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Old 06-15-2015, 08:05 AM
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Default Optimal defensive shotgun loads

Birdshot, because of its small size, does not have the mass and sectional density to penetrate deeply enough to reliably reach and damage critical blood distribution organs.

Although birdshot can destroy a great volume of tissue at close range, the permanent crush cavity is usually less than 6 inches deep, and this is not deep enough to reliably include the heart or great blood vessels of the abdomen.

A gruesome, shallow wound in the torso does not guarantee a quick stop, especially if the bad guy is chemically intoxicated or psychotic. If the tissue crushed by the pellets does not include a vital cardiovascular structure there's no reason for it to be an effective wound.

Many people load their shotguns with birdshot, usually #6 shot or smaller, to minimize interior wall penetration. Number 6 lead birdshot, when propelled at 1300 fps, has a maximum penetration depth potential of about 5 inches in standard ordnance gelatin.

Not all of the pellets penetrate this deeply however; most of the shot will penetrate about 4 inches.
Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances.

A standard 2 -inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma.
With birdshot you are wise to keep in mind that your gunfire has the potential to NOT PRODUCE an effective wound.

Do not expect birdshot to have any decisive effect.

Naked intruder, shot in back with shotgun at close range not only doesn't stop the attack, but continues to masturbate until police arrive:

Fornshell said at one point the teen put his hands around the neck of the woman who was on the phone with dispatchers, attempting to rape her.

At that point, Fornshell said the woman's husband fired his shotgun. The teen was hit and so was the woman.

Fornshell said the 17-year-old continued to act irrationally.

"This was one of the facts that led us to believe he was under the influence of something because he was completely oblivious after he had been shot, he was masturbating on the porch of the house," Fornshell said.
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Old 06-16-2015, 04:22 PM
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There has been things written from the 22 short to the 50 BMG that say it does/doesn't work.... I've read some but not all of these things.... I'm sure everyone has read many reports at one time or another as well...

Personally, I don't want to take home either one or anything else in between under my skin.... Regardless of how deep it goes or what part of my body....

The essential element seems to be regardless of what tool you use, keep using it until you prevail.. You may not get out of a situation unharmed, but to prevail is mandatory...

My 2 cents... Keep safe...
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