AGAINST A RISING SEA OF B.S.

Just goes to show that: Statistics don’t lie, but liars use statistics.

The politicians are just giving this tragedy lip service. Nothing will be done to increase gun control. The people don’t want it and it would political suicide for the politicians. Everyone is slowly realizing that more guns = less crime, and that the police can’t be everywhere to protect people.

Thanks so much for sharing this, Mas.

Well written article. And the Sea of B.S. is still rising. Talk in the Senate about another “hi-capacity” magazine ban:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2012/7/anti-gun-senators-offer-gun-control-amendment-for-cybersecurity-bill.aspx

and I know it’s already been posted but John Lott has a lot of good covereage on this as well.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

The guy in the whitehouse is talking gun control in the open now. At least Romney isn’t calling for more gun control… I love how out of touch Bloomberg is with reality. He’s saying Police Officers should go on strike until there’s more gun control.

Might just be me, but it seems Officers are pretty good at telling who the good guys are and that’s why they don’t have a problem with CCW holders…

GOA just told me that Hilary Clinton is going to sign the UN Arms Control Treaty, TODAY, so if you don’t want to live, or die, under Foreign Rule:
Now is the TIME to get in your Senators FACES, and let them know that the UN Arms Control Treaty cannot and will not be RADIFYED or ENFORCED here in America.

Like many here, I’ve had a few discussions about the gun/ammo numbers in the Aurora case.

Compare to this evolving situation:
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07/colorado-theater-copycat-shooting-suspect-arrested-in-anne-arundel-county-78231.html

20 guns, 400 rds ammo. Although dangerous, it hardly qualifies as a stockpile. Many of us routinely head to the range with a dozen guns and more than 400 rounds. Imagine the press hoopla if you got pulled over. “another WW3 avoided!” would read the headlines.

In fact, the Aurora shooter had totally run-of-the-mill guns, and having more ammo than you can carry, let alone load in a timely manner, does not equal the sum of the parts of this plot. The numbers are like wind chill.

Unless the shooter had more than two hands, and is hiding some serious muscle under those wimpy arms of his, the actual numbers that matter are quite small. Still dangerous, yes. But well beyond the point of disminishing returns!

This must be the proper solution to the mass murders taking place in the “Gun Free Kill Zones” around the US.

http://www.infowars.com/how-to-stop-a-massacre-surveillance-video-reveals-simple-low-cost-solution-that-works-everywhere/

In addition to the points discussed in this article, I take issue with the notion that an attempt by armed citizens to defend themselves “would have just made things worse”.

A key assumption that is made is that Holmes was some sort of super-effective gunslinger, a Terminator in the form of a skinny college kid; while CCW permit holders a slack-jawed yokels who can’t count past ten unless they take off their shoes.

But is there any evidence that Holmes was that good? Yes, he had the advantage of surprise, he was heavily armed, and he had body armor. But that doesn’t make him invincible.

I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that Holmes has any military or law enforcement experience, or any competent firearms training at all.

Yes, the theater was dark. But unless Holmes is indeed a Terminator, that affects him too, especially since he was wearing a gas mask. Maybe gas masks have changed since I was in the service but the vision out of them is rather crappy.

I’m not sticking my chest and saying “yeah, that guy would have been TOAST if I’d been there!” I don’t know that. But I think a trained permit holder WOULD have stood a chance–at least a better chance than an unarmed victim!

Good stuff. I’m glad he rightly pointed out that certain “studies” drew their conclusions only after omitting significant amounts of data that didn’t fit their agenda, and also Harvard’s connection with the Joyce Foundation.

Funny how people that are so ignorant are so insistant that they are right.

Dear Massad,

I am new to the sport of pistol shooting, being a Canadian it takes quite a bit just to own a handgun. I would like to get involved in firearms sports such as IDPA or IPSC. I am however 46 years old, but in good shape, have been weight endurance and pistol training for some months and am quite good with a pistol now after much practice.

Do you have any advice for folks who get involved in firearms later in life like myself, for competitions?

Best regards,
David

I enjoy being an armed grampa ~;-)

Looking forward to some range-time with new grand-child to arrive next November.

To paraphrase Smokey – Only YOU can immediately prevent gun violence!

The ONLY Thing you need to know about what “Could Happen” when Govnment is the only one that has the weapons; (I know..I know, people all over the world said It can’t happen here)..Out of 3,797 executions 3,400 were carried out in China, but sources inside the country have estimated the number to be nearly 10,000. NOTE: If REAL Pictures gets you Worked-up, don’t click on the link.

http://www.friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html

Mas, I find this young man with the wisdom of a sage…..http://patriotupdate.com/26761/26761 .There’s a lot I could say but he does it best.

