{"id":5697,"date":"2019-03-06T23:01:11","date_gmt":"2019-03-07T04:01:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/?p=5697"},"modified":"2019-03-06T23:16:46","modified_gmt":"2019-03-07T04:16:46","slug":"the-trouble-with-red-flag-laws","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/the-trouble-with-red-flag-laws\/","title":{"rendered":"THE TROUBLE WITH RED FLAG LAWS"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>When pieces\no\u2019 feces like the one at Parkland wreak mass murders, we in the gun owners\u2019\ncivil rights movement are the first to say, \u201cWe need psycho control, not gun\ncontrol.\u201d&nbsp; When so-called Red Flag laws\nare proposed that would disarm someone when damn near anyone says, \u201cthat person\nis crazy and dangerous,\u201d we look like hypocrites when we say, \u201cWait a minute!\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it\u2019s not\nhypocrisy.&nbsp;&nbsp; We\u2019re resistant because\nthese proposals \u2013 at least all the ones I\u2019ve seen \u2013 are too hastily written,\nand dangerously lacking in checks and balances.&nbsp;\n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cSWAT-ing\u201d\nhas become a thing. It\u2019s a form of harassment in which the hater makes a false\ncall to police claiming that some horrible crime is happening at the victim\u2019s\nhome, with the result that armed police in a high state of danger alert respond\nthere.&nbsp; It has already caused tragic,\nunnecessary death.&nbsp; Long before this\ntrend, bitter and hateful people were making false complaints to police and the\ncourts: any experienced cop can confirm that, and so can any divorce lawyer who\nhas practiced family law for any length of time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anti-gunners\non Facebook and elsewhere have claimed that any time they spot a gun on\nsomeone, they will attack them (and that has actually happened) or they will\ncall 9-1-1 with a \u201cHelp! Man with a gun!\u201d call.&nbsp;\nWhat would such people do if they believed a simple phone call could get\na gun owner \u2013 and his or her firearms \u2013 seized? The potential for abuse is\nobvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Too many of\nthe proposals would take a single accuser\u2019s word as truth. Let\u2019s say Marvin the\nMonster is stalking Vickie the Victim.&nbsp;\nHe calls in and claims that Vickie is out of her mind and has threatened\nhim with a gun.&nbsp; Vickie\u2019s guns are\nautomatically seized.&nbsp; It will be at\nleast days before she can have a hearing, be cleared, and get them back\u2026and for\nevery minute of all those days she is helpless to protect herself from Marvin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Red Flag\nlaws need to be done right, and that won\u2019t happen unless our side goes beyond\nknee-jerk opposition and has a hand in formulating them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Such a law, IMHO, should require\nprobable cause to trigger confiscation.<\/li><li>It would have to provide for quick\nhearing and resolution of false claims, something that will be difficult in\ntoday\u2019s clogged court system. <\/li><li>There are logistical issues to\nconsider: storage space for temporarily confiscated guns, perhaps provisions\nfor them to be stored with FFL dealers, etc., protocols for disposal of a gun\ncollection if the owner is indeed dangerous based on investigation and\nadjudication and is institutionalized, and so on.<\/li><li>There should be serious, and perhaps\nmandatory, penalties for false accusations. <\/li><li>If the claim is that the subject has\nsaid he\u2019s going to steal his neighbor\u2019s or relative\u2019s guns to commit mass\nmurder, do the innocent neighbor\u2019s or relative\u2019s guns get seized?<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Input from professionals seems to be lacking in the proposals I\u2019ve seen thus far.\u00a0 I would like to see a blue ribbon panel of knowledgeable psychologists and psychiatrists \u2013 Dr. William Aprill in Louisiana, Dr. Alexis Artwohl in Arizona, and Dr. Anthony Semone in Pennsylvania all come to mind \u2013 study this issue and make some professional recommendations from their field of expertise. Similarly, I want to hear from police administrators on logistical elements: someone <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"like this Colorado sheriff (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mcsonews.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">like this Colorado sheriff<\/a>, who has a handle on it. And I want the legislators to tell us what they want the law to do with genuinely dangerous people once their guns have been confiscated.\u00a0 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Readers,\nchime in:&nbsp; We all want to see psychopathic\nkillers stopped before they can claim their first victims, and we all want the\nprocess to be such that it minimizes and hopefully forecloses the chance of\nabuse by false accusation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What would\nYOU want to see in such legislation?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When pieces o\u2019 feces like the one at Parkland wreak mass murders, we in the gun owners\u2019 civil rights movement are the first to say, \u201cWe need psycho control, not gun control.\u201d&nbsp; When so-called Red Flag laws are proposed that would disarm someone when damn near anyone says, \u201cthat person is crazy and dangerous,\u201d we [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":5698,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-5697","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-uncategorized"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5697","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5697"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5697\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5699,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5697\/revisions\/5699"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5698"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5697"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5697"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.backwoodshome.com\/blogs\/MassadAyoob\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5697"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}