards,

AND

You cannot...

then a rational betting person would bet on me.

I would rather have 32 rounds of 9mm in an XD 9 (with one spare mag) then half that amount of 45 ACP in a 1911...

I know the arguments about adrenalin and tunnel vision and all that... but I still think it is about the ability to place your shots into the right places...

three hits in the heart and lungs with my 9mm is enough... or one in the brain...and I have plenty of shots.

if you have a 45 or a bazooka and cannot hit anything I win the test.

For me, I like the 9 because with just one spare magazine I can put a lot of rounds into bad guy(s).

JUST my two cents worth.

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Old 10-31-2013, 07:20 PM
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three hits in the heart and lungs with my 9mm is enough... or one in the brain...and I have plenty of shots.

if you have a 45 or a bazooka and cannot hit anything I win the test.

For me, I like the 9 because with just one spare magazine I can put a lot of rounds into bad guy(s).

JUST my two cents worth.

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I have enjoyed this thread...but guys, it is all about placement.



I know the arguments about adrenalin and tunnel vision and all that... but I still think it is about the ability to place your shots into the right places...

three hits in the heart and lungs with my 9mm is enough... or one in the brain...and I have plenty of shots.

if you have a 45 or a bazooka and cannot hit anything I win the test.

For me, I like the 9 because with just one spare magazine I can put a lot of rounds into bad guy(s).

JUST my two cents worth.

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Except the target is shooting back........ You don't get to leisurely take your time, line up your sights, squeeze a shot off......

All that........

You silhouette your target with your pistol covering the chest and squeeze them off. When your empty, you look to see that you hit.

Anybody telling you all about winning the gunfight because your a better shot and took your time, aimed, and placing the bullet just so........

Has never been shot at.
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:52 PM
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What he said.

Whether we like it or not- bad guys do get lucky. As well, bad guys may be able to shoot too.

Go with what you got, train as much as you can, and when the situation demands it.

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Old 11-03-2013, 12:48 PM
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Except the target is shooting back........ You don't get to leisurely take your time, line up your sights, squeeze a shot off......

All that........

You silhouette your target with your pistol covering the chest and squeeze them off. When your empty, you look to see that you hit.

Anybody telling you all about winning the gunfight because your a better shot and took your time, aimed, and placing the bullet just so........

Has never been shot at.

COULD NOT AGREE MORE... most bad guys don't practice.. and they are facing the same problems... that is, somebody shooting back at them...

My premise still holds, the person who can place rounds accurately will more than likely be the winner.. that is, the one still alive.

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:16 AM
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That's why you learn to RAPIDLY get a FRONT SIGHT picture before you shoot

It's not the "first shot" that wins
It's the first GOOD HIT
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:09 PM
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That's why you learn to RAPIDLY get a FRONT SIGHT picture before you shoot

It's not the "first shot" that wins
It's the first GOOD HIT
This is key for defensive shooting FMJ or HP. I grew up bulls eye shooting. I would line my front and rear sights than bring them onto to the target as I focused onto the front sight. I would come from the bottom of the target, at my own pace, and fire when I was on target when I was ready. This is slow.

Learning to flash sight or front sight has been a challenge for me, but I am starting to get it. This makes a huge difference on how fast you can get on target and back on target after you have fired.
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That's why you learn to RAPIDLY get a FRONT SIGHT picture before you shoot

It's not the "first shot" that wins
It's the first GOOD HIT
Sounds good on the range.
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Sounds good on the range.
If you do it enough on the range, you will do it under stress.
It only takes a small fraction of a second

Spray and pray is poor tactics, and a miss won't stop a threat
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If you do it enough on the range, you will do it under stress.
It only takes a small fraction of a second

Spray and pray is poor tactics, and a miss won't stop a threat
The range isn't the street.

You will be thinking "how do I get out of here?"

"Oh my god! Why is this happening!"

"RUN!"

Front sight? Not so much.
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The range isn't the street.

You will be thinking "how do I get out of here?"

"Oh my god! Why is this happening!"

"RUN!"

Front sight? Not so much.
So are saying don't practice shooting just prepare to run. When you train enough you will develop muscle memory, you will alo get more proficient. Both these will help free up your brain to do other things.
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So are saying don't practice shooting just prepare to run. When you train enough you will develop muscle memory, you will alo get more proficient. Both these will help free up your brain to do other things.
I am saying.

Preparing for a gunfight is many things. Only a small part of which is practicing to hit center mass of a target at any range.

The true standard of learning to react, is force on force encounters in which you stand to get hit and your target is moving.

Paintball, Simunitions, pellets, are some options.

The range is just handling skills and marksmanship, it does little to prepare you for a lethal encounter except to know that particular firearm.
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I am saying.

Preparing for a gunfight is many things. Only a small part of which is practicing to hit center mass of a target at any range.

The true standard of learning to react, is force on force encounters in which you stand to get hit and your target is moving.

Paintball, Simunitions, pellets, are some options.

The range is just handling skills and marksmanship, it does little to prepare you for a lethal encounter except to know that particular firearm.
Like realism in training? Like realism in testing. To go to a range stand there and shot at a stationary target and call self defense training is like shooting into a block of stationary gelatin and calling that good testing. It does have some value but it just isnít enough.
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Bullshit. Gelatin is realism in testing.
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Bullshit. Gelatin is realism in testing.
For seeing how bullets penetrate into gelatin. If you hunt you have probably cut into an animal. Is it anything like ballistic gelatin?
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For seeing how bullets penetrate into gelatin. If you hunt you have probably cut into an animal. Is it anything like ballistic gelatin?
If you hunt..... then you have shot many animals..... was it the same every time?
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If you hunt..... then you have shot many animals..... was it the same every time?
nope, unlike gelatin.



http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20...TraumaUnit.htm (lots of bullets hitting bone!!!!!)

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nope, unlike gelatin.
Which is why shooting animals is not testing.

You really need to understand what a "TEST" is, what "Scientific Method" is, what "control factors" are.

You keep repeating your "it is not the same" blather hoping someone agree with you.

You don't understand "Testing" well enough to understand the replies you have received repeatedly in this thread.

It is time for you to crack a book and educate yourself.
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The range isn't the street.

You will be thinking "how do I get out of here?"

"Oh my god! Why is this happening!"

"RUN!"


Front sight? Not so much.
NO, You won't be "thinking" at all
You will be REACTING in the same manner in which you TRAINED

Unless of course, you're saying blind panic is how you always react
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