David from Canda asks: “Do you have any advice for folks who get involved in firearms later in life like myself, for competitions?”

I started at 50. Be safe, be teachable, focus on competing only with your own scores. Competition makes you more proficient but “best of the best” are few and far between.

Another that struck me as interesting, and sadly I cant find in reasonable time where, but one of the funnier ones I read up on in the CDC website or other similar governmental site showed statistics per capita for gun violence.

The small print for the data included a tiny bit of relevant information: this statistic included ANY use of a firearm for violence, including using the firearm as a club. Fair enough, but i’m sure people aren’t considering this… not a shot fired but still the tally goes up one.

We need to ban together and VOTE “Barack Hussein Obama” OUT!!!! He has done enough damage to this country, shown his prejudice towards law abiding citizens who use a gun in self defence against an African American and his siding with African Americans in disputes with local police.

This is the most important election of our life time and it is time to make him a one term President before our country sinks further in debt and more racial and classes of people are divided.

guess they forget it was “gun owners” that gave them that right to redress

back in 1775 when the redcoats marched from Boston, MA to confiscate guns in Lexington / Concord, MA . . .

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and scaremongering about the UN Arms Control Treaty issue.

Let me set the record straight.

First, this treaty, if ratified, only effects the international flow of arms. It DOES NOT say anything about the flow of arms or ownership within a sovereign nation.

Second, a president CANNOT somehow made a treaty and thus nullify our rights thru a backdoor. In addition, treaties must be ratified.

Third, the supreme law of the land has always been and always will be, the constitution. The second amendment will remain in force unless a new amendment ratified by a majority of the states, succeeds it. As long as the current interpretation of the second amendment and legal precedent is followed, we should be fine. The idea that the federal government could somehow attempt to round up millions of guns, is absurd. Millions of gun owners like myself would simply report them stolen will hiding them somewhere. Stop worrying, we will be fine.

Mas, while we all “know” these self evident Nugent truths, there is one guy who can trump all of them. That is SCOTUS justice Antonin Scalia. Today after a TV interview that touched on gun control, I don’t think we can count on him any longer. As more cases work their way to the 9 men in black, we may find out that then next couple of generations in America will be disarmed. Pity.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/scalia-guns-may-be-regulated-20120729

There is a whole lot to this that I dont get. Too dark to shoot back, yet light enough to see he was bullet proof?? Everytime I go to the theatre some one stands up, and they block the screen! and I have shot thousands of silhouette targets. I think they should outlaw murder, make t against the law. That will stop it…

In the wake of the Aurora homicides, gun control advocates have renewed their calls for stricter gun controls citing the murders carried out by a homicidal gunman.
They claim that if gun control laws were stricter, the gunman could not have carried out this crime.
Since the suspect in this crime ,(Mr. Holmes) had no prior criminal record, was not on a terrorist watch list and had no adjudicated psychiatric record, what new gun control law would have prevented him from purchasing or owning any of the firearms used in the shootings?
Much has been said about his semiautomatic rifle and the extended clip but it jammed and he carried out the majority of his homicides with a pistol and a pump shotgun.
If an adult, with no criminal record who has not been adjudicated as a psychiatric danger to himself or others, cannot legally purchase or own these weapons, who can?
That is what the gun control advocates want. They want the citizens of the United States disarmed.
If that is not what they want, I would ask what further gun control laws could be enacted that would have prevented this massacre?

The impending presidential election in November is not the most important election in our lifetimes, it’s the most important election in America history.

This election will decide whether America goes down the Marxist road to economic ruin or up the road to a long recovery after four years of the most incompetent regime in United States history. Our malevolent Dear Leader has done just about the opposite of everything which would help our nation recover from the last two years of the previous administration, caused mainly by the Democrats taking Congress in 2006 and former President George W. Bush not having the guts or will to oppose Pelosi and Reid and their financially destructive agenda to gain more power at the expense of destroying our nation.

From running up the deficit to an all time high, more than the previous 43 administrations combined; to bowing down to foreign leaders; to oppressing businesses, especially small ones; to restricting our abilities to drill for oil and lessening dependence on foreign sources; to having more lobbyists in D.C, instead of eliminating them as he had promised; to playing the race card constantly; to blaming the previous admintration for his own incompetence; to raising taxes in a very weak economy so he could “spread the wealth”; to wasting trillions of hard earned tax money, including giving away our money to other countries so they can better compete with us economically; our Dear Leader has done his best to flush his adopted country down the toilet. Do we want four more years of this crap? Will this dude even leave after another four more years, or will he find some way of becoming ‘President For Life” like his good buddies Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro?

Americans need to vote The Anointed One aka The Messiah, out of the White House – while there are still more good people than bad ones as our kids are getter dumber and dumber with each generation thanks to liberal teachers who are wildly successful in turning out ‘useful idiots’ as Vlad Lenin called them, to become future mindless Democratic Party members.

Thanks for sharing MAS. I got where I am turning off any news on the case that has any talking heads since it bad for my BP.

@minerran- I think the major concern for the UN Small Arms Treaty is the potential for abuse. While the UN said it would be for international trade only, it would probably affect domestic trade as well. For example, “harmless registration” for all guns produced regardless if meant for domestic or international trade. All it takes is a quick look at history to see where firearm registration can take us.

Granted the Consitution should be the highest law, but we’ve already seen some officials ignore that… And yes, the Senate has the final say in treaties but given the chance, you don’t think someone might pull out an executive order?

Ignoring all that and if the Small Arms Treaty wouldn’t affect domestic trade, it certainly could be used for more gun control down the road.

Tim, then you’ll be glad to hear that the treaty talks died with no treaty finalized and sent out. Part of it was due to the UN’s own incompetence (heh heh, they shot themselves in the foot here), part of it due to efforts on our part in making the President blink here.

True, Alan Gottlieb says it isn’t dead, but he means it in the same way that the Clinton ban isn’t dead. He means we always need to be on the lookout for it. But as far as immediate danger goes, we’re out of the woods as far as the UN Small Arms Treaty goes.

Now is the time to shoot down that cyber security bill with it’s snuck-in mag cap ban. We’ve gotten these kinds of lame brain tricks defeated once they’ve been outed, and all we need to do is to continue to have the energy to simply rinse and repeat… as always (b/c these bozos thankfully never change their tactics and we’ve had plenty of time to read their playbooks).

Tim,

In response to your response of my comments about the UN Small Arms Treaty, I don’t disagree with some of what you said and I hope we won’t sign such a treaty but at the same time I think there is a lot of fear mongering. I also don’t think a president can do some of the things people think he can, by the stroke of a pen and an executive order.

My concern is that all the fear mongering results in shortages of ammo and firearms. There are a could of guns I have wanted for 6 months now and always the same…out of stock. People should relax a bit. I was not suggesting to ignore the UN treaty and if you’ve expressed your displeasure to your representatives then you’ve done your part.

The dam justice system in this country is out to lunch!

I’ve been a strong advocate for a federal death penalty for anyone killing a police officer. I hate to say it but these liberal states and liberal thinking over the years has put us all in a corner. The majority of people in this country think we can rehab scumbags with a long Criminal History.

Living in the USA with 50 states and 50 differnt laws for the same crime is just plain stupid but the skumbag criminals love it. I say give them a trial, no appeals, no BS lawyers and execute them, maybe then it may wake up the people in this country. This country has plenty of gun laws on the books and it still has not changed and will not change.

How many gun laws are enough? Mayor Bloomberg (NY) and Menino (Boston) are like Jack-In-the-Box every time a shooting takes place in their city. They rant like Jackson and Sharpton and don’t care about the rights of the average working citizen.

Why would anyone think gun laws will improve the situation.The Police departments are laying off LEO’s. We have a increase in street gangs from other countries, drug cartels from Mexico setting up shop from Texas to New York and a liberal justice system.

The police departments need to get the LEO’s the hell out of the crusiers and start walking a beat again. High crime areas in the town or city you live in should have additional LEO’s in crusiers for immediate back-up.

The city and towns YOU live in gets any amount of money to send Mary and Johnny to a multi-million dollar school but they can’t afford to put additional LEO’s in crusiers and on the street via foot or bicycle patrol.

The Town of Newbury, Mass is just about gone bankrupt trying to make ends meet and the people in the town won’t vote to increase the tax rate. Their police department has laid-off LEO”s and dispatchers all because of the voters.

@James- Heh heh the UN would shoot themselves in the foot eh? Thought it was unloaded… and yeah from what I understand this round of UN talks are over (thankfully).

@minerran- Yeah, I’ll agree our side might have played up the treaty more than it was. But hey, sometimes our side needs a good push in the right direction. So I don’t really mind them giving the UN treaty more attention than it needed. Better too much, than not enough.

Heh yeah the ammo shortages and gun shortages suck but at least it’s $$$ for our favorite companies and it’s selling. I have a few toys I’ve special ordered and it’s been almost a year now (actually almost two years but like a genius, I cancelled the order a year ago out of frustration only to reorder it again).

While we can call this one a win for our side, I don’t think the gun control battle will ever end (at least any time soon). So let’s stay in Condition Yellow.

Heard ANYONE among your neighbors – or coworkers – calling for antigun laws? Or only the elites on television?
I think we all know. The elites are the only people in America who see boutique social issues – gun control or abortion as unlimited right – as their priority; the ECONOMY is what the masses see as their priority!

Regarding Long Island Mike’s mention of Scalia.

The justice’s point seemed to be that there might be some limitation placed on what weapons a citizen may own/possess.

The really scary thing there is the incredible ignorance expressed by the supposedly smartest and most knowledgeable of our national leaders.

There are of course such limitations on ownership of weapons. Special licensing for automatic weapons, even automatic knives are limited in who may carry them, comes to mind.

Won’t justice Scalia be surprised when he learns that the BATF (or whatever the heck it’s called today) requires special licensing for possession of certain types of weapons.

Is everyone in D.C. a myopic ignoramus? Or is it something in the water there?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/scalia-guns-may-be-regulated-20120729

Mas, I keep seeing in the comments here and in other blogs and articles that he was ” covered head to toe in body armor “. The only source I read that I consider somewhat reliable discussed what he wad acquired prior to his foray into the criminal empowerment zone. No body armor was mentioned just one tactical vest. a far cry from body armor.
I think some moronic reporter saw a vest on him and not knowing what it was or checking or caring hyped it up and then it got legs of it’s own. This plus all the other BS isn’t doing any good for my blood pressure.
What hae you been able to find out?

Marc, one police source says he was armored head to foot, while another non-police source says the only armor he had was a PAST helmet. I don’t yet have the concrete details.

David from Canada, jump into it and don’t worry about the age. The great Ray Chapman wasn’t much younger than you when he won the World Championship, and I saw Ken Tapp win many a match in his sixties shooting against prime of life champions. The fella in Texas who just saved a cop’s life — shot the double murderer and would-be cop-killer at about 165 yards with a .357 Magnum revolver, I’m told — was no spring chicken, either.

Noah:

I think Justice Scalia has been misunderstood.

He is a strict constructionist and is merely be suggesting that there are SOME limits the states MAY enact which meet the strict scrutiny requirements demanded by Heller and MacDonald’s determination that the Second Amendment secures a “fundamental right”. As an example of what might be restricted ( my example, not his) would be that states have the right to license the concealed carry of handguns. The court has already ruled that “self-defense” is a fundamental right, and arms cannot be banned outright. I dont think Justice Scalia has morphed into an anti-gunner, as it would require abandnment of 150 years of Constitutional jurisprudencec, as well as ignoring the Federalist Papers and Justice Sory’s commntaries. Scalia also was obviously not commenting on how he would rule on a case, as such would be grossly improper ( Unless you are Justice Kagan, but I digress) and he has always been friendly to gun rights and the Second Amendment, because the Founding Fathers were. He gets some grace here, I think.

Other Friends:

The issue of “gun free” zones boils down to whether there are magical properties inherent in ” No Guns Allowed” signs.

Such signs only work on people who are inclined to obey the law , either from civic feeling or fear of the consequences of disobedience. A wanna-be mass murderer has no civic feeling, and since he is planning to commit multiple murder, an act for which the judicial or extra-judicial consequences are almost certain to be death , the threat of ” consequences ” for a ” gun free zone” violation is laughably weak. The whole idea is based on the power of “feelings” or “magick”…. take your pick. Either approach is absolutely irrational, and also, those magickal gun free zone signs dont seem to work very well, anyway.

This eems to becoming obvious to people wo never thought about it before – Now is the time to seize the initiative. Gun free zones are really” victim disarmament ” zones, and we should reer to them that way. We need to start legislative action in each of the several states to reduce or eliminate “gun free” zones. Suggested points:

1) Schools and college campuses should be opened for lawful concealed carriers.

2) Public buildings ( with a few exceptions protected by armed security) should be opened as well. Such public buildings that do maintain prohibitions on concealed carry should have “changing rooms” at the entrance, where law-abidng CWP/CHL’s can disarm and place their sidearm in a bus-station type locker while they are in the building.

3) Private owners, if they prohibit lawful concealed carry, should be statutorily placed on notice that by creating a ” gun free” zone, that the owner assumes full responsibility for safety and security of all patrons, as well as full tort liability for injury or death of any law-abiding patron at the hands of a criminal while on-site. As a corollary, a private owner who does NOT prohibit lawful concealed carry on site should be expressly fully shielded from any liability which results.

Now is the time – in every state, this is time to act. In New York, Illinois, California and Hawaii, I do not expect positive results, but in the “FREE” United States, this is something that can be won.

Sorry, Mas, if this has gone a little of-topic.

Regards
GKT