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Old 02-08-2014, 01:03 AM
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Default .22LR Substitute

Recognizing the fact that there will probably no return to the good old days of abundant ammo stocks, what small caliber ML flintlock or other weapon would be an effecient substitute for the .22LR? The .36 ML looks like a viable alternative, but there could well be others.

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Depends upon the viable alternatives to store bought black powder.
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:45 AM
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Depends upon the viable alternatives to store bought black powder.
When we were blithely ignorant or uncaring of the danger a lot of us as kids, no doubt, made black powder. Now, what I call "extremely serious BP shooters" are reviving the art of safely making quality black powder at home on a small scale. Some great how to articles with good illustrations are available on sites like castboolits.gunloads.com if any want to attempt it. In the extreme one can even dig up guides to extracting from scratch all the basic ingredients for powder making. I for one can't resist, gotta try it after I finish casting a few more projectiles. Also, wouldn't it be great to have time and other resources to make a small bore flint lock on one's own? Me thinks they'll never be able to stop the handiest among us from having what we need to shoot.

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Air rifles are a better solution to taking the place of 22's

They require far less danger and cleaning than BP

Making your own BP would be foolish when you can get SAFE air rifles

There are air rifles now capable of killing deer:

http://www.pyramydair.com
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:49 AM
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There are air rifles now capable of killing deer....[/url]
That is very interesting! Have you personally used one of these air rifles to take a deer?
Air rifles are, of course, a pretty good alternative to .22 rim fire.

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I've never considered an air rifle - don't know a thing about them.

Since a lot of my .22 shooting is plinking and target shooting from my deck, this may be a good alternative for me. I'll have to do some research.
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Air rifles are a better solution to taking the place of 22's

They require far less danger and cleaning than BP

Making your own BP would be foolish when you can get SAFE air rifles

There are air rifles now capable of killing deer:

http://www.pyramydair.com
Plus one on that.....then become proficient with a bow.
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Lewis and Clarkk carried a couple of air rifles on their expedition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

Here are a few good resources:
http://www.umarexusa.com/pages/choosingpellets.aspx

http://www.blueline-studios.com/kuen....com/talk.html

http://www.airguns.net/links.php#forums

Pyramyd Air also has lots of tutorial information on their site

http://www.pyramydair.com
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Help me out, folks. You fellas with experience hunting deer with air rifles please pick for me which rifle(s) at the referenced link I should look at to hunt deer with. Thanks in advance.

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Air rifles are a better solution to taking the place of 22's

They require far less danger and cleaning than BP

Making your own BP would be foolish when you can get SAFE air rifles

There are air rifles now capable of killing deer:

http://www.pyramydair.com
+1 on the air rifles, cept for the deer part. Not arguing against a model being able to kill a deer, but sure glad I have a lot of options before testing that theory.
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Help me out, folks. You fellas with experience hunting deer with air rifles please pick for me which rifle(s) at the referenced link I should look at to hunt deer with. Thanks in advance.

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I've never done it.
I just said there are air rifles that can do it

Most will be 35-50 caliber PCP guns costing several thousand dollars
http://www.outdoorlife.com/node/1001308261
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Beginning with the fall 2008 deer hunting seasons, Missouri firearms deer hunters will be allowed to use .40 caliber or larger air-powered rifles
Do a search on "Deer hunting air rifle" and you can find a lot of info.
You can find a few guns starting in the $700 price range, not counting scopes and air pumps:
http://www.airgundepot.com/big-bore-article.html

Here's another good site with an endless supply of air gun info:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php

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As stated earlier the air gun would be a fine sub for the 22lr. ML in 40-45 cal is also nice. Even a 50 and 54 with the powder charge cut in half would be great on small game.

If you're looking at saving money look at what you already have and then make up a plinking load for it.

I've made up plinkers for all my 30 cal stuff. My new 223 rem so I was told, can be loaded down to a 22 mag. which will be great for cast boolits.

I'm selling off a few of my firearms and keeping the favorites that have proven themselves over the years. Getting lazy , don't feel like cleaning the ones I do not shoot any longer. LOL
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Lewis and Clarkk carried a couple of air rifles on their expedition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle

Here are a few good resources:
http://www.umarexusa.com/pages/choosingpellets.aspx

http://www.blueline-studios.com/kuen....com/talk.html

http://www.airguns.net/links.php#forums

Pyramyd Air also has lots of tutorial information on their site

http://www.pyramydair.com
Thanks! I'll digest this info over the weekend (too cold to do anything outside!).
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Cross bow may be a good alternative.
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Cross bow may be a good alternative.
Bolts are a lot more expensive than pellets, and although they are supposed to be "reusable", reality is they most likely will either break or get lost with just a few shots

It takes 100+ lbs of force to cock them compared to about 30 lbs for most pellet rifles

I can buy 500 22 cal pellets for around $10.
That same $10 might buy 2 bolts for the crossbow

A crossbow would be better for big game than as a 22 substitute
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Thanks gets. I'll check out that info.
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The only two stories about hunting with crossbows from people who hunted with someone using one (handicapped) is...............

The bolt went through the deer. Punched through the rib cage, transected the deer, punched through the rib cage on the other side, and kept going.

We are talking a 350+ pull though.
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Recognizing the fact that there will probably no return to the good old days of abundant ammo stocks, what small caliber ML flintlock or other weapon would be an effecient substitute for the .22LR? The .36 ML looks like a viable alternative, but there could well be others.

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Just my thoughts but supply will eventually equal demand. It always does . It already had in nearly all caliber and will to so in 22 also . The one law that never fails .
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We are talking a 350+ pull though.
LOL
That's over 10 times more than what is needed to do that

Pyramyd Air is having a good sale right now:
http://www.pyramydair.com/pre-owned-...+open+box+guns
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When we were blithely ignorant or uncaring of the danger a lot of us as kids, no doubt, made black powder. Now, what I call "extremely serious BP shooters" are reviving the art of safely making quality black powder at home on a small scale. Some great how to articles with good illustrations are available on sites like castboolits.gunloads.com if any want to attempt it. In the extreme one can even dig up guides to extracting from scratch all the basic ingredients for powder making. I for one can't resist, gotta try it after I finish casting a few more projectiles. Also, wouldn't it be great to have time and other resources to make a small bore flint lock on one's own? Me thinks they'll never be able to stop the handiest among us from having what we need to shoot.

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Well if you have livestock, you have ammonium nitrate. If you have hardwood trees (or better coconut shells) you have carbon. What most of us don't have is volcanic soil rich in sulfur.

So if the govt outlaws black powder, continues to regulate ammonium nitrate as they do, and extends those controls to sulfur..............

It depends upon your alternative to black powder.
